Watching David Lynch's Dune has always made the series seem wack to me

[Himu]

I want to read the books but that movie is so bad it has single handedly destroyed any interest I've had in them. I watched the movie as a kid with my dad and hated it. Watched it as an adult, still hate it. Is it as cheesy as the film portrays?

[Mr Gilhaney]

I listened to the audiobook cause i'm lazy

It's pretty good I thought, but it's quite some time ago now.

But now look at this and tell me you dont need that

https://twitter.com/Zabojnikk/status/1300475851981684738

[Steve Contra]

There's not a good version of Dune because Dune isn't good. At least the production design in Lynch's was great.

[Himu]

There's not a good version of Dune because Dune isn't good. At least the production design in Lynch's was great.

Why is it bad?

[Madrun Badrun]

Dune is really good in terms of plot, world-building, and writing (an example of third-person omniscient which is something most authors do not use).   There is a reason why so many people love it. 

[Steve Contra]

There's not a good version of Dune because Dune isn't good. At least the production design in Lynch's was great.

Why is it bad?

Did you get the sense in the movie that it's just a weird ahistorical pastiche of concepts and themes understood at their surface level wrapped up in a package that seems to be sci-fi but is just future fantasy? That's exactly the book except Kyle McLachlan isn't in it.

[Madrun Badrun]

None of those things are actual issues with the book (or at least issues that are unique to Dune and not all fantasy).  If you want nuance when it comes to Arab and Muslim concepts just read Biden's historic Presidential agenda(s).  I hear they are epic.     

[Human Snorenado]

The first book isn't awful but it goes downhill from there pretty quick.

Movie tried to cram too much into too little space, also the empire's elite storm troopers were wearing garbage bags, gtfo

Will watch the new movie cause I'm a slut for Denis Villeneuve, his movies are pretty af to look at if nothing else

[Himu]

There's not a good version of Dune because Dune isn't good. At least the production design in Lynch's was great.

Why is it bad?

Did you get the sense in the movie that it's just a weird ahistorical pastiche of concepts and themes understood at their surface level wrapped up in a package that seems to be sci-fi but is just future fantasy? That's exactly the book except Kyle McLachlan isn't in it.

So as I thought, it's basically more Star Wars than Star Trek?

[Steve Contra]

There's not a good version of Dune because Dune isn't good. At least the production design in Lynch's was great.

Why is it bad?

Did you get the sense in the movie that it's just a weird ahistorical pastiche of concepts and themes understood at their surface level wrapped up in a package that seems to be sci-fi but is just future fantasy? That's exactly the book except Kyle McLachlan isn't in it.

So as I thought, it's basically more Star Wars than Star Trek?

Definitely.

[Himu]

I like space opera so that's not inherently bad but is there, say, depth to the story and politics of it? Does it have much to say about the world or universe or is it just space fantasy shit like Star Wars?

[Madrun Badrun]

Starwars is basically a ripoff of Dune.

[Great Rumbler]

I love David Lynch's Dune. And I don't mean ironically.

[Himu]

Does the book talk about "the spice"? Like, why call it "the spice" and not by its name? It's so bad and cheesy.

It's like an american politician calling nukes "the arsenal". It's so dumb.

The intro with the narration is embarrassingly bad. David Lynch should be embarrassed by this shit.

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya should have called it 'Masala'.  How embarrassing. 

[Himu]

Please call it thai green curry and then we will talk.

[Trent Dole]

I want to read the books but that movie is so bad it has single handedly destroyed any interest I've had in them. I watched the movie as a kid with my dad and hated it. Watched it as an adult, still hate it. Is it as cheesy as the film portrays?

All the film adaptations of Dune are notoriously bad. The books are actually pretty good initially and steadily decline in quality. Should read like the first 3-4? I forget exactly when it goes to shit. Definitely don't bother with the books Frank's kid wrote lol.

[Tuckers Law]

 
I do not condone this badmouthing of the book.  I’ve made my peace with people not liking David Lynch’s Dune even if I myself think it’s decent, but the book is excellent, and I feel the first three sequel books are really good as well.  I even like Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse:Dune, although I’m not surprised that so many squares get weirded out by then.

Suffice to say: Dune is rad and has a shitload of depth, you should read the book and judge it for yourself.  If it helps: Dune is far more readable than Tolkien’s epic packed with fruity songs and ruminating.

P.S. Yes, the book also calls it melange.   

[Madrun Badrun]

"Melange"?  That's like an american politician calling under-water-boats "sub-marines". It's so pretentious.

Also while Dune is excellent, a bunch of fruity songs about the spice would have improved it.  No doubt. 

[Himu]

I do not condone this badmouthing of the book.  I’ve made my peace with people not liking David Lynch’s Dune even if I myself think it’s decent, but the book is excellent, and I feel the first three sequel books are really good as well.  I even like Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse:Dune, although I’m not surprised that so many squares get weirded out by then.

Suffice to say: Dune is rad and has a shitload of depth, you should read the book and judge it for yourself.  If it helps: Dune is far more readable than Tolkien’s epic packed with fruity songs and ruminating.

P.S. Yes, the book also calls it melange.   

I didn't badmouth the books as I haven't read them. Don't be offended.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Does the book talk about "the spice"? Like, why call it "the spice" and not by its name? It's so bad and cheesy.

It's like an american politician calling nukes "the arsenal". It's so dumb.

The intro with the narration is embarrassingly bad. David Lynch should be embarrassed by this shit.

A large portion of the dialog and narration in the movie is taken directly from the book iirc

[Tuckers Law]

I do not condone this badmouthing of the book.  I’ve made my peace with people not liking David Lynch’s Dune even if I myself think it’s decent, but the book is excellent, and I feel the first three sequel books are really good as well.  I even like Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse:Dune, although I’m not surprised that so many squares get weirded out by then.

Suffice to say: Dune is rad and has a shitload of depth, you should read the book and judge it for yourself.  If it helps: Dune is far more readable than Tolkien’s epic packed with fruity songs and ruminating.

P.S. Yes, the book also calls it melange.   

I didn't badmouth the books as I haven't read them. Don't be offended.

Not offended, i should’ve specified that was directed at Steve Contra.  My bad.

[naff]

yeah, the lynch film is whack. the books bear no resemblance imo. cleanse your palette with the doco "Jodorowsky's Dune" if you need to forget the gauche stylings of the lynch movie then read the books breh. i love the first, and imo, the first three are all a good read.

[Don Rumata]

I want to read the books but that movie is so bad it has single handedly destroyed any interest I've had in them. I watched the movie as a kid with my dad and hated it. Watched it as an adult, still hate it. Is it as cheesy as the film portrays?

Is the sci-fi series about the space warriors riding giant worms cheesy?

There's not a good version of Dune because Dune isn't good. At least the production design in Lynch's was great.

Certainly better than whatever the fuck Villeneuve seems to be doing, with its costumes straigh out of a fanfilm. 
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because BR2049 was pretty great though.

[Madrun Badrun]

space nobles, please.  It's like you were trying to make it sound stupid.

[Don Rumata]

space nobles, please.  It's like you were trying to make it sound stupid.

I was underlining how a space opera is inherently "cheesy".

[Himu]

space nobles, please.  It's like you were trying to make it sound stupid.

I was underlining how a space opera is inherently "cheesy".

Not inherently.

LOGH isn't cheesy.

[Don Rumata]

space nobles, please.  It's like you were trying to make it sound stupid.

I was underlining how a space opera is inherently "cheesy".

Not inherently.

LOGH isn't cheesy.

That Legend of the Galactic Heroes? I've started this a couple of days ago incidentally, and it seems fairly cheesy to me so far.

[Himu]

space nobles, please.  It's like you were trying to make it sound stupid.

I was underlining how a space opera is inherently "cheesy".

Not inherently.

LOGH isn't cheesy.

That Legend of the Galactic Heroes? I've started this a couple of days ago incidentally, and it seems fairly cheesy to me so far.

[Don Rumata]

Cheesy doesn't mean bad tho. 

[Madrun Badrun]

space nobles, please.  It's like you were trying to make it sound stupid.

I was underlining how a space opera is inherently "cheesy".

No, I'm underlining how a space opera is inherently "cheesy".

[Trurl]

I liked Dune a lot in highschool.  People hate the sequels but the scene with an honored matres having sex with a ghola in Heretics of Dune was pretty hot as a teenager without internet porn.

[ToxicAdam]

I read Dune for the first time in seventh grade, so it has an indelible place in my mind.

It really shook me on how to view religion at an age where those kinds of things didn’t cross my mind. It was just the right blend of “hero’s journey”, technology vs primivitism, and modern day geopolitical allusions to properly blow my mind.

For that reason, I always preferred the tv miniseries, as it properly conveys some of those themes found in the book that got lost in the movie. It’s flawed, of course, with the Xena-grade special effects and spotty acting, but the structure of the storytelling is great.

 Dune (the book) has its own issues on how it’s all front loaded with content and exposition and then it really doesn’t start to “hum” until they get to Arrakis. Makes it hard for a director to find a proper balance if they are going to be slavish to the source.

[Boredfrom]

I like space opera so that's not inherently bad but is there, say, depth to the story and politics of it? Does it have much to say about the world or universe or is it just space fantasy shit like Star Wars?

If anything, thats why is kind difficult to get into at the beginning. The book is pretty good in world building but politics are pretty much introduced right away to the point of getting into until they get to Arrakis. 

[chronovore]

yeah, the lynch film is whack. the books bear no resemblance imo. cleanse your palette with the doco "Jodorowsky's Dune" if you need to forget the gauche stylings of the lynch movie then read the books breh. i love the first, and imo, the first three are all a good read.

Jodorowski assembled a legendary group of creators, and the work and relationships forged during preproduction sent ripples through all of SF movie production. A tremendously influential effort.

But his Dune would’ve sucked, too.

[thisismyusername]

There's not a good version of Dune because Dune isn't good. At least the production design in Lynch's was great.

Why is it bad?

Did you get the sense in the movie that it's just a weird ahistorical pastiche of concepts and themes understood at their surface level wrapped up in a package that seems to be sci-fi but is just future fantasy? That's exactly the book except Kyle McLachlan isn't in it.

So as I thought, it's basically more Star Wars than Star Trek?

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I have no dog in this fight, I just wanted to post the meme because of this.

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[HardcoreRetro]

I haven't seen the movie, but the books are nothing like Star Wars. It's closer to A Song of Ice and Fire.

Paul isn't even a hero. He's the fruit of a millenia-spanning eugenics program. The only reason he becomes the "hero" is due to implanted mythology by the faction his mother is part of.

[ToxicAdam]

Paul would've been a lot more interesting of a character if he was an active anti-hero the entire time. A deliberate fraud that uses his situation to exact his revenge. It would've made his plight (after succeeding) even more tragic and interesting. Instead, he feels like a a piece of balsa wood that floats on the currents of fate. It's not until the sequel that his character becomes more interesting, but it's too brief. Leto II (his son) was always a better main character, because he carries the inner conflict with him the entire way.


It will be interesting to see if Denis is able to layer in those themes found in the second book in the back-end of this movie. It's a great wrinkle that gives the story more nuance then your typical hero's journey conclusion. But maybe he saves that meat on the bone for a sequel.

[Tuckers Law]

I agree that it added depth and nuance, and I hope he does.  I felt Dune Messiah really did a a great job with Paul’s story after the events in Dune, and was one of the first books I read where it was stressed how important the momentum of an event could be, examining the repercussions of what at first seemed a heroic deed.

[Human Snorenado]

[ToxicAdam]

Looks good, but I wished the Harkonnens looked a bit more menacing. They needed a splash of red somewhere in their costumes to really make them pop.

Also, it's crazy how much charisma Zendaya has. She just leaps off the screen at you. Perfectly cast.
 

[ToxicAdam]

Saw a funny Dune synopsis today:

Rich kid moves into a new neighborhood and falls into the wrong crowd, does drugs, claims to see the future, billions die.

[chronovore]

It has Villaneuve’s signature direction, but I’m still surprised just how much the visuals look like an updated version of David Lynch’s film.

[naff]

looks really fucking good to me. trailer covers a lot quick shots during key story beats though, im cool with that and loved to see it, but maybe avoid if you're the sensitive to spoiler type.

[Boredfrom]

Eh, i thing the only big spoiler is that

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Arrakis is a trap to exterminate the House of Atreides

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but I remember the book spoiling it pretty early on. Same with box and “fear is the mind killer”. Everything else is out of context stuff that doesn’t mean a lot unless you know what actually is.

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The only other thing they alude is about the Kwisatz Haderach but without context is just sounds like typical “chosen one” stuff.

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Great trailer, btw.

[Tuckers Law]

That trailer got me all hot and bothered.  I grinned at the cheeky nod to its legacy with Eclipse playing in the background.

[Snoopycat_]

The trailer really needed Mark Hamill

[Human Snorenado]

The trailer really needed Mark Hamill

[Snoopycat_]

I honestly expected to see a hooded character standing on some mountain top with his back to the camera, then he'd turn round and it'd be Mark Hamill. Very disappointed.

[recursivelyenumerable]

https://twitter.com/rechelon/status/1303787142104059904

[ToxicAdam]

Imagine adults finally having the power and freedom to recreate stories they loved as a teenager. The nerve of those assholes. Why aren’t they catering to me?

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/rechelon/status/1303787142104059904

Millenial dweebs having no idea what it was like to have nothing but Matlock and Murder She Wrote on TV, and being excited that ANY SF was on TV at all.

Seriously, get fucked.

[HardcoreRetro]

David Brin even wrote expanded universe Foundation books. He must be seething at that adaptation.

[Rahxephon91]

Maybe not politically correct, but I'm tired of my generation thinking something diverse is automatically good.

[Beezy]

Maybe not politically correct, but I'm tired of my generation thinking something diverse is automatically good.

Give some examples of this.

[Rahxephon91]

I'm sorry, that was a very irrational, uninformed, and stupid comment from me.

[VomKriege]

I'm sorry, that was a very irrational, uninformed, and stupid comment from me.

And we never do these here.
Bless up.

[Madrun Badrun]

TBH my 82-year post history here is nothing but sincere well-developed progressive takes designed to uplift marginalized groups like Lynch Dune fans.

[nudemacusers]

Maybe not politically correct, but I'm tired of my generation thinking something diverse is automatically good.

Give some examples of this.

professional wrestling 

[Human Snorenado]

Fortunately, WITH diversity we can see an angle where every single black wrassler on RAW is booked in an angle where they're fighting each other