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Happy Public Domain Day! (Jan 1st Every Year)
« on: December 31, 2020, 03:25:20 PM »
Technically it's tomorrow (making today Public Domain Eve I guess), but I still wanted to get a jump on it since it's so exciting. :rejoice

https://twitter.com/Zernerlaw/status/1344732922016714752



Why is this happening now when it hasn't happened in like 40 years?

Basically, Disney/RIAA/MPAA/Author's Guild/etc. saw how people reacted to SOPA and gave up.



Ars Technica: Mickey Mouse will be public domain soon—here’s what that means

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A year ago, Ars Technica broke the news that three of the nation's most powerful rights holder groups in the country, the Motion Picture Association of America, the Recording Industry Association of America, and the Authors Guild, were not even going to try to pass legislation extending copyrights.

"It's not something we are pursuing," an RIAA spokesman told me.

The reason was simple, Grimmelmann argues: they knew they weren't going to win.

"There's now a well-organized, grassroots lobby against copyright expansion," Grimmelmann tells Ars. "There are large business interests now on the anti-expansion side. Also a wide popular movement that they can tie it into."
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Re: Happy Public Domain Day 2021!
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2020, 04:05:15 PM »
Public domain Batman :batman

Public domain Goofy :cody

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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2020, 04:15:25 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2020, 05:16:23 PM »
lol @ Thinking Disney won't pull the rug from under you in the eleventh hour.

Bitch, they own 90% of entertainment IP's now. Mickey won't public if they can get the heat off them.

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Re: Happy Public Domain Day 2021!
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2020, 05:33:28 PM »
lol @ Thinking Disney won't pull the rug from under you in the eleventh hour.

Bitch, they own 90% of entertainment IP's now. Mickey won't public if they can get the heat off them.

Mickey is, as Disney's logo, protected overall by trademark law (separate from copyright law), and further iterations of Mickey are still under copyright by Disney (for instance, him wearing gloves or his shorts being red, etc.)

I wouldn't be so sure. They have less than three years on the clock, though I suppose the Corporatecrats being in power isn't a great sign. :trumps They already shoved some unrelated anti-piracy streaming BS into the COVID relief package. :biden

Still, for now I'll operate under the assumption Disney won't be trying shit.


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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2021, 12:53:33 AM »
lol @ Thinking Disney won't pull the rug from under you in the eleventh hour.

Bitch, they own 90% of entertainment IP's now. Mickey won't public if they can get the heat off them.

Mickey is, as Disney's logo, protected overall by trademark law (separate from copyright law), and further iterations of Mickey are still under copyright by Disney (for instance, him wearing gloves or his shorts being red, etc.)

I wouldn't be so sure. They have less than three years on the clock, though I suppose the Corporatecrats being in power isn't a great sign. :trumps They already shoved some unrelated anti-piracy streaming BS into the COVID relief package. :biden

Still, for now I'll operate under the assumption Disney won't be trying shit.

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It's so weird watching Head, who played Giles, play such a jerkface in Ted Lasso.

I'm pretty sure Disney and all didn't give up because it didn't look winnable. They might have given up if they thought it would tarnish their brand past credibility, which it may have. More likely they have some other plan to either keep it protected, or more likely figured out that the kind of stuff they're protecting with this massive lobbying effort has a bad ROI.

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Re: Happy Public Domain Day 2021!
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2021, 02:25:44 AM »
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Re: Happy Public Domain Day 2021!
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2021, 05:06:51 AM »
King Kong is already in the public domain, its copyright was never renewed. It's the specific movie version elements that are not. (Plus there are like a billion trademarks on it.)

I remember this because of the Nintendo Donkey Kong lawsuit. :rollsafe

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Re: Happy Public Domain Day! (Jan 1st Every Year)
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2022, 10:26:28 AM »
https://www.ksl.com/article/50320590/winnie-the-pooh-and-more-22-notable-creative-pieces-head-to-public-domain-in-2022

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The 2022 list is led by the A.A. Milne children's classic "Winnie the Pooh" and Ernest Hemingway's first novel, "The Sun Also Rises." Hemingway's first collection of short stories, "In Our Time," entered the public domain last year.

Another children's classic character, Felix Salten's "Bambi," as well as works by Langston Hughes, Dorothy Parker and William Faulkner are also entering the public domain.

But there are some film gems entering this year, including Buster Keaton's "Battling Butler" and "The Son of the Sheik," the final film of early film star Rudolph Valentino before his sudden death at the age of 31.

All sound recordings published before 1923 are also heading to the public domain. That's the result of interesting public domain rules,according to Jennifer Jenkins, the director of Duke University's Center for the Study of the Public Domain.

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Re: Happy Public Domain Day! (Jan 1st Every Year)
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2022, 10:34:21 AM »
Less than 2 years left for Mickey Mouse 👀

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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2022, 10:39:21 AM »
Less than 2 years left for Mickey Mouse 👀

"oh it's only steamboat willie, and only that particular incarnation of him, the implementation of his world in kingdom hearts 2 represents a refresh of the IP"
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2022, 11:26:09 AM »
I'm really looking forward to Universal's Frankenstein being public domain in 5 years. The square "green" (despite B&W) head is basically key to the character design these days.

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2022, 11:27:32 AM »
Less than 2 years left for Mickey Mouse 👀

"oh it's only steamboat willie, and only that particular incarnation of him, the implementation of his world in kingdom hearts 2 represents a refresh of the IP"

Part of me is looking forward to the absolute crazy nonsense Disney lawyers and PR people will say in the lead-up to it happening.

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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2022, 11:30:35 AM »
Damn still 15 years until MGM's Wizard of Oz is public domain... Gotta sub out Ruby Slippers with Silver until then. (Along with a lot of other film-specific elements.)

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2022, 12:11:44 PM »
I wonder if there's any remote recourse of fixing the damage Disney did to public domain?

like imagine if in 5 years the government is like "ok nah, this is ridiculous, we're accelerating it to 1950 this year"
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2022, 12:24:00 PM »
I wonder if there's any remote recourse of fixing the damage Disney did to public domain?

like imagine if in 5 years the government is like "ok nah, this is ridiculous, we're accelerating it to 1950 this year"

Undoing the copyright extensions for existing works is almost definitely a nonstarter.

If there's enough political momentum, we might see the length of term reduced for newer works... but I can already imagine some of the whining there. "But [rival creative] gets to keep their rights for 95+ years! My film missed the cutoff by a day and now I have only have rights for 70 years!"

Maybe a bill with some kind of 10-20 year-long "step-down" each year could work, but trying to get Congress to see anything past the current term is hard enough even for real problems like climate change.

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2022, 12:26:45 PM »
I will say, relevant works entering the public domain is the only solution I see to the IP miasma/media conglomerate hell we're speeding towards.

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2022, 12:53:39 PM »
Damn still 15 years until MGM's Wizard of Oz is public domain... Gotta sub out Ruby Slippers with Silver until then. (Along with a lot of other film-specific elements.)

Like the Lollypop Guild hanging themselves in the backgrounds of shots.
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2022, 11:27:51 PM »
It's amazing what a twisted mockery IP law has become. Copyright and Patent law are originally in place to ensure the individual creators' rights. Currently copyright law's largest activity set is corporate IP holders. Patents are largely a type of esoteric currency that is traded/shared or strategically absorbed amongst corporate entities, or abused by "submarine patent" purchasers who have no creativity, and simply sue people who they perceive to be infringing on their purchased patents.

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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2022, 03:56:51 PM »
I wonder if there's any remote recourse of fixing the damage Disney did to public domain?

like imagine if in 5 years the government is like "ok nah, this is ridiculous, we're accelerating it to 1950 this year"

Hollywood Reporter: Disney Copyrights Targeted in Bill Proposed by Sen. Josh Hawley

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Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) on Tuesday proposed legislation that limits copyright protection to 56 years. According to the Copyright Clause Restoration Act of 2022, the law would retroactively apply to existing copyrights.

The winds of change are blowing.



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But even if Disney’s copyright for Steamboat Willie expires, only the original design of Mickey Mouse will hit the public domain. There have been several iterations of the character over the past century. The copyright for sorcerer Mickey, for example, which appeared in the 1940 movie Fantasia, expires in 2036.

Trademarks, which cover words and symbols used to identify products, may also serve to protect Disney’s business interests in controlling the commercial use of its characters.
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2022, 05:22:14 PM »
but i guess anyone can make their own character design and name it mickey mouse, sort of like what marvel currently is doing to the norse pantheon? or the games being released that are set within the cthulhu mythos?

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2022, 08:47:27 PM »
but i guess anyone can make their own character design and name it mickey mouse, sort of like what marvel currently is doing to the norse pantheon? or the games being released that are set within the cthulhu mythos?

No, the text string "Mickey Mouse" is copyright-protected. You could make a picture of a rat, label it "Mickey Mouse," and publish it as parody (which is exempt) but you could not call it Mickey Mouse as your own brand, due to the copyright. Similarly, most versions of Mickey Mouse are still covered, and not usable. Mickey Mouse is still Disney's character, but the now Public Domain visual of the character can be represented in other works, with a number of constraints.

The Norse pantheon cannot be copyrighted, but Thor's MCU costumes can.

Everything Lovecraft wrote is Public Domain since 2008 in the EU. It's more complex in the USA, but everything prior to 1923 is in the Public Domain, and post-1923 works are in a complex state for a number of reasons. Seems like it should have all entered in 2018...?

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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2022, 09:30:15 PM »
If the Copyright Act of 1976 and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act get repealed (which is what Hawley's bill effectively does), Friday the 13th Part III (where Jason gets his mask) will enter public domain in just 16 years... :rejoice

That said, I doubt the "Copyright Clause Restoration Act of 2022" will make it out of committee because he and the cosigners seem like dumbasses, but it's the start of a different way of approaching copyright which I endorse... Hopefully future sessions launch more bipartisan attacks against Disney. :)

Don't disappoint me, Corporatecrats...

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Re: Happy Public Domain Day! (Jan 1st Every Year)
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2022, 09:32:38 PM »
If the Copyright Acts of 1976 and 1998 get repealed (which is what Hawley's bill effectively does), Friday the 13th Part III (where Jason gets his mask) will enter public domain in just 16 years... :rejoice
No, it won't. The bill (which won't even be brought up in committee because it's just for attention for a presidential campaign) doesn't do anything retroactively because that would be unconstitutional. We're never escaping this hell, babe.

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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2022, 09:35:09 PM »
If the Copyright Acts of 1976 and 1998 get repealed (which is what Hawley's bill effectively does), Friday the 13th Part III (where Jason gets his mask) will enter public domain in just 16 years... :rejoice
No, it won't. The bill (which won't even be brought up in committee because it's just for attention for a presidential campaign) doesn't do anything retroactively because that would be unconstitutional. We're never escaping this hell, babe.

Let's not rule out a 28th Amendment, compadré. 8)

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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2022, 12:33:50 PM »
Look what you've done Tasty:
https://twitter.com/ign/status/1529613540704780289

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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2022, 07:17:51 PM »
Six Public Domain Horror Movies That You Can Watch For Free Right Now!

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6. Silent Night, Bloody Night (1972)

5. Little Shop of Horrors (1960)

4. Plan 9 From Outer Space (1959)

3. Carnival of Souls (1962)

2. The Last Man on Earth (1964)

1. Night of the Living Dead (1968)


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Re: Happy Public Domain Day! (Jan 1st Every Year)
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2022, 08:51:10 PM »
it's scary seeing the internet archive being sued by pissy book publishers for behaving exactly as a library does

protections like fair use, section 230 and the first amendment feel like the only thing holding back a lot of regressive garbage that only benefits big corpos

I'm really not one of those crazies who worships muh freedums but every time an attempt at further restriction crops up, it always feels self-evident and obvious which side to support

feels like it's always a very narrow victory that protects sharing and backhands the corporations

piracy is everywhere and easy as hell and yet every media publisher keeps making money hand over fist so what's wrong with the current state of affairs
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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2022, 08:54:47 PM »
Never been on board with the "buying is hard so just pirate" mentality myself. But I'm the only weird non-pirate on this site I think so whatever, lol. I was different in high school but things changed after I got a job and started screenwriting on the side.

Also, you could always just... choose to not consoom... :doge

That said, you should definitely smash the fuck out of DRM whenever you come across it. Your content and devices should be your own, and it sucks jailbreaking/etc. is a felony atm.

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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2022, 09:02:39 PM »
it's scary seeing the internet archive being sued by pissy book publishers for behaving exactly as a library does

protections like fair use, section 230 and the first amendment feel like the only thing holding back a lot of regressive garbage that only benefits big corpos

I'm really not one of those crazies who worships muh freedums but every time an attempt at further restriction crops up, it always feels self-evident and obvious which side to support

feels like it's always a very narrow victory that protects sharing and backhands the corporations

I don't know if this is defeatist or optimistic but I'm content with things just not getting worse. A new Sonny Bono Act would probably make me give up on caring about all this completely. The last big heart attack was SOPA and it felt like that came so fricking close...

If copyright law just doesn't get worse, we'll have new works to look forward to every January 1st. And each year that passes they'll get more and more relevant, which excites me a lot. I could live to see Star Wars enter the public domain, that's pretty damn cool and something I kinda assumed was an impossibility as a kid.

I mean I'd be 80, but still. Clint Eastwood's still making flicks.


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Re: Happy Public Domain Day! (Jan 1st Every Year)
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2022, 09:20:11 PM »
Never been on board with the "buying is hard so just pirate" mentality myself. But I'm the only weird non-pirate on this site I think so whatever, lol. I was different in high school but things changed after I got a job and started screenwriting on the side.

Also, you could always just... choose to not consoom... :doge

That said, you should definitely smash the fuck out of DRM whenever you come across it. Your content and devices should be your own, and it sucks jailbreaking/etc. is a felony atm.

I hardly pirate anything, I just mean that lots of people do and it's very easy, and I don't know if there's strong evidence that it's severely hurt any business

for most pirates, if the option wasn't available, they would just shrug and go without that content -- you can't prove they would've bought it otherwise

companies trying to clamp down on it are always just searching for even more piles of money
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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2022, 09:21:47 PM »
20 Years Of Copyright Wars: Author and activist Cory Doctorow reflects on the fight over who owns what in a digital world
I like that people like Cory Doctorow are out there fighting this sort of fight for us with such considered thought and a distinct lack of hysteria.
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« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2022, 01:33:07 AM »
20 Years Of Copyright Wars: Author and activist Cory Doctorow reflects on the fight over who owns what in a digital world
I like that people like Cory Doctorow are out there fighting this sort of fight for us with such considered thought and a distinct lack of hysteria.

He makes me wanna be more like him.

https://archive.org/donate
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« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2022, 04:59:03 PM »
20 Years Of Copyright Wars: Author and activist Cory Doctorow reflects on the fight over who owns what in a digital world
I like that people like Cory Doctorow are out there fighting this sort of fight for us with such considered thought and a distinct lack of hysteria.

Can't tell if serious or not. CD is well-intentioned and reasonably logical, but does lean hard into This Is the Only Way to Think About This Stuff. However he rarely adopts misrepresentation like, say, Michael Moore on the left or... the near entirety of conservative media on the right.


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Re: Happy Public Domain Day! (Jan 1st Every Year)
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2022, 10:06:02 PM »
https://archive.org/donate
https://eff.org/donate
https://donate.wikimedia.org

Just tossed $10 to each of these guys. Y'all should too. :)
EFF is my Humble Bundle charity, I always change the presets to direct less to IGN and more to them and I've done some work for them. I don't always agree with them completely but their points per possession are very high.

I always forget about the Archive until someone's trying to grind them to dust again.

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« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2022, 11:19:22 PM »
Too many people forget about archive.org. :( The entire world would be far worse off if it ever went offline, and I don't know if it could ever be fully replaced as it exists today.

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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2022, 01:26:59 AM »
Too many people forget about archive.org. :( The entire world would be far worse off if it ever went offline, and I don't know if it could ever be fully replaced as it exists today.

There's a short talk by one of the main infrastructure guys at the Internet Archive who shares some behind the scenes of their servers, storage capacities and upgrades, laying new internet cable, which was interesting. First 11 minutes are the talk an the rest questions.


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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2022, 04:56:31 PM »
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2022, 12:47:53 PM »
Too many people forget about archive.org. :( The entire world would be far worse off if it ever went offline, and I don't know if it could ever be fully replaced as it exists today.

I'm downloading the internet to my 256mb drive

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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2022, 08:54:33 PM »
Duke Law: January 1, 2023 is Public Domain Day - Works from 1927 are open to all!

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On January 1, 2023, copyrighted works from 1927 will enter the US public domain. They will be free for all to copy, share, and build upon. These include Virginia Woolf’s To The Lighthouse and the final Sherlock Holmes stories by Arthur Conan Doyle, the German science-fiction film Metropolis and Alfred Hitchcock’s first thriller, compositions by Louis Armstrong and Fats Waller, and a novelty song about ice cream.

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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2022, 11:34:52 PM »
Metropolis being public domain :hyper
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« Reply #47 on: December 21, 2022, 01:38:59 PM »
Any good public domain porn?
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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2023, 08:03:14 PM »
Less than 2 years left for Mickey Mouse 👀

364 days to go 👀

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« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2023, 08:07:36 PM »
PUCK: The Copyright Death (and Rebirth) of Mickey Mouse

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In fact, if I had to wager on who might try to push the limits of copyright terms (currently, it’s 95 years for corporate authorship, 70 years after the death of the author for individual works, plus some further wrinkles on the clock), I’d look at Wall Street instead. Private equity firms including Blackstone, KKR, and Apollo Global just spent billions of dollars buying half-century-old song catalogs, including Genesis for $300 million and Neil Young for $150 million. A couple decades from now, in all probability, people will still be listening to The Beatles and Bob Dylan, so it’s conceivable that someone on Wall Street makes a play—sooner or later—to tap that royalty drip a bit longer. That would be one way to up a return on investment.

We must always remain vigilant.

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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2023, 08:08:33 PM »
NYT: Mickey’s Copyright Adventure - Early Disney Creation Will Soon Be Public Property

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The version of the iconic character from “Steamboat Willie” will enter the public domain in 2024. But those trying to take advantage could end up in a legal mousetrap.

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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2023, 09:02:44 PM »
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That means early versions of Popeye, King Kong, Donald Duck, Flash Gordon, Porky Pig and Superman will enter the public domain at various points over the next decade.

:clap

We're getting to the good stuff now, boys. :whew

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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2023, 10:52:29 PM »
I could be talking out my ass but I remember something about the owners of sherlock holmes successfully meddling in projects that showed holmes with a softer, more sentimental side, arguing that those interpretations of his character didn't show up until later works which weren't public domain yet

so what we'll end up with is you can portray a naughty/carefree steamboat willie, but if you show a thoughtful or friendly one, then you're infringing on the mickey that came later
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Re: Happy Public Domain Day! (Jan 1st Every Year)
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2023, 12:47:00 AM »
So my upcoming Mickey porno is safe?
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