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Spieler1

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Pokemon Arceus
« on: August 18, 2021, 11:20:38 AM »

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Pissy F Benny

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Re: Pokemon Arceus
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2021, 11:30:03 AM »
more like pokemon arse-eus :corona_rodney

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2021, 11:35:38 AM »
You just have to kill the pokemon to capture them now. Why? Was it somehow too hard?  :lol

Edit: I'm not really a fan of the dodge roll/pokemon attacking the player, either. I understand why they're giving you more things to do outside of battle (no random encounters means less time spent in combat) but it all comes off as solutions in search of a problem to me.
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Pissy F Benny

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Re: Pokemon Arceus
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2021, 12:00:00 PM »
are gamefreak hilariously inept, or does nintendo still give them handheld level budgets for pokemon games? :thinking

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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2021, 12:10:55 PM »
I love how shitty this game looks

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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2021, 12:26:18 PM »


 :doge
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2021, 12:36:49 PM »


 :exxy
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2021, 12:41:10 PM »


 :doge

i like how they've gone for a style and fucked it up completely :girlaff

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2021, 12:52:36 PM »

HardcoreRetro

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2021, 12:57:40 PM »
I have to say that there's something extremely funny about the sweeping landscape shots with the game looking this disgustingly bad.

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Re: Pokemon Arceus
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2021, 01:13:10 PM »
Pokémon cock gobblers and Nintoddlers will still find ways to defend why it looks, performs, and plays like shit as if Gamefreak is some two man indie dev, and not the developer of one the most profitable media properties on the planet  :miyamoto
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2021, 01:25:38 PM »
No, I don't think I will.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2021, 01:58:24 PM »
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Spieler1

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2021, 02:03:52 PM »
btfo with that dumb freak JoeSerebi.  :lol  Miyamoto could stab his family and he'd try his hardest to defend him for it. Or blame the makers of non-Nintendo products.

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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2021, 02:12:16 PM »
https://twitter.com/mrdinogolfer/status/1428045690115170311

The keyword is artistic, spread the word bois, play it tactical :success
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2021, 02:29:16 PM »
is sonichu in this btw? :hmm

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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2021, 04:54:42 PM »
Some of those landscape shots look like they could be slightly touched up asset flips.

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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2021, 05:36:17 PM »
Stock assets are usually of a higher quality.

It looks like they found a map on a hard drive for a cancelled Pilotwings game in the dumpster and then sprinkled their Pokemon on it.
The shading and lighting looks as if the game was not meant to be seen from those angles.
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2021, 09:13:54 PM »
looks like im emulating a ps2 game and the textures haven't loaded properly
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2021, 10:35:58 PM »
It just looks so bland. It's not even a matter of tech.

Ok you can't match even say the PS4. Well, why do your open environments look so copy and paste?  They look like low rent mmo environments that just go for big environments with no personality or character. The art direction lacks any character or personality. Those trees for chirst sake. Xenoblade X looks better on the Wii U. Go for a complete cel-shaded look then. Do something.


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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2021, 12:20:26 PM »
They really don't wanna use cel shading for the main series for some reason, although Arceus is kinda a half-step in that direction. I agree though. If these games were just Dragon Quest tier that'd be absolutely amazing.

Arceus would have been cool as a console game back in 2006 or something. "The Pokemon game we've always wanted." Today it's hard to care much personally.

Not getting Arceus, but I'm probably getting Shining Pearl. It looks even more pukey but at least the gameplay is all solid Gen 4 stuff before things got messy with Mega Evos and other putrid modern bullshit.

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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2021, 04:49:40 PM »
are gamefreak hilariously inept, or does nintendo still give them handheld level budgets for pokemon games? :thinking

Probably both in a way (the studio refuses to expand and they are stuck in HD curse that most of Japanese developers just free themselves).

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HardcoreRetro

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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2021, 09:59:32 AM »
If it isn't even a big open world, why's it look like absolute dogshit?

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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2021, 10:00:20 AM »
:miyamoto

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2021, 02:14:55 PM »
Probably both in a way (the studio refuses to expand and they are stuck in HD curse that most of Japanese developers just free themselves).
... this is exactly what is happening. GameFreak is going through the same growing pains as Square "HD towns are hard" Enix and the dark years of Capcom. Nowadays, most teams bring in outside help to ease this transition but not GF because they're a special little snowflake with a small, plucky team that doesn't have time for animations or too many new gameplay improvements because time and money (pls ignore that Pokemon is the biggest IP in teh world worth billions annually k thx)


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Re: Pokemon Arceus
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2021, 03:08:11 AM »
If it isn't even a big open world, why's it look like absolute dogshit?

Because Nintendo knows that they can pump out any garbage, as long as it has "Mario" "Zelda" "Pokemon" and the other usual suspects in the title, Nintards will gobble it up and happily pay for it.

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2021, 04:36:38 AM »
If it isn't even a big open world, why's it look like absolute dogshit?

Because Nintendo knows that they can pump out any garbage, as long as it has "Mario" "Zelda" "Pokemon" and the other usual suspects in the title, Nintards will gobble it up and happily pay for it.


if I had to guess Nintendo knows that it shit and it's a running joke in the company how long can they keep Pokémon looking terrible and still sell it.

either that or everyone just laughs at this team for being terrible at visuals.

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Re: Pokemon Arceus
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2021, 07:18:34 AM »
In defence of pokemon not redoing all their assets for every new generation, there's like... 500+ fucking pokeymans now, and not a huge amount of animation rigging you can share between them which is why the battle system can't show - for example - 500 variants of a "tackle" move to accomodate the 500 different ways a pokemon can perform that move, and the 500 different ways the receiving pokemon can take it, which is why there's a more generic VFX anim for each of the... probably another 500 fucking possible moves available.

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« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2021, 11:05:32 AM »
In defence of pokemon not redoing all their assets for every new generation, there's like... 500+ fucking pokeymans now, and not a huge amount of animation rigging you can share between them which is why the battle system can't show - for example - 500 variants of a "tackle" move to accomodate the 500 different ways a pokemon can perform that move, and the 500 different ways the receiving pokemon can take it, which is why there's a more generic VFX anim for each of the... probably another 500 fucking possible moves available.

That still comes down to the laziness and greed that's at the center of the series. GF could've expanded and made real sequels like this game 20 years ago. Instead, they remade the same game 20 something times, not daring to change a single thing, except to expand the roster. Repeating the same formula that seemingly works for every generation of children to a tee, only changing out the monster palette. This clearly wasn't going to work over decades, because at some point your latest repeat of Blue/Red is gonna need five thousand creatures animated. Series like SMT, Digimon, etc. don't have that problem. Because they didn't rest on their laurels and came up with new gameplay twists, stories, settings, where you can mostly keep your old guard of creatures and no one cares.
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GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Pokemon Arceus
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2021, 11:20:02 AM »
Most other series that just throw new mobs into the mix aren't highly multiplayer oriented though, so don't really need to give a shit about things like power creep or updating older entry enemies to maintain competitive relevance.

This is also one of the reasons Pokemon has stuck around as a brand where other imitators haven't. Like, a pokemon game might have a babbys first jrpg storyline to get through, but thats not really the gameplay hook, and fucking around with that doesn't really impact anything else.
Pokemons gameplay pillars are:
  • Collect (literally the series tagline)
  • Battle (the really quite complex underpinning strategic layer)

Its not laziness to not want to fuck with those core gameplay pillars any more than it is to not give Mario a gun, or make Mario Kart use more realistic vehicle physics and get rid of item boxes.
If you want a platformy third person shooter, you want ratchet and clank or Jak and Daxter, not Mario. If you want more realistic vehicle physics and a heavier reliance on pure driving skills, you want a Forza or a GT rather than a Mario Kart.

People who compare things like SMT or Digimon to Pokemon don't really want Pokemon, and that's fine. But the 'open world' Arceus has looks a lot like the 'open world' area that Sword and Shield have, and that whole area is fucking shit.

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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2021, 11:46:38 AM »
I can tell you everything that's gonna happen in a new Pokemon edition's 30 hour campaign from start to finish. Except what kind of ugly the new creatures will look like. That's not keeping pillars intact, that's being complacent and lazy, because they know that there's no need for ambition. They struck gold once and then repeated the exact same process with the least amount of effort possible for max profit. I can tell you that Mario won't have a gun in his next 3D game, but I can't predict you much else. If you played one Pokemon edition, you played every one - except other editions might have different visuals from the very bottom of each generation's graphical standards. What other successful multiplayer IP looks this patheticly shit? Not to mention that there's more development challenges than just animating creatures, which other successful games pull off, while GF does nothing well.

If Pokemon was Mario, it would exclusively be New Super Mario Bros., i.e. a sub-series consisting of near identical low effort map packs because of the original iteration's success, which is also rightfully lambasted by anyone who expects certain standards for full priced games from AAA IPs.
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Re: Pokemon Arceus
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2021, 12:34:19 PM »
Hearthstone looks like shit compared to FFXV
League Of Legends looks like shit compared to Control
MtG:O looks like shit compared to The Last Of Us 2
Counter Strike looks like shit compared to Cyberpunk 2077

Its actually pretty common for specifically multiplayer-focussed titles to not spunk all their development wad on looking good :idont

Every pokemon 'gen' has very specific things that delineate it as part of that 'gen' - its outright false to say you wouldn't know the difference, even if it was a double blind test being done in like, a fanmade emulator like a pokemon showdown or whatever and just reading the text output rather than looking at any of the pictures, and the fact that any new release goes through literally months of community discussion and evaluation for things like tier lists and bans shows how competitive the underlying mechanics actually are in terms of having a varied pool of moves, abilities and usable pokemon.

If you're not interested in the competitive aspect of pokemon, I genuinely don't know why anyone over the age of 12 would even play these games tbh.

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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2021, 12:58:35 PM »
In defence of pokemon not redoing all their assets for every new generation, there's like... 500+ fucking pokeymans now, and not a huge amount of animation rigging you can share between them which is why the battle system can't show - for example - 500 variants of a "tackle" move to accomodate the 500 different ways a pokemon can perform that move, and the 500 different ways the receiving pokemon can take it, which is why there's a more generic VFX anim for each of the... probably another 500 fucking possible moves available.

The Pokemon look good though!

It's the environments that look awful.

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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2021, 01:41:41 PM »
If its like Sword & Shield did their 'open world area', the models are also a problem, because its like a super shitty MMO on low settings, where you just have these giant fucking pokemon appear about 20 feet away from you when you walk near the grass without any LODding or billboarding, because theyre reusing the battle models and animations as the world models - which also means their animations spaz out because they're not really intended to be played while moving around (in their ~5-10 feet leashed wander area)

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« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2021, 01:53:42 PM »
Pokemon Arceus looks like garbage all around.

The Diamond remake looks simple yet pleasing to the eye like the Link's Awakening remake did.
Your 'Counter Strike' or 'League of Legends' or whatever.


For Arceus the colors are ugh, the lighting is flat, the textures muddy, the UI piss poor and the animations wonky.
The presentation doesn't have any redeeming qualities.



You can barely make out the face of the trainer with the radioactive sand.
The whole thing looks like some sick joke to research epilepsy .
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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2021, 02:05:19 PM »
You could say the main Pokemon team games are proof that making good looking games takes talent.

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They should hire some talent.
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« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2021, 04:21:18 PM »
You could say the main Pokemon team games are proof that making good looking games takes talent.

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They should hire some talent.
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If I need to guess, TPC probably feels the cost benefit of it is not worth it.

Cheap product that sells like hot cakes regardless is a tempting way to operate, specially since the fan base is so easy to please in general.

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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2021, 05:41:16 PM »
I think it has more to do with the people in charge.

Masuda has been involved with nearly every Pokemon game since Pokemon Blue in one way or another.
And given the financial success nobody wants to rock the boat.
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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2021, 08:03:02 PM »
Did we ever discount that Masuda may be legally blind,

Would explain a lot!

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« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2021, 04:21:21 AM »
cannot believe how bad and janky these games look. Like good god, just make it pixel based again or cell shaded style. This shit is whack!

Any other company would be torn limb from limb from this, but pokeautists "I LOVE ARTSTYLE!"

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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2021, 05:25:23 AM »
Did we ever discount that Masuda may be legally blind,

Would explain a lot!



Im legally blind!