Other Forums Containment Thread

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-2#post-102388282

All I can say is that that Arnold thread from last night was very eye opening for me. Even in this one, we have evidence of plans for genocide, with less posts than a “What’s your favorite poop?” thread. We can’t do this alone, and right now, it feels like we are a lot of the time.

Yesterday in constructive:

How hard is it to just listen to trans users?

I almost never post in threads like that because it isn't about me and I want to read and have learned so much from trans users voicing experiences and concerns.  You could just...not argue over someones lived experience?  Its pretty easy.

you've got people thinking as allies they shouldn't post  and should just listen, which is going to be bad for post counts

Fuck me...

"You're all complicit in this genocide because you didn't post in my thread!"

"All you cis genociders need to shut up and listen to trans voices and not post in trans threads!"

Which one is it you absolute basket cases?

[Boredfrom]

You know what they'll be logically put on next? WB games are going to become HP games super quick after how much HL sold.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/warner-bros-delays-%E2%80%98suicide-squad%E2%80%99-game-again-after-fan-backlash-new-release-date-not-clear-but-later-this-year.694954/page-3#post-102414946

Thread's moving very fast so he might get lucky and avoid the ban 

I feel that game is getting overblown hate but WB didn’t made themselves any favors to not pívot to single player focus after Avengers bombed hard.

The GaaS thing honestly isn't even the game's main problem. The problem is that they took what was supposed to be a super hero game and turned it into a generic third person shooter where your enemies are purple blobs.

Mfs even got Captain Boomerang shooting guns lmao.

Still. Nothing drives casuals crazier than open world shit, so I'm certain WB will still get a couple of million sales out of this turd.

But it is not a super hero game, is a supervillain game with a giant shark and a hobo Aussie with superspeed, and somehow people think purple colored weak points are silly. The only of the four that usually don’t use weapons I think is actually King Shark (Captain Boomerang is a dirtbag, so using machine guns are not above him).

[marrec]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-2#post-102388282

All I can say is that that Arnold thread from last night was very eye opening for me. Even in this one, we have evidence of plans for genocide, with less posts than a “What’s your favorite poop?” thread. We can’t do this alone, and right now, it feels like we are a lot of the time.

Yesterday in constructive:

How hard is it to just listen to trans users?

I almost never post in threads like that because it isn't about me and I want to read and have learned so much from trans users voicing experiences and concerns.  You could just...not argue over someones lived experience?  Its pretty easy.

you've got people thinking as allies they shouldn't post  and should just listen, which is going to be bad for post counts

Fuck me...

"You're all complicit in this genocide because you didn't post in my thread!"

"All you cis genociders need to shut up and listen to trans voices and not post in trans threads!"

Which one is it you absolute basket cases?

They want this:

"Just seeing this now. Not read everything but that summary from MJ is fucked up."

"Bumping so more can see it."

"Don't think I can contribute with much, but I will definitely share this around and make sure everyone working at my school becomes aware of this bullshit, so that we can take it into account as we work towards creating a better and safer environment for the students of our region. It's not much, but it's where I'll start. We're not in the US, but I've been noticing more and more of this shit seeping in through the cracks over here in Sweden as well."

"I don't know what else I can do, but I want to help as best I can."

No actual discussion, just offerings of platitudes or promises of direct action and explanations for why they didn't post sooner lol

[HaughtyFrank]

You know what they'll be logically put on next? WB games are going to become HP games super quick after how much HL sold.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/warner-bros-delays-%E2%80%98suicide-squad%E2%80%99-game-again-after-fan-backlash-new-release-date-not-clear-but-later-this-year.694954/page-3#post-102414946

Thread's moving very fast so he might get lucky and avoid the ban 

I feel that game is getting overblown hate but WB didn’t made themselves any favors to not pívot to single player focus after Avengers bombed hard.

Still thinking about those canceled Superman and Damian Wayne games bros...

at least we have a single-player wonder woman game coming out...

It sucks that Rocksteady was stuck to this game for 6 years. I don’t think it looks that bad, but doesn’t feel like a AAA game worth of 6 years of development time.

Maybe that’s why people are so hard on the game?

It's definitely connected to Rocksteady not releasing anything for 6 years and then coming back with a game that seems to have a very different focus than their previous games. Not to say that Devs should be forever doomed to make the same kind of games for eternity but it's an uphill battle with a fanbase that expected something else. Like if I WB would come out and say that Rocksteady is also working on singleplayer (insert popular superhero) game, people would probably be a lot more chill about it.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-3#post-102421891

We won’t start the war, but we will finish it.

 

[D3RANG3D]

[Yulwei]

You know what they'll be logically put on next? WB games are going to become HP games super quick after how much HL sold.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/warner-bros-delays-%E2%80%98suicide-squad%E2%80%99-game-again-after-fan-backlash-new-release-date-not-clear-but-later-this-year.694954/page-3#post-102414946

Thread's moving very fast so he might get lucky and avoid the ban 

I feel that game is getting overblown hate but WB didn’t made themselves any favors to not pívot to single player focus after Avengers bombed hard.

The GaaS thing honestly isn't even the game's main problem. The problem is that they took what was supposed to be a super hero game and turned it into a generic third person shooter where your enemies are purple blobs.

Mfs even got Captain Boomerang shooting guns lmao.

Still. Nothing drives casuals crazier than open world shit, so I'm certain WB will still get a couple of million sales out of this turd.

But it is not a super hero game, is a supervillain game with a giant shark and a hobo Aussie with superspeed, and somehow people think purple colored weak points are silly. The only of the four that usually don’t use weapons I think is actually King Shark (Captain Boomerang is a dirtbag, so using machine guns are not above him).

I don't think I've ever seen Captain Boomerang use a gun. King Shark is a literal super powered tank/melee fighter on the level of Aquaman. Why would he use guns lmao. If you can't even get those two right then why even bother making this kind of game

It's just a generic looter shooter but with a DC skin. There are already too many of those  out there.

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-3#post-102421891

We won’t start the war, but we will finish it.

 

They can't handle people playing a videogame or not replying back to them on a dying videogame forum, and they think they are combat ready?! 

when will the LARPing stop?

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-3#post-102421891

We won’t start the war, but we will finish it.

 

I’m sure the person who unironically made several threads to seriously discuss the story of the Transformers movies is well equipped to fight in a war.

[Greatness Gone]

also didn't they spaz out over MAGAts forming their own militia to ~protect~ their rights? what makes violently fighting for children's drag shows or pediatric cosmetic surgery more justified? 

[Yulwei]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-3#post-102421891

We won’t start the war, but we will finish it.

 

They can't handle people playing a videogame or not replying back to them on a dying videogame forum, and they think they are combat ready?! 

when will the LARPing stop?

What are you talking about? trawling the forums every day for posts that mention joanne's game is grueling work. all these transgirls are battle ready 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102423913

We're just one step from the reeducation camps that will lead to death camps now.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102424753

Almost the entire federal government is either in agreement with this or at best "ambivalent".

surely not.

                     Dismissing concerns
 

[Greatness Gone]

HOLY FUCK

https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102426016

So at what point does the UN get involved? Cause it seems like they’re speed running to check all the boxes that define a genocide - and you don’t need to check all the boxes for it to count.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention[/URL]

[HaughtyFrank]

It's "the minority who cried genocide" with every law that either happened or didn't happen being the last step before total annihilation

[Propagandhim]

 

Trans people are (well, have been) well within their rights to arm themselves for war at this point. I don’t know what else to say, they’re fighting genocide.

Stonewall is the template.

TFW you want to go to war because you're not old enough to transition in Florida, but you're not old enough to buy firearms either.     

[nobody of note]

One thing that slightly confuses me about that thread/e-mail dump--it's a leak of e-mails between a lot of outrightly anti-trans groups and politicians that have been openly pushing anti-trans policies, correct? Based on the summary it doesn't sound like there's shocking revelations about publicly pro-trans groups actually engaging in the hate.

This isn't a "Tucker detests Trump" document dump of public and private faces disagreeing; it seems to largely been a bunch of shitty anti-trans people being shitty and anti-trans in their private communications, which isn't exactly surprising unless there's something in there about the people we didn't already know wanted to do this shit because they openly admit to it.

[Propagandhim]

LOL THE UN

[Jansen]

Can't wait till all the fat, ugly, transfolk take to the streets.

We're gonna be sorry for sure.

[Propagandhim]

I still stand by my claim that waiting until you're 18 is not such a horrendous anti-trans thing that denotes major discrimination, let alone genocide.  There are a lot of positives to waiting.  And of course negatives, too.  But it's not like the state doesn't impose itself in other ways upon bodily autonomy.  I watched a family member riddled with cancer that, after years of chemo, was told to go home and lay on a bed and die because there was nothing the doctors could do for her.  It's not like they gave her a barbiturate that facilitates death like they do to ailing animals -- she just had to agonize on a bed for over a week until she passed.  An individual in that state could find a consenting doctor that exists somewhere that would prescribe a barbiturate that would facilitate death - there's no shortage of doctors with that sort of mindset, but it's disallowed like trans drugs might be disallowed to minors in Florida.  Personally, I feel like that's barbaric in modern society, but I don't suit up and go to war against the government over shitty euthanasia laws.




...that's why I need the UN Peacekeepers to come in and sort this out for me. 

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Unfortunately I feel a decent amount of trans/nb people are not really in a spot mentally to own a gun. I know my parter and I couldn't.

 

[Greatness Gone]

Unfortunately I feel a decent amount of trans/nb people are not really in a spot mentally to own a gun. I know my parter and I couldn't.

Well... You said it, not me

I thought they were implying doing mass shootings, until I realized they were talking about suicide. 

[Yulwei]

Unfortunately I feel a decent amount of trans/nb people are not really in a spot mentally to own a gun. I know my parter and I couldn't.

 

 

[marrec]

Creating laws that basically criminalizes the attempts of parents to, to the best of their knowledge, provide quality health care to their children is a horrific overreach of legislative power and should be doomed to fail before becoming law. There is a nuanced discussion to be had about minors and gender affirming care, the lawmakers drafting bills to criminalize it and the activists claiming that any restriction is genocide are being extreme.

Is this law “one step from re-education camps”? We are about miles away from being even a dozen steps away from that. This IS just another example of the semi-fascist dreams these right wing folks want to enact.

[Averon]

Trans people do have legit concerns about right-wing people making their lives more miserable. But they do their cause no favors by aggressively accusing everyone and their mom about being complicit in a "genocide." They betray their efforts by engaging in stalking and harassment online because of a video game. They hurt themselves by biting the heads off their own "allies" if those allies, they deemed, aren't acting performatively outraged enough.

They are wondering why no one is entering that thread. Just look at how they act and how they easily and so often sic the mods on people to get people banned, often permanently. Even if you do want to say something supportive, you will second guess yourself doing so given how often people are banned in threads about trans issues for the most inoffensive, even supportive, posts. Then you have trans people hi-jacking threads that has nothing/little to do with them--see recent Arnold thread--and getting people banned and threads locked.

They only have themselves to blame that people are starting to not give a fuck and steering clear of trans topics on ERA.

[marrec]

Trans people do have legit concerns about right-wing people making their lives more miserable. But they do their cause no favors by aggressively accusing everyone and their mom about being complicit in a "genocide." They betray their efforts by engaging in stalking and harassment online because of a video game. They hurt themselves by biting the heads off their own "allies" if those allies, they deemed, aren't acting performatively outraged enough.

They are are wondering why no one is entering that thread. Just look at how they act and how they easily and so often sic the mods on people the get people banned, often permanently. Even if you do want to say something, you will second guess yourself doing so giving how often people are banned in threads about trans issues for the most inoffensive, even supportive, posts. Then you have trans people hi-jacking threads that has nothing/little to do with them--see recent Arnold thread--and getting people banned and threads locked.

They only have themselves to blame that people are starting to not give a fuck and steering clear.

That’s why reasonable people should mostly ignore the delusional dreams of the extremely online people who want to live out their victimized YA fantasies of being the most special and most prosecuted people on earth. Recognizing government overreach and facilitating actual solutions don’t require pandering to fringe movements.

[Propagandhim]

Creating laws that basically criminalizes the attempts of parents to, to the best of their knowledge, provide quality health care to their children is a horrific overreach of legislative power and should be doomed to fail before becoming law. There is a nuanced discussion to be had about minors and gender affirming care, the lawmakers drafting bills to criminalize it and the activists claiming that any restriction is genocide are being extreme.

Is this law “one step from re-education camps”? We are about miles away from being even a dozen steps away from that. This IS just another example of the semi-fascist dreams these right wing folks want to enact.

I'm more with you than against you, but as soon as you start even evaluating what 'quality health care' looks like for trans children, it becomes politicized.  The pro-trans group sees any assessment of these very new modes of care that is not totally in keeping with their doctrine as attacks.  I've seen journalists and doctors on Twitter post the death threats they received for reasoning that post-op trans care evaluations from peer-reviewed studies are not showing positive results.   There's no way to even assess what 'quality health care' looks like in this environment because an evaluation of the science can be seen as discriminatory, and to be honest, I don't believe there's enough data and it's too difficult to trust anyone who has an authoritative stance on this right now.  Am I alone on this?  It feels like none of these people are trustworthy at all when it comes to what is established, normative good practice of healthcare for this relatively new issue with trans kids.  I tend to err on the side of freedom and letting the parents decide what's right for their family than letting the government do it, but that sort of libertarianism that I want is not how this country functions in other areas of healthcare, so why do I expect it to be in this special case?  I don't feel like it's necessarily an indication of hate or discrimination that lawmakers want to avoid this sorta liability and let that person deal with it his/herself when they're an adult.  I'm not trans, so my opinion on this probably doesn't mean much, but I feel like there are far more positives for the transition process when your body biologically matures.   You literally cannot even achieve orgasm if you fuck with puberty:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/

Bowers, the new WPATH president and a transgender woman, said she has worried that some patients who begin puberty blockers at a young age won’t ever be able to have an orgasm because they never experienced one prior to pausing puberty, regardless of whether they have surgery. She said ongoing research has allayed many of her concerns, and “it seems not only probable but likely there is retention of orgasmic function.” She said she has encouraged doctors to talk about this risk with adolescents before they start medication.

https://twitter.com/Styron53/status/1631716595184672774


Even still, I err on the side of freedom for families to choose this.  But I don't believe for a second we can know an objectively, non-political way of understanding what the right healthcare is for trans kids right now.  That's not established.  We can try to be adults and figure this science together, civilly, or we can exaggerate about deathcamps, genocides, throwing trans people on cattle cars, and arming yourself to kill government officials. 

[Tuckers Law]

Honestly, the entire concept of "trans kids" bothers me quite a bit.  An adult wants to transition (even if they've just turned 18 and are still developing), I say live your best life if that's what it takes.  I'll even go further and say if a teenager 14ish and up is deadset, parents give consent, and actual physicians give the okay, then I guess that's fine.  But kids?  Kids don't know what they want.

[marrec]

Creating laws that basically criminalizes the attempts of parents to, to the best of their knowledge, provide quality health care to their children is a horrific overreach of legislative power and should be doomed to fail before becoming law. There is a nuanced discussion to be had about minors and gender affirming care, the lawmakers drafting bills to criminalize it and the activists claiming that any restriction is genocide are being extreme.

Is this law “one step from re-education camps”? We are about miles away from being even a dozen steps away from that. This IS just another example of the semi-fascist dreams these right wing folks want to enact.

I'm more with you than against you, but as soon as you start even evaluating what 'quality health care' looks like for trans children, it becomes politicized.  The pro-trans group sees any assessment of these very new modes of care that is not totally in keeping with their doctrine as attacks.  I've seen journalists and doctors on Twitter post the death threats they received for reasoning that post-op trans care evaluations from peer-reviewed studies are not showing positive results.   There's no way to even assess what 'quality health care' looks like in this environment because an evaluation of the science can be seen as discriminatory, and to be honest, I don't believe there's enough data and it's too difficult to trust anyone who has an authoritative stance on this right now.  Am I alone on this?  It feels like none of these people are trustworthy at all when it comes to what is established, normative good practice of healthcare for this relatively new issue with trans kids.  I tend to err on the side of freedom and letting the parents decide what's right for their family than letting the government do it, but that sort of libertarianism that I want is not how this country functions in other areas of healthcare, so why do I expect it to be in this special case?  I don't feel like it's necessarily an indication of hate or discrimination that lawmakers want to avoid this sorta liability and let that person deal with it his/herself when they're an adult.  I'm not trans, so my opinion on this probably doesn't mean much, but I feel like there are far more positives for the transition process when your body biologically matures.   You literally cannot even achieve orgasm if you fuck with puberty:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/

Bowers, the new WPATH president and a transgender woman, said she has worried that some patients who begin puberty blockers at a young age won’t ever be able to have an orgasm because they never experienced one prior to pausing puberty, regardless of whether they have surgery. She said ongoing research has allayed many of her concerns, and “it seems not only probable but likely there is retention of orgasmic function.” She said she has encouraged doctors to talk about this risk with adolescents before they start medication.

https://twitter.com/Styron53/status/1631716595184672774


Even still, I err on the side of freedom for families to choose this.  But I don't believe for a second we can know an objectively, non-political way of understanding what the right healthcare is for trans kids right now.  That's not established.

I am not qualified enough to have an opinion about the nuance of minor healthcare, especially when it comes to trans issues, but I AM qualified enough to know that criminalizing (or worse, making it possible to remove the child from a parents care) a parent who is providing what they THINK is healthcare based on advise from the child’s healthcare providers is absolutely horrific. However someone feels about the trans healthcare issue, hopefully they understand that removing the child from the parents is NOT the solution.

[Propagandhim]

Oh, totally.

[killamajig]

Nineteen Eighty-Four
George Orwell

spoiler (click to show/hide)

How many fingers, Winston?'

'Four.'

The needle went up to sixty.

'How many fingers, Winston?'

'Four! Four! What else can I say? Four!'

The needle must have risen again, but he did not look at it. The heavy, stern face and the four fingers filled his vision. The fingers stood up before his eyes like pillars, enormous, blurry, and seeming to vibrate, but unmistakably four.

'How many fingers, Winston?'

'Four! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? Four! Four!'

'How many fingers, Winston?'

'Five! Five! Five!'

'No, Winston, that is no use. You are lying. You still think there are four. How many fingers, please?'

'Four! five! Four! Anything you like. Only stop it, stop the pain!'

Abruptly he was sitting up with O'Brien's arm round his shoulders. He had perhaps lost consciousness for a few seconds. The bonds that had held his body down were loosened. He felt very cold, he was shaking uncontrollably, his teeth were chattering, the tears were rolling down his cheeks. For a moment he clung to O'Brien like a baby, curiously comforted by the heavy arm round his shoulders. He had the feeling that O'Brien was his protector, that the pain was something that came from outside, from some other source, and that it was O'Brien who would save him from it.

'You are a slow learner, Winston,' said O'Brien gently.

'How can I help it?' he blubbered. 'How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.'

'Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.'

He laid Winston down on the bed. The grip of his limbs tightened again, but the pain had ebbed away and the trembling had stopped, leaving him merely weak and cold. O'Brien motioned with his head to the man in the white coat, who had stood immobile throughout the proceedings. The man in the white coat bent down and looked closely into Winston's eyes, felt his pulse, laid an ear against his chest, tapped here and there, then he nodded to O'Brien.

'Again,' said O'Brien.

The pain flowed into Winston's body. The needle must be at seventy, seventy-five. He had shut his eyes this time. He knew that the fingers were still there, and still four. All that mattered was somehow to stay alive until the spasm was over. He had ceased to notice whether he was crying out or not. The pain lessened again. He opened his eyes. O'Brien had drawn back the lever.

'How many fingers, Winston?'

'Four. I suppose there are four. I would see five if I could. I am trying to see five.'

'Which do you wish: to persuade me that you see five, or really to see them?'

'Really to see them.'

'Again,' said O'Brien

[close]

.

[Propagandhim]

They want trans people to die out, point blank. But just like the GOP, they're too cowardly to admit it.

All this effort focused on hate instead of improving the livelihood of every citizen. But I'm going to guess these are even more self-proclaimed "Christians" looking to eradicate something that has zero effect on them. Just let people be.

COUNTERPOINT:   If there's an inherent genetic nature to this and you can't pray the trans/gay away strictly environmentally, then ensuring a higher number of trans people go through puberty and actually produce sperm and eggs for sexual reproduction, and can achieve orgasms, would probably increase the number of trans people instead of them 'dying out'.   

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102423913

We're just one step from the reeducation camps that will lead to death camps now.

HOLY FUCK

https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102426016

So at what point does the UN get involved? Cause it seems like they’re speed running to check all the boxes that define a genocide - and you don’t need to check all the boxes for it to count.


[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention[/URL]

(Image removed from quote.)

Trans people are (well, have been) well within their rights to arm themselves for war at this point. I don’t know what else to say, they’re fighting genocide.


Stonewall is the template.

TFW you want to go to war because you're not old enough to transition in Florida, but you're not old enough to buy firearms either.     

More evidence that being terminally online and trans is a classifiable mental illness.

[Potato]

One thing that slightly confuses me about that thread/e-mail dump--it's a leak of e-mails between a lot of outrightly anti-trans groups and politicians that have been openly pushing anti-trans policies, correct? Based on the summary it doesn't sound like there's shocking revelations about publicly pro-trans groups actually engaging in the hate.

This isn't a "Tucker detests Trump" document dump of public and private faces disagreeing; it seems to largely been a bunch of shitty anti-trans people being shitty and anti-trans in their private communications, which isn't exactly surprising unless there's something in there about the people we didn't already know wanted to do this shit because they openly admit to it.

Tag me when the find the smoking gun email chain from Biden, Kamala, Bernie and AOC.


Until then
 

[Potato]

Can't wait till all the fat, ugly, transfolk take to the streets.

We're gonna be sorry for sure.

Cameras at the ready boys!

[Nintex]

I don't think it's smart to give already troubled kids experimental drugs and irreversible surgery that leave both physical and mental scars.
Stuff that's actually banned like steroids are like M&M's compared to this shit.

Kids are being given too many drugs in general. Something to stay calm, something to not panic, something to sleep, something to stay focused etc. etc. .
And the statistics aren't exactly showing that these treatments work, in fact the number of teens that get depressed, addicted or even worse kill themselves only increases.

Of course the trans activists want you to think that this is because they are denied treatment but guess what, despite more kids getting 'treated' the statistics aren't changing for the better.

[Potato]

Unfortunately I feel a decent amount of trans/nb people are not really in a spot mentally to own a gun. I know my parter and I couldn't.

Well... You said it, not me

I thought they were implying doing mass shootings, until I realized they were talking about suicide. 

That's it. That's the genocide. It's entirely self-driven and you are complicit because you are not doing enough to stop them self-harming.

[Propagandhim]

Funny thing is, macro-level issues like gun proliferation in America go out the window as soon as something becomes personal.  I always thought the amount of guns in this country was a huge problem, but I always wondered what I'd say to a little old woman who lives in a bad area where assaults, muggings, and robberies go unsolved.  I wouldn't tell her to take the abuse, I'd say 'get a gun', because when it's personal you have to prioritize your situation over the abstract general issue.  But I do wonder if these people realize they're just flipping the switch on whenever they feel like it.  Or if they realize everyone else feels the same affront to their person just as much as they do when they're so ready to 'suit up and go to war'.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/independent-journalist-parker-molloy-has-written-reference-quality-deconstruction-of-the-writer-pundit-class-tactics-on-obfuscating-their-transphobia.695125/

It's really amazing how obvious it is that the pundit-bros who've dominated the "trans kids!" space are all clearly working from a POV it is *clearly* better for someone to *not* be trans. It's why they worry about "explosions" in the number of trans teens.

For better or worse, gender dysphoria is a health related issue.

[Potato]

Honestly, the entire concept of "trans kids" bothers me quite a bit.  An adult wants to transition (even if they've just turned 18 and are still developing), I say live your best life if that's what it takes.  I'll even go further and say if a teenager 14ish and up is deadset, parents give consent, and actual physicians give the okay, then I guess that's fine.  But kids?  Kids don't know what they want.

I argue daily about what outside school activities my pre-teen kids want to do.

On any given day, my daughter may want to give up piano lessons while at the same time think that learning the song from Wednesday is the coolest thing in the universe. They both argue with me constantly about not wanting to go to football training, but then if I say no training, then they get upset with me.

Hell, my son used to eat bananas every fucking day for his school lunch. This year he decided he didn't care for bananas any more.

Kids are fucking stupid and don't know what they want. You don't let them make permanent, life and body-altering decisions at that age.

[Potato]

They want trans people to die out, point blank. But just like the GOP, they're too cowardly to admit it.

All this effort focused on hate instead of improving the livelihood of every citizen. But I'm going to guess these are even more self-proclaimed "Christians" looking to eradicate something that has zero effect on them. Just let people be.

COUNTERPOINT:   If there's an inherent genetic nature to this and you can't pray the trans/gay away strictly environmentally, then ensuring a higher number of trans people go through puberty and actually produce sperm and eggs for sexual reproduction, and can achieve orgasms, would probably increase the number of trans people instead of them 'dying out'.   

How can trans people "die out"?

Trans people don't breed more trans people. They are anomalies, not a separate species.

Fucking mentally ill people.

[HaughtyFrank]

Creating laws that basically criminalizes the attempts of parents to, to the best of their knowledge, provide quality health care to their children is a horrific overreach of legislative power and should be doomed to fail before becoming law. There is a nuanced discussion to be had about minors and gender affirming care, the lawmakers drafting bills to criminalize it and the activists claiming that any restriction is genocide are being extreme.

Is this law “one step from re-education camps”? We are about miles away from being even a dozen steps away from that. This IS just another example of the semi-fascist dreams these right wing folks want to enact.

I'm more with you than against you, but as soon as you start even evaluating what 'quality health care' looks like for trans children, it becomes politicized.  The pro-trans group sees any assessment of these very new modes of care that is not totally in keeping with their doctrine as attacks.  I've seen journalists and doctors on Twitter post the death threats they received for reasoning that post-op trans care evaluations from peer-reviewed studies are not showing positive results.   There's no way to even assess what 'quality health care' looks like in this environment because an evaluation of the science can be seen as discriminatory, and to be honest, I don't believe there's enough data and it's too difficult to trust anyone who has an authoritative stance on this right now.  Am I alone on this?  It feels like none of these people are trustworthy at all when it comes to what is established, normative good practice of healthcare for this relatively new issue with trans kids.  I tend to err on the side of freedom and letting the parents decide what's right for their family than letting the government do it, but that sort of libertarianism that I want is not how this country functions in other areas of healthcare, so why do I expect it to be in this special case?  I don't feel like it's necessarily an indication of hate or discrimination that lawmakers want to avoid this sorta liability and let that person deal with it his/herself when they're an adult.  I'm not trans, so my opinion on this probably doesn't mean much, but I feel like there are far more positives for the transition process when your body biologically matures.   You literally cannot even achieve orgasm if you fuck with puberty:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/

Bowers, the new WPATH president and a transgender woman, said she has worried that some patients who begin puberty blockers at a young age won’t ever be able to have an orgasm because they never experienced one prior to pausing puberty, regardless of whether they have surgery. She said ongoing research has allayed many of her concerns, and “it seems not only probable but likely there is retention of orgasmic function.” She said she has encouraged doctors to talk about this risk with adolescents before they start medication.

https://twitter.com/Styron53/status/1631716595184672774


Even still, I err on the side of freedom for families to choose this.  But I don't believe for a second we can know an objectively, non-political way of understanding what the right healthcare is for trans kids right now.  That's not established.  We can try to be adults and figure this science together, civilly, or we can exaggerate about deathcamps, genocides, throwing trans people on cattle cars, and arming yourself to kill government officials.

What upsets me is that anyone even asking those questions is instantly treated as hostile and transphobic. Puberty blockers aren't well researched yet, there is reason to at least ask for more studies to be done and yet you get stuff like the Open letter to the NYT because they dared to ask those questions.
The concept behind puberty blockers is also a bit paradox. You want to give the kid more time to think and see whether it is a phase or not but at the same time you block parts of the kids brain from developing, so does giving them more time even really change anything?

Anyway, I'm not a doctor or researcher so my opinion means jack shit, but it's crazy to me to see people attacked for merely asking (imo legitimate) questions.

[Propagandhim]

They want trans people to die out, point blank. But just like the GOP, they're too cowardly to admit it.

All this effort focused on hate instead of improving the livelihood of every citizen. But I'm going to guess these are even more self-proclaimed "Christians" looking to eradicate something that has zero effect on them. Just let people be.

COUNTERPOINT:   If there's an inherent genetic nature to this and you can't pray the trans/gay away strictly environmentally, then ensuring a higher number of trans people go through puberty and actually produce sperm and eggs for sexual reproduction, and can achieve orgasms, would probably increase the number of trans people instead of them 'dying out'.   

How can trans people "die out"?

Trans people don't breed more trans people. They are anomalies, not a separate species.

Fucking mentally ill people.

Well, there's a nature to everything.  The question is, of the genetic makeup of a sample population, what contributes to the variation of gender dysphoria of that group?  We obviously don't know that.  With homosexuality, there may be some configuration of recessive genes that don't express themselves in otherwise heterosexual people that influence the outcome of someone being gay when those genes are passed on.  So it doesn't mean homosexuality isn't hereditary because gay people typically don't have children and heterosexual people do.  There's also the fact that trans people do have children.  And of course, the incidence of random mutations are influenced by the genetic slate to begin with, so even the randomness is a function of a base nature.

[railGUN]

(in the Mr. Beast "gotcha" thread)

Saw one of his latest stunts "People in Africa need shoes" which reinforces poverty and racist stereotypes.

Hopefully more people are starting to see through this shit.

I seriously want to fucking strangle these fucking assholes.

If you are mad that someone donated shoes to 20,000 African children you are such a terrible person, my god.

 

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/independent-journalist-parker-molloy-has-written-reference-quality-deconstruction-of-the-writer-pundit-class-tactics-on-obfuscating-their-transphobia.695125/

It's really amazing how obvious it is that the pundit-bros who've dominated the "trans kids!" space are all clearly working from a POV it is *clearly* better for someone to *not* be trans. It's why they worry about "explosions" in the number of trans teens.

For better or worse, gender dysphoria is a mental health related issue.

FTFY

[Potato]

(in the Mr. Beast "gotcha" thread)

Saw one of his latest stunts "People in Africa need shoes" which reinforces poverty and racist stereotypes.

Hopefully more people are starting to see through this shit.

I seriously want to fucking strangle these fucking assholes.

If you are mad that someone donated shoes to 20,000 African children you are such a terrible person, my god.

 

Without getting on the Mr Beast hate-train, it has been shown that first world countries donating clothes etc to third world countries can cause significant harm to local textile industries and the development of marketable skills in those countries (usually among women).

Curing blindness = good
Donating shoes = maybe good, but potentially bad
Resetera = fucking idiots

[railGUN]

(in the Mr. Beast "gotcha" thread)

Saw one of his latest stunts "People in Africa need shoes" which reinforces poverty and racist stereotypes.

Hopefully more people are starting to see through this shit.

I seriously want to fucking strangle these fucking assholes.

If you are mad that someone donated shoes to 20,000 African children you are such a terrible person, my god.

 

Without getting on the Mr Beast hate-train, it has been shown that first world countries donating clothes etc to third world countries can cause significant harm to local textile industries and the development of marketable skills in those countries (usually among women).

Curing blindness = good
Donating shoes = maybe good, but potentially bad
Resetera = fucking idiots

To help, the social media star and his team flew to Johannesburg and met with a charity called Barefoot No More. The nonprofit produces footwear from innovative materials that increase durability and comfort. The influencer then flew to Cape Town with 20,000 pairs of kicks and handed them out to the students most desperate for help.

[Greatness Gone]

Several countries in Africa ARE impoverished and the people there ARE in need of shoes. How does that feed into a racist stereotype?

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/independent-journalist-parker-molloy-has-written-reference-quality-deconstruction-of-the-writer-pundit-class-tactics-on-obfuscating-their-transphobia.695125/

It's really amazing how obvious it is that the pundit-bros who've dominated the "trans kids!" space are all clearly working from a POV it is *clearly* better for someone to *not* be trans. It's why they worry about "explosions" in the number of trans teens.

For better or worse, gender dysphoria is a mental health related issue.

FTFY

Well, is also a physical health issue given how many want to transition (and some, later, detransition).

[PogiJones]

I am not qualified enough to have an opinion about the nuance of minor healthcare, especially when it comes to trans issues, but I AM qualified enough to know that criminalizing (or worse, making it possible to remove the child from a parents care) a parent who is providing what they THINK is healthcare based on advise from the child’s healthcare providers is absolutely horrific. However someone feels about the trans healthcare issue, hopefully they understand that removing the child from the parents is NOT the solution.

You're coming at this from a "transitioning a kid definitely doesn't constitute abuse" angle, and that's really what's being debated. If it's abuse, society has always taken kids away from abusive parents. And yes, abuse can be well-intentioned and ideology-based, like a vegan giving their cat only vegetables; it doesn't matter that she thinks she's helping the cat, she's killing it and we should rescue it. A lot of detransitioners are saying they were kids that were encouraged by their parents and doctors and shuttled through the process without a second thought to chop their bits off, and now they're screwed for the rest of their lives.

Now, one distinguishing factor you brought up is that the parent is getting fed the ideology through "healthcare providers." Do I think the gender-affirming healthcare providers are corrupt and totally missing the mark? Yes; however, we can't just dismiss them outright, lest we fail to recognize any authority on anything in favor of our own guts. So I agree that, in this case at this time, taking the kids away is an overreach. But banning treatment on kids until we have actual studies on the long-term effects of these things (and we already know there are significant long-term effects, like the inability to ever breastfeed) against a system that is currently rushing kids in as untested guinea pigs is completely reasonable.

[Nintex]

Teachers are also to blame because they love to 'fix' kids or assign them in to a certain 'type' or 'box' based on behaviour or a new 'disorder'.

Take something as silly as dyslexia. When I was in school and we learned how to read you had kids who could read well and kids who couldn't read well.
To fix this the solution was to read more. Additional reading and spelling lessons. In the end some kids could still read better than others but overall everyone could read and write well enough to function in society.

At some point kids not reading well got explained with a disorder called 'dyslexia'. I'm sure that some folks really suffer from this but I refuse to believe that overnight so many kids developed this condition.
So the method of mandatory additional reading and spelling lessons wasn't applied anymore (after all the kids have a 'disorder' better not 'trigger' them with something they don't like plus having to learn a language as a migrant is racist).
In addition all straight men are probably pedo's or #metoo so about 99% of all primary school teachers is female or gay and they can't keep order and love all the pseudoscience and alternative teaching methods or are simply easy tricked into following the latest trend.

The result of this? 25% of all 15 year olds(!) in the Netherlands are no longer able to read at a level that's high enough to understand government communications.
They are what is called 'functionality analphabetic'. The other statistics are worrying too, our reading levels among children are the lowest in all of Europe.

I feel the same way about this trending trans thing. Some kid is depressed, autistic or has issues making friends or whatever and they quickly link it to gender identity as that is the hot thing right now.
These gullible women celebrate trans week, Euro week, equity week, diversity week, inclusivity week, vegan week, gender unicorn week, Lesbian week, EU week, Gay week, UN week, climate week, LGBTQSAI+ week, WEF week, MSM week, traffic week with their class and all the other events the activists at the ministry of education and their NGO buddies dream up.

[PogiJones]

I hate to make a stupid, vapid "right side of history" argument, but I'm gonna anyway: I think people in 200 years will look back on our current treatment of gender dysphoria the same way we look back on hysterectomies being used as a treatment for hysteria.

[Tuckers Law]

I'll go further: I don't think it'll take even that long for society to look back and be appalled.  Lobotomization springs to mind immediately as something we see absolutely horrific today that was doctor-prescribed practically just a blink ago.

[Propagandhim]

I hate to make a stupid, vapid "right side of history" argument, but I'm gonna anyway: I think people in 200 years will look back on our current treatment of gender dysphoria the same way we look back on hysterectomies being used as a treatment for hysteria.

The UN and the International Criminal Court are going to start "nation-building" on our ass during a much-needed transition period far before that.  All because we didn't sit down and listen.   

[marrec]

I hate to make a stupid, vapid "right side of history" argument, but I'm gonna anyway: I think people in 200 years will look back on our current treatment of gender dysphoria the same way we look back on hysterectomies being used as a treatment for hysteria.

The UN and the International Criminal Court are going to start "nation-building" on our ass during a much-needed transition period far before that.  All because we didn't sit down and listen.   

Noooo daddy UN don’t nation build on my ass 

[Potato]

(in the Mr. Beast "gotcha" thread)

Saw one of his latest stunts "People in Africa need shoes" which reinforces poverty and racist stereotypes.

Hopefully more people are starting to see through this shit.

I seriously want to fucking strangle these fucking assholes.

If you are mad that someone donated shoes to 20,000 African children you are such a terrible person, my god.

 

Without getting on the Mr Beast hate-train, it has been shown that first world countries donating clothes etc to third world countries can cause significant harm to local textile industries and the development of marketable skills in those countries (usually among women).

Curing blindness = good
Donating shoes = maybe good, but potentially bad
Resetera = fucking idiots

To help, the social media star and his team flew to Johannesburg and met with a charity called Barefoot No More. The nonprofit produces footwear from innovative materials that increase durability and comfort. The influencer then flew to Cape Town with 20,000 pairs of kicks and handed them out to the students most desperate for help.

I'm sure there was more thought put into it than most of these "clothes for Africa" charity drives which usually amount to people just dumping their fast fashion shite on a bunch of unsuspecting people who then have to deal with the cleanup.

I just find it an interesting discussion how something that seems so beneficial can have unintended consequences.

[railGUN]

I'm sure there was more thought put into it than most of these "clothes for Africa" charity drives which usually amount to people just dumping their fast fashion shite on a bunch of unsuspecting people who then have to deal with the cleanup.

I just find it an interesting discussion how something that seems so beneficial can have unintended consequences.

Oh definitely. Everything has nuance (I've heard the same thing about how donating clothes isn't always the best option).

What really irks me though, is twisting a good fantastic deed that is putting shoes on children is spun into "racist and poverty stereotypes". They're not even bringing up the concern you did... they're reframing this act of charity as being bad because there might be a perception of some poverty in Africa (hard to believe, I know).

[HaughtyFrank]

There was a hate campaign against Ant-Man, people wanted it to fail

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-iger-marvel-brand-not-%E2%80%9Cinherently-off-%E2%80%9D-but-%E2%80%9Cdo-you-need-a-third-or-fourth%E2%80%9D-sequel-for-every-character.695017/post-102430858

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mr-beasts-chocolate-partnered-with-the-rainforest-alliance-the-same-partner-as-hersheys-both-currently-facing-lawsuit-related-to-child-labor.694624/page-2#post-102368545

User Banned (1 Week): Threadwhining; Meta Commentary; Account in Junior Phase

These type of threads are extremely tiring to see, especially when there's already a thread from the same thread creator about the same content creator right next to each other. Isn't there a threadmark feature? Y'all just like to make yourselves upset and/or feel better by doing this, it's extremely weird to see.

[BIONIC]

https://twitter.com/dril/status/1633635218904186882