Author Topic: Collateral vs HEAT (Read 5919 times)

MrAngryFace · « **on:** August 17, 2006, 12:18:36 PM »

-Tom Cruise's good movie.
-Jamie Foxx was awesome.
-Great dialogue
-Solid action scenes
-Tom Cruise Gets Shot.

RATING:Â

-Some good action scenes, but still boring between.
-I hate Val Kilmer
-I have no hero worship of pachino or deniro.
-Bad pacing snore

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The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:19:53 PM »

Heat > Collateral. Fact.

Solo · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:20:45 PM »

I like Collateral more too, and think it's Mann's best film. But we're in the minority here. Most will say either The Insider or Heat.

Oh well, let this be the first time me and MAF are in complete agreement!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #3 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:26:29 PM »

The beacon of cinema is dead.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #4 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:26:32 PM »

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MrAngryFace · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:28:44 PM »

I think HEAT carries more star power, but honestly I am more impressed when Jamie Foxx and Tom Cruise pull off good performances than Pachino and Deniro

Solo · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:29:56 PM »

Heat felt too bloated for my tastes. At almost 3 hours, it's at least 30 minutes too long. Collateral is tight as fuck and perfectly paced at around 110 minutes.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:32:08 PM »

Oh, Collateral, the movie where you could guess the ending within the first 5 minutes of the movie? Collateral the movie that had the ridiculous shoot out in the dance club? Collateral a movie whose whole angle is "OMG TOM CRUISE IS EVIL!!!1" You take out Jamie Foxx's awesome performance (which at least grounds the movie a bit) and you have just another popcorn flick, ala Mr. and Mrs Smith.

Although Heat was about 20 minutes too long, the bank heist shootout is one of the greatest scenes in the history of cin-e-maa. Also had powerful scenes where the daughter kills herself and then the final, sitdown meeting between Pacino and DeNiro that carries the film.

Solo · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:33:43 PM »

You could tell that Foxx was gonna kill Cruise within the first 5 minutes, in which we saw Cruise once walking through an airport, and Foxx driving random fares around town? Wow, you are smart!

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:39:55 PM »

Collateral was not only about the ending but the strangely personal journey both men take part in through the night. A person I watched it with commented that the movie, for all its shooting and punching and killing wasnt really that loud, and I think that speaks of the intended understatement on that aspect of the movie.

I dont think Collateral is the same 'kind' of crime drama as heat and as such benefited from better pacing and a theme that is easier for the viewer to relate to.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #10 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:41:34 PM »

Quote from: Solo on August 17, 2006, 12:33:43 PM

You could tell that Foxx was gonna kill Cruise within the first 5 minutes, in which we saw Cruise once walking through an airport, and Foxx driving random fares around town? Wow, you are smart!

No, you knew that Cruise was coming in to do a job, and you knew that Jamie Foxx was dropping off a Lawyer/love interest that was involved in a big murder case.

Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:43:30 PM »

Heat fuckin' sucked. It had three barely-redeeming qualities:

1. Al Pacino hucking the TV out a window.
2. Val Kilmer's arm growth. WTF.
3. It's not Velvet Goldmine.

It was one of the most boring, poorly-paced crime moves EVER.

Collateral fuckin' ROCKED. Jamie Foxx was really fuckin' good in it, and TOM CRUISE DIES.

Diablos · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:44:12 PM »

Collateral ftw.

Solo · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:45:21 PM »

Quote from: Drinky Crow on August 17, 2006, 12:43:30 PM

2. Val Kilmer's arm growth. WTF.

The stuff of legend!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:46:57 PM »

I SAW A BABY IN THE MICROWAVE

Solo · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:49:26 PM »

I love the few flashes of Screamin' Al we get. Namely "GIVE ME WHAT YA GOT!" and "BECAUSE SHES GOT A GREAT ASS!"

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:51:04 PM »

The sit down between Pacino and DeNiro is pure gold. I honestly don't remember a lot of Collateral, and that's pretty good, because I have a pretty damn good memory for films. Heat is very memorable.

Solo · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:53:39 PM »

Id argue Collateral is pretty damn memorable. The banter between Cruise and Foxx, the malfunctioning of Cruise's perfect killer, and the growth of Foxx's backbone are all pretty memorable. What MAF said is pretty much spot on. It's about the journey each man takes. Also, the Club Fever scene was my favorite action scene that year. The bullet sounds on the DVD almost blow my windows out.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:54:23 PM »

it was loud for you? maybe you have a good sound system haha.

Solo · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:56:22 PM »

Yup, I have a pretty great surround set-up, and the gunfire from Collateral is the most impressive sound effect Ive heard on my system. Its just booming.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:58:00 PM »

Heat had a LOT of extraneous bullshit that Collateral didn't have. Did we really need all the segues to Val Kilmer's deteriorating relationship? Actually, did we really need to see Val Kilmer's awful performance at all?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:58:12 PM »

Hrm, well it still wasnt that loud a movie compared to most action movies.

Solo · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2006, 12:59:58 PM »

No, it wasn't. At least for 95% of the movie. But when the action DOES kick in, its mighty impressive.

LOLZ at Jon Voight's mullet too.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #23 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:02:07 PM »

I liked when those guys tried to mug vincent haha

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #24 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:02:19 PM »

LOLZ at Jason Statham "transporting" the marks to Tom Cruise in the beginning of Collateral, too.

Solo · « **Reply #25 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:03:17 PM »

Yo homie, is that my briefcase?

The best part about that whole scene is after he has shot them both. He picks up his case, then shoots the guy once more while walking away. Cracks me up everytime. Its so badass yet hilarious.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #26 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:17:13 PM »

Yeah, it makes ya sorta root for the evil guy for a minute lol

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #27 on:** August 17, 2006, 01:52:43 PM »

You hate black people.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #28 on:** August 17, 2006, 02:43:15 PM »

What the fuck?

I'm the only person that's on Willco's side? Heat rocks. Yea, it might have been too long, but the cast is just about 10 times better. I was pleasantly surprised by Cruise's performance in Collateral (that part with the briefcase is fucking awesome and hilarious), but I just didn't like the film as much as Heat. Maybe I should watch it again - I've only watched it twice back when it came out on DVD - because I just didn't think it was anything special. It was good, but meh, I thought it was more boring than Heat. Maybe I do have a "hero-worship" of De Niro and Pacino, but they just ruled in Heat. As Willco said, the sitdown was great...and the shootout is just fuck awesome. Even the ending chase and duel (or whatever it's called) is damn good (even though you know who'll win), and the music that comes in is just WOW. Amazing movie.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #29 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:06:28 PM »

I say hero worship cause every freakin college student has a Scarface poster in their dorm room and have no real thoughts about the movie beyond it rocks lolz he's shootin stuff woo.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:21:10 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on August 17, 2006, 04:06:28 PM

I say hero worship cause every freakin college student has a Scarface poster in their dorm room and have no real thoughts about the movie beyond it rocks lolz he's shootin stuff woo.

What is up with that anyway? Scarface isn't even THAT great. And his accent is absolutely terrible.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #31 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:22:27 PM »

it boggles me sir

TVC15 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:29:16 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on August 17, 2006, 04:21:10 PM

Quote from: MrAngryFace on August 17, 2006, 04:06:28 PM
I say hero worship cause every freakin college student has a Scarface poster in their dorm room and have no real thoughts about the movie beyond it rocks lolz he's shootin stuff woo.
What is up with that anyway? Scarface isn't even THAT great. And his accent is absolutely terrible.

No, it's not that great, but it's better than Heat.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #33 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:29:43 PM »

Scarface is a piece of shit.

TVC15 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:37:43 PM »

Quote from: Willco on August 17, 2006, 04:29:43 PM

Scarface is a piece of shit.

Yes, but Heat is what shit shits.

smiles-and-cries · « **Reply #35 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:51:15 PM »

I hate Cruise now but Collateral was awesome, even MI3 kicked my ass

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #36 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:52:44 PM »

Quote from: White Man on August 17, 2006, 04:37:43 PM

Quote from: Willco on August 17, 2006, 04:29:43 PM
Scarface is a piece of shit.

Yes, but Heat is what shit shits.

You shut your mouth you dirty little whore.

TVC15 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:54:43 PM »

Quote from: Willco on August 17, 2006, 04:52:44 PM

Quote from: White Man on August 17, 2006, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 17, 2006, 04:29:43 PM
Scarface is a piece of shit.

Yes, but Heat is what shit shits.

You shut your mouth you dirty little whore.

I'll never understand what's up with you Batman fanboys and your Val Kilmer love.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #38 on:** August 17, 2006, 04:57:21 PM »

Quote from: White Man on August 17, 2006, 04:54:43 PM

Quote from: Willco on August 17, 2006, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: White Man on August 17, 2006, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 17, 2006, 04:29:43 PM
Scarface is a piece of shit.

Yes, but Heat is what shit shits.

You shut your mouth you dirty little whore.

I'll never understand what's up with you Batman fanboys and your Val Kilmer love.

I'm not a big Kilmer fan, save for Tombstone and Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. I didn't even like Batman Forever after I lost my virginity!

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #39 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:02:45 PM »

See, this is why CrystalGemini won't go the movies with you -- you like crap like Heat!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #40 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:09:36 PM »

Heat is fantastic - you take that back!

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #41 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:17:04 PM »

Heat is POOPTASTIC

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #42 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:35:31 PM »

You guys only like Collateral because you're closet Scientologists.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #43 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:38:02 PM »

lolz xenu

TVC15 · « **Reply #44 on:** August 17, 2006, 05:40:22 PM »

Quote from: Willco on August 17, 2006, 05:35:31 PM

You guys only like Collateral because you're closet Scientologists.

Dude, Heat is arguably the least entertaining movie ever.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #45 on:** August 17, 2006, 06:10:03 PM »

I've seen your digital library... Heat poops on your collection.

Pure Premium · « **Reply #46 on:** August 17, 2006, 10:06:16 PM »

Collateral was awesome, and the better movie.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #47 on:** August 17, 2006, 10:15:41 PM »

Quote from: Pure Premium on August 17, 2006, 10:06:16 PM

Collateral was awesome, and the better movie.

Have I entered some fucking parallel dimension??? What the fuck is going on here?? I seriously never meet you people in real life.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #48 on:** August 17, 2006, 10:31:47 PM »

That's because people who like Collateral better than the cinematic diarrhea called "Heat" actually leave the house!

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #49 on:** August 17, 2006, 10:40:55 PM »

Quote from: Drinky Crow on August 17, 2006, 10:31:47 PM

That's because people who like Collateral better than the cinematic diarrhea called "Heat" actually leave the house!

Read that again Drinky. You'll realize that doesn't make any sense. At all.

Solo · « **Reply #50 on:** August 18, 2006, 08:23:01 AM »

Scarface is a terrible movie, yet it's redeemed by awesome 80's cheese, a campy soundtrack, Stone and De Palma doing massive amounts of coke, and Pacino's most over-the-top performance of his career. I'd give it about a 5/10, but its the ultimate guilty pleasure.

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Author Topic: Collateral vs HEAT (Read 5919 times)

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