Author Topic: Favorite Federico Fellini Film (Read 4371 times)

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **on:** February 12, 2007, 01:33:24 PM »

Mine would have to be 8 1/2, with La Dolce Vita coming in a close second. The greatest film about film ever made, imo.

But then again, LDV has some marvelous beauties on display...

whiteACID · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:34:58 PM »

I don't think I have seen, or even heard of most of these movies.

Himu · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:35:04 PM »

Can you give me a summary on this director and what type of films he/she makes? I'll add the movies to my list.

btw at this point, I request we need a MOVIE forum, because that seems to be the most popular subject here.

TVC15 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:36:22 PM »

La Dolce Vita. 8 1/2 is definitely a great movie, but it's pretty much the definition of "indulgent."

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:37:00 PM »

I've only seen 8 1/2. $:-\$

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:39:14 PM »

Federico Fellini is a famous director, heralded by many as the greatest Italian filmmaker of all time.

8 1/2 -- Centers on a director who has no real direction anymore, who can't decide on his next project -- or anything in his life, for that matter. It's probably in my top 10 favorites of all time.

La Dolce Vita -- Follows a celebrity journalist as he lives "the good life", which often leads to tragedy in the film. Basically, it's a fake biopic about a gossip columnist who wanders aimlessly around Italy.

Honestly, most of his films defy definition. You really do have to see them to grasp the full scope of the story.

Robo · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:40:17 PM »

I've only seen 8 1/2 and La Dolce Vida. I'm gonna say the latter for now, but I would need to see a version of 8 1/2 where the subtitles were intelligable for most of the film.

And Anita Ekberg is fucking hot.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:40:55 PM »

Quote from: RoboJ on February 12, 2007, 01:40:17 PM

I've only seen 8 1/2 and La Dolce Vida. I'm gonna say the latter for now, but I would need to see a version of 8 1/2 where the subtitles were intelligable for most of the film.

*ahem*

http://www.amazon.com/8-1-2-Criterion-Collection/dp/B00005QAPH/sr=8-1/qid=1171304426/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1563960-6845546?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:45:30 PM »

The greatest Italian filmmaker of all-time is DARIO ARGENTO.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:45:47 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 01:45:30 PM

The greatest Italian filmmaker of all-time is DARIO ARGENTO.

Yeah... no.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:46:32 PM »

Yeah... YES

TVC15 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:51:32 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 01:46:32 PM

Yeah... YES

The big boys are having a talk, Willco. And besides, Argento's output is mixed in quality, at best.

I don't like the fancier italian directors so much. They have their moments. I have to go with Sergio Leone.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:52:33 PM »

I don't consider Leone an Italian director. I mean, he hails from Italy and filmed there, but his most well known movies are American stories.

TVC15 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:55:31 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 01:52:33 PM

I don't consider Leone an Italian director. I mean, he hails from Italy and filmed there, but his most well known movies are American stories.

So just because he made westerns, that means he's an American filmmaker?

Himu · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2007, 01:56:05 PM »

Spaghetti Westerns.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:01:22 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 01:55:31 PM

So just because he made westerns, that means he's an American filmmaker?

Outside of spaghetti westerns, he's known for Once Upon a Time in America. And that's about it. He made American stories with American actors for American audiences that were distributed by American companies. Leone rocks, but he's very Americanized.

Argento has a lot of stuff that's never seen the light of day here. Most American audiences know of Suspiria and that's about it. He even wrote one of Leone's best films! And produced George Romero's best film.

TVC15 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:05:08 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 02:01:22 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 01:55:31 PM
So just because he made westerns, that means he's an American filmmaker?

Outside of spaghetti westerns, he's known for Once Upon a Time in America. And that's about it. He made American stories with American actors for American audiences that were distributed by American companies. Leone rocks, but he's very Americanized.

Argento has a lot of stuff that's never seen the light of day here. Most American audiences know of Suspiria and that's about it. He even wrote one of Leone's best films! And produced George Romero's best film.

So just because he, an Italian, filmed 2 movies in America, he's an American filmmaker? I don't think targeting your movies at a foreign audience changes your nationality, or the places where you filmed, or where and how you learned to make movies.

Robo · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:05:47 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 12, 2007, 01:40:55 PM

Quote from: RoboJ on February 12, 2007, 01:40:17 PM
I've only seen 8 1/2 and La Dolce Vida. I'm gonna say the latter for now, but I would need to see a version of 8 1/2 where the subtitles were intelligable for most of the film.

*ahem*

http://www.amazon.com/8-1-2-Criterion-Collection/dp/B00005QAPH/sr=8-1/qid=1171304426/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1563960-6845546?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

My wallet says "some other time, buddy boy." I'm aware of the Criterion version, but it's out of my price range for now and not a particularly high priority.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:07:22 PM »

Willco, there's no way you're going to convince anyone that Dario Argento is better than Fellini.

And, at best I'd put Leone, who was an Italian filmmaker, a few paces behind Fellini.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:07:37 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 02:05:08 PM

So just because he, an Italian, filmed 2 movies in America, he's an American filmmaker? I don't think targeting your movies at a foreign audience changes your nationality, or the places where you filmed, or where and how you learned to make movies.

He's from Italy, but he's very Americanized and that's my whole point. He has like, what, 10 films under his belt? And more than half were for American audiences featuring American actors in America distributed by American companies.

If Takashi Miike spent most of his entire career filming American stories with American actors to be released in America, but he just chose to film them in Japan, would we really hail him as a great Japanese filmmaker? I really doubt it.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:08:37 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake

Willco, there's no way you're going to convince anyone that Dario Argento is better than Fellini.

That's your problem, not mine!

TVC15 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:09:18 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 02:07:37 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 02:05:08 PM
So just because he, an Italian, filmed 2 movies in America, he's an American filmmaker? I don't think targeting your movies at a foreign audience changes your nationality, or the places where you filmed, or where and how you learned to make movies.

He's from Italy, but he's very Americanized and that's my whole point. He has like, what, 10 films under his belt? And more than half were for American audiences featuring American actors in America distributed by American companies.

If Takashi Miike spent most of his entire career filming American stories with American actors to be released in America, but he just chose to film them in Japan, would we really hail him as a great Japanese filmmaker? I really doubt it.

Alright, I'm not going to concede because your idea that Sergio Leone is an American filmmaker is PD-style distinguished mentally-challenged, but even ignoring that, Argento's output is extremely mixed, completely inconsistent, and his work in the 90s (and beyond) has been mostly bad.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:10:46 PM »

It must be hard being the only one who agrees with yourself.

Argento is a B-grade director with a few good films under his belt. Fellini was a true auteur who lived and breathed cinema, and whose filmography is by and large chock full of great, classic films.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:11:47 PM »

You never answered my question about Miike, probably because you can't! Does anybody call John Woo a Chinese director anymore? His Hong Kong body of work is about equal percentage-wise to that of Leone's Italian : US work.

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It must be hard being the only one who agrees with yourself.

You're putting your face in the bosom of the man that likes Godard, so I roll my eyes with that one.

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Argento is a B-grade director with a few good films under his belt. Fellini was a true auteur who lived and breathed cinema, and whose filmography is by and large chock full of great, classic films.

TVC15 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:14:27 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 02:11:47 PM

You never answered my question about Miike, probably because you can't! Does anybody call John Woo a Chinese director anymore? His Hong Kong body of work is about equal percentage-wise to that of Leone's.

Answer my critique of Argento. If you think someone with output as inconsistent as his is the best Italian filmmaker, ugh I don't even know how to finish this sentence.

And of course John Woo is a Hong Kong director. He's just spent the last decade making movies for America. Making American movies doesn't change his nationality. His American movies have generally been US market friendly takes on material similar to his HK shaz.

Of course, he's a shitty director, though.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:15:24 PM »

Federico Fellini > Sergio Leone >>>> Dario Argento >>>>>>>>>> John Woo

Discussion over.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:18:28 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 02:14:27 PM

Answer my critique of Argento. If you think someone with output as inconsistent as his is the best Italian filmmaker, ugh I don't even know how to finish this sentence.

I just completely disagree with you - what's there to answer. Argento is easily the most talented of the Italian filmmakers, as he has written screenplays (and a great one too!), produced some great films and done music on many. He's severely underrated, because his non-Suspiria (an awesome film in its own right) stuff, like Tenebre and Deep Red never see the light of day here. Argento rocks. Even his children are hot (mmm, Asia).

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And of course John Woo is a Hong Kong director. He's just spent the last decade making movies for America. Making American movies doesn't change his nationality. His American movies have generally been US market friendly takes on material similar to his HK shaz.

Nobody refers to him as a HK director. He's too Americanized.

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Of course, he's a shitty director, though.

I

'd at that one.

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 12, 2007, 02:15:24 PM

Federico Fellini > Sergio Leone >>>> Dario Argento >>>>>>>>>> John Woo

Discussion over.

Nope.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #27 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:19:10 PM »

Uh, wtf? I refer to John Woo as a Hong Kong director.

TVC15 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:19:31 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 02:18:28 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 02:14:27 PM
Answer my critique of Argento. If you think someone with output as inconsistent as his is the best Italian filmmaker, ugh I don't even know how to finish this sentence.

I just completely disagree with you - what's there to answer. Argento is easily the most talented of the Italian filmmakers, as he has written screenplays (and a great one too!), produced some great films and done music on many. He's severely underrated, because his non-Suspiria (an awesome film in its own right) stuff, like Tenebre and Deep Red never see the light of day here. Argento rocks. Even his children are hot (mmm, Asia).

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And of course John Woo is a Hong Kong director. He's just spent the last decade making movies for America. Making American movies doesn't change his nationality. His American movies have generally been US market friendly takes on material similar to his HK shaz.

Nobody refers to him as a HK director. He's too Americanized.

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Of course, he's a shitty director, though.

I 'd at that one.

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 12, 2007, 02:15:24 PM
Federico Fellini > Sergio Leone >>>> Dario Argento >>>>>>>>>> John Woo

Discussion over.

Nope.

You're right, Willco. John Woo is definitely as American as John Wayne, and EVERYONE says so.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #29 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:20:46 PM »

Willco must live in a backwards world different from ours, where they never quote Evil Dead as long as it helps him in an argument, and Miike, Woo, and Leone are considered American directors.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #30 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:21:08 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 12, 2007, 02:19:10 PM

Uh, wtf? I refer to John Woo as a Hong Kong director.

Yeah, right. This coming from the guy who says Evil Dead is quoted more than The Godfather. You're just argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Come back to me when you can get to TVC level of antagonism, please.

Quote from: TVC 15

You're right, Willco. John Woo is definitely as American as John Wayne, and EVERYONE says so.

Pretty much. I bet if you were to ask on the street if John Woo was an American director, most of the unwashed masses would say YES.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #31 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:21:52 PM »

THINGS I SAY ARE TRUE BECAUSE I SAY THEM, ASK ANYONE!

What a pathetic stunt.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #32 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:22:20 PM »

No, what's pathetic is claming Evil Dead is quoted more than The Godfather

Robo · « **Reply #33 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:23:35 PM »

You make it sound as if Leone didn't release those films in Italy at all. Spaghetti westerns were extremely popular in Italy at the time, despite being American/Mexican stories. Saying he made them for American audiences is only a half-truth.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #34 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:23:45 PM »

And TVC, I'm not saying Leone or Woo are American directors, but I don't think it's fair to critique their comparative catalogs to those of true foriegn filmmakers when most of their work is very much American.

Quote from: RoboJ on February 12, 2007, 02:23:35 PM

You make it sound as if Leone didn't release those films in Italy at all. Spaghetti westerns were extremely popular in Italy at the time, despite being American/Mexican stories. Saying he made them for American audiences is only a half-truth.

No, but Leone knew where his bread was buttered and it was with American audiences. He made them for American audiences. The American western was just very popular in Italy at the time, so it was a win-win situation.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #35 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:25:52 PM »

Everyone versus Willco!

Robo: The CC is definitely worth the cash. Image also has a single disc for a fraction of the price though.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #36 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:29:09 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 12, 2007, 02:25:52 PM

Everyone versus Willco!

You wish. Unlike you, what people think is irrelevant. Obviously you take emotional stock into what people say. Go find your crazy Evil Dead-quoting friends, the ones that quote it all the time non-stop, and those crazed millions of fans that claim Raiders is a life-changing, flawless masterpiece to tell them about how you rallied your troops (all three) against the Internet villain, Will Federman.

Or post more on evilbore because you don't have friends.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #37 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:29:54 PM »

What? You're mosre incoherant than am nintenho when you're mad, Willy...

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #38 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:30:18 PM »

I forgot this part:

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 12, 2007, 02:29:54 PM

What? You're mosre incoherant than am nintenho when you're mad, Willy...

So now you can't read either.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #39 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:31:30 PM »

Man, I wish TVC would argue some more so someone worthwhile could post in this thread.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #40 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:31:40 PM »

Someone's catching feelings.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #41 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:32:14 PM »

Catching feelings? Now who's being incoherent.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #42 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:33:11 PM »

Anyway, please leave my thread if you have nothing worthwhile to post about Fellini's films, Willco.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #43 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:33:51 PM »

Maybe he should've made some worthwhile films, Shake.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #44 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:36:05 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 02:33:51 PM

Maybe he should've made some worthwhile films, Shake.

You're just blind trolling now, Willco. You mean, make worthwhile films like Pelts and Jenifer?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #45 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:40:43 PM »

What, did you just go to imdb and find out that he directed episodes of a TV show? Have you seen either, by the way? Pelts was pretty entertaining. Although, they're not films. You probably didn't know that.

Fellini is just a pretentious art fart guy, like Godard. He's a convenient name drop, so that if you're in a room with TVC-like film snobs, you guys can cum in your pants. When in reality, his films are boring and his filmography is easily outmatched by superior Italian born directors like Bertolucci, Argento and Leone (he was born there, this is true, TVC!).

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #46 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:43:59 PM »

Pelts and Jenifer were both MoH episodes, correct? And since when does "entertaining" B-movie fluff top the superior works of Fellini, Willco? Oh, right. In you're disturbed, warped little mind.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #47 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:46:55 PM »

Have you ever watched Deep Red, Tenebre or Suspiria? Maybe the latter, I'm guessing. Which, by the way, is a highly accomplished and well directed film. Fellini is only superior if you live in a world where you believe Evil Dead is quoted more than The Godfather. Could Fellini produce what is now known as a classic in the horror genre (I'm talking Dawn of the Dead)? Could Fellini work on scores, memorable scores, for multiple films? Could Fellini write fantastic screenplays (that were not directed by him)?

Because Argento did, in addition to directing a bunch of good, entetertaining films and a couple of awesome ones.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #48 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:48:09 PM »

Fellini didn't work in the horror genre, so no, I don't think he "produce what is now known as a classic in the horror genre".

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #49 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:49:14 PM »

And Argento did not work solely in horror. Some of his best work is in suspense/thriller category. Shows how much you know about Argento! At least I tried to sit La Dolce Vita.

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 12, 2007, 02:48:09 PM

...so no, I don't think he "produce what is now known as a classic in the horror genre".

Are you disputing Dawn of the Dead is considered a landmark film and a classic in horror? I can show you a bunch of lists, including critics, that would say otherwise. And I'm not talking Fangoria.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #50 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:51:59 PM »

I'm talking about Fellini, dude. Keep up.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #51 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:53:22 PM »

That's why I asked you to clarify if you were trying to be sarcastic and insult Argento, which you obviously didn't read because you're too busy telling your Evil Dead-quoting friends to PIPE DOWN.

If this is your idea of film debate, I'm going to get MSN working again so I can go online and have TVC berate me. At least he can read!

Robo · « **Reply #52 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:53:28 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 02:23:45 PM

No, but Leone knew where his bread was buttered and it was with American audiences. He made them for American audiences. The American western was just very popular in Italy at the time, so it was a win-win situation.

That is debatable. The American western was popular in Italy before the onset of spaghetti westerns. How could he have known that a film starring a relatively unknown American actor with a supporting cast of overdubbed Italians would be even remotely successful in a country where Hollywood is giving the public the legitmate thing? Being successful in America is where the win-win comes into play.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #53 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:54:57 PM »

Willco, please leave my thread if you're going to do nothing but troll and spout incoherant bullshit.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #54 on:** February 12, 2007, 02:57:08 PM »

Quote from: RoboJ on February 12, 2007, 02:53:28 PM

How could he have known that a film starring a relatively unknown American actor with a supporting cast of overdubbed Italians would be even remotely successful in a country where Hollywood is giving the public the legitmate thing?

I'm going to dispute this, for sure. Eastwood was definitely not an unknown. He was a very well known TV actor. It'd be like Clooney making the jump to movies. His first pick as Henry Fonda, so this was always meant to be sent to America.

TVC15 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:13:38 PM »

I like how one of Willco's arguments in favor of Argento is that a lot of his movies haven't been released outside of Italy. That sure is a sign of quality, especially coming from such an inconsistent director as Argento.

Robo · « **Reply #56 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:17:08 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 02:57:08 PM

Quote from: RoboJ on February 12, 2007, 02:53:28 PM
How could he have known that a film starring a relatively unknown American actor with a supporting cast of overdubbed Italians would be even remotely successful in a country where Hollywood is giving the public the legitmate thing?

I'm going to dispute this, for sure. Eastwood was definitely not an unknown. He was a very well known TV actor. It'd be like Clooney making the jump to movies. His first pick as Henry Fonda, so this was always meant to be sent to America.

I won't doubt that it was meant to be released in America. I'm doubting that the prime audience was intented to be American. There was already a secured audience in Italy and being the first spaghetti western film released internationally, its success was merely a welcomed biproduct. Also Eastwood is a total moron in Rawhide. I'll give you that he was well known, but from watching that show, I think it would have been an exceptionally risky casting move had it's success been riding on the States reception. The whole thing was risky, and probably why Fonda and Charles Bronson both turned down the role.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #57 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:21:46 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 03:13:38 PM

I like how one of Willco's arguments in favor of Argento is that a lot of his movies haven't been released outside of Italy. That sure is a sign of quality, especially coming from such an inconsistent director as Argento.

That's not my argument in favor of Argento at all, you loveable scamp, you.

Solo · « **Reply #58 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:23:02 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 12, 2007, 01:39:14 PM

Federico Fellini is a famous director, heralded by many as the greatest Italian filmmaker of all time.

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 01:45:30 PM

The greatest Italian filmmaker of all-time is DARIO ARGENTO.

You guys are both out of your fucking trees. The greatest Italian filmmaker who ever lived was...

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 01:51:32 PM

Sergio Leone.

Thread saved by Whitey. There was some serious blasphemy up until this point. And dont give me and range or quantity of films garbage. A Fistful of Dollars, For A Few Dollars More, and especially The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly and Once Opon A Time In The West ALONE cement him as one of the alltime greats. He's my personal #1, just ahead of Kubrick and Hitchcock.

Leone is probably my single greatest inspiration in film.

TVC15 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 12, 2007, 03:23:21 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 12, 2007, 03:21:46 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 12, 2007, 03:13:38 PM
I like how one of Willco's arguments in favor of Argento is that a lot of his movies haven't been released outside of Italy. That sure is a sign of quality, especially coming from such an inconsistent director as Argento.

That's not my argument in favor of Argento at all, you loveable scamp, you.

You said "Argento has a lot of stuff that's never seen the light of day here" like it's a good thing, when it almost certainly is not.

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