Author Topic: Are Kubrick fans look down upon in film circles? (Read 5234 times)

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #60 on:** February 13, 2007, 06:52:55 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2007, 06:52:29 PM

I never ever said they are the gods of cinema. Not even close.

We all know where your allegiance lies, dude.

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #61 on:** February 13, 2007, 06:54:01 PM »

God forbid my favorite movie is a movie i enjoy and watched alot.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #62 on:** February 13, 2007, 06:55:30 PM »

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2007, 06:54:01 PM

God forbid my favorite movie is a movie i enjoy and watched alot.

Yet people that find more entertainment in Kubrick films are snobby elitists? Grow up, dude.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #63 on:** February 13, 2007, 06:58:22 PM »

my favorite movie -- Raiders -- ain't so hot on a technical level. i wish Kubrick had directed it!

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #64 on:** February 13, 2007, 06:58:44 PM »

Quote from: Drinky Crow on February 13, 2007, 06:58:22 PM

my favorite movie -- Raiders -- ain't so hot on a technical level. i wish Kubrick had directed it!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #65 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:06:45 PM »

Who even argues that Lucas is a mastermind director? The best Star Wars is the first one he didn't direct - Empire Strikes Back. As Willco said, he's respected as a great storyteller in film. I just wish he would have gotten together with Spielberg for more stuff; let Steven direct, George come up with the story, and whoever wrote RAIDERS write it. Over and over again. That would be awesome.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #66 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:08:55 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2007, 07:06:45 PM

Who even argues that Lucas is a mastermind director? The best Star Wars is the first one he didn't direct - Empire Strikes Back. As Willco said, he's respected as a great storyteller in film. I just wish he would have gotten together with Spielberg for more stuff; let Steven direct, George come up with the story, and whoever wrote RAIDERS write it. Over and over again. That would be awesome.

Dude, do you think your average moviegoer knows this? They think Lucas directed all six Star Wars films, and thus is a genius beyond all reasonable doubt. The hard truth -- most people are fucking morons.

makaveli · « **Reply #67 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:10:14 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 13, 2007, 06:33:35 PM

Quote from: makaveli on February 13, 2007, 06:28:02 PM
goddamn you people take your movies seriously
you take black people too seriously.

lmao your obsessed with me

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #68 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:12:27 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 13, 2007, 07:08:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2007, 07:06:45 PM
Who even argues that Lucas is a mastermind director? The best Star Wars is the first one he didn't direct - Empire Strikes Back. As Willco said, he's respected as a great storyteller in film. I just wish he would have gotten together with Spielberg for more stuff; let Steven direct, George come up with the story, and whoever wrote RAIDERS write it. Over and over again. That would be awesome.

Dude, do you think your average moviegoer knows this? They think Lucas directed all six Star Wars films, and thus is a genius beyond all reasonable doubt. The hard truth -- most people are fucking morons.

True. The jump in quality from ANH to ESB is amazing. Obviously a lot of that can be credited to the great story Lucas came up with, but Kershner's direction was also very key. He made it more than just a sci fi adventure movie by adding layers of drama that had nothing to do with the action.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #69 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:14:32 PM »

Hell, I've had to PROVE to friends by hitting up IMDB that Lucas didn't direct ESB or RotJ, and even THEN they assume IMDB is just incorrect.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #70 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:21:16 PM »

He's definitely a great talent. And he did direct American Graffiti which is considered his masterpiece from a directoral perspective.

Now that he's done with big budget Star Wars movies he has time to direct the movies he wants. Can't wait to see the tuskegee movie; that could be fucking badass, especially if he gets together a good cast (Denzel and Dennis Haysworth PLZ no Jamie Foxx)

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #71 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:22:57 PM »

You actually believe that crap? Lucas has been talking about doing other projects for decades, yet always comes back to retinker the Star Wars universe. Its hard to believe he's still capable of anything else.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #72 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:25:01 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 13, 2007, 07:22:57 PM

You actually believe that crap? Lucas has been talking about doing other projects for decades, yet always comes back to retinker the Star Wars universe. Its hard to believe he's still capable of anything else.

I think he'll feel rejuvinated once Indy 4 is done, especially if it becomes successful. I certainly don't want to see him waste away his life doing TV shit. Spielberg is still making amazing movies

Himu · « **Reply #73 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:26:41 PM »

Spielberg. Meh.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #74 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:27:18 PM »

Spielberg has always been keeping himself busy, though. For the last 30 years Lucas has done nothing really new with his career, apart from the Indy series (which, oddly enough, is still being milked as well).

Himu · « **Reply #75 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:29:05 PM »

Lucas's influence has even managed to come onto his game company Lucasarts. They used to do top of the line non Star Wars shit and hten all of a suddent Ep1 comes and they stop and only develop/publish SW games. Fuck Lucas. I hate him.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #76 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:29:31 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on February 13, 2007, 07:29:05 PM

Lucas's influence has even managed to come onto his game company Lucasarts. They used to do top of the line non Star Wars shit and hten all of a suddent Ep1 comes and they stop and only develop/publish SW games. Fuck Lucas. I hate him.

There's that, too.

Cheebs · « **Reply #77 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:37:07 PM »

Shake Lucas DID direct ROTJ. He isn't credited for it however. It turned out Marquand was in over his head and Lucas took over un-credited. The direct of ESB and the actors all cite this but Lucas won't go on record out of respect to the dead director. But it is safe to say ROTJ is directed by Lucas.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #78 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:38:13 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 13, 2007, 07:37:07 PM

Shake Lucas DID direct ROTJ. He isn't credited for it however. It turned out Marquand was in over his head and Lucas took over un-credited. The direct of ESB and the actors all cite this but Lucas won't go on record out of respect to the dead director. But it is safe to say ROTJ is directed by Lucas.

I've already had this argument at GAF. If he's not credited at all as Director, then I don't consider him the director.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #79 on:** February 13, 2007, 07:44:51 PM »

That's a shitty idea.

Cheebs · « **Reply #80 on:** February 13, 2007, 09:42:58 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 13, 2007, 07:38:13 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 13, 2007, 07:37:07 PM
Shake Lucas DID direct ROTJ. He isn't credited for it however. It turned out Marquand was in over his head and Lucas took over un-credited. The direct of ESB and the actors all cite this but Lucas won't go on record out of respect to the dead director. But it is safe to say ROTJ is directed by Lucas.

I've already had this argument at GAF. If he's not credited at all as Director, then I don't consider him the director.

so who gets paid is more important than who did the work?

Solo · « **Reply #81 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:18:17 AM »

Im late to this distinguished mentally-challenged debate. My 2 cents: who gives a shit? I love Kubrick dearly, despite the fact that many people love to hate on him. Yes, his films are cold and detached, but thats always been part of his charm for me.

In conclusion: like what you like, Himu, and fuck what others think.

Cheebs · « **Reply #82 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:25:18 AM »

Quote from: Solo on February 14, 2007, 08:18:17 AM

Im late to this distinguished mentally-challenged debate. My 2 cents: who gives a shit? I love Kubrick dearly, despite the fact that many people love to hate on him. Yes, his films are cold and detached, but thats always been part of his charm for me.

In conclusion: like what you like, Himu, and fuck what others think.

I am curious what your view is on the ROTJ directing "debacle" a post are two up. Do you agree that whoever is paid and is in the credits deserves the title of director of a film or the one who does all the directing but remains un-credited for it due to reasons of paying Marquand and the like?

Solo · « **Reply #83 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:29:09 AM »

I think I wouldnt want my name attached as director of ROTJ either

WELL PLAYED GEORGE

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #84 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:29:43 AM »

Fuck you Cheebs.

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Cheebs · « **Reply #85 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:30:52 AM »

Quote from: Solo on February 14, 2007, 08:29:09 AM

I think I wouldnt want my name attached as director of ROTJ either WELL PLAYED GEORGE

I said ignoring your views on the film!

Thinking about as films as a WHOLE not your views on star wars. Which would you consider the director(assuming you knew someone elese directed the film un-credited) on a film?

Solo · « **Reply #86 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:32:14 AM »

I think in a case where the hired director doesnt do the job, and the film is ghost-directed, then the credit should go to Alan Smithee.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #87 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:33:12 AM »

The Marquand stuff has always struck me as revisionist bullshit, to try and undermine whatever work he DID do on the film so as not to hit any snags on the SE versions.

Cheebs · « **Reply #88 on:** February 14, 2007, 08:54:12 AM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 14, 2007, 08:33:12 AM

The Marquand stuff has always struck me as revisionist bullshit, to try and undermine whatever work he DID do on the film so as not to hit any snags on the SE versions.

No it is not. This has been said since the film came out. The ESB director has stated Marquand did not direct it but Lucas with help from his(the esb director's) assistant. Carrie Fisher continues to call Lucas the director of ROTJ, and a camera man on ROTJ quit saying he did not like how Lucas took over the project from Lucas. Lucas refuses to officially say anything out of respect but he has a few times slipped and called himself the director.
Apparently Lucas let Marquand direct some of the close ups and that it, since he was very poor at doing the epic sci-fi stuff and did not understand the sfx.

Also look at any behind the scene footage of ROTJ. You ALWAYS see Lucas on set "directing" and talking to the crew and cast. You rarely see Marquand.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #89 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:06:29 AM »

Well then, credit it to Alan Smithee, like Solo suggested.

Cheebs · « **Reply #90 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:09:59 AM »

I agree. I think he did it because Marquand was not in the best of health and died a few short years after it hit theaters. But Alan Smithee would make the most sense, but in the end Lucas did not direct the best directed episode in the saga as is.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #91 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:10:46 AM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2007, 10:09:59 AM

I agree. I think he did it because Marquand was not in the best of health and died a few short years after it hit theaters. But Alan Smithee would make the most sense, but in the end Lucas did not direct the best directed episode in the saga as is.

Whoa... RotJ, the best episode? Have you seen Empire Strikes Back or what?

makaveli · « **Reply #92 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:18:09 AM »

do you actuale think your gonna change it others minds

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #93 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:19:26 AM »

Quote from: makaveli on February 14, 2007, 10:18:09 AM

do you actuale think your gonna change it others minds

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #94 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:21:22 AM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 14, 2007, 10:19:26 AM

Quote from: makaveli on February 14, 2007, 10:18:09 AM
do you actuale think your gonna change it others minds

am nintendo is cloning himself

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #95 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:21:54 AM »

but do you actuale think this am true

Cheebs · « **Reply #96 on:** February 14, 2007, 12:04:17 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 14, 2007, 10:10:46 AM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2007, 10:09:59 AM
I agree. I think he did it because Marquand was not in the best of health and died a few short years after it hit theaters. But Alan Smithee would make the most sense, but in the end Lucas did not direct the best directed episode in the saga as is.

Whoa... RotJ, the best episode? Have you seen Empire Strikes Back or what?

I said Lucas did NOT direct the best episode in the saga.

That is ESB since that is the only episode he did no direct.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #97 on:** February 14, 2007, 12:11:48 PM »

But, officially, he didn't direct RotJ either.

Cheebs · « **Reply #98 on:** February 14, 2007, 12:15:50 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 14, 2007, 12:11:48 PM

But, officially, he didn't direct RotJ either.

He directed the movie even though his name is not on it. Superman II never mentioned Donner's name yet he still directed 45%~ of the film.

The lack of a credit does not erase one's work.

Ian McDirmad did not get a credit for ESB on the DVD, does that mean he never was in it? Same with James Earl Jones and ROTS.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #99 on:** February 14, 2007, 12:17:46 PM »

That's because James Earl Jones was ashamed to be in Revenge of the Sith. It was his worst moment in movie history...

"NOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Cheebs · « **Reply #100 on:** February 14, 2007, 12:19:54 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 14, 2007, 12:17:46 PM

That's because James Earl Jones was ashamed to be in Revenge of the Sith. It was his worst moment in movie history...

"NOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO!"

James Earl Jones rambled about how excited he was for that one scene for like 5 years before ROTS even came out, it was getting weird.

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Author Topic: Are Kubrick fans look down upon in film circles? (Read 5234 times)