Author Topic: God Damnit Rudy, I LIKED YOU (Read 2326 times)

Cheebs · « **on:** February 15, 2007, 05:08:50 PM »

Rudy Guiliani replaced John McCain a few years back for me as the maverick GOP guy that I liked. I admired that he stuck by his anti-gun, pro-gay, and pro-choice stances even though he is pro-surge in Iraq and so on. I always had that liberal social side to him that made me overlook it. He announced the other day and did a big interview on Larry King so I decided to check it out to see what he is saying now that he is officially in the race.

HE WENT BACK ON ALL THE POSITIONS. He said he was anti-gun for NYC but USA is different so he is pro-gun for the whole country. Ok, thats fine. Guns never been an important issue to me that much.

Next was pro-choice. He said he is personally still pro-choice but he'll nominate strict contructionists to the Supreme Court like Scalia and Clarence Thomas. Who would obviously over-turn Roe v. Wade. He said abortion wasn't that important of an issue when making nominations. Then for the gay thing. The mayor who lived with 3 gay guys and marched in the gay pride parade said he doesn't support gays getting married and marriage should be between a man and a women.

WHAT THE FUCK RUDY. Why did you pull a McCain on me? :'(

Mupepe · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:10:29 PM »

Because he's a politician.

Cheebs · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:12:15 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on February 15, 2007, 05:10:29 PM

Because he's a politician.

I watched another post-announcement interview of him today, again he seems to have switched sides on all the social issues. $:-\$

Didn't he realize there was A LOT of liberals who may have over looked his Iraq stance because he was socially progressive? Ugh.

Mupepe · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:13:08 PM »

Yeah, but then he realized most liberals smoke out on Election Day and visit McDonalds instead of the Poll Booths $:-\$

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:13:20 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 15, 2007, 05:08:50 PM

Rudy Guiliani replaced John McCain a few years back for me as the maverick GOP guy that I liked. I admired that he stuck by his anti-gun, pro-gay, and pro-choice stances even though he is pro-surge in Iraq and so on. I always had that liberal social side to him that made me overlook it. He announced the other day and did a big interview on Larry King so I decided to check it out to see what he is saying now that he is officially in the race.

HE WENT BACK ON ALL THE POSITIONS. He said he was anti-gun for NYC but USA is different so he is pro-gun for the whole country. Ok, thats fine. Guns never been an important issue to me that much.

Next was pro-choice. He said he is personally still pro-choice but he'll nominate strict contructionists to the Supreme Court like Scalia and Clarence Thomas. Who would obviously over-turn Roe v. Wade. He said abortion wasn't that important of an issue when making nominations. Then for the gay thing. The mayor who lived with 3 gay guys and marched in the gay pride parade said he doesn't support gays getting married and marriage should be between a man and a women.

WHAT THE FUCK RUDY. Why did you pull a McCain on me? :'(

More "OMG they're going to overturn Roe v Wade" talk? I expect that from far left wackos, not you Cheebs

Cheebs · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:14:33 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2007, 05:13:20 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 15, 2007, 05:08:50 PM
Rudy Guiliani replaced John McCain a few years back for me as the maverick GOP guy that I liked. I admired that he stuck by his anti-gun, pro-gay, and pro-choice stances even though he is pro-surge in Iraq and so on. I always had that liberal social side to him that made me overlook it. He announced the other day and did a big interview on Larry King so I decided to check it out to see what he is saying now that he is officially in the race.

HE WENT BACK ON ALL THE POSITIONS. He said he was anti-gun for NYC but USA is different so he is pro-gun for the whole country. Ok, thats fine. Guns never been an important issue to me that much.

Next was pro-choice. He said he is personally still pro-choice but he'll nominate strict contructionists to the Supreme Court like Scalia and Clarence Thomas. Who would obviously over-turn Roe v. Wade. He said abortion wasn't that important of an issue when making nominations. Then for the gay thing. The mayor who lived with 3 gay guys and marched in the gay pride parade said he doesn't support gays getting married and marriage should be between a man and a women.

WHAT THE FUCK RUDY. Why did you pull a McCain on me? :'(

More "OMG they're going to overturn Roe v Wade" talk? I expect that from far left wackos, not you Cheebs

I am not stupid. His nominees would but the opportunity won't present itself.

But the fact he is going against his moral stance since his political career began is what troubles me.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:16:13 PM »

Politicians don't have morals lolz

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:17:55 PM »

Do you have a link? I know he announced his candidacy today, but I haven't heard anything about him being anti gay marriage all of a sudden.

It would definitely help his campaign even more, but I'd lose lots of respect for him

Cheebs · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:22:57 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2007, 05:17:55 PM

Do you have a link? I know he announced his candidacy today, but I haven't heard anything about him being anti gay marriage all of a sudden.

It would definitely help his campaign even more, but I'd lose lots of respect for him

The only clip for it on you tube is of him saying he supports the surge, I am looking around.

Cheebs · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:28:51 PM »

Got a transcript. This from mr. gay pride parade man himself. $:-\$

Quote

GIULIANI: Gays should be protected. I signed The Domestic Partnership Law in New York. But the way I'm portrayed by my opponents -- and I guess to drive people away from me -- is that I'm in favor of gay marriage. I am not. I did 220 weddings. They were all between a man and a woman. I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman. At least, I hope they were all between a man and a woman. It looked that way at the time.

But, yes, I believe that marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman and that the way to handle this, and the way to handle respect and everything else is to have something like domestic partnership, which I support.

Everyone with a chance on the GOP side always supported domestic partnership stuff, even Bush. To see him steer away from gay marriage is sad. His excuse to say he was always in support of non-gay marriage is he did only man/women marriages? Of course they were that because that is all that is legal in NY.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:36:52 PM »

Looks like he'll win now. He's already leading McCain by double digits in the "polls" (shudder) and he's ahead of Hillary and Obama too. The only democrat who could stop him is Gore - and he's not running.

Mupepe · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:39:37 PM »

Gore is ugly.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:40:14 PM »

Well, this certainly wasn't unexpected as he gets closer to primaries where he has to appeal to Scary Conservative Base People.

Honestly, too, the thing that bothers me the most is him saying "I'm going to put strict constructionist judges on the bench". That's a blatant appeal to wacko base people and flies in the face of everything he's said he stands for in the past, at least as far as I know.

The whole gay thing is just sad, and in 50 years we'll be looking back at it like people are looking back at the civil rights era and shaking our head at the stupidity of the thing. Personally, I believe that any two people dumb enough to get married deserve to, regardless of gender.

Mupepe · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:47:45 PM »

Everyone has the right to be miserable. Let those fucks get married.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:51:33 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on February 15, 2007, 05:47:45 PM

Everyone has the right to be miserable. Let those fucks get married.

EXACTLY. It's the same way I view gays in the military: if ANYONE is actually DUMB ENOUGH to want to do that, LET THEM.

Cheebs · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:53:03 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2007, 05:36:52 PM

Looks like he'll win now. He's already leading McCain by double digits in the "polls" (shudder) and he's ahead of Hillary and Obama too. The only democrat who could stop him is Gore - and he's not running.

Ironically I feel Obama would do better against McCain than Hillary but the opposite is true for Rudy.

The only way to beat Rudy is to dig up the dirty stuff he has in his closet, and using that dirt is below-the-belt type of personal life stuff, but it would work.

Hillary's "deck your opponents" view would be the only type who would go after that stuff.

Cheebs · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2007, 10:17:54 AM »

Here is the final nail in the coffin for my respect of this man. Also it clears away his path to the nomination.

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Giuliani to speak at Pat Robertson's University, two weeks before Romney
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former New York City Mayor and GOP presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani will speak at Pat Robertson's Regent University in April, the school announced Thursday.

The news comes a day after it was announced that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, one of Giuliani's chief rivals for the Republican presidential nomination, will deliver Regent's commencement address on May 5.

Giuliani will be the featured speaker at the University's Executive Leadership Series on April 17. The forum will be available to both Regent students and members of the community, according to Regent spokeswoman Sherri Stocks.

"Having provided strong leadership during critical times uniquely qualifies Mayor Rudy Giuliani to speak to Regent students and local community members," Stocks told CNN.

Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition and a GOP presidential candidate in 1988, has not endorsed the candidacies of either Giuliani or Romney.

bagofeyes · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2007, 10:43:03 AM »

hes a scumbag

Beezy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:41:01 PM »

Quote from: bagofeyes on February 16, 2007, 10:43:03 AM

hes a scumbag

Yep.

APF · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:12:26 PM »

IIRC Dean spoke at one of those Universities right after the McCain speech.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:19:02 PM »

Quote from: APF on February 16, 2007, 07:12:26 PM

IIRC Dean spoke at one of those Universities right after the McCain speech.

Link? I didn't know that lolz

APF · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:25:37 PM »

All I could find is Dean speaking on the 700 Club, so maybe that's what I was thinking about:

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22howard+dean%22+%22700+club%22&btnG=Search

Cheebs · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:26:15 PM »

Appearing on his show is a bit different than giving a speech with him at his college. Dean wasn't there to SIDE with Pat Robertson. Rudy is doing it to cozy up to Pat.

APF · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:47:46 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2007, 07:26:15 PM

Appearing on his show is a bit different than giving a speech with him at his college. Dean wasn't there to SIDE with Pat Robertson. Rudy is doing it to cozy up to Pat.

Are you sure about that?

Howard Dean: Democrats Have Much in Common with Evangelicals

Is it ok for Dems to "outreach" to these folks but not for Republican moderates? I humbly disagree.

Cheebs · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:48:48 PM »

Quote from: APF on February 16, 2007, 07:47:46 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2007, 07:26:15 PM
Appearing on his show is a bit different than giving a speech with him at his college. Dean wasn't there to SIDE with Pat Robertson. Rudy is doing it to cozy up to Pat.
Are you sure about that?

Howard Dean: Democrats Have Much in Common with Evangelicals

Is it ok for Dems to "outreach" to these folks but not for Republican moderates? I humbly disagree.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #25 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:52:26 PM »

Likewise, is it ok for liberal pastors to advocate political positions and legislate from the pullpit? Obama's preacher is pretty damn radical to say the least, and if we are to critisize fundemental pastor's how preach politics in church we should hold the same standards to others.

Cheebs · « **Reply #26 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:54:36 PM »

All priests/pastors should shut the fuck up about politics.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #27 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:55:40 PM »

Or lose their tax exempt status if they refuse to

Cheebs · « **Reply #28 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:58:06 PM »

Democrats don't want to shut up the black churchs and baptists who tend to support them, Republicans don't want to shut up all the rest.

Ain't going to happen. Democrats LOOOOVE to campaign in baptists southern churches, republicans LOOOVE to campaign at protestant churches.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:59:41 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2007, 07:58:06 PM

Democrats don't want to shut up the black churchs and baptists who tend to support them, Republicans don't want to shut up all the rest.

Ain't going to happen. Democrats LOOOOVE to campaign in baptists southern churches, republicans LOOOVE to campaign at protestant churches.

But notice how the liberal parts of the media don't seem to have a problem with Democrats doing this. Hm

Cheebs · « **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2007, 08:02:29 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2007, 07:59:41 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2007, 07:58:06 PM
Democrats don't want to shut up the black churchs and baptists who tend to support them, Republicans don't want to shut up all the rest.

Ain't going to happen. Democrats LOOOOVE to campaign in baptists southern churches, republicans LOOOVE to campaign at protestant churches.

But notice how the liberal parts of the media don't seem to have a problem with Democrats doing this. Hm

Well to be fair there is a lot more churches out there welcome to republicans than democrats. But it is still wrong of course.

xnikki118x · « **Reply #31 on:** February 17, 2007, 02:12:16 AM »

Maybe they'll start calling Rudy flip-flop now.

APF · « **Reply #32 on:** February 17, 2007, 12:47:08 PM »

Everyone flip-flops: first the closer they get to the primaries; then, the further they get away from them.

Cheebs · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2007, 01:22:04 PM »

Quote from: APF on February 17, 2007, 12:47:08 PM

Everyone flip-flops: first the closer they get to the primaries; then, the further they get away from them.

I dont see Obama flip-flopping. Hillary is refusing to as well, almost to a bush like stubborn level.

News:

Author Topic: God Damnit Rudy, I LIKED YOU (Read 2326 times)