Why do rappers get shat on and rock artists get praised?

[The Fake Shemp]

Now you're abandoning your original point completely.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

True enough, but is that shit mainstream rock? I don't know... When I compare mainstream rock and rap together, both are shit with  a few exceptions, but the thing that sticks out with mainstream rap is that the lyrics (the foundation behind rap) is often really really really bad. When you compare that to say, rock, usually you'll find a jam that's at least listenable, but when you hear bs like chicken noodle soup you want to kill yourself.

qft x 1,000

[The Black Stallion]

Now you're abandoning your original point completely.

Re-read my initial post. I'm on my original point.

[Beezy]

True enough, but is that shit mainstream rock? I don't know... When I compare mainstream rock and rap together, both are shit with  a few exceptions, but the thing that sticks out with mainstream rap is that the lyrics (the foundation behind rap) is often really really really bad. When you compare that to say, rock, usually you'll find a jam that's at least listenable, but when you hear bs like chicken noodle soup you want to kill yourself.

Chicken Noodle Soup isn't even rap! I don't know what that shit is!

[The Fake Shemp]

Re-read my initial post. I'm on my original point.

No, your original point is that even the worst rap lyrics best rock lyrics, which you claim are spared by the obvious racist media.  Everyone called you on your bullshit and now your point is that the best rap lyrics are superior to the best rock lyrics.

You were called on your ignorance - now man up, say you were wrong.

[TakingBackSunday]

I like Immortal Technique.  He's pretty fucking rad.

[The Black Stallion]

True enough, but is that shit mainstream rock? I don't know... When I compare mainstream rock and rap together, both are shit with  a few exceptions, but the thing that sticks out with mainstream rap is that the lyrics (the foundation behind rap) is often really really really bad. When you compare that to say, rock, usually you'll find a jam that's at least listenable, but when you hear bs like chicken noodle soup you want to kill yourself.

Chicken Noodle Soup isn't even rap! I don't know what that shit is!

It's hip hop dance music.

Re-read my initial post. I'm on my original point.

No, your original point is that even the worst rap lyrics best rock lyrics, which you claim are spared by the obvious racist media.  Everyone called you on your bullshit and now your point is that the best rap lyrics are superior to the best rock lyrics.

You were called on your ignorance - now man up, say you were wrong.

Called out on my hyperbole? Probably, (I admit I was pushing it with the best/worst comparison) but  called out on my ignorance? I think not. I don't have any in regard to this topic.

Rock songs require very little talent to write. I even wrote a few myself.

[The Fake Shemp]

Let's face facts.  Mainstream hip hop is awful, not that rock is any better, but the reign of great rock 'n roll is far longer than the glory days of hip hop.  Furthermore, rock is not integrated into the culture of white suburban (or urban) youths.  White kids buy hip hop, not rock.  But hip hop is firmly integrated into black culture; it's often a reflection of the times.

The worst mainstream rock lyrics will tell you to fuck or to cry, because after you fucked, your woman left you.  Maybe both.  There's nothing wrong with music telling people to fuck, because music has been telling people to fuck for as long as it has existed.

Mainstream hip hop lyrics are most comprised of inspirational lines telling listeners to make money, get women and use violence to solve problems.  In hip hop, making money used to be a byproduct of making music, but now they're told that you should make music to make money.  It's garbage.  I've been told this firsthand by legitimate black artists who I've had the pleasure of speaking with candidly off stage, including Sage Francis and DJ Kool.  I don't speak from experience, but I will speak from their experience.

Was hip hop at its peak more creative than rock in its peak?  Who the fuck knows, as it's completely subjective.

But if you wonder why nobody respects hip hop, especially in terms of lyrics, over modern day rock, the answer is pretty simple - the message it sends out is complete garbage.

[Mandark]

What's up with nostalgia for 80's lyricism?

Yeah, it's better/more sophisticated than snap-hop, but those were the "rock on/break of dawn" days where everyone was drawing on the same communal pool of about twelve rhymes.

On the original topic, who specifically is getting called out for hypocrisy?  Music snob outlets have tons of praise for rap, and the really mainstream critics (newspapers etc.) never come down really hard on anyone.


PS Where does DJ Kool get off lecturing people?  I like him, but his schtick is mostly call-and-response.

[Himu]

Mandark do you post at sa

[Mandark]

Nah.  Got an account from way back, but barely ever posted then either.

[The Black Stallion]

Mainstream hip hop lyrics are most comprised of inspirational lines telling listeners to make money, get women and use violence to solve problems.  In hip hop, making money used to be a byproduct of making music, but now they're told that you should make music to make money.  It's garbage.  I've been told this firsthand by legitimate black artists who I've had the pleasure of speaking with candidly off stage, including Sage Francis and DJ Kool.  I don't speak from experience, but I will speak from their experience.

Was hip hop at its peak more creative than rock in its peak?  Who the fuck knows, as it's completely subjective.

But if you wonder why nobody respects hip hop, especially in terms of lyrics, over modern day rock, the answer is pretty simple - the message it sends out is complete garbage.

A lot of older rap artists are scornful because they never evolved their music to be appealing to todays consumers. Their old fans are still present and a lot of them still apreciate their music, but they've moved on. Add that to the fact that they were raped by their old record deals and you have yourselves some real oldschool haters. If you have a chance to make money with your music take it. And if you're making music to make money, go ahead and do that too. But there is artistic merit to a lot of mainstream rap out there that people ignore and it's kind of annoying. Also, underground acts these days make plenty of money to maintain a regular, middle class existence.

I'm going to say that there is definately a racial aspect to the lack of respect that rap gets. That's evident when you hear people (even black people as seen in this thread) write off rap producers as nothing more than monkeys pushing buttons on a computer. I'm convinced that rock lyrics are, in general, less clever, less creative and less engaging than rap lyics.

[demi]

PD obviously hasn't heard to Industrial music or Death metal.

mmm, Death Metal

http://purevolume.com/soilwork

[APF]

You still have yet to demonstrate that Rap doesn't get adequate respect (whatever that means), specifically lyrically--which appears to be the only real level at which you're making the critique in the first place (plenty of crossover production going on).  Not much modern rock is really interesting on a lyrical level IMO, so I'm not sure where you're coming from.  Folk can be more interesting lyrically than either genre and it hasn't gotten "respect" since the 60s.  Who the fuck cares about some arbitrary level of "respect" in the first place, and again respect from what quarters exactly?  Hip hop hasn't blown-up in terms of mainstream acceptance?  Bullshit.  Many would argue its ubiquity is 99.9% of why it's garbage.  As an aside every once in a while you hear a rapper trying to "do" rock and it's always complete trash.  Point me to anything that demonstrates otherwise.

[TVC15]

As an aside every once in a while you hear a rapper trying to "do" rock and it's always complete trash.  Point me to anything that demonstrates otherwise.

Are you trying to say that Puff Daddy didn't improve Kashmir?

[APF]

Uh

[The Fake Shemp]

COME WITH ME

[TVC15]

Uh

You know, just like how the US Godzilla movie that the song was attached to was an improvement over the originals.

[Oblivion]

Because rap overglorifies the worst aspects of man, and gives an awful sterotype to black people.  I hate rap videos, if only for the hot girls:drool but still it's just so fucking trash.

mainstream rap imo is so trashy and stupid no wonder it's getting the flack it does, I mean just compare rap/hip hop to ten years ago where it was fun, fresh, and didnt' make black people seem like gangsters who care about drugs and fucking bitches.

Sounds about right. I love rap music (all kinds, actually, minus perhaps country), but I really hate the thug shit that's associated with it.

[xnikki118x]

Rock and rap both have good artists, and both have shitty ones. It just seems that rap has more mainstream shitty artists to me.

[Phoenix Dark]

Willco hit the nail on the head. Although there are many black youths in the cities who listen to rap and identify with parts of it, the vast majority of them have never been to jail, will never sell drugs (not that the rappers did either), don't get the women, and don't have much money. Much of rap is based entirely on a fantasty element. To a certain degree, this has always been a part of rap: the yearning for a better life, and a verbal detailing of what that life would/should be about. In the 80's the Sugarhill Gang merely wanted "a color TV so I can see the Knicks play bas-ket-ball."

Today that imagery is still being used with little to no sign of evolution. How long can one rap about the drugs they might or might not have sold, or all the women they might or might not have fucked? At some point it becomes so redundant and ridiculous that it's irrelevent. It's no surprise that most rap artists fade away after a certain age, whereas rock bands can stay around for much longer. The Rolling Stones will always have something relevent to say to their particular audience, because as Willco said they sing about issues we all understand. On the other hand, does Too Short appeal to his fellow 40+ year olds when he raps about pimping and driving a Benz?

It's disposable music, and this is most evident in the lyrics. Certainly not all rap music is disposable, but a great deal of it is.

[Prost]

Because rap is shit.

What? you wanted an answer, you got the right one.

[The Black Stallion]

Because rap is shit.

What? you wanted an answer, you got the right one.

Didn't I say racist weren't allowed? You look like the type of person that mutters "n!gger" under his breath after being slighted or bested by a black person in any way.

[Prost]

Because rap is shit.

What? you wanted an answer, you got the right one.

Didn't I say racist weren't allowed? You look like the type of person that mutters "n!gger" under his breath after being slighted or bested by a black person in any way.

Did I say anything racist?

Here I'll explain it a little better for you, RAP IS SHIT.

You ask how it gets shat on, well you know how when you take a dump, you dump some shit in the toilet?  Well obviously if you have more, you "shat" on top of that right?

Well there you go, same thing with rap.

It doesn't matter if you're white green blue black yellow or purple, rap lyrics are shit.

I actually think snoop is pretty cool, and have no respect for eminem.  My dick your mouth, case closed.

[omg_lemurs]

Because most rap songs these days usually take place at da club.

[Akon:] Konvict...Music...and you know we Up front.

[Chorus: Akon]
I see you windin n grindin up on that pole,
I know u see me lookin' at you and you already know
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know
Girl...

[Snoop Dogg]
Money in the air as mo feel grab you by your coat tail take you to the motel,
hoe sale,
dont tell,
wont tell,
baby say I dont talk dogg but she told on me,
oh well,
take a picture wit me,
what the flick gon do,
baby stick to me & ima stick on u,
if u pick me then ima pick on you,
d-o-double g and im here to put this dick on you,
I'm stuck on pussy and yours is right,
rip ridin and them poles and them doors is tight
and ima get me a shot for the end of the night cuz pussy is pussy and baby ur pussy for life.

[Chorus: Akon]
I see you windin n grindin up on that pole,
I know u see me lookin' at you and you already kno
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know

[Akon]
Shorty I can see u aint lonely handful of niccas n they all got G's,
see u lookin at me now whats it gonna be just another tease far as I can see,
tryin get u up out this club if it means spendin' a couple dubs,
throwin bout 30 stacks in the back make it rain like that cuz I'm far from a scrub,
u kno my pedigree,
ex-deala use to move phetamines,
girl I spend money like it dont mean nothin and besides I got a thing for u.

[Chorus: Akon]
I see you windin n grindin up on that pole,
I kno u see me lookin' at you and you already kno
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know
Girl...

[Snoop Dogg]
Mobbin' through club in low pressin im sittin in the back in the smokers section (just smokin),
birds eye,
I got a clear view, you cant see me but I can see u (baby I see u),
its cool we jet the mood is set,
your pussy is wet u rubbin your back and touchin your neck,
ur body is movin' u humpin' n jumpin' ur titties is bouncin' u smilin' n grinnin' n lookin at me.

[Akon]
Girl n while your looking at me im ready to hit the caddy right up on the patio move the patty to the caddy,
baby you got a phatty the type I like to marry wantin to just give u everythin n thats kinda scary,
cuz I'm lovin the way you shake your ass , bouncin', got me tippin' my glass,
Normally dont get caught up to fast but I got a thing for you.

[Chorus: Akon]
I see you windin n grindin up on that pole,
I know you see me lookin' at you and you already know
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know

[Chorus: Akon]
I see you windin n grindin up on that pole,
I know you see me lookin' at you and you already know
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know
I wanna fuck you (fuck you), you already know
Girl...

There's the reason nobody praises rap artists. Because there are very few actual rap "artists" that are popular.

[The Black Stallion]

Rob the jewelry store and tell 'em make me a grill.
Dirrty, R&B.
Add da whole top diamond and the bottom Row's gold.

[J.D.]
Yo we bout to start a epidemic wit dis one
Ya'll know what dis is... So So Def

[Nelly]
Got 30 down at the bottom, 30 mo at the top
All invisible set in little ice cube blocks
If I could call it a drink, call it a smile on da rocks
If I could call out a price, let's say I call out a lot
I got like platinum and white gold, traditional gold
I'm changin grillz errday, like Jay change clothes,
I might be grilled out nicely (oh) In my white tee (oh),
On South beach (oh) in my wife beat.
V V and studded you can tell when they cut it
Ya see my granmama hate it, but my lil mama love it
Cuz when I...

[Woman]
Open up ya mouth, ya grill gleamin (say what)
Eyes stay low from da cheifin'

[Nelly]
I got a grill I call penny candy you know what that means,
It look like Now n Laters, gum drops, jelly beans
I wouldn't leave it for nothin only a crazy man would
So if you catch me in ya city, somewhere out in ya hood just say

[Chorus:]
Smile fo me daddy
(What you lookin at)
Let me see ya grill
(Let you see my what)
Ya, ya grill ya, ya, ya grill
(Rob da jewelry store and tell 'em make me a grill)
Smile fo me daddy
(What you lookin at)
I want to see your grill
(You wanna see my what)
Ya, ya grill ya, ya, ya grill
(Had a whole top diamonds and da bottom Row's gold)

[Paul Wall]
What it do baby
It's da ice man Paul Wall
I got my mouth lookin somethin like a disco ball
I got da diamonds and da ice all hand set
I might cause a cold front if I take a deep breath
My teeth gleaming like I'm chewin on aluminum foil
Smilein showin off my diamonds sippin on some Pinot Noir
I put my money where my mouth is and bought a grill
20 carrots 30 stacks let 'em know im so fo real
My motivation is them 30 pointers V VS the furniture my mouth
Piece simply symbolize success
I got da wrist wear and neck wear dats captivatin
But it's my smile dats got these on-lookers spectatin
My mouth piece simply certified a total package
Open up my mouth and you see mo carrots than a salad
My teeth are mind blowin givin everybody chillz
Call me George Foreman cuz I'm sellin everybody grillz

[Chorus]

[Gipp]
Gipp got dem yellows, got dem purples, got dem reds
Lights gon hit ya and make you woozie in ya head
You can catch me in my 2 short drop
Mouth got colors like a fruit loop box

[Ali]
Dis what it do when da lou
Ice grill Country Grammar
Where da hustlas move bricks
and da gangsta's bang hamma's
Where I got em you can spot them
On da top in da bottom
Gotta bill in my mouth like im Hillary Rodham

[Gipp]
I ain't dissin no body but lets bring it to da lite
Gipp was da first wit my mouth bright white
Yeah deez hos can't focus cuz they eyesight blurry
Tippin on some 4's you can see my mouth jewelry

[Ali]
I got fo different sets its a fabolous thang
1 white, 1 yellow, like Fabolous chain
and da otha set is same got my name in da mold

(Had a whole top diamonds and da bottom Row's gold)

[Chorus]

[Woman]
Boy how you get grill that way and
How much did you pay
Every time I see you
Tha first thing I'm gon' say hey.....

[Chorus]

This is a mainstream rap song. Could you write something that witty?

[Prost]

It's music for convicts basically which gets extremely repetitive and annoying IMO.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Wit doesn't always equal good lyrics, asshole. I could write LOLZ I SHIT MY PANTS, MY NAME IS BAGGER VANCE and while somewhat witty that isn't eye-opening or inspiring at all. Its lame, just like 95% of all rap is.

[APF]

Carrots in salads are so gauche.

[Mandark]

Call me George Foreman cuz I'm sellin everybody grillz

Er, um, we need a name that's witty at first, but that seems less funny each time you hear it.

"Oh boy-foot bear with teaks of Chan..."

[Strife Doombringer]

I like me some rap from time to time some 2pac, bone, and some dre. Still Nine inch Nails and Tool gets me good and pissed off when i need to be unlike rap where its more like cruising music, it doesn't really make me want top go beat the fuck out of someone when im piss drunk like rock does..

[chiller]

I guess I'll add that every rap concert I've ever been to has been boring as fuck.  No band members playing music.  You'll be lucky if there's even a D.J. with turntables now.  Most just bring recordings and press play.  All you have to entertain you is some guy talking with a funny accent.  Do you want to know why Jay-Z has 50 people dancing around him when he's onstage?  It's because he doesn't want you to notice that all he's doing is walking around and talking.  He's quite the entertainer in mainstream rap. 

[Phoenix Dark]

I guess I'll add that every rap concert I've ever been to has been boring as fuck.  No band members playing music.  You'll be lucky if there's even a D.J. with turntables now.  Most just bring recordings and press play.  All you have to entertain you is some guy talking with a funny accent.  Do you want to know why Jay-Z has 50 people dancing around him when he's onstage?  It's because he doesn't want you to notice that all he's doing is walking around and talking.  He's quite the entertainer in mainstream rap. 

lol qft.

That's why I'm glad guys like Common and Kanye West are bringing instruments back to live rap shows

[Tauntaun]

Here's your answer, mainstream "rock" & "rap" suck!  They're both shallow and completely void of any soul or passion.  Go underground and get some real music.

[demi]

YAHH BITCH YAHH

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[lordmaji]

I hate it when people say "They have no talent" That's just distinguished mentally-challenged.

You try rhyming and doing it well. I bet you couldn't come close to making shit sound good like Nas, or Pac, or JayZ.

Doubt you can do it. Even if you play guitar.

[Phoenix Dark]

I hate it when people say "They have no talent" That's just distinguished mentally-challenged.

You try rhyming and doing it well. I bet you couldn't come close to making shit sound good like Nas, or Pac, or JayZ.

Doubt you can do it. Even if you play guitar.

Yeah I could if I was a swagga jacka!

 

[lordmaji]

I hate it when people say "They have no talent" That's just distinguished mentally-challenged.

You try rhyming and doing it well. I bet you couldn't come close to making shit sound good like Nas, or Pac, or JayZ.

Doubt you can do it. Even if you play guitar.

Yeah I could if I was a swagga jacka!

 

touche home boy.

I retract my mention of JayZ and substitute him w/ Lil Wayne. That work?

[Phoenix Dark]

I hate it when people say "They have no talent" That's just distinguished mentally-challenged.

You try rhyming and doing it well. I bet you couldn't come close to making shit sound good like Nas, or Pac, or JayZ.

Doubt you can do it. Even if you play guitar.

Yeah I could if I was a swagga jacka!

 

touche home boy.

I retract my mention of JayZ and substitute him w/ Lil Wayne. That work?

Lil Wayne?

I can't believe so many people consider him to be omg amazing. I WILL ADMIT that he's impressed me recently with some stuff, but then there's the Fiya Man single ughh. Maybe I should download one of his so called classic albums...


I can't help but like this song

[lordmaji]

I hate it when people say "They have no talent" That's just distinguished mentally-challenged.

You try rhyming and doing it well. I bet you couldn't come close to making shit sound good like Nas, or Pac, or JayZ.

Doubt you can do it. Even if you play guitar.

Yeah I could if I was a swagga jacka!

 

touche home boy.

I retract my mention of JayZ and substitute him w/ Lil Wayne. That work?

Lil Wayne?

I can't believe so many people consider him to be omg amazing. I WILL ADMIT that he's impressed me recently with some stuff, but then there's the Fiya Man single ughh. Maybe I should download one of his so called classic albums...


I can't help but like this song

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of him either, he just can rhyme. Hrmmm... I'd say Kanye, but I ain't ridding no bodys jock! I should of said Mos Def.

[Beezy]

I hate it when people say "They have no talent" That's just distinguished mentally-challenged.

You try rhyming and doing it well. I bet you couldn't come close to making shit sound good like Nas, or Pac, or JayZ.

Doubt you can do it. Even if you play guitar.

Yeah I could if I was a swagga jacka!

 

Ouch.

[Phoenix Dark]

 

nicca what'chu gotta say bout the king of yo city now?

[Beezy]

nicca what'chu gotta say bout the king of yo city now?

King of my city? I was never a big Jay-Z fan. I liked some of his songs, but I never understood why people always acted like he was the greatest ever/alive. That just made me hate him even more.

[Phoenix Dark]

nicca what'chu gotta say bout the king of yo city now?

King of my city? I was never a big Jay-Z fan. I liked some of his songs, but I never understood why people always acted like he was the greatest ever/alive. That just made me hate him even more.

Nas>Jay-Z?

Jay wasn't considered an icon until he said he was one. Dude knows how to market himself. If you listen closely his whole blueprint is pretty obvious. Once Big died he was able to market himself as the new king, and no one challenged him. He attacked the only artist who could combat him (Nas) and "beat" him in the mainstream's eyes. Even before that he was constantly saying his first album was a classic, and soon everyone else was saying it. Then he started marketing himself as the greatest, and then everyone started saying that too.

Now he's saying "30 is the new 20" and I've heard older people say that shit. Too bad he can't market his Def Jam artists like he does himself

[Beezy]

nicca what'chu gotta say bout the king of yo city now?

King of my city? I was never a big Jay-Z fan. I liked some of his songs, but I never understood why people always acted like he was the greatest ever/alive. That just made me hate him even more.

Nas>Jay-Z?

Always has been.

Btw, fuck his new songs. He really should have retired after the Black Album. Kingdom Come was nothing special.

[lordmaji]

Nas ftw.

[Phoenix Dark]

Don't get me wrong, Jay-Z is a great rapper. But overall I don't think he touches Nas in terms of lyrics. Jay has a better catalog imo though. Nas has Illmatic, then a bunch of mediocre (to say the least) stuff although I haven't heard it all. HHID is good. Haven't heard the other stuff.

But THIS is fuckin amazing

[lordmaji]

Don't get me wrong, Jay-Z is a great rapper. But overall I don't think he touches Nas in terms of lyrics. Jay has a better catalog imo though. Nas has Illmatic, then a bunch of mediocre (to say the least) stuff although I haven't heard it all. HHID is good. Haven't heard the other stuff.

But THIS is fuckin amazing

"Illmatic" is a classic.

"And It was Written" Has some of the best rhyming I've ever heard.

[Phoenix Dark]

Don't get me wrong, Jay-Z is a great rapper. But overall I don't think he touches Nas in terms of lyrics. Jay has a better catalog imo though. Nas has Illmatic, then a bunch of mediocre (to say the least) stuff although I haven't heard it all. HHID is good. Haven't heard the other stuff.

But THIS is fuckin amazing

"Illmatic" is a classic.

"And It was Written" Has some of the best rhyming I've ever heard.

Illmatic is amazing. So many classics.

Haven't heard all of And It was Written. But all that bling bling rap Nas started doing was omg wtf

[lordmaji]

Don't get me wrong, Jay-Z is a great rapper. But overall I don't think he touches Nas in terms of lyrics. Jay has a better catalog imo though. Nas has Illmatic, then a bunch of mediocre (to say the least) stuff although I haven't heard it all. HHID is good. Haven't heard the other stuff.

But THIS is fuckin amazing

"Illmatic" is a classic.

"And It was Written" Has some of the best rhyming I've ever heard.

Illmatic is amazing. So many classics.

Haven't heard all of And It was Written. But all that bling bling rap Nas started doing was omg wtf

Yeah, I agree. I didn't really get to much of that out of it "Written" But after that is when he started doing that shit.

[Beezy]

Illmatic is amazing. So many classics.

Haven't heard all of And It was Written. But all that bling bling rap Nas started doing was omg wtf

Shawty, say whats your price

 

[Phoenix Dark]

One of the worse songs I've ever heard. The chorus is 

[Himu]

I hate it when people say "They have no talent" That's just distinguished mentally-challenged.

You try rhyming and doing it well. I bet you couldn't come close to making shit sound good like Nas, or Pac, or JayZ.

Doubt you can do it. Even if you play guitar.

Yeah I could if I was a swagga jacka!

 

touche home boy.

I retract my mention of JayZ and substitute him w/ Lil Wayne. That work?

Lil Wayne?

I can't believe so many people consider him to be omg amazing. I WILL ADMIT that he's impressed me recently with some stuff, but then there's the Fiya Man single ughh. Maybe I should download one of his so called classic albums...


I can't help but like this song

Listen to Tha Carter. The guy has really grown.

[Phoenix Dark]

Etu Himuro? 

Fine I'll download the album tonight and listen. Full review later. If it sucks than Himu is nothing more than a southern foo

[Himu]

No dude, it's pretty good. Aside from Fire Man or whatever the fuck, and some other song I forgot, the album is pretty damn good.

Check out Earthquake. I tried to get a youtube of it, but alas. THere's only this:



=/

[Himu]

Btw, Nas' albums rated by me:

Illmatic: 10/10
It Was Written 9/10
I Am... 6/10
Nastradamous: 4/10
Stillmatic: 9.5/10
Lost Tapes: 10/10
God's Son: 8.5/10
Street's Disciple: 8.5/10

Haven't heard hip Hop is Dead yet, but It Was Written is amazing. It's not as good as Illmatic, but aside from Lost Tapes, Nas will NEVER top Illmatic, so I don't see the point in wanting the impossible.

[Phoenix Dark]

No dude, it's pretty good. Aside from Fire Man or whatever the fuck, and some other song I forgot, the album is pretty damn good.

Check out Earthquake. I tried to get a youtube of it, but alas. THere's only this:



=/

His flow sounds almost exactly like Jay Z's in that thread, as well as other songs