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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2006, 10:05:17 PM »
"Mel Gibson to make film about newfound hero, Darwin"
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2006, 10:06:29 PM »
Unfortunately how people 'react' to ideas has very little to do with the idea itself most of the time.

I really shouldnt have to point anyone involved in this debate to the middle east, but if I could.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2006, 10:08:35 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2006, 10:09:07 PM »
darwin's ghost fistfucked my mom  :(
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2006, 10:09:23 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2006, 10:14:37 PM »
"Mel Gibson was set to make film about newfound hero, Darwin until he found out Darwin's theories conflicted with some of his very own nutty religious beliefs!"

Unfortunately how people 'react' to ideas has very little to do with the idea itself most of the time.

I really shouldnt have to point anyone involved in this debate to the middle east, but if I could.
Darwin didn't set down proscriptions, but aimed at discovering the mechanisms of nature. If someone in the future committed a naturalistic fallacy, it isn't his fault.

Religious texts, if that is what you are alluding to, are different than a scientific theory. For one they are more ambiguous, second they are non-falsifiable and three are full of rules to follow.

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2006, 10:23:51 PM »
I blame Darwin for all of my problems.

Son of a bitch, I lost my keys again.  DARRRRRRWINNNNNNN!!!
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2006, 10:24:39 PM »
I blame Darwin for all of my problems.

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2006, 12:32:44 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2006, 01:05:32 AM »
floating keys, jews can swim, who knows..
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2006, 02:05:18 AM »
floating keys, jews can swim, who knows..

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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2006, 09:52:24 AM »
Bwfore Darwin there were no massive killings. Why did the Spanish Enquisition happen? Because people read Darwin's pornographic "science" and killed the Indians. Then in the 1600's we started killing the Indians in this country. Why? Because before he cut off Pocahontus' head John Smith read Darwin's book.

Why did the Egyptians enslave the Jews? Because they read his book. It's a fact, get over it Malek.
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2006, 10:49:56 AM »
I hope youre joking.

I'd like to think all of those things happen because people, by and large, have a disposition that promotes group think and siding with extreme ideas because it makes them feel righteous.

The jews have been persecuted forever, and I mean that. There wasnt a safe place in europe for them.

Words are just symbols on a page until we give them meaning. The human race adhering to an IDEA about EVOLUTION is really our own fault. Placing blame on one man, one idea, or on publication removes the thing that most people today should honestly start dealing with, thats called Accountability.

and its Inquisition.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2006, 11:15:05 AM »
The ideas of "superiority" and "inferiority" have been in the minds of humans for ages. This is not something that suddenly came to light through Darwin. Traditionally, there has always been a group (almost always white) which felt it was better than other groups, and used its power and religion to dominate weaker groups. We have seen this for thousands of years, from the Inquisition to to the extermination of Native Americans (at the hands of the Spanish/British/Americans) to slavery. Darwin did not create this problem, just as GTA did not create youth violence. If anything, Darwin put a scientific face on the issue. Don't get me wrong - he did not justifiy the extermination of inferior races - Hilter and others took Darwin's work and applied it in ways he never intended.

In many of his writings Darwin expressed racist beliefs, comparing blacks to apes and calling some races savage. This is a fact that cannot be erased by those who would try to discredit it. It is also a fact that Darwin's theories were used as the basis of eugenics. Eugenics were indeed used in the US as well as Nazi Germany in the 2oth century. But as far as I understand, Darwin and Galton never advocated government involvement in the process of "survival of the fittest", IE what Hitler and others attempted to do.

In the end, I do believe there is a dirty side to Darwin that his followers are not willing to acknoledge, but still he himself never advocated the kinds of acts some took to speed up the processes he coined. Is there a connection between the theories of "survival of the fittest", eugenics, and Hitler? Yes. But I think it's safe to say Hitler took things much farther and warped Darwin's ideas.
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2006, 11:46:19 AM »
Darwin's theories have very little to do with modern evolutionary theory. At best, he's a symbol and a historical aside.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2006, 11:52:48 AM »
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The ideas of "superiority" and "inferiority" have been in the minds of humans for ages. This is not something that suddenly came to light through Darwin. Traditionally, there has always been a group (almost always white) which felt it was better than other groups, and used its power and religion to dominate weaker groups. We have seen this for thousands of years, from the Inquisition to to the extermination of Native Americans (at the hands of the Spanish/British/Americans) to slavery. Darwin did not create this problem, just as GTA did not create youth violence. If anything, Darwin put a scientific face on the issue. Don't get me wrong - he did not justifiy the extermination of inferior races - Hilter and others took Darwin's work and applied it in ways he never intended.

In many of his writings Darwin expressed racist beliefs, comparing blacks to apes and calling some races savage. This is a fact that cannot be erased by those who would try to discredit it. It is also a fact that Darwin's theories were used as the basis of eugenics. Eugenics were indeed used in the US as well as Nazi Germany in the 2oth century. But as far as I understand, Darwin and Galton never advocated government involvement in the process of "survival of the fittest", IE what Hitler and others attempted to do.

In the end, I do believe there is a dirty side to Darwin that his followers are not willing to acknoledge, but still he himself never advocated the kinds of acts some took to speed up the processes he coined. Is there a connection between the theories of "survival of the fittest", eugenics, and Hitler? Yes. But I think it's safe to say Hitler took things much farther and warped Darwin's ideas.

Almost always white? Step the fuck off, this shit goes around world over regardless of color. Darwin talks like a bigot because he existed in a time of bigots.

Additionally ANYTHING can have a 'dark side'. Enough bird shit can kill a man, can I say hitler took the idea of dangerous chemical fumes from bird shit and TWISTED IT TO ITS DARK SIDE for chemical warfare. Come on.

Hitler was a man who grew up jealous of little jewish rich kids and fed off of a country who was brought to complete bankruptcy by the concluding treaty of WWI. Additionally his campaign wasnt about survival of the fittest, it was called 'kill the jews'.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2006, 11:59:21 AM »
Yup, "eugenics" was just a PR spin on planned genocide. If evolutionary theory hadn't existed at the time, he woulda used the Bible to justify his "master race". Wait, he did that TOO just to have his ass covered.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2006, 12:04:18 PM »
It was never belief, just spin for the masses in germany already suffering way too much for a stupid war prior.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2006, 12:07:09 PM »
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The ideas of "superiority" and "inferiority" have been in the minds of humans for ages. This is not something that suddenly came to light through Darwin. Traditionally, there has always been a group (almost always white) which felt it was better than other groups, and used its power and religion to dominate weaker groups. We have seen this for thousands of years, from the Inquisition to to the extermination of Native Americans (at the hands of the Spanish/British/Americans) to slavery. Darwin did not create this problem, just as GTA did not create youth violence. If anything, Darwin put a scientific face on the issue. Don't get me wrong - he did not justifiy the extermination of inferior races - Hilter and others took Darwin's work and applied it in ways he never intended.

In many of his writings Darwin expressed racist beliefs, comparing blacks to apes and calling some races savage. This is a fact that cannot be erased by those who would try to discredit it. It is also a fact that Darwin's theories were used as the basis of eugenics. Eugenics were indeed used in the US as well as Nazi Germany in the 2oth century. But as far as I understand, Darwin and Galton never advocated government involvement in the process of "survival of the fittest", IE what Hitler and others attempted to do.

In the end, I do believe there is a dirty side to Darwin that his followers are not willing to acknoledge, but still he himself never advocated the kinds of acts some took to speed up the processes he coined. Is there a connection between the theories of "survival of the fittest", eugenics, and Hitler? Yes. But I think it's safe to say Hitler took things much farther and warped Darwin's ideas.

Almost always white? Step the fuck off, this shit goes around world over regardless of color. Darwin talks like a bigot because he existed in a time of bigots.

Additionally ANYTHING can have a 'dark side'. Enough bird shit can kill a man, can I say hitler took the idea of dangerous chemical fumes from bird shit and TWISTED IT TO ITS DARK SIDE for chemical warfare. Come on.

Hitler was a man who grew up jealous of little jewish rich kids and fed off of a country who was brought to complete bankruptcy by the concluding treaty of WWI. Additionally his campaign wasnt about survival of the fittest, it was called 'kill the jews'.

It wasn't just "kill the Jews" MAF. It was about his theory of Race and Space. Also, Hitler's hatred of Jews did not stem from him being jealous. It stems from his mother's death, supposedly at the hands of a Jewish doctor. Little things like that slowly built a wall in him to the point where he finally came up with his theories.

And I'll stand by my assertion that throughout history it's clear that white's have tried to dominate other races. I'm not suggesting that only whites do it. But it's more than safe to say that just as warped Christianity is responsible for the death of millions of people, on the flipside who warped Christianity and used it as justification for genocide in the first place? They go hand in hand.

Your analogy about bird shit is so childish it doesn't deserve a responce. It's a fact that Darwin's theories on "survival of the fittest" are the basis of eugenics research, which of course was warped just like Christianity (by you know who) to justify the actions of people like Hitler. So the connection is there. But as I said, I have found no evidence that suggests Darwin wanted the government to regulate survival of the fittest.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2006, 12:19:24 PM »
I would like to bring up the following regions guilty of acts of persecution:

Africa, China, Japan, Russia, France, Middle East, United States, South America. The list goes on. Christianity is the most obvious and easiest to read up on, but its time in the limelight does not give it top spot.

Life IS survival of the fittest, it is not a BELIEF it is the WAY THINGS ARE. Winners write the history books, what eats survives past what has been eaten. Suggesting its some kind of cultist belief that creates wars and persecution is fucking silly. Darwin wasnt some genius, he just happened to look past religious dogma and find something entirely obvious. If he hadn't figured it out someone else would have. Then im sure you could blame them.

You read like some kinda of bizzare Ann Coulter, with a similar level of horrible writing.
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2006, 12:20:09 PM »
PhoenixDark: Most of the history YOU have been exposed to has been recorded BY whites ABOUT whites. How much do you know about African history? Chinese history?

And Charles Darwin isn't a religious figure, nor were his theories treated with any sort of real reverence.
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2006, 12:34:11 PM »
I would like to bring up the following regions guilty of acts of persecution:

Africa, China, Japan, Russia, France, Middle East, United States, South America. The list goes on. Christianity is the most obvious and easiest to read up on, but its time in the limelight does not give it top spot.

Life IS survival of the fittest, it is not a BELIEF it is the WAY THINGS ARE. Winners write the history books, what eats survives past what has been eaten. Suggesting its some kind of cultist belief that creates wars and persecution is fucking silly. Darwin wasnt some genius, he just happened to look past religious dogma and find something entirely obvious. If he hadn't figured it out someone else would have. Then im sure you could blame them.

You read like some kinda of bizzare Ann Coulter, with a similar level of horrible writing.

Four of the reigions you cite are run by whites (assuming South Africa is included in Africa). Your point? If we look at the largest genocides in human history, we will find that whites have been behind most of them. I am not suggesting all whites are evil - I'm just stating that throughout history whites have been the dominate race through genocide, slavery, and racism. Whether it's Native Americans in South America or blacks in Africa.

I am not suggesting survival of the fittest is false, or that it is evil; it makes sense to me. I am merely stating that to deny that it is the basis of eugenics and Hitler's doctrine of Race and Space is ludicrous. That isn't to say Darwin intended his theory to be warped like this.

If you can't defend your point - which you clearly can't - you might want to find a better way of responding. Perhaps you should wait until Malek gets here before you dig a deeper hole for yourself. I have not called you any names or put words in your mouth - I'm merely pointing out the facts. Is Darwin responsible for the Holocaust or abortions? Of course not. This is a case of radical Christians attempting to be scientific and factual - and failing. Their charges do not stand. But that doesn't mean that there is no connection between Darwin's theories and eugenics, for instance.
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2006, 12:43:48 PM »
Rwanda, Pol Pot, Khmer Rouge WHAT WHAT

African and Asian history are PACKED TO THE GILLS with genocides and "eugenic" arguments that vastly predate Darwin. I suggest you do some readin' outside of Harry Potter and Tolkien, honky.
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2006, 12:47:00 PM »
Rwanda, Pol Pot, Khmer Rouge WHAT WHAT

African and Asian history are PACKED TO THE GILLS with genocides and "eugenic" arguments that vastly predate Darwin. I suggest you do some readin' outside of Harry Potter and Tolkien, honky.

And? Now I could obviously go nutjob right now and start talking about CIA involvement/coups but my ass is already on the line.
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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2006, 12:48:05 PM »
Im sorry your entire thesis is mislead by the idea that white people do the genociding, but no matter how much internet debate speak you use, it just proves how narrowminded you are.
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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2006, 12:51:00 PM »
Darwin was far less racist than his contemporaries were back in the 1800's. That may not be much comfort for you, but Darwin was against the mistreatment of other races. He was also explicit that his work shouldn't lead to social or governmental changes.

I would like to add that communists who slaughtered 100 million people in the 20th century were certainly not informed by Darwin in the least.

Darwin's theories have very little to do with modern evolutionary theory. At best, he's a symbol and a historical aside.
Well I suppose you're right, but modern evolution would be lost without the theories of natural selection and sexual selection.

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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2006, 12:53:01 PM »
Im sorry your entire thesis is mislead by the idea that white people do the genociding, but no matter how much internet debate speak you use, it just proves how narrowminded you are.

If you aren't able to accept that fact, it's your loss. I already made it clear that whites are not the only people who have committed those crimes. But when I look through history, I see a pattern. Whites have dominated other races through violence for years. I don't remember Africa getting on boats and journeying around the world enslaving other people on a large scale basis.

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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2006, 12:54:57 PM »
You look through WHITE HISTORY written by WHITES, assclown.

Again, how much African history do you know? Asian history?
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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2006, 12:55:50 PM »
Tribes and early city-states would wipe each other out at the drop of a hat. Fuck, just read the Bible -- the OT is all about tribal and national genocide.
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2006, 12:55:58 PM »
Darwin was far less racist than his contemporaries were back in the 1800's. That may not be much comfort for you, but Darwin was against the mistreatment of other races. He was also explicit that his work shouldn't lead to social or governmental changes.

I would like to add that communists who slaughtered 100 million people in the 20th century were certainly not informed by Darwin in the least.

Darwin's theories have very little to do with modern evolutionary theory. At best, he's a symbol and a historical aside.
Well I suppose you're right, but modern evolution would be lost without the theories of natural selection and sexual selection.

I agree with you, and I'm glad you finally showed up in this thread. Welcome.

To my understanding, Darwin was firmly against slavery. He also never supported any mistreatment of races he deemed to be savage or ape-like. This is in start contrast to Hitler. And it really goes back to my point about Hitler warping Darwin's theories. Hitler wasn't carrying out Darwin's will, just like the Catholics weren't carrying out God's will by slaughtering Indians.
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2006, 12:57:21 PM »
Im sorry your entire thesis is mislead by the idea that white people do the genociding, but no matter how much internet debate speak you use, it just proves how narrowminded you are.

If you aren't able to accept that fact, it's your loss. I already made it clear that whites are not the only people who have committed those crimes. But when I look through history, I see a pattern. Whites have dominated other races through violence for years. I don't remember Africa getting on boats and journeying around the world enslaving other people on a large scale basis.
Anyone can use violence, but it's easier to do so when you have a vast technological advantage over other races. Europe's vast naval powers would have prevented Africans from enslaving them. However Africans were not prevented from enslaving their fellow Africans, which they did long before honkey ever did so.

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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2006, 12:57:43 PM »
Tribes and early city-states would wipe each other out at the drop of a hat. Fuck, just read the Bible -- the OT is all about tribal and national genocide.

Do you think I don't know that?

You are referencing micro levels of dominance. One city-state wiping out another city-state is different than an entire country exterminating an entire race. Look at the big picture
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2006, 12:59:39 PM »
Im sorry your entire thesis is mislead by the idea that white people do the genociding, but no matter how much internet debate speak you use, it just proves how narrowminded you are.

If you aren't able to accept that fact, it's your loss. I already made it clear that whites are not the only people who have committed those crimes. But when I look through history, I see a pattern. Whites have dominated other races through violence for years. I don't remember Africa getting on boats and journeying around the world enslaving other people on a large scale basis.
Anyone can use violence, but it's easier to do so when you have a vast technological advantage over other races. Europe's vast naval powers would have prevented Africans from enslaving them. However Africans were not prevented from enslaving their fellow Africans, which they did long before honkey ever did so.

Interesting point.

Africans had naval technology before Europeans, and actually visited the Americas before Columbus. And when they got there they didn't attempt to enslave anyone or take anyone's land.

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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2006, 01:02:17 PM »
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-kay. Did you go to one of those Montessori schools?
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2006, 01:05:55 PM »
The link between Darwin and mass genocide is a bit weak at best, I suppose this is just the christians trying their best to demonise a great man.

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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2006, 01:14:56 PM »
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-kay. Did you go to one of those Montessori schools?

Perhaps you aren't as up on your history as you should be?
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2006, 01:25:37 PM »
I sorely doubt that. Please find me a credible source for, and I quote:

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Africans had naval technology before Europeans, and actually visited the Americas before Columbus. And when they got there they didn't attempt to enslave anyone or take anyone's land.

Also, Europeans didn't enslave anyone or take land until they were in America in sufficiently large enough numbers. Last I checked, Africans weren't even here in numbers greater than zero, which makes enslaving or taking ANYTHING rather difficult.

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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2006, 01:34:24 PM »
I sorely doubt that. Please find me a credible source for, and I quote:

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Africans had naval technology before Europeans, and actually visited the Americas before Columbus. And when they got there they didn't attempt to enslave anyone or take anyone's land.

Also, Europeans didn't enslave anyone or take land until they were in America in sufficiently large enough numbers. Last I checked, Africans weren't even here in numbers greater than zero, which makes enslaving or taking ANYTHING rather difficult.



You can start here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0394402456/002-0232355-6621629?v=glance&n=283155

Native Americans had an understanding of Islam long before Columbus' voyage. Who taught them? Also, how did they create statues of Africans before Columbus set foot there? Hm.

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Also, Europeans didn't enslave anyone or take land until they were in America in sufficiently large enough numbers. Last I checked, Africans weren't even here in numbers greater than zero, which makes enslaving or taking ANYTHING rather difficult.

Ever hear of Native Americans? You know, the group that was here first, and then exterminated over the next 200 years? I don't know if you're familiar with the history of this group, but they were the original slaves. It didn't work too well, causing whites to seek workers who could work longer without getting sick. Hence the little trips to Africa.
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2006, 01:39:22 PM »
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until they were in America in sufficiently large enough numbers.

HTH!

Also, that book: WTF, dode. Did I not mention SCIENTIFICALLY CREDIBLE?
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until they were in America in sufficiently large enough numbers.

HTH!

Also, that book: WTF, dode. Did I not mention SCIENTIFICALLY CREDIBLE?

It's historically credible. Your point?

You have none. Explain the questions I brought up in my previous question.
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2006, 02:26:53 PM »
The Amazon link doesn't seem to work. Not that I think I'm missing much.

You can’t believe everything you read. I once had a massage therapist (hooker) try to convince me aliens live on the moon because she read it in some book. In life you're faced with a million sources. Because you can not look into every source, exam every claim with scrutiny, deconstruct every argument, etc. you must choose your sources well.


True.

This book has been controversial for years, but has never been discredited fully. And I have yet to meet anyone who can properly explain why Native Americans not only were familiar with Islam but also constructed monuments to negroes.
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2006, 02:42:18 PM »
Here's an interesting piece:
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ancientamerica.htm

Africans were masters of the seas (through boat making and understanding of wind patterns) for many years. They traveled the world and traded in South America long before the white man.

I had heard that Africans had discovered Americans before, but only a few years ago did I actually learn details on the subject. It was explored in my African Literature class for a whole semester, and later I talked about the subject with a teacher at U of M. Of course I had done my own research as well.
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2006, 03:54:19 PM »
I haven't read the book, so I have no idea what claims it's making, outside of the fact that they're quite fringe and sound fuckin' loopy.

My grandma has several books that describe a historical person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation conspiracy stemming back to the Knights Templar and the early French banking systems, and I'm not quite ready to accept those as true, either, given that they're contradicted by, I dunno, EVERYTHING ELSE written on the subject. Of course, when I laugh at her, she claims I'm just another blind status quo fool being led around by those evil Jews.

I'll read the link though nonetheless. Reeks of fringe far-left anthropological frippery.
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2006, 03:58:32 PM »
WHICH IS FACT AND RESEARCH to internet jockeys
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2006, 03:58:59 PM »
people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation
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« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2006, 04:08:59 PM »
people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2006, 04:14:03 PM »
I haven't read the book, so I have no idea what claims it's making, outside of the fact that they're quite fringe and sound fuckin' loopy.

My grandma has several books that describe a historical person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation conspiracy stemming back to the Knights Templar and the early French banking systems, and I'm not quite ready to accept those as true, either, given that they're contradicted by, I dunno, EVERYTHING ELSE written on the subject. Of course, when I laugh at her, she claims I'm just another blind status quo fool being led around by those evil Jews.

I'll read the link though nonetheless. Reeks of fringe far-left anthropological frippery.

Sounds credible to me!
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2006, 04:16:45 PM »
Here's an interesting piece:
http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/ancientamerica.htm

That piece is long, though the list of citations isn't long at all (hint). I went to section on black indigenous groups and decided to see what I could find on these tribes. The article claims for instance that the Washitaw Nation regained lands from the US government however there is no record of this (outside of other black revisionist websites). According to the Bureau of Indian Affairs they aren't even a recognized tribe. Nor are any of the other tribes the article mentions. WTF dode, this is black Hansism.

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Well I live in a county named after an Indian tribe...Wastenaw.

You're trying to hard Malek. It's a fact that Africans found America first. How do you explain the monuments? There's hard evidence to support this claim.

This topic has jumped off topic. But oh well, it doesn't change the facts.
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2006, 04:20:56 PM »
The fact being that America was discovered by Zheng He, the eunuch Chinese muslim.
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Re: Darwin to Blame for the Holocaust, Every Abortion and Columbine
« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2006, 04:22:56 PM »
The fact being that America was discovered by Zheng He, the eunuch Chinese muslim.

I'm down with the yellow man too.
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