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The Fake Shemp

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Re: if you enjoy comics
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2007, 12:22:53 PM »
That's not even accurate.  The Comics Code was created specifically because comics were cited as violent and detrimental to society.  The only reason why the Code has been pretty much abandoned is because the core readers that stop by their local comic book store every week, children and socially awkward males in their late 20s, no longer face the raised eyebrows of their parental units given the fact we have interactive violence (GTA!) available for purchase.
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« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2007, 12:27:09 PM »
That's not even accurate.  The Comics Code was created specifically because comics were cited as violent and detrimental to society.  The only reason why the Code has been pretty much abandoned is because the core readers that stop by their local comic book store every week, children and socially awkward males in their late 20s, no longer face the raised eyebrows of their parental units given the fact we have interactive violence (GTA!) available for purchase.

Dude I referenced that in the post. Do you know who Wertham was?
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« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2007, 12:28:27 PM »
You guys are ignorant. That is all.


Explain why comic sales are in the gutter. Find me one well adjusted adult who reads comics. One.

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Re: if you enjoy comics
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2007, 12:29:22 PM »
Willco?
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Re: if you enjoy comics
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2007, 12:31:52 PM »
Dude I referenced that in the post. Do you know who Wertham was?

Your reference was irrelevant.  Yes, I'm aware of Wertham.  And comics didn't defeat him.  They had to abide by the Code and faced scrutiny until the industry had become so small that it's irrelevant.  There was no victory.

Comics, moreso now than ever before, are for kids and socially awkward adults with disposable income.  There are your exceptions, but the industry is not mainstream.

It's dying too, because kids won't even read comics anymore.
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« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2007, 12:34:39 PM »
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It's dying too, because kids won't even read comics anymore.
It is, comic sales are in the gutter the industry is barely alive.

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Re: if you enjoy comics
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2007, 12:37:03 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2007, 12:38:37 PM »
The other part, and this is why videogames are mainstream and comic books are not, is that it's hard to justify spending $4 for a 27-page comic book (and you don't just buy one if you're a regular reader) to read colorful, fantasy stories when you have adult responsibilities like rent, family, etc.

It's far easier to justify the purchase of a videogame as an adult.  You get more for your dollar, and you can find a game that everyone can enjoy.  People don't really buy a comic book to share with others.  You're 32-years-old and you buy a Wii so your family can play Wii Tennis together.  You don't go out and buy the back catalog of 90s Ghost Rider prints so everyone can huddle around the fire and read tales of Johnny Blaze.
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« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2007, 12:41:12 PM »
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you really thought comics were lively still? The industry has been on it's death bed for a few years now.

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« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2007, 12:48:41 PM »
Marvel came back briefly around the time of X-Men and Spider-Man making headway into theatres, with a smart business plan that accounted for their small reader base.  It was really smart.  They got new, fresh writers and artists (that were cheap!) that were talented, streamlined their selection by bringing the X-Men and Spidey books down to a very manageable size and pretty much threw away continuity so people could pick up any book.  They also got rid of crossovers and SE prints of the same book (four collectable covers omg!).

It brought the company out of bankruptcy, and ushered in a renaissance for Marvel.  They were also predicting the demise of the local comic book shop, and started converting their runs into trade paperbacks very, very quickly so people could buy them at places like Borders and Amazon.  Combined with the boost they were getting from their icons hitting the silver screen, it was a great turn around.  But it was a business model that understood that its reader base was small.

Then, in a matter of a couple of years - they threw pretty much the entire business model out the window.  They expanded both the X-Men and Spidey books.  Their fresh, new talent became hot, expensive talent, which meant bidding wars with D.C. Comics (which exists solely as a tax write off for Time Warner and a place to mine for cheap movie licenses).  They began to introduce old continuity into new books.  Mass, universe-wide crossovers began again.  SE, collectable covers followed suit.

Now, Marvel is just as bloated as it ever was, and questions why some of its runs suffer such bad sales.  Duh.  You can't spread your base so thin, when there are so few people that still buy 'em.

It's distinguished mentally-challenged.
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Re: if you enjoy comics
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2007, 12:48:53 PM »
I never said that. I said I felt they broke past the barrier in terms of having respect from more mature audiences, unlike videogames. Videogame sales are driven by the 18-32yr old demographic, but the majority of people over that age still think games are childish banter. People in their 40s are more receptive to comics because at one time they read them, and that was my point. I also said that comics have surpassed the problems with censorship and parental outrage that videogames still face.

I never said anything about their sales
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Re: if you enjoy comics
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2007, 12:50:46 PM »
More mature: videogames or comics?

Better humanitarian: Stalin or Hitler?

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« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2007, 12:52:07 PM »
I never said that. I said I felt they broke past the barrier in terms of having respect from more mature audiences, unlike videogames. Videogame sales are driven by the 18-32yr old demographic, but the majority of people over that age still think games are childish banter. People in their 40s are more receptive to comics because at one time they read them, and that was my point. I also said that comics have surpassed the problems with censorship and parental outrage that videogames still face.

I never said anything about their sales

There is no mature audience for them to respect.  Nobody respects comics, hence their lack of sales.
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« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2007, 12:52:13 PM »
More likely to be sucessful out of college: Malek with a degree in philosophy or a bum?
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« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2007, 12:53:46 PM »
More likely to be sucessful out of college: Malek with a degree in philosophy or a bum?
Better than a film degree like FoC. Malek can save himself if he goes for a masters or PHD before jumping in the career world.

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Re: if you enjoy comics
« Reply #75 on: February 23, 2007, 12:54:38 PM »
More likely to be sucessful out of college: Malek with a degree in philosophy or a bum?

Only I make fun of Malek buddy >:(

Willco: as an art form comics are more respected by the general public than videogames, which aren't even considered art by many. Whether that translates into sales is irrelevent. Comic sales/interest among 40 and 50 year olds aren't much lower than videogame sales/interest in the same demographic.
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« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2007, 12:55:50 PM »
Nobody considers comic books an art form (except kids and nerds who read them), especially folks in the 40s and 50s.  This is just a really dumb generalization that isn't supported by any facts whatsoever.  Sales are down, its reader base is down and comics are looked down upon as juvenile, just as they always have.

You really need to put this in perspective.  You would not tell a date you read comics, but telling her you play games is completely okay.  Bejeweled and all those dumb Internet games are huge with old people.  You could work for say, Nintendo and people would think that's a cool job.  Old folks too.  Tell them you work for Marvel... not so much.
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« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2007, 12:58:37 PM »
40-50 years are MUCH more likely to get caught up in a video game with the family than comic, no way around that.

The art question is useless. People don't think about that stuff. The average person probably thinks art = painting anyway.