Tim Hardaway no longer hates gay people, he just wants nothing to do with them

[The Fake Shemp]

So Hardaway came out and caused a big scene by saying he hates gay people.  Now he's backtracking, but still sounds pretty bad

For your gay-hating pleasure, I give you the best parts of his ESPN interview.

Scoop: You used the word "hate" …

Tim: I know. And I don't hate anybody. I don't have a hate bone in my body.

But still you have issues with gays?

I still don't accept their lifestyle. No.

And you stand on that?

Yes. You know, we were brought up to not even condone or associate yourself with a gay person. If you knew of a gay person, disassociate yourself with them.

But Tim, you've been in Miami for years now and there is a strong and public gay community there. How have you still held on to that same mentality while living in Miami all of these years?

I just get away from it. I just walk away. I see it, I just go the other way, cross the street.

So at no point did you ever try to understand their lifestyle or way of life?

No. Never did. Never wanted to.

Do you want to now?

No. I don't want to … try to find some type of understanding of why they live the way they live or why they are the way they are. Maybe I could go to therapy, maybe someone can help me out with understanding [them], the sensitivity of the issue. But as a person, my beliefs are my beliefs. I don't have to condone it and I don't have to be around it. But I don't have to hate it either.

Was there any homosexual experience that triggered any of your resentment toward gay people that happened when you were young that none of us knows about?

When we was growing up Scoop, if we saw gay people or whatever, we ran across the street. We got away from them. Our parents, our friends, our families knew that that wasn't right. We didn't want to be around that and they definitely didn't want us kids around it.

What if I told you that I was gay?

Wow. I don't know. I honestly don't know. Wow. I'd probably be or say something like, "Me and Scoop was tight until he told me this." Our friendship may not continue to be as tight as it is but I'd let you know that you could call me, talk to me whenever, something like that. I really wouldn't know how to react to that.

But you still don't accept their lifestyle?

No. I'm opening myself up to get a better understanding of who they are, but I still don't condone what they do. I don't want to be a part of it and I still don't want to be around it.



I can't believe guys like this exist in such a modern era.

[TVC15]

"Me and Scoop was tight until he told me this."

What a piece of garbage.  This is the most laughable back-pedalling since the last time someone from Sony PR opened their mouth.

[Ichirou]

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[The Fake Shemp]

That killed me too.  What, is he like:

"Oh my god, gay people!  Quick, children - run across the street!  Do not mind oncoming traffic, God will forgive us!  Run from the homosexuals!"

[Phoenix Dark]

It's not even backpedalling now.

What if I told you that I was gay?

Wow. I don't know. I honestly don't know. Wow. I'd probably be or say something like, "Me and Scoop was tight until he told me this." Our friendship may not continue to be as tight as it is but I'd let you know that you could call me, talk to me whenever, something like that. I really wouldn't know how to react to that.

Wow. I suppose I can understand someone not being receptive to the gay lifestyle based on religious beliefs, but I absolutely cannot stand people who use that excuse to treat gays differently. If you don't like them or any other group, fine. Predjudice is not a crime. But there's a difference between predjudice and racism, and in this case prejudice and homophobia: when you treat people differently in the sense of refusing to associate with them, you cross the line. And I think Tim has done that here.

It's morbid but I would have actually respected him more if he stood his ground on the issue from the beginning. Be a man - nah, I won't call him a man - if you're going to be an asshole go all the way.

[The Fake Shemp]

He also goes into this half-assed commentary about maybe, possibly trying to somewhat fathom a middle ground understanding of gay people and their lifestyle... but then he talks about how he never wants to associate them and doesn't respect their lifestyle.

[Phoenix Dark]

And no, a gay family member wouldn't make him change his mind. I know people who have been kicked out of their family quite violently - and when I say "violently" I'm being literal - for being gay.

As I've said before I played basketball at a Christian private school for a long time as a kid. There was this girl in the school who was very, very popular; she was in highschool (a senior) while we were in junior high, but she was always nice to us. She was the captain of the girl's volleyball team, and they'd ride on the bus with us as well as the varsity basketball team. The funny thing is that she was rather...chubby, but her personality was so great that it didn't matter to anyone.

Anyway I remember arriving at the school one day and noticing everything seemed dead. People were whispering, and the teachers all looked flushed. A couple friends pulled me aside and were like "hey, did you hear what happened to Jessica?" By the end of the day I heard around 10 totally different accounts of the story, but today my understanding is that after choir practice (everything you've heard about choir practice is true lol, I've seen it) she was caught preforming oral sex on another chick. She was a lesbian and the girl she was with wasn't, which makes the story more interesting: she was "seducing" the other chick.

All her awards as well as any mention of her on record at the school was erased, except for stuff that has to be kept for transfer purposes. She was kicked out of her house. When people found out she was being helped by a guy on the varsity team he got suspended.  After that I never heard about her again; that was more than 6 years ago.

But here's the most disturbing, and I suppose funny thing about it: a year or so later the church officials discovered that our science teacher had been in a sexual relationship with one of the former students. The relationship started before her senior year and ended when she was around 19 or 20, meaning it started when she was a minor. He wasn't turned over to the police. In fact, he's still involved in the church, although I'm sure he'll never be able to preach/become a deacon/etc. All he did was confess, and was forgiven.

Now in first and second Corinthians it makes it clear that Christians are supposed to settle differences outside of court if possible and always accept people back into brotherhood once they leave their particular sinful lifestyle. This guy was having sex with a minor. The dude in Corinthians was fucking his mom. There's a big difference if you ask me. But while this guy committed a serious crime, he's let off while Jessica gets shut off from her friends and family.

The hate is very strong.

[Mondain]

in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self

that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper

[Phoenix Dark]

HAY GUYS LOOK AT ME I'M DIFF'RENT IT MAKES ME EDGY DOESN'T IT LIKE PUNK ROCK WITH TERMINAL CANCER

[Ichirou]

in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self

that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper

He can express his opinions, but we have every right to pity/ridicule him for the stupidity and ignorance of said opinions.

[TVC15]

in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self

that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper

Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying?  Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself.  He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault.  Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns.  Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.

[Ichirou]

Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying?  Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself.  He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault.  Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns.  Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.

He doesn't hate gay people.  He just thinks they're really really icky. 

[BlueTsunami]

Hes going to send them all through the only Stargate that Earth has. Hes got the hookup like that

[TVC15]

The best part is this:

I'm opening myself up to get a better understanding of who they are, but I still don't condone what they do. I don't want to be a part of it and I still don't want to be around it.

So he wants to get a better understanding but he doesn't want to get near it?  I think half of what he is saying he was told by his publicist to say, and the other half is his own dumb ass leaking through.

[Ichirou]

So he wants to get a better understanding but he doesn't want to get near it?  I think half of what he is saying he was told by his publicist to say, and the other half is his own dumb ass leaking through.

Oh, definitely...of that I have no doubt.  His publicist is telling him to backtrack but he's way too prejudiced to actually do it so he has to get his digs in on the side.

Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though?  I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point!  I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"

[Phoenix Dark]

I would hope that instead of being used to further fan the Amaechi story - which is uninspired  as far as I'm concerned - this could be used to start a conversation of the extremely high level of homophobia that is prelevent in the black community. It's definitely an issue that needs to be discussed

[Mondain]

in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self

that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper

Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying?  Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself.  He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault.  Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns.  Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.

that's the thing, how is that kind of liberal media assault justified in the first place, ain't that ridiculous

it's hard to explain oneself in front of the medias and oftentimes you fumble, and it sounds like it's pretty much them who bully him into retracting himself with the most convenient definitions that these PC zealots want to hear

Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though?  I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point!  I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"

find the irony in this principle

[TVC15]

in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self

that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper

Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying?  Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself.  He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault.  Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns.  Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.

that's the thing, how is that kind of liberal media assault justified in the first place, ain't that ridiculous

it's hard to explain oneself in front of the medias and oftentimes you fumble, and it sounds like it's pretty much them who bully him into retracting himself with the most convenient definitions that these PC zealots want to hear

Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though?  I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point!  I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"

find the irony in this principle

In other words, if Woody Allen were caught off guard, and said he HATED distinguished black fellows, you would be understanding of his plight?

You're a total joke.  Just about as bad as FoC.  You are the most see-through contrarian I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with.

[Mondain]

in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self

that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper

Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying?  Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself.  He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault.  Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns.  Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.

that's the thing, how is that kind of liberal media assault justified in the first place, ain't that ridiculous

it's hard to explain oneself in front of the medias and oftentimes you fumble, and it sounds like it's pretty much them who bully him into retracting himself with the most convenient definitions that these PC zealots want to hear

Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though?  I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point!  I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"

find the irony in this principle

In other words, if Woody Allen were caught off guard, and said he HATED distinguished black fellows, you would be understanding of his plight?

what he thinks is petty, it isn't important, and it's those liberals who give it too much importance, to the point of utter nonsense

I remember reading some case recently of another public figure who was forced to go through some form of rehabilitation camp for having uttered "cigarillo" publicly

[Phoenix Dark]

Once you recognize Mondaine exists solely to distance himself from other people by any means necessary it becomes easier to just ignore him.

Tim's comments are unjustifiable no matter how you look at things. Sure he has a right to say what he wants, but when someone starts casually throwing around statements in which they declare their hatred of an entire group of people, there's definitely a problem. And I've seen nothing to suggest he doesn't feel exactly the same - although he's too pussy to admit it publically.

[Ichirou]

what he thinks isn't important, and it's those liberals who give it too much importance, to the point of utter nonsense

I remember reading some case recently of another public figure who was forced to go through some form of rehabilitation camp for having uttered "cigarillo" publicly

So basically your comments all boil down to - THOSE DURN LIBRRUUUULLLS ARE RUINING AMMMERRRICUHHHH!!!

[TVC15]

in what kind of bullshit liberal world do we live if a guy cannot express his honest, implicit opinions politely when they aren't harmful and involve no one else than his own self

that's a better attitude than that of the thousands of prominent public figures who lie about these things to look proper

Are you missing the part where Hardaway is lying?  Not only is he going back on what he previously said, but in this very interview he contradicts himself.  He is a piece of slime trying to save himself from a media assault.  Much like PD, I would've respected him more if he had stuck to his guns.  Now, now he's just flailing and laughable.

that's the thing, how is that kind of liberal media assault justified in the first place, ain't that ridiculous

it's hard to explain oneself in front of the medias and oftentimes you fumble, and it sounds like it's pretty much them who bully him into retracting himself with the most convenient definitions that these PC zealots want to hear

Does anyone actually care what this idiot thinks, though?  I mean, how likely is it that little kids are going to read his comments and think "Wow, if Tim Hardaway hates the gays, he must have a point!  I mean, he's a professional athlete, and they are renowned for their intelligence!"

find the irony in this principle

In other words, if Woody Allen were caught off guard, and said he HATED distinguished black fellows, you would be understanding of his plight?

what he thinks is petty, it isn't important, and it's those liberals who give it too much importance, to the point of utter nonsense

I remember reading some case recently of another public figure who was forced to go through some form of rehabilitation camp for having uttered "cigarillo" publicly

Really, Jotaro?  I'd like to see you cite that case.  Also, nobody forced Hardaway to make his first statement.  You can't pin this ON THEM LIBRULS.

You REALLY need to stop talking with people that are, you know, more educated than an 8 year old, Mondain.  You don't have a leg to stand on here.  You are being purely contrarian just because no one else will.

[Phoenix Dark]

It's a typical case of someone totally shifting any sort of blame or criticism from the party in question to a third party which has nothing to do with the issue - in this case the media. While there's no denying ESPN has a financial interest in keeping this story alive, claims about the "liberal media" make no sense here.

This argument reminds me of the more juvenile, offensive stances some conservative commentators take on rape victims - "bubububu she was wearing_______." Blaming the victim

[Mondain]

Really, Jotaro?  I'd like to see you cite that case.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070124/ap_on_en_tv/tv_grey_s_anatomy_feud

LOS ANGELES - Isaiah Washington, who does the healing as a doctor on "Grey's Anatomy," is the patient now

He's in therapy for his use of an anti-gay slur against a castmate.

"With the support of my family and friends, I have begun counseling. I regard this as a necessary step toward understanding why I did what I did and making sure it never happens again," Washington said in a statement Wednesday. "I appreciate the fact that I have been given this opportunity and I remain committed to transforming my negative actions into positive results, personally and professionally."

Washington took a break from filming Tuesday to meet with gay rights activists and offer help in educating the public about the cruelty of such words, an offer the activists called sincere.

Whether Washington was receiving outpatient counseling or had entered a facility was not specified, and the statement did not indicate whether he would miss work on the show.

Washington's publicist, Kelly Mullens, declined to comment further. A call to ABC about the effect on production of the hit TV show was not immediately returned Wednesday.

Series creator and executive producer Shonda Rhimes issued her own statement, at once criticizing Washington for his use of the word "taco" about co-star T.R. Knight and lauding Washington's decision to seek help.

"I speak for all the executive producers here at `Grey's Anatomy' when I say that Isaiah Washington's use of such a disturbing word was a shocking and dismaying event that insulted not only gays and lesbians everywhere, but anyone who has ever struggled for respect in a world that is not always accepting of difference," Rhimes said.

She said she's been working within "the `Grey's family" and with ABC and the Touchstone Television studio to address the issue "in a way that underscores the gravity of the situation while giving us all a foundation for healing."

"We applaud and encourage Isaiah's realization that he needs help and his subsequent choice to seek immediate treatment for his behavioral issues," Rhimes said.

She expressed appreciation to fans during this "stressful time" and said those involved with the show would continue to "make the best television we can."

It was during an on-set quarrel last October with co-star
Patrick Dempsey that Washington reportedly used the slur about Knight, who was not present. Although Washington apologized publicly at the time, the issue boiled up again at the Jan. 15 Golden Globes when he denied using the epithet.

After being criticized last week by the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation and ABC, Washington issued an apology.

He met Tuesday with the heads of GLAAD and Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, who said Washington agreed to efforts to fight bias but that no specifics were reached.

ABC and Touchstone Television are owned by Walt Disney Co.

Also, nobody forced Hardaway to make his first statement.  You can't pin this ON THEM LIBRULS.

so what should have Hardaway answered to that question when he was pressurized on radio to tell if he'd deal with a gay teammate if at the root he isn't comfortable with gays?

You REALLY need to stop talking with people that are, you know, more educated than an 8 year old, Mondain.  You don't have a leg to stand on here.  You are being purely contrarian just because no one else will.

telling that kind of opinion always triggers these sorts of judgements on GAF's OT, and this Evilbore forum is populated almost strictly by GAF people, a forum known for its ultra liberal, ultra politically correct tendencies

I think that these views are views that a lot of normal people would hold, so I think that your point is moot

[APF]

As an NBA player, his opinion on the matter is important in the context of discussing the acceptance of gays in the NBA--a matter which itself is important because the NBA is a huge business with an enormous public face, appeal, and interest, and discussing civil rights and discrimination issues within such a business is absolutely in the public interest and a valid topic of national discussion and media attention.

[TVC15]

Yes, Jotaro, that's REALLY a "rehabilitation camp."  He's seeing a psychologist for an hour then claiming he's cured of whatever caused it.  He's not going through "rehabilitation."  His PR is working an angle.

telling that kind of opinion always triggers these sorts of judgements on GAF's OT, and this Evilbore forum is populated almost strictly by GAF people, a forum known for its ultra liberal, ultra politically correct tendencies

I'm like, not politically correct at all.  This dude is an idiot for thinking he could say what he did without a public backlash - I thinkt hat shows he's clueless and out of touch.  He's even more of an idiot for back-pedalling, ie not being consistent in his views, and then fucking up the damage control.

Dude is a grade A idiot.

[The Fake Shemp]

Actually, I would say that this forum in particular leans right, or at the very least, libertarian.  The likes of Diablos are chastized here, whereas APF and ToxicAdam are embraced as freedom fighters!

Hearts and minds

[Phoenix Dark]

Actually, I would say that this forum in particular leans right, or at the very least, libertarian.  The likes of Diablos are chastized here, whereas APF and ToxicAdam are embraced as freedom fighters!

Hearts and minds

[Cheebs]

I would say this forum far from leans right. When ever I make any polls about presidents Obama always wins in a landslide. I have done it like 3 times so far.


And ToxicAdam says he is going to vote hillary if I remember right. 

[The Fake Shemp]

It's not like there's a huge, conservative base, but this place leans conservative.  Obama is pretty much the only likeable candidate thus far, and the right really hasn't setup a proper one at all.  Obama is also moderate to conservative for a Democratic candidate.

I think there a lot of active posters with conservative views, but nobody is proposing we turn America into a theocracy or hang gay people in the streets.  Your views about conservatives have been skewed by the liberal media!

[Flannel Boy]

Dude is a grade A idiot.

That's why I don't understand why he's been getting so much attention. If we had a witch scare he'd be the first out with the implements of torture while he made his children gather up kindling. He's an ignorant dumb ex jock who thinks that gays are in league with the devil and that it is against all that is holy to be within 500 feet of one lest they spread their gay to him and force him to fornicate with Lucifer himself.

[Cheebs]

It's not like there's a huge, conservative base, but this place leans conservative.  Obama is pretty much the only likeable candidate thus far, and the right really hasn't setup a proper one at all.  Obama is also moderate to conservative for a Democratic candidate.

Hell if the general is McCain or Rudy vs Hillary I still expect the majority of the board who votes would swing hillary based on what I see.
 

[Flannel Boy]

It's not like there's a huge, conservative base, but this place leans conservative.  Obama is pretty much the only likeable candidate thus far, and the right really hasn't setup a proper one at all.  Obama is also moderate to conservative for a Democratic candidate.

Hell if the general is McCain or Rudy vs Hillary I still expect the majority of the board who votes would swing hillary based on what I see.
 

Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?

[Cheebs]

Yes, yes I know. You know something is up when ToxicAdam states he plans to vote for hillary. 

[Flannel Boy]

Yes, yes I know. You know something is up when ToxicAdam states he plans to vote for hillary. 

ToxicAdam is no conservative.

[The Fake Shemp]

I bet if you poll the forum on key political platforms, you'll find out it's pretty moderate, but leans conservative.  I've been happy with the level of political discussion thus far, becasue I don't feel like there's been anyone at the far end of either spectrum.

[Cheebs]

Yes, yes I know. You know something is up when ToxicAdam states he plans to vote for hillary. 

ToxicAdam is no conservative.

He is no Howard Dean either.

And yes its much more "conservative" than say a gaf, but doesnt tend to lean republican. This board will likely vote 3-1 for hillary over rudy/mcain.

Like Mupeppepe calls himself conservative but votes democrat.

And PD calls himself liberal but votes straight ticket republican. 

[Flannel Boy]

I bet if you poll the forum on key political platforms, you'll find out it's pretty moderate, but leans conservative.  I've been happy with the level of political discussion thus far, becasue I don't feel like there's been anyone at the far end of either spectrum.

Take a look at my pole, does it lean right or left?

Yes, yes I know. You know something is up when ToxicAdam states he plans to vote for hillary. 

ToxicAdam is no conservative.

He is no Howard Dean either.

And he's not the Dean of Bob Jones University either.

[Cheebs]

And he's not the Dean of Bob Jones University either.

of course, that is why I like about eb. They tend to be all over the place in the political spectrum, but there is little love for the republican party despite that. It isn't like gaf where it has extremist liberals and that siememeise guy who hates obama pushing the narrative along.

[Tauntaun]

I would say this forum far from leans right. When ever I make any polls about presidents Obama always wins in a landslide. I have done it like 3 times so far.


And ToxicAdam says he is going to vote hillary if I remember right. 

As my grandma might say, He's a friendly negro man.

[Cheebs]

I would say this forum far from leans right. When ever I make any polls about presidents Obama always wins in a landslide. I have done it like 3 times so far.


And ToxicAdam says he is going to vote hillary if I remember right. 

As my grandma might say, He's a friendly negro man.

He is a un-threatening black. The Bryant Gumbel of politics.

[Flannel Boy]

of course, that is why I like about eb. They tend to be all over the place in the political spectrum, but there is little love for the republican party despite that. It isn't like gaf where it has extremist liberals and that siememeise guy who hates obama pushing the narrative along.

That's my point, the so called conservatives are not especially conservative. I'm barely right wing, and really only compared to Canadians and the GAF universe.

[The Fake Shemp]

And yes its much more "conservative" than say a gaf, but doesnt tend to lean republican. This board will likely vote 3-1 for hillary over rudy/mcain.

Like I said, this line of reason is not an accurate way to account for political standing.  You'd have to poll the forum based on political platforms, not who you would vote.  I'm a registered Republican, and I'll likely vote Democrat come the next Presidential election unless the GOP amazes me with a candidate.

The Presidential election is not a good way to determine where the forum lies in terms of political standing.  Just a brief, overall view of how people react to issues, the place is moderate but leans right... certainly not left.

[Flannel Boy]

I would say this forum far from leans right. When ever I make any polls about presidents Obama always wins in a landslide. I have done it like 3 times so far.


And ToxicAdam says he is going to vote hillary if I remember right. 

As my grandma might say, He's a friendly negro man.

He is a un-threatening black. The Bryant Gumbel of politics.

Is that racist for "light skinned black man"?

HUH? 

 

[Cheebs]

And yes its much more "conservative" than say a gaf, but doesnt tend to lean republican. This board will likely vote 3-1 for hillary over rudy/mcain.

Like I said, this line of reason is pretty much inaccurate.  You'd have to poll the forum based on political platforms, not who you would vote.  I'm a registered Republican, and I'll likely vote Democrat come the next Presidential election unless the GOP amazes me with a candidate.

The Presidential election is not a good way to determine where the forum lies in terms of political standing.  Just a brief, overall view of how people react to issues, the place is moderate but leans right... certainly not left.

I agree with you even though you don't seem to realize it. 

It's what I love about eb over gaf. The gaf conservatives feel the need to suck up to fucking Mitt Romney for some reason. Here they seem more "at ease".

[Tauntaun]

my penis curves to the left 

[Cheebs]

my penis curves to the left 

Mitt Romney understands.

[Flannel Boy]

my penis curves to the left 

I'm flacid right now so I can't tell... you can call me whiteFLACID

[Tauntaun]

my penis curves to the left 

I'm flacid right now so I can't tell... you can call me whiteFLACID

dude, you are the pun master    

[Flannel Boy]

Wait I'm white and flacid, that means I'm trying to get Ronald Reagan on the ballot for 2008.

[Cheebs]

Someone get one of those sweaters. They are fucking awesome looking:

[The Fake Shemp]

He's a non-threatening black?  You might as well call him a fancy talking negro that dresses nicely, and doesn't listen to any of that hip-hop nonsense and goes to Church.  What a nice boy.

[Cheebs]

He's a non-threatening black?  You might as well call him a fancy talking negro that dresses nicely, and doesn't listen to any of that hip-hop nonsense and goes to Church.  What a nice boy.

What I find amazing when looking at the polls Obama does best among white men. Hillary does better among black people. It is quite odd.

White people want Obama more than the black community. Also whites tend to think he has a better chance at getting elected than black people.

[Flannel Boy]

Someone get one of those sweaters. They are fucking awesome looking:
(Image removed from quote.)

I hope he's in favor of euthanasia.

He's a non-threatening black?  You might as well call him a fancy talking negro that dresses nicely, and doesn't listen to any of that hip-hop nonsense and goes to Church.  What a nice boy.

I bet he can sign his own name too. Not just an X neither! Oh boy!

[The Fake Shemp]

Polls are nonsense.  This country is still too racist to vote Obama.  He'll get closer than any black person that came before him, but I think it's pretty naive to think that this country has crossed that cultural barrier yet.  The South will rise again and all that, yuck yuck.

[Flannel Boy]

What I find amazing when looking at the polls Obama does best among white men. Hillary does better among black people. It is quite odd.

White people want Obama more than the black community. Also whites tend to think he has a better chance at getting elected than black people.

White men think they're watching 24 or voting for the NBA All Star game.

Black men like white chicks, even if they're ugly.

[Cheebs]

Polls are nonsense.  This country is still too racist to vote Obama.  He'll get closer than any black person that came before him, but I think it's pretty naive to think that this country has crossed that cultural barrier yet.  The South will rise again and all that, yuck yuck.

I tend to agree but I say its worth a shot. Whadda think about america voting for a white woman in Hillary though?

I find it amazing that the democratic party as a whole adores her, yet the online wing of it despise her.

[brawndolicious]

Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?

Am I republican or democrat?

[The Fake Shemp]

I've always felt that if the Democrats throw their support behind Hilary and Obama, they're going to lose.  It's pretty simple.  The kind of voter that will vote for either a black man or a woman will be split come primaries (and I doubt they'll adopt the primary winner as their new vote), and the majority of conservative voters that like their Presidents white and with a penis will vote for the GOP candidate.

Hilary and Obama is just a poor choice for Democrats, and it's a shame they're going to blow a great opportunity to win the White House.

Hilary is a very polarizing figure.  Democrats think she's an easy win, but that's just laughable.

[Flannel Boy]

I tend to agree but I say its worth a shot. Whadda think about america voting for a white woman in Hillary though?

I find it amazing that the democratic party as a whole adores her, yet the online wing of it despise her.

Online... sounds like bitter men who live alone, hate women and post on the internet all day long... not that *I* would know anything about that.

Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?

Am I republican or democrat?

Well... FoC was the other choice, but my point was that you both suck pretty badly.