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Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?
Am I republican or democrat?
Dennis Kucinich. You are the liberal democrat that liberal democrats love to hate.



Malek, maybe but the crazy online democrats nearly got howard dean nominated.  :-X I fucking hate the daily kos wing of the democratic party.

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Would you like to watch General Hospital or Day's of Our Lives.
Would you liek to watch a FoC directed movie or read an essay written by Amnintenho?
Would you like to raped by a cactus or thorn bush?
Am I republican or democrat?
Dennis Kucinich. You are the liberal democrat that liberal democrats love to hate.



Malek, maybe but the crazy online democrats nearly got howard dean nominated.  :-X I fucking hate the daily kos wing of the democratic party.
People who are most passionate about politics are also the biggest ideologues. If anyone disagrees with anything they believe they became their enemies. I should know, I was like that once, then I turned 12.

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Well... FoC was the other choice, but my point was that you both suck pretty badly.
A. You talk to yourself online, that scared the fucking hell out of me so no essays for you.
B. FOC will never make a movie for the general public.
Dennis Kucinich. You are the liberal democrat that liberal democrats love to hate.
I'm more like Joe Biden.  I think Obama's fresh, clean, I like mammography's too.

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I've always felt that if the Democrats throw their support behind Hilary and Obama, they're going to lose.  It's pretty simple.  The kind of voter that will vote for either a black man or a woman will be split come primaries (and I doubt they'll adopt the primary winner as their new vote), and the majority of conservative voters that like their Presidents white and with a penis will vote for the GOP candidate.

Hilary and Obama is just a poor choice for Democrats, and it's a shame they're going to blow a great opportunity to win the White House.

Hilary is a very polarizing figure.  Democrats think she's an easy win, but that's just laughable.

Willco hits the nail on the head. Liberals seem to look at Obama as their pet project - they want to know if they can get a black man elected and make themselves feel good. It's not going to work. The same with Hillary, who would lose a national election in a landslide if you ask me. The only democratic candidate who could win in 2008 isn't running (Gore).

The sad thing is that this is perhaps the Democrat's best chance to win. The Republicans are in an ideological free fall, and the public is rapidly turning their back on the "my country, right or wrong patriotism" nonsense the right has been pumping for the last few years. But having a black man and a white woman as your top candidates is not going to work. I find it funny that many liberals consider the US to be a very racist, divided society when compared to Europe and the other places liberals like so much...but at the same time they feel Obama can be elected. It's not going to happen.

1. Racial divide. I don't know if it's just racism though. There are many white people out there who aren't racist at all, but I don't think they are mentally ready to let a black man assume the highest office in the land - and the world. This group of people is far larger than the closeted racists out there who won't vote for Obama just because he's black. Have you seen videos of the Little Rock 9 walking into school, and getting heckled? Do you think those white people disappeared? No, they're still there and we'll be paying for their social security for years to come, keeping the bastards alive even longer.

2. Black people don't vote. It insenses me that there are the vast majority of blacks in this country don't vote. People died for that right, yet today there's little interest in politics coming from black America. And to be frank, I don't think Obama is going to connect with those people. Obama is not going to ramble on with fallacies while complaining about how the white man has treated him, because Obama has never really been a victim of the same racism blacks in inner cities face. He doesn't connect with those people. And just as Diddy's Vote or Die campaign fizzled, expect any sort of black movement to fail with respect to Obama.

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I am curious on PD, Willco's, or anyone else's view on this is:
Whoever wins be it McCain, Hillary, Rudy, or Obama they will be a one-term president because of Iraq.

The public is pissed beyond belief and everyone wants it over NOW. The GOP base wants to win it quickly and not deal with it, the rest want to pull out and not deal with it.

There is three options for a president to take. One just continue Bush's strategy of well not doing much other than a purely metaphorical troop increase. Which would cause the president to much like Bush be despised for not doing anything. Then there is the option of a REAL troop surge of like 150k and put the country under lock down. America hates the idea of any more troops so this would cause a uproar not seen since Vietnam and the president's future will be toast.

Then there is the last option. Pull out. The second everyone is gone the country will go over the deep end the public will be pissed.

There is no option that a President can take that won't result in the public turning on them as I see it.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2007, 01:21:34 PM by Cheebs »

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Cheebs, you make a valid post, which is why I have decided that I'm going to vote for....





























































... Tim Hardaway.
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Cheebs, you make a valid post, which is why I have decided that I'm going to vote for....





























































... Tim Hardaway.
Hush I am curious what you think. I say all three viable options results in political suicide and with Iraq being THE issue someone has to fall on the sword and get this over with. The Iraq issue wont end till it ends up destroying a presidency, and no Bush's doesn't count.

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I don't care what the public thinks. America is very fickle and it's people have short attention spans. I've made my position on the future of Iraq pretty clear - I don't support any plan for withdrawl until certain goals are met. It woudl be against my moral values to simply destroy a country and then leave the area in shambles at the mercy of even worse forces outside the country.

If I was president my first goal would be to repair any damaged relationship with allies. While I don't expect foreign nations to lend more troops for military purposes, I think we could get foreign aid with respect to rebuilding the infastructure of Iraq. Repair the energy grids in Iraq. Get running, clean water in the cities. Build more schools where boys and girls can learn in the future. Until these basic things are done - as well as other things - I won't support any withdrawl plan.
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What?  Tim Hardway isn't a viable candidate because he's black?  Is that it, Cheebs?  You racist.

Tim Hardware has a set of personal beliefs that translates well to politics.  He already sounds like a politician.  He can apply his sound rules to handling homosexuals to handling terrorists.  If he sees an Arab, he will simply guide America ACROSS THE STREET and hide the children.  As long as we avoid the terrorists, we will win and that's why sports prepare you for the real world.  ON SEVEN!
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What?  Tim Hardway isn't a viable candidate because he's black?  Is that it, Cheebs?  You racist.

Tim Hardware has a set of personal beliefs that translates well to politics.  He already sounds like a politician.  He can apply his sound rules to handling homosexuals to handling terrorists.  If he sees an Arab, he will simply guide America ACROSS THE STREET and hide the children.  As long as we avoid the terrorists, we will win and that's why sports prepare you for the real world.  ON SEVEN!

Better we leave them on the street OVER THERE than run from them on the street OVER HERE
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I just realized I misspelled his name in my second paragraph as Tim Hardware :lol
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I just realized I misspelled his name in my second paragraph as Tim Hardware :lol

Obviously Home Depot is going to play a major role in his run. A screw and a screw don't go together  :-*
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I don't care what the public thinks. America is very fickle and it's people have short attention spans. I've made my position on the future of Iraq pretty clear - I don't support any plan for withdrawl until certain goals are met. It woudl be against my moral values to simply destroy a country and then leave the area in shambles at the mercy of even worse forces outside the country.

If I was president my first goal would be to repair any damaged relationship with allies. While I don't expect foreign nations to lend more troops for military purposes, I think we could get foreign aid with respect to rebuilding the infastructure of Iraq. Repair the energy grids in Iraq. Get running, clean water in the cities. Build more schools where boys and girls can learn in the future. Until these basic things are done - as well as other things - I won't support any withdrawl plan.
I tend to agree a quick pull out would be suicide but if a Democrat wins I strongly suspect the publics demands for this(which they already do demand) would be impossible to ignore and they would have to pull out.

Unless the winner is Hillary Clinton, she is too hawkish to pull out. Obama or Edwards likely would meet the public demands though.

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I don't care what the public thinks. America is very fickle and it's people have short attention spans. I've made my position on the future of Iraq pretty clear - I don't support any plan for withdrawl until certain goals are met. It woudl be against my moral values to simply destroy a country and then leave the area in shambles at the mercy of even worse forces outside the country.

If I was president my first goal would be to repair any damaged relationship with allies. While I don't expect foreign nations to lend more troops for military purposes, I think we could get foreign aid with respect to rebuilding the infastructure of Iraq. Repair the energy grids in Iraq. Get running, clean water in the cities. Build more schools where boys and girls can learn in the future. Until these basic things are done - as well as other things - I won't support any withdrawl plan.
I tend to agree a quick pull out would be suicide but if a Democrat wins I strongly suspect the publics demands for this(which they already do demand) would be impossible to ignore and they would have to pull out.

Unless the winner is Hillary Clinton, she is too hawkish to pull out. Obama or Edwards likely would meet the public demands though.

That's where I wouldn't budge. If every president who faced hard decisions caved to the public's demands this country would be very different. From the Civil War to the War of 1812 and WWI, the public has held some rather dumb positions. And with Iraq, a pullout would be suicide. And it's not about signalling defeat, as the right tries to paint things. And with respect to the left, this isn't fucking Vietnam and we aren't talking about Cambodia. An aimless Iraq left in shambles would merely sow the seeds of another conflict in 3-5 years, perhaps less once other nations start meddling.
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Look at Harry Truman. Dropping the Bomb on Japan and the Korean War resulted in him being hated beyond belief. Now he is seen as one of the top 10 presidents by most historians.

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Look at Harry Truman. Dropping the Bomb on Japan and the Korean War resulted in him being hated beyond belief. Now he is seen as one of the top 10 presidents by most historians.

Although there are many on the left who still feel the need to revise history and propogate the theory that the bomb didn't need to be dropped. Truman was a great president.

Lincoln and Wilson also faced heavy criticism from the American public over their tough decisions
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I tend to agree a quick pull out would be suicide but if a Democrat wins I strongly suspect the publics demands for this(which they already do demand) would be impossible to ignore and they would have to pull out.

Unless the winner is Hillary Clinton, she is too hawkish to pull out. Obama or Edwards likely would meet the public demands though.

I used to want a pull out as well but then I watched this video shot by an Iraqi doctor visiting some Bahgdad (however it's spelled) doctors and one Iraqi said the only thing that was keeping Iraq from complete and utter chaos was the American presence.  So I now support a big troop increase because it would pay off in the long run. 
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Look at Harry Truman. Dropping the Bomb on Japan and the Korean War resulted in him being hated beyond belief. Now he is seen as one of the top 10 presidents by most historians.

Although there are many on the left who still feel the need to revise history and propogate the theory that the bomb didn't need to be dropped. Truman was a great president.

Lincoln and Wilson also faced heavy criticism from the American public over their tough decisions
I feel dropping the bomb was a sad sad sad reality. It HAD to be done regardless of how horrible it is. Looking back on Wilson is amazing. He strongly pushed for a creation of a pre-UN and warned against being too hard on post-war Germany predicting it would backfire.

Wilson single handidly seemed to have predicted WWII  and advised on how to avoid it yet no one else in power was willing to listen.  :-\

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I OFFICIALLY REBUKE MY STATEMENT. I now do not think Obama would meet public demand and do a quick pull out regardless what he says while campaigning. I forgot about he bucked popular trend and was against the war in 2002(in which many predicted that view would kill his chances at winning a senate seat lol). Showing a tendency of him to go with his "gut" rather than polling.

I WAS MISTAKEN.  :-[

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I still stand that John Edwards would do it though!  :-* He is like 100x more antiwar now than in 2004. It's purely because the majority of the american people are. He is a poll chaser! Obama in 2002 proved he wasn't.