Author Topic: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel special. (Read 8070 times)

omg_lemurs · « **on:** February 24, 2007, 10:27:39 PM »

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Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity.

In a new documentary, Producer Cameron and his director, Simcha Jacobovici, make the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- and that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem. And, get this, Jesus sired a son with Mary Magdelene.

No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true.

Let's go back 27 years, when Israeli construction workers were gouging out the foundations for a new building in the industrial park in the Talpiyot, a Jerusalem suburb. of Jerusalem. The earth gave way, revealing a 2,000 year old cave with 10 stone caskets. Archologists were summoned, and the stone caskets carted away for examination. It took 20 years for experts to decipher the names on the ten tombs. They were: Jesua, son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Mathew, Jofa and Judah, son of Jesua.
Israel's prominent archeologist Professor Amos Kloner didn't associate the crypt with the New Testament Jesus. His father, after all, was a humble carpenter who couldn't afford a luxury crypt for his family. And all were common Jewish names.

There was also this little inconvenience that a few miles away, in the old city of Jerusalem, Christians for centuries had been worshipping the empty tomb of Christ at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Christ's resurrection, after all, is the main foundation of the faith, proof that a boy born to a carpenter's wife in a manger is the Son of God.

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

Ever the showman, (Why does this remind me of the impresario in another movie,"King Kong", whose hubris blinds him to the dangers of an angry and very large ape?) Cameron is holding a New York press conference on Monday at which he will reveal three coffins, supposedly those of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene. News about the film, which will be shown soon on Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Vision, and Israel's Channel 8, has been a hot blog topic in the Middle East (check out a personal favorite: Israelity Bites) Here in the Holy Land, Biblical Archeology is a dangerous profession. This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics. Stay tuned.
--Tim McGirk/Jerusalem

Ghost of THE ABYSS
ALIENS of the Deep

And now: THE TERMINATOR of Faith, or maybe TRUE LIES of Christ

omg_lemurs · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2007, 10:28:23 PM »

Opps. Yeah, I know this is old but it should be discussed here too.

Cheebs · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2007, 10:28:35 PM »

James Cameron is weird.

Beezy · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2007, 10:30:31 PM »

They said that they have DNA evidence.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2007, 10:30:57 PM »

Take that, Catholics! Jim Cameron has your number!

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2007, 10:39:11 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 24, 2007, 10:30:57 PM

Take that, Catholics! Jim Cameron has your number!

Shut up! We know you killed him.

GilloD · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2007, 11:12:01 PM »

That lead is great.

Also, can I see this on IMAX?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2007, 11:13:35 PM »

Quote from: malek4980 on February 24, 2007, 10:39:11 PM

Quote from: Willco on February 24, 2007, 10:30:57 PM
Take that, Catholics! Jim Cameron has your number!
Shut up! We know you killed him.

I'm just 23-years-old! That's impossible!

Ichirou · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2007, 11:21:23 PM »

How can they have actual DNA evidence that it was Jesus? That's the part I don't understand.

GilloD · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2007, 11:22:48 PM »

Quote from: Ichirou on February 24, 2007, 11:21:23 PM

How can they have actual DNA evidence that it was Jesus? That's the part I don't understand.

*jizzingpeepee.gif*

omg_lemurs · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2007, 11:28:32 PM »

They ran tests on the brown spots on the Shroud of Turin.

Turns out it was his jizz towel.

Ichirou · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2007, 11:32:42 PM »

Wasn't the Shroud of Turin proven to be from several hundred years after Jesus's supposed death and resurrection?

I know you're kidding about the jizz thing, I'm just saying there's no other place I could imagine they got actual Jesus DNA from.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:40:17 AM »

DNA tests as evidence

How would they know the DNA belongs to Jesus if they don't even have anything to cooroberate the evidence with?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:40:49 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 01:40:17 AM

DNA tests as evidence

Science

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:42:11 AM »

How would they know the DNA belongs to Jesus if they don't even have anything to cooroberate the evidence with?

Christopher · « **Reply #15 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:44:03 AM »

tsc tsc Jesus.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #16 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:47:10 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 01:42:11 AM

How would they know the DNA belongs to Jesus if they don't even have anything to cooroberate the evidence with?

They never said the DNA testing has anything to do with Jesus. That's just in your head.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #17 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:48:51 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 01:47:10 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 01:42:11 AM
How would they know the DNA belongs to Jesus if they don't even have anything to cooroberate the evidence with?

They never said the DNA testing has anything to do with Jesus. That's just in your head.

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But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

Come again?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #18 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:49:49 AM »

Where, oh where, college student does it say that the DNA testing involves Jesus? It just says they prove a very large, and general theory that includes DNA testing. They don't specify how or who. Durr.

Jumping to conclusions is awesome!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #19 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:54:47 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 01:49:49 AM

Where, oh where, college student does it say that the DNA testing involves Jesus? It just says they prove a very large, and general theory that includes DNA testing. They don't specify how or who. Durr.

Jumping to conclusions is awesome!

Perhaps you never learned basic English in terms of creating sentences; I think that's covered on the GED.

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But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

The article suggests that the movie's creators have a group of evidence that includes archeological evidence, Biblical studies, and DNA tests that "prove" the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family. How is that hard to understand?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:56:36 AM »

Again, you have NO CONTEXT for the DNA testing whatsoever. HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND. The DNA testing might involve something absolutely trivial to the matter.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:59:10 AM »

No fucking context? Do you know how to read a sentence?

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But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

What does that mean to you?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:59:34 AM »

To elaborate, I will provide an example for you because you are unable to handle the possibility that Jesus was not as divine as believed - they could've just simply tested people indigenous to the area to that of the theorized origins of Jesus. There's nothing conclusive, but I highly doubt Jim Cameron said, "Hey, we got Jesus' DNA sample in the back!"

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #23 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:02:53 AM »

Well the article certainly presents the idea that they have DNA evidence; don't backtrack.

I'll watch the documentary when it comes out and see for myself; I love documentaries, and I've seen good ones from Cameron (and Scorsese for that matter).

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #24 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:04:14 AM »

How did what I just post not consist of evidence? It is evidence to support their theory. Just because it's not Jesus' DNA doesn't make it invalid, nor does evidence help if their theory isn't sound.

Ichirou · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:05:46 AM »

The DNA evidence thing could mean anything. I doubt this is going to be conclusive, and even if it is, I don't see any Christians buying it, even if it were 100% accurate.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:08:22 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 02:04:14 AM

How did what I just post not consist of evidence? It is evidence to support their theory. Just because it's not Jesus' DNA doesn't make it invalid, nor does evidence help if their theory isn't sound.

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But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

Are you looking at the same sentence I am? The DNA of indigenous people in the surrounding area would be irrelevent in terms of evidence that would scientifically prove these 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

You don't have to know much about DNA to realize the article's claim is laughable

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #27 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:09:32 AM »

Dude, it doesn't say DNA test PROVE Jesus is not divine, it says it has DNA evidence in conjunction with biblical studies and archelogical evidence that they CLAIM proves their THEORY.

YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP.

Beezy · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:12:10 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 02:09:32 AM

YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP.

Just like James Cameron.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:13:37 AM »

Quote from: Beezy on February 25, 2007, 02:12:10 AM

Just like James Cameron.

Maybe. Let's see what the hell he has in terms of evidence before we burn him at the stake for being a heretic, instead of just slandering him without any context whatsoever.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #30 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:14:50 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 02:09:32 AM

Dude, it doesn't say DNA test PROVE Jesus is not divine, it says it has DNA evidence in conjunction with biblical studies and archelogical evidence that they CLAIM proves their THEORY.

YOU ARE MAKING THINGS UP.

No, you're making no sense as usual, and are unwilling to admit someone called you on bullshit.

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But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

I'm not even arguing about whether he was divine or not. I am finding fault in the idea that they could find DNA evidence to prove someone is Jesus (or anyone for that matter) without any cooroberative evidence.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:17:00 AM »

But you don't even know the context of the DNA testing to begin with, so you can find fault with nothing

SCIENCE

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #32 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:19:03 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 02:17:00 AM

But you don't even know the context of the DNA testing to begin with, so you can find fault with nothing

SCIENCE

Here's the context presented in the article:

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But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family.

That's not science

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #33 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:21:06 AM »

Dude, there's no context for the DNA testing present in the article. We're all laughing at you in IRC about it right now.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #34 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:22:49 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 02:21:06 AM

Dude, there's no context for the DNA testing present in the article. We're all laughing at you in IRC about it right now.

No context? The article claims that a part of the movie's evidence is the DNA

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #35 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:24:46 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 02:22:49 AM

No context? The article claims that a part of the movie's evidence is the DNA

I repeat, do you know what the DNA testing is or what it involves? It's just a part of their theory, and the DNA testing could be of anything. We don't know. Hence, it's not in context to find fault with. Call me after you've seen the documentary.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #36 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:26:00 AM »

when does it air?

Ichirou · « **Reply #37 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:28:55 AM »

Dude, no one knows in what context the DNA testing is...the article is probably intentionally vague so people will want to watch the program.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #38 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:29:11 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 02:24:46 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 02:22:49 AM
No context? The article claims that a part of the movie's evidence is the DNA

I repeat, do you know what the DNA testing is or what it involves? It's just a part of their theory, and the DNA testing could be of anything. We don't know. Hence, it's not in context to find fault with. Call me after you've seen the documentary.

What else could it be? Do you know anything about DNA? Random DNA from the populance would be insignifigant. They have no firm evidence to check anything, and from a scientific point of view I can't think of anything they could have. And obviously you can't either because the one example you gave was very poor.

It's not like they can run any of this DNA through a database and find matches lol

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #39 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:29:26 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on February 25, 2007, 02:28:55 AM

Dude, no one knows in what context the DNA testing is...the article is probably intentionally vague so people will want to watch the program.

Ya think?

Ichirou · « **Reply #40 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:31:20 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 02:29:26 AM

Quote from: Ichirou on February 25, 2007, 02:28:55 AM
Dude, no one knows in what context the DNA testing is...the article is probably intentionally vague so people will want to watch the program.

Ya think?

OFF COURSE.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #41 on:** February 25, 2007, 02:39:02 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on February 25, 2007, 02:31:20 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 02:29:26 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on February 25, 2007, 02:28:55 AM
Dude, no one knows in what context the DNA testing is...the article is probably intentionally vague so people will want to watch the program.

Ya think?

OFF COURSE.

I like the way you think

The idea of Jesus' divinity never crossed my mind as I read the OP. I've taken enough biology classes (genetics SUCKS ASS) and watched enough CSI to know about DNA testing. And even based on common sense the article's claims don't add up.

But as I said, I will definitley see this. I'm sure this won't be the last thread on this

brawndolicious · « **Reply #42 on:** February 25, 2007, 03:29:55 AM »

The DNA testing is probably to prove the bodies are related.

did your fuck idiotic LOL-U-GED mind comprehend that?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #43 on:** February 25, 2007, 03:31:17 AM »

Related to what? And how would they prove it's Jesus in the first place lol

brawndolicious · « **Reply #44 on:** February 25, 2007, 03:37:36 AM »

archaological evidence can be used to prove who another person in the crypt is, prove with dna that they're son/relative/wife of jesus.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #45 on:** February 25, 2007, 03:43:02 AM »

The point is they don't have any DNA evidence to colabarate with. How will they know whether someone is Jesus' reletive if they don't even know it's Jesus for sure...

brawndolicious · « **Reply #46 on:** February 25, 2007, 03:56:21 AM »

So you've been posting for two pages thinking that you were making a point by saying that their theory is not completely proven, do you have any purpose in life?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #47 on:** February 25, 2007, 04:00:50 AM »

Huh? I've wasted two pages arguing with people who either don't understand sentence structure or who simply don't care. The article listed DNA as a part of the evidence proving the body belongs to Jesus. I pointed out the laughable nature of such a claim, and so far no one has been able to challenge that.

When the movie comes out we will all have a better idea of what's going on. As it stands, the article is worded very poorly, and certainly lacks any scientific relevence. Until the movie/DVD/whatever comes out I'm done with this conversation.

At least TVC and Malek know how to carry on an intelligent discussion. You and Willco are pretty sucky

brawndolicious · « **Reply #48 on:** February 25, 2007, 04:09:55 AM »

You were wrong about that, I just proved a fucking way for their to be context, that's an idea that may be in the movie but you wanted to bitch about it NOW and what do you know, nobody supports your side of the argument.

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #49 on:** February 25, 2007, 04:13:08 AM »

This would be crazy if true. If it is...I'm going to call both my old grandmothers on each side of my family on Easter and tell them the news. One of the will probably pass on due to a heart attack

$:-\$

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #50 on:** February 25, 2007, 09:38:15 AM »

Phoenix Dark just can't handle that Jesus was human. DAMAGE CONTROL.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #51 on:** February 25, 2007, 09:47:39 AM »

Awesome, the news conference is on Monday. James Cameron will be our new prophet!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #52 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:15:37 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 09:47:39 AM

Awesome, the news conference is on Monday. James Cameron will be our new prophet!

Do you have a link? It probably won't be on TV but I bet there will be a video of it online

Cheebs · « **Reply #53 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:21:10 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 01:15:37 PM

Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 09:47:39 AM
Awesome, the news conference is on Monday. James Cameron will be our new prophet!

Do you have a link? It probably won't be on TV but I bet there will be a video of it online

CNN/MSNBC/FNC will air any news conference regardless how absurd probably, and this is getting a lot of press I expect to see it on the "big 3".

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #54 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:22:21 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on February 25, 2007, 01:21:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2007, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: Willco on February 25, 2007, 09:47:39 AM
Awesome, the news conference is on Monday. James Cameron will be our new prophet!

Do you have a link? It probably won't be on TV but I bet there will be a video of it online
CNN/MSNBC/FNC will air any news conference regardless how absurd probably, and this is getting a lot of press I expect to see it on the "big 3".

Sounds good. I look forward to it

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #55 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:28:58 PM »

Was talking to my parents about it earlier. My Dad laughed was like...whoooo knooooows and my Mother was like "If this is true, its just a test, god is testing our faith"

ARGHJhhhhhhhhhalskdjflksdj

Its the fail safe lock moving into place. You could have undeniable proof of Jesus's non divinity and you'll still have people believing (and using the "God is testing us" rationale). I'm surprised that I'm actually surprised by this though...I really shouldn't be $:-\$

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #56 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:30:24 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on February 25, 2007, 01:28:58 PM

Was talking to my parents about it earlier. My Dad laughed was like...whoooo knooooows and my Mother was like "If this is true, its just a test, god is testing our faith"

ARGHJhhhhhhhhhalskdjflksdj

Its the fail safe lock moving into place. You could have undeniable proof of Jesus's non divinity and you'll still have people believing (and using the "God is testing us" rationale). I'm surprised that I'm actually surprised by this though...I really shouldn't be $:-\$

There are two sides of that coin. There could be evidence of his divinity or any other major facet of the Bible and you and your ilk would dismiss it right away.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #57 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:34:04 PM »

Next they should prove whether Beauty really did hit it with the Beast.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #58 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:36:03 PM »

Of course not lol. They didn't do it until he became a prince

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Or did they...

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The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #59 on:** February 25, 2007, 01:36:56 PM »

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Author Topic: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel special. (Read 8070 times)