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Was talking to my parents about it earlier. My Dad laughed was like...whoooo knooooows and my Mother was like "If this is true, its just a test, god is testing our faith"

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Its the fail safe lock moving into place. You could have undeniable proof of Jesus's non divinity and you'll still have people believing (and using the "God is testing us" rationale). I'm surprised that I'm actually surprised by this though...I really shouldn't be :-\

There are two sides of that coin. There could be evidence of his divinity or any other major facet of the Bible and you and your ilk would dismiss it right away.

I mean, I'm open to many things, so if there was proof of it I would jump on the Christianity band wagon :lol

But its more or less the pre emptive damage controlling (lol my Mom was damage controlling Jesus).
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Was talking to my parents about it earlier. My Dad laughed was like...whoooo knooooows and my Mother was like "If this is true, its just a test, god is testing our faith"

ARGHJhhhhhhhhhalskdjflksdj

Its the fail safe lock moving into place. You could have undeniable proof of Jesus's non divinity and you'll still have people believing (and using the "God is testing us" rationale). I'm surprised that I'm actually surprised by this though...I really shouldn't be :-\

There are two sides of that coin. There could be evidence of his divinity or any other major facet of the Bible and you and your ilk would dismiss it right away.

I mean, I'm open to many things, so if there was proof of it I would jump on the Christianity band wagon :lol

But its more or less the pre emptive damage controlling (lol my Mom was damage controlling Jesus).

You seem more reasonable, but there's no doubt in my mind that people like Willco and Malek are so deeply rooted in their paticular religion that nothing could convince them otherwise
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I honestly, truly wish that Cameron presents enough evidence to support this claim so that the Catholic Church cannot simply dismiss it.  My guess is the Vactican has got a bunch of circumstantial conjecture lined up to dispute this, ("Bu bu but so and so said so and so in so and so!"), despite the fact that the Church is notorious for destroying evidence they don't like (Judas' gospels anyone?) and trying to re-write history in relation to Jesus post-crucifixatin.

Maybe this will open some eyes, but I'm pretty sure those deep in faith will not belive the tomfoolery of some Hollywood snake oil salesman.  I'd be glad to see this used to combat the ignorant practices of faith, but I'd really like to see people restore Jesus as good person with a good message, not the divine son of God which was created by a group of individuals 180 - 200 years after the fact.

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You seem more reasonable, but there's no doubt in my mind that people like Willco and Malek are so deeply rooted in their paticular religion that nothing could convince them otherwise.

What are you talking about?  I'm not deep rooted in any religion.  The only one knee deep in religious ignorance is you.  I won't even bring up your ridiculous faith-based topics prior to this one.
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So does this mean another 10 years of lame docs before he makes another movie?

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So does this mean another 10 years of lame docs before he makes another movie?

Depends on how this press conference goes.
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There's no denying the Vatican has destroyed evidence throughout its creation; that's a fact, and a sad one at that. With respect you your 180-200 year projection, you're dead off as usual, but why waste my time arguing with someone who doesn't know how.

I've made some ridiculous comments, some in joking and some in serious discussion. With respect to your own religion I see you're quite content with it - along with Malek.
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There's no denying the Vatican has destroyed evidence throughout its creation; that's a fact, and a sad one at that. With respect you your 180-200 year projection, you're dead off as usual, but why waste my time arguing with someone who doesn't know how.

:lol

This should be fun.  I bet you think that it was established that Jesus was divine was the First Council of Nicaea and you'd be wrong.  It's pretty funny that you don't know anything about your own religion.  Did you just read The Da Vinci Code or somethnig?

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I've made some ridiculous comments, some in joking and some in serious discussion. With respect to your own religion I see you're quite content with it - along with Malek.

Uh, the religion of sanity?  I prescribe to no organized religion.
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I have a religion?

I do seem to worship many things. Usually goddesses or God like musicians.

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We're infidels, because we don't believe that science is evil.  Also, we weren't home schooled.  Obviously, we're SATANISTS.
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Science answers all the glaring wholes religion cannot. Science wins.

Now get on that Jesus flick, Jimmy! Arnie as Jesus. Brilliance.

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I found a breakdown of what the evidence is:

Although the evidence contained in the film and book is hardly definitive, it is compelling. Inscribed in Hebrew, Latin or Greek, six boxes — taken from a 2,000-year-old cave discovered in March, 1980, during excavation for a housing project in Talpiyot, south of Jerusalem — bear the names: Yeshua (Jesus) bar Yosef (son of Joseph); Maria (the Latin version of Miriam, which is the English Mary); Matia (the Hebrew equivalent of Matthew, a name common in the lineage of both Mary and Joseph); Yose; (the Gospel of Mark refers to Yose as a brother of Jesus); Yehuda bar Yeshua, or Judah, son of Jesus; and in Greek, Mariamne e mara — meaning 'Mariamne, known as the master.' According to Harvard professor Francois Bovon, interviewed in the film, Mariamne was Mary Magdalene's real name.

The bones once contained in the boxes have long since been reburied, according to Jewish custom — in unmarked graves in Israel.

If the evidence adduced is correct, the bone boxes — and microscopic remains of DNA still contained inside — would constitute the first archaeological evidence of the existence of the Christian saviour and his family.

Tests on mitochondrial DNA obtained from the Jesus and Mariamne boxes and conducted at Lakehead University's Paleo-DNA laboratory, in Thunder Bay, Ont., show conclusively that the two individuals were not maternally related. According to Dr. Carney Matheson, the lab's head, this likely means they were related by marriage.

Thus, the book and film raise seminal questions, not only about the early movement of Judeo-Christians that Jesus led, but about whether, as some scholars believe, he might have been married to Mary Magdalene and fathered a family.

Nothing in the film or book challenges traditional Christian dogma regarding the resurrection. But it could pose a problem for those that believe Jesus' ascension, 40 days after the resurrection, was both physical and spiritual. And, if further DNA testing were to link Jesus and Yose with Mary, it would call into question the entire doctrine of the Virgin Birth.

The $4-million documentary is the work two Canadians — Emmy-award winner director Simcha Jacobovici and his executive producer, Oscar-award winning filmmaker James Cameron. It will air on Canada's Vision TV on March 6th and later next month on Discovery US and Britain's Channel 4. A companion book, The Jesus Family Tomb, by Mr. Jacobovici and Dr. Charles Pellegrino, has just been released (Harper Collins).

Mr. Jacobovici and Mr. Cameron are scheduled to hold a press conference Monday morning at the New York Public Library, with the Jesus and Mary Magdelene ossuaries, flown in from Israel, on display.

Meanwhile, security agents have been hired to stand guard outside the Talpiyot apartments beneath which the tomb lies, covered by a large cement plate.

"I don't think this changes the fundamentals of faith," Mr. Cameron said in an interview this week. "But the evidence is pretty darn compelling and it definitely bears further study."

Not everyone agrees. "It's a beautiful story, but without any proof whatsoever," archaeologist Dr. Amos Kloner, who wrote the original report on the Talpiyot cave findings, told an Israeli reporter last week. "The names...found on the tombs are names that are similar to the names of the family of Jesus. But those were the most common names found among Jews in the first centuries BCE and CE."

Yet if the individual names were common, the film and book ask: what is the likelihood that this particular group of names, so resonant of the Jesus story, would appear together, contained in the same family tomb?

"There are really only two possibilities," says director Jacobovici. "Either this cluster of names represents the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth and his family. Or some other family, with this very same constellation of names, existed at precisely the same time in history in Jerusalem."

To calculate the odds, Mr. Jacobovici took the data to University of Toronto mathematician Dr. Andrey Feuerverger. Factoring in the commonality of these names in first-Century Israel, Dr. Feuerverger puts the odds of this tomb not belonging to Jesus and his family at one in 600.

Another estimate, commissioned by Dr. James Tabor, chair of the department of religion studies at the University of North Carolina, puts the odds at one in 42 million. "If you took the entire population of Jerusalem at the time," says Dr. Taber, "and put it in a stadium, and asked everyone named Jesus to stand up, you'd have about 2,700 men. Then you'd ask only those with a father named Joseph and a mother named Mary to remain standing. And then those with a brother named Yose and a brother named James. Statistically, you end up with one person."

The James reference is significant because of the 10 ossuaries found at Talpiyot, one later disappeared. Many experts believe that coffin is the now infamous 'James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus' ossuary that turned up a few years ago and was put on public display at the Royal Ontario Museum.

Although many scholars have called the inscription 'brother of Jesus' a modern-day forgery, at least as many academics continue to believe in its authenticity.

Moreover, tests conducted for The Lost Tomb of Jesus show that the patina encrusted on the James ossuary bears precisely the same chemical thumbprint as the other ossuaries found at Talpiyot.

Neither the provenance nor the age of the ossuaries is not in dispute. The boxes, never out of the control of professional archaeologists, are effectively self-dating, since the practice of re-interring the bones of the dead in limestone boxes a year after death was conducted by Jews in the Holy Land for a period of only 100 years. Prominent families stored the boxes in family tombs.

Moreover, all the inscriptions have been corroborated by some of the world's leading epigraphers, including Harvard's Frank Moore Cross.

The 'Jesus, son of Joseph' marking is considered rare; of thousands of inscriptions so far catalogued, only one other bone coffin contained the same construction.

No Christian tradition suggests that Jesus had a son, but the Gospel of John does refer to "the beloved disciple" who rests on Jesus' lap at the last supper.

And perhaps, says Mr. Jacobovici, "although this is pure speculation, when Jesus on the cross says 'mother, behold thy son,' he's not referring to himself or to his mother, but to his son, who is there with Mary Magdalene".

The book of Mark, he adds, also contains a passage that might allude to a son — a reference to a young man, wearing nothing but linen who follows Jesus after his arrest and, when guards try to apprehend him, slips out of his clothes and escapes naked.

"That's a very odd story," says Mr. Jacobovici. "There's no name is given for the young lad, but the gospel writer obviously thought it was important to tell it."

"None of us," maintains Dr. Tabor, "are gleefully presenting this as though we've trumped Christianity. If anything, it might help clarify and refine it a bit. Some people will immediately say this is sensationalism. I don't agree with that. I know enough about it to say this is a subject that deserves serious and continued investigation."

Indeed, it's likely that there will be sequel to The Lost Tomb of Jesus. While searching for the original Talpiyot cave, the filmmakers stumbled upon a second crypt, only 20 meters away that has never been explored by archaeologists. A miniature camera inserted into the tomb revealed three ossuaries.

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So the DNA testing proves that those in the coffins are from marriage or family.  The missing ossuary evidence is also pretty compelling.
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GOD IS TESTING OUR FAITH :'(
James Cameran is testing our faith.But I failed long ago.

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Faith is for the weak.

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Faith is for the weak.

I have no faith in that assertion. 

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Where did you find that Willco?

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I find it in CANADA!

I'm in your Canada stealing your newspaper articles.

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The damage control is already beginning!

"Simcha has no credibility whatsoever," says Joe Zias, who was the curator for anthropology and archeology at the Rockefeller Museum in Jerusalem from 1972 to 1997 and personally numbered the Talpiot ossuaries. "[Simcha] is pimping off the Bible … He got this guy Cameron, who made 'Titanic' or something like that—what does this guy know about archeology? I am an archeologist, but if I were to write a book about brain surgery, you would say, 'Who is this guy?' People want signs and wonders. Projects like these make a mockery of the archeological profession." Cameron's reply: "I don't profess to be an archeologist or a Biblical scholar. I'm a film producer. I found it compelling. I think we're on firm ground to say that much."

"It's a typical Jewish burial cave of a large size," an Israeli archeologist says. "The names on the ossuaries are very common names or derivatives of names." The echo of the names of the members of the Holy Family, he says, "is just a coincidence."

"The New Testament is very clear on this," says Alan Segal, religion professor at Barnard College. "Jesus was put in a tomb that didn't belong to him and then he rose and there was nothing left."  As Segal goes on to argue, "Why would Jesus' family have a tomb outside of Jerusalem if they were from Nazareth? Why would they have a tomb if they were poor?"
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Jesus pwnt
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This has already been done in fluff fiction form. But, it does go over the mitochondrial DNA evidence and the odds of names in pretty decent detail for a fast reading fiction (based on some historical facts) book.

http://www.amazon.com/Cross-Temperance-Brennan-Novels-Paperback/dp/0743453026/sr=8-8/qid=1172508582/ref=pd_bbs_8/105-8422316-2037220?ie=UTF8&s=books


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Ben Witherington has posted a response to this news on his blog:

http://benwitherington.blogspot.com/
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This whole thing sounds like it could be the Indiana Jones 4 script.
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Sounds a lot like sour grapes, because on a few of his points, he's arguing pretty much against nothing. 

And first thing's first - he states Simcha is a Jew, as if he that right there should prove that this means nothing.

In terms of his counterpoints, he states that all the DNA analysis could show that that family was inter-related... at most.  But Simcha has never said otherwise and nobody claimed it was definitive DNA proof that the remains belong to Jesus. 

Most of his historial counterpoints seem to come from the New Testatment (he pretty much asserts he's a firm believer in the resurrectuion), which at that point, I pretty much disregard anything he says on the matter.  If you stand on that as an accurate historical record, then you're pretty much just arguing on faith.

He goes on to say that the James ossuary was a forgery, but countless others have said this is just the uninformed Israeli government, hesitant to upset their Christian allies.  Futhermore, through chemical analysis, they've proven that it came from the Talpiot tomb.

The only legitimate argument he has against this theory, and the only one that will prevent this from ever being remotely definitive, is the statistic analysis of the names on the inscription.  His friend, says the odds are lower than what others state.  But even Simcha shows several different takes on the statistical analysis.  The fact is, the combination of names is pretty eerie no matter what, it's now just a matter of people believing it's a coincidence or not.

Oh, and by the way, he goes on to pimp his own Jesus book at the end of the article :lol
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Willco: PUZZLE QUEST
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Willco: TEH JESUS DNA
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Disposable White Guy: EVEN JESUS
Disposable White Guy: SOMETIMES THEY GET CAUGHT IN THE SAP FROM A TREE
Disposable White Guy: OVER TIME THAT SAP HARDENS INTO WHAT WE CALL AMBER
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Disposable White Guy: AFTER SPLICING IT WITH FROGS
Disposable White Guy: BINGO
Disposable White Guy: JESUS REBORN!

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Most of his historial counterpoints seem to come from the New Testatment (he pretty much asserts he's a firm believer in the resurrectuion), which at that point, I pretty much disregard anything he says on the matter.  If you stand on that as an accurate historical record, then you're pretty much just arguing on faith.


Uh, without using the New Testament as a "historical source", you can't say practically anything about Jesus.  Even the makers of this documentary have to be using the New Testament as a historical source, otherwise they can have no basis for claiming that this tomb is the tomb of the Jesus from the Bible.
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The New Testament only includes canonical gospels; there are others out there and plenty of historical evidence that include names and historical record.

Most of the stuff in the New Testatment was written 70 years after the fact, and many people think that two of which are written by the same person.  I think it's pretty crazy to argue that it should be held up as fact.

And Cameron and Simcha would be wise not to base their theory on the New Testatment, as their theory pretty much goes againt almost all of what is said.
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Arguing that the canonical gospels were written 70 years after the fact, and then pointing to other gospels doesn't make much sense, considering the non-canonical ones were all written much later than the canonical ones, I think.
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Arguing that the canonical gospels were written 70 years after the fact, and then pointing to other gospels doesn't make much sense, considering the non-canonical ones were all written much later than the canonical ones, I think.

Thank you.

For instance, Romans was written shortly after the stoning of Steven.
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Not true.  A lot of non-canonical gospels could've been written at the same time or even earlier, as carbon dating on the Gospel of Judas shows (without being super accurate, the earliest known fragment may have existed around the time of the Gospel of John), but we don't know because copies of them were not created or kept intact to the same extent that the canonical ones were.

And I'm not saying that Jesus didn't exist or was mythic.  If you throw enough shit at a wall, something is bound to stick.  But the New Testatment is littered with all kinds of holes, and other pieces of evidence dispute other pieces of evidence.  Using the New Testatment to argue against the validity of a theory is pretty insane, because we don't know how accurate it is at all whatsoever.

The only thing that are pulled from the New Testatment in this theory are names, and really, who is going to argue that the entire Jesus clan was made up?
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2) there is no independent DNA control sample to compare to what was garnered from the bones in this tomb. By this I mean that the most the DNA evidence can show is that several of these folks are inter-related. Big deal. We would need an independent control sample from some member of Jesus' family to confirm that these were members of Jesus' family. We do not have that at all. In addition mitacondrial DNA does not reveal genetic coding or XY chromosome make up anyway. They would need nuclear DNA for that in any case. So the DNA stuff is probably thrown in to make this look more like a real scientific fact. Not so much.

Hey what do you know, the same fucking point I made over and over yesterday
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I addressed that, Phoenix Dark.  Sichma never, ever said otherwise.  Your point is irrelevant.  His DNA testing was to prove that family was inter-related, which is what Witherington say is possible!  Uh oh!
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Not true.  A lot of non-canonical gospels could've been written at the same time or even earlier, as carbon dating on the Gospel of Judas shows (without being super accurate, the earliest known fragment may have existed around the time of the Gospel of John), but we don't know because copies of them were not created or kept intact to the same extent that the canonical ones were.

And I'm not saying that Jesus didn't exist or was mythic.  If you throw enough shit at a wall, something is bound to stick.  But the New Testatment is littered with all kinds of holes, and other pieces of evidence dispute other pieces of evidence.  Using the New Testatment to argue against the validity of a theory is pretty insane, because we don't know how accurate it is at all whatsoever.

The only thing that are pulled from the New Testatment in this theory are names, and really, who is going to argue that the entire Jesus clan was made up?

You're still absurdly handicapping any critique of this documentary.  The theory from the documentary is based on New Testament sources.  To then turn around and say that any critique of this theory that relies on New Testament sources to refute it has no merit is utterly ridiculous.

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Looks like you jumped the gun a bit early Willco, whoops
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You're still absurdly handicapping any critique of this documentary.  The theory from the documentary is based on New Testament sources.  To then turn around and say that any critique of this theory that relies on New Testament sources to refute it has no merit is utterly ridiculous.

No, not really.  I said there is a legitimate argument to be made that this is a coincidence, that the names are open for individual intepretation and the statistics will change depending on whomever is running the numbers.  But see, that is what we call science, and it's obviously over Phoenix Dark's head.

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Looks like you jumped the gun a bit early Willco, whoops

Looks like you were wrong on the DNA testing again, whoops!
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Looks like Willco is set for another big hurting. lolz.
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Looks like Willco is set for another big hurting. lolz.

In 2,000 years, on Earth 2, when they unveil Scorcese's tomb, he will be nothing but a bag of bones desperately clutching his pity Oscar.
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Re: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel speci
« Reply #100 on: February 26, 2007, 01:51:56 PM »
And I bet he could STILL make a better film than Raimi! :spin
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he could make a film with jennifer hudson and halle berry for the PITY OSCAR TRIFECTA
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Also, Sichma and Cameron said this morning that this theory should not invalidate the possibility that Jesus was resurrected.  Sichma even said, "If he rose from one tomb, why not another?"  They both agree that the most important thing to take from this is Jesus' message and the possibility of exploring more into the historical accuracy.

There are a lot of knee jerk reactions, because Christians are afraid that this takes away Jesus' divinity.  The only thing it really could disprove, theoretically, is that Jesus did not have a son.  But there's been no further DNA analysis on that tomb.

And nothing will ever be definitive, it's just another theory based on biblical stuff.  It's the most sensational one to come out in awhile, and pretty compelling - but it'll never be a fact.

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Was all this being released (as far as the info) on Lent purposeful? Cause thats like adding insult to injury  :'(
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 :lol

It's being released now because the companion book was just finished and published.  It's definitely a money venture.
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Ah ok

Cause I'll have a family member thats all like...shit I gotta give up meat on Wednesday and then on each and every Friday up till Easter. Then I'll be like, Jesus wasn't that Devine heres a link to the findings, now eat a huge ass pig if you want. We'll high five eachother and laugh.
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Re: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel speci
« Reply #106 on: February 26, 2007, 02:11:11 PM »
Lent is a waste of time.
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Re: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel speci
« Reply #107 on: February 26, 2007, 02:13:25 PM »
Looks like Willco is set for another big hurting. lolz.

lol I think the DNA aspect is very interesting, but not the biggest hole. The historical holes are telling, as is the name(s) issue.
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Except, you've argued neither of those and spent your time looking stupid on the DNA issue.  First, you claimed it was bogus that they claimed they had definitive Jesus "trapped in amber!" DNA.  Which, because you jumped the gun, was false and completely stupid on your part.  There's not any hole in the DNA argument, because the DNA is not being argued to say that this is Jesus - it's being argued to say the bodies in the tomb are inter-related.

If you had said that the statistical evdience of the combination of names, or even the interpretation of the names left much to be desired, you might have had a leg to stand on.

But way to point out a flaw after I mentioned it for you.
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Dude, you're arguin' with HOME SCHOOLIN'. PD still thinks the world was created in 6 or 7 days, and that evolution is a giant myth!
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Re: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel speci
« Reply #110 on: February 26, 2007, 02:21:43 PM »
Except, you've argued neither of those and spent your time looking stupid on the DNA issue.  First, you claimed it was bogus that they claimed they had definitive Jesus "trapped in amber!" DNA.  Which, because you jumped the gun, was false and completely stupid on your part.  There's not any hole in the DNA argument, because the DNA is not being argued to say that this is Jesus - it's being argued to say the bodies in the tomb are inter-related.

If you had said that the statistical evdience of the combination of names, or even the interpretation of the names left much to be desired, you might have had a leg to stand on.

But way to point out a flaw after I mentioned it for you.

Not really. I didn't know those names were so popular until I read the article; well I had a feeling about some of the names, but I certainly would not have guessed that Jesus was such a popular name at the time. I find that interesting, and I'll definitely chuckle next time I hear some distinguished mentally-challenged fellow say "lolz Muslims have no respect for their god Mohammed since they name their kids after him. lolz what a god" :lol

With respect to the DNA, my point about having a comparative strand still stands.
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Re: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel speci
« Reply #111 on: February 26, 2007, 02:22:41 PM »
With respect to the DNA, my point about having a comparative strand still stands.

Uh, no it doesn't.  NOBODY is arguing that the DNA belongs to Jesus, it was used to prove the bodies were inter-related.  YOU ARE POSSIBLY THE DUMBEST HOME SCHOOLED KID ALIVE.
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Re: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel speci
« Reply #112 on: February 26, 2007, 02:25:15 PM »
I wonder how well Avatar is going to do. Fox  budgeted it for over 200 million and Cameron ALWAYS goes over-budget. It will hilarious if Cameron's first post-Titanic movie loses money.

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« Reply #114 on: February 26, 2007, 02:26:43 PM »
I wonder how well Avatar is going to do. Fox  budgeted it for over 200 million and Cameron ALWAYS goes over-budget. It will hilarious if Cameron's first post-Titanic movie loses money.

I'm kinda bummed about the prospect of watching another fully CGI movie in the spirt of that Final Fantasy shit movie. But he makes good movies so we'll see
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Re: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel speci
« Reply #116 on: February 26, 2007, 02:29:07 PM »
I wonder how well Avatar is going to do. Fox  budgeted it for over 200 million and Cameron ALWAYS goes over-budget. It will hilarious if Cameron's first post-Titanic movie loses money.

I'm kinda bummed about the prospect of watching another fully CGI movie in the spirt of that Final Fantasy shit movie. But he makes good movies so we'll see
It's not cgi, its live action but the aliens will be cgi. This is the one that stars  Sigourney Weaver. He was considering some other all-cgi  movie based on a anime or something but went with the "sci-fi epic" Avatar.

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Re: James Cameron Disproves Jesus' resurrection in a new Discovery Channel speci
« Reply #117 on: February 26, 2007, 02:35:00 PM »
I could have sworn I read that the movie would pioneer a new form of CGI where the real actors are replaced  by it, and you wouldn't know they're not real ::)

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