Author Topic: Did X3 ruin the flow of the Xmen trilogy? (Read 2183 times)

MrAngryFace · « **on:** February 27, 2007, 11:12:49 PM »

I watched X1 and X2 and they were tied together pretty well, but something about three feels bizzare almost.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:13:56 PM »

Probably because it sucks.

Bacon · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:14:35 PM »

If you're going to be with us then BE with us!

bagofeyes · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:14:46 PM »

Ruined the flow, the memory, the series

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:15:26 PM »

I liked when Halle Berry won that People's Choice Award last year and when she went on stage to accept it, she was begging people to write FOX asking them to make X-Men 4.

O HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:16:02 PM »

X2 is just impossible to live up to tho, that was such a sweet spot. Why didnt the director do the third one again?

Vizzys · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:16:20 PM »

poor cyclops

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:16:42 PM »

They're running out of pity awards to give her. I say give her the NBA MVP award, she'd be more deserving than Steve Nash.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:17:26 PM »

Is X3 the Batman Forever of the series, or the Batman and Robin of the series?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:19:00 PM »

Because the main executive at 20th Century Fox, Tim Rothman, never liked the X-Men and never thought the series would take off, so he kept cutting its budget. Even when X2 was big, Bryan Singer had to fight for money all the time and was constantly cutting scenes. He was sick and tired of cutting scenes out because Rothman didn't care about the X-Men series.

So Warner Bros. was like, "Dude, we'll give you a fat sack of cash and all the money you want if you direct Superman!" And he took the job for Superman Returns, as well as the writers of X2.

Then Rothman went ballistic and actually had Singer and his stuff physically removed from the studio lot. He rushed X3 into production with a script that wasn't even finished when it started shooting, just so he could get it out before Superman.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:20:34 PM »

Also, X3 went into production after Superman Returns did. Its original director jumped ship just a few weeks before principal began, and they plugged in Brett Ratner (who was dropped from Superman). The film was really, really rushed.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:22:28 PM »

X3 could have been great with Matthew Vaughn at the helm.

Vizzys · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:22:57 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on February 27, 2007, 11:17:26 PM

Is X3 the Batman Forever of the series, or the Batman and Robin of the series?

Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:24:25 PM »

I doubt it. It was a rushed production and there was nothing Vaughn could've done about it. Ratner was probably better equipped to handle a big budget studio film of this size given the time constraints.

It's crazy to think about how horrible that production was. The changed cinematographers (Vaughn's original guy stayed on for a week or two into Ratner's reign) mid-production.

What a nightmare.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:25:15 PM »

lol x3

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:26:02 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on February 27, 2007, 11:16:02 PM

X2 is just impossible to live up to tho, that was such a sweet spot. Why didnt the director do the third one again?

He couldn't find a way to make the X-Men even more boring with the third installment, so he had to turn to Superman.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:26:49 PM »

You probably would've liked Singer's version, MAF. He was planning pretty much to continue straight from the end of X2 with an altered adaptation of the comic book "Dark Phoenix Saga".

Cheebs · « **Reply #17 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:26:57 PM »

It's a very very poor film but going by how god-awful insane the production was it was lucky to turn out as "good" as it was.

I would LOVE to see a un-based documentary on how X3 was made from vaughn through ratner.

Bacon · « **Reply #18 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:28:07 PM »

Superman Returns was better.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #19 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:28:11 PM »

Why is it at the start of the final fight like 20% of the mutants with magneto happen to all have some super jumping power and are all gathered together?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #20 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:29:26 PM »

Yeah, it's amazing it's not a complete trainwreck given the production schedule and the shuffling of director and crew.

TVC15 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:29:30 PM »

Can someone explain this to me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_expensive_movies

How is X3 the most expensive movie ever made. It feels cheap. It has like, almost Xena-quality effects. How is it pricier than the also-not-special-looking Superman, the nice looking Kong, and the titanic Titanic?

Cheebs · « **Reply #22 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:31:20 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 27, 2007, 11:29:30 PM

Can someone explain this to me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_expensive_movies

How is X3 the most expensive movie ever made. It feels cheap. It has like, almost Xena-quality effects. How is it pricier than the also-not-special-looking Superman, the nice looking Kong, and the titanic Titanic?

Horribly rushed production = not much effort and money is thrown around to solve any issues.

As for Superman that includes all the failed attempts to get it off the ground. Just what is seen on screen cost around 150 mill' I believe.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #23 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:31:55 PM »

They had to pay people that didn't even work on the film, as everyone involved with Vaughan's pre-production got paid... yet a lot of his work was cut from Ratner's version. Ratner then brought on his own people, fired some of Vaughan's (or they quit) and here's the biggie - union costs.

The film was super, super rushed. That means a lot of people and I mean a LOT of people were working overtime, so they got paid according to union overtime rules, which are usually insanely expensive.

Cheebs · « **Reply #24 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:33:56 PM »

God damnit willco, stop making me wish for a un-biased x3 making of doc more.

I got X3 mainly for the ratner commentary hoping to hear some interesting stuff about how it was made since this film is one of the most fascinating to me in terms of production. All he did was talk about how great the movie is and how awesome everyone was. wtf.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #25 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:36:25 PM »

That's what everyone says about everyone. The only behind-the-scenes documentary that seemed unbiased in terms of its look into production, especially troubled ones, was the one on the Aliens SE. People hated Cameron and they gave a pretty objective look at his madness.

Cheebs · « **Reply #26 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:38:46 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 27, 2007, 11:36:25 PM

That's what everyone says about everyone. The only behind-the-scenes documentary that seemed unbiased in terms of its look into production, especially troubled ones, was the one Aliens. People hated Cameron and they gave a pretty objective look at his madness.

The star wars one was surprisingly un-biased for a lucas dvd. Harrison Ford venting rather angerly about Lucas being unable to work with the actors, the crew more or less abandoning Lucas and questioning his ability on ANH, and Lawrence Kasdan was rather negative about Lucas in their problems with the ROTJ script.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #27 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:45:36 PM »

It's sad to think that they actually made good Xmen films (a minor miracle) and then have one asshole studio exec ruin it all.

X2 wasn't a flawless movie, but the way he ended the movie was pitch perfect. I remember leaving the theatre BEGGING to see X3. <sigh>

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #28 on:** February 27, 2007, 11:45:39 PM »

Eh, the Star Wars documentary raises a few criticisms, but they are few. Ford's are said so light-heartedly that they don't carry any weight. It just really feels kind of like, "Haha, I can't believe we fought over this back in the day!"

Whereas there is some real venom on that Aliens documentary. Cameron really alienated most of the crew, and keep in mind he really wasn't that established back then. This is not James "King of the World" Titanic. He's pushing around foriegn crew members in another country, disrespecting their union rules and etiquette, and micro managing to an extreme degree. I think that gave me a new respect for Cameron, though. He is so knowledgable about almost every aspect of film that nobody could bullshit him, and a lot of crew members resented that.

In terms of the X3 production, I think at the end of the day, Brett Ratner and Tim Rothman are laughing all the way to the bank.

Singer's Superman Returns was a certifiable dud. It wasn't a disaster, commercially or critically, but was well under Warner Bros. real projections for what they thought was a franchise not in bad of shape as Batman.

So Rothman rushes an X-Men production to release before Singer's self masturbatory spandex drama, with the director who was fired from Superman (the very production Singer left X-Men to direct), and X-Men made more money at the box office.

Ratner had his name attached to a huge commercial success, Rothman gave Singer the raspberry and Singer has gotten nothing but a beatin' since Superman Returns was unleashed onto an unsuspecting populace.

Cheebs · « **Reply #29 on:** February 28, 2007, 12:10:35 AM »

It seems WB is inforcing a tighter budget and a mandate for much more action for part 2. The sequel could pull off a wrath of khan potentially. Plus Singer has been knocked off his pedestal, a more humble Singer with the tighter budget and mandate for action is encouraging.

I gave the first a 6.5/10, after re-watching it I am leaning towards 7/10 though.

bagofeyes · « **Reply #30 on:** February 28, 2007, 12:25:37 AM »

I loved the first x-men. It was a nice length too, about an hour and a half. I'm sick of all these 2 hour + movies these days.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #31 on:** February 28, 2007, 01:15:08 AM »

X1: 6.5/10
X2: 5/10
X3: 4/10

Bloodwake · « **Reply #32 on:** February 28, 2007, 01:26:22 AM »

X-Men.

This entire series SUCKED ALL ASS.

The third one was undoubtedly the worst, and I mean the worst. MAF hit it on the head. The flow of shit started with the first film was totally disrupted by an entirely different flow of shit.

Some of my least favorite parts are:

-Young Angel: I'm Sorry Dad. (cries)

(cue fast paced orchestrated action music and CG credits)

-how NIGHTCRAWLER IS TAKEN CARE OF OFF SCREEN IN A SHITTY VIDEO GAME

-how Cyclops is taken care of with little emotion

-how Professor X dies and then, after the credits are over, it shows he TRANSFERRED HIS INTELLIGENCE TO A BRAIN DEAD BODY, totally taking away all of the little emotion there was in his death. I emphasize little emotion, because there was hardly any.

-How Magneto moves the chesspiece barely and then one second (it must have been literally frames later) the same dramatic shit music kicks in and the end credits roll.

What a piece of putrid anal fecal matter, and a shitty way to end a fucking shit series. Flow? Totally fucked. Honestly, this is the only series I feel already needs a relaunch, because the X-Men comics deserve so much better.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #33 on:** February 28, 2007, 01:27:43 AM »

Quote from: Bloodwake on February 28, 2007, 01:26:22 AM

-How Magneto moves the chesspiece barely and then one second (it must have been literally frames later) the same dramatic shit music kicks in and the end credits roll.

Actually that was the most awesome part of the entire movie

Bloodwake · « **Reply #34 on:** February 28, 2007, 01:31:12 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2007, 01:27:43 AM

Quote from: Bloodwake on February 28, 2007, 01:26:22 AM

-How Magneto moves the chesspiece barely and then one second (it must have been literally frames later) the same dramatic shit music kicks in and the end credits roll.

Actually that was the most awesome part of the entire movie

Actually, you are right.

IT STILL SUCKED.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #35 on:** February 28, 2007, 01:32:34 AM »

I spent $7.50 to see it

BobbyRobby · « **Reply #36 on:** February 28, 2007, 02:03:01 AM »

X1 and X3 sucked. X2 was amazing.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #37 on:** February 28, 2007, 02:30:10 AM »

Yeah the whole Angel 'story' was hilarious. wtf.

I never really bought into the whole wolvie jean thing in the third movie either. I mean in the first two movies the relationship took a natural course, but the third movie it was suddenly the focal point of FUCK EVERYTHING.

I DIE FOR YOU. omg wolvie stfu.

Everything just felt forced, jammed together, and ultimately manufactured. However, that being said I would still watch any of the three x-men movies over again, but I cant bring myself to watch the plodding spiderman movies ever again.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #38 on:** February 28, 2007, 03:02:27 AM »

Remember when it was first revealed that Angel would be in the movie? People were excited. Little did they know he'd ruin the entire movie $:-\$

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #39 on:** February 28, 2007, 03:42:04 AM »

yeah my vision of what should have been and what i saw watching x3 i wasnt happy. if anything i am happy cause the money it brought in fox is gonna make a cable movie.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #40 on:** February 28, 2007, 03:47:35 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2007, 03:02:27 AM

Remember when it was first revealed that Angel would be in the movie? People were excited. Little did they know he'd ruin the entire movie $:-\$

Fuck Angel. I was always a Nightcrawler fan... which doomed X3 from the beginning. Lack of Nightcrawler can not be excused.

bagofeyes · « **Reply #41 on:** February 28, 2007, 04:26:03 AM »

Quote from: Bloodwake on February 28, 2007, 03:47:35 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2007, 03:02:27 AM
Remember when it was first revealed that Angel would be in the movie? People were excited. Little did they know he'd ruin the entire movie $:-\$

Fuck Angel. I was always a Nightcrawler fan... which doomed X3 from the beginning. Lack of Nightcrawler can not be excused.

Agreed! What the fuck were they thinking?

Cheebs · « **Reply #42 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:11:52 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2007, 01:15:08 AM

X1: 6.5/10
X2: 5/10
X3: 4/10

NO.

X1: 7/10
X2: 9/10
X3: 5/10

For the hell of it:
Spider-Man: 7.5/10
Spider-Man 2: 9/10

Batman: 9.5/10
Batman Returns: 8.5/10
Batman Forever: 6.5/10
Batman & Robin: 2/10
Batman Begins: 10/10

Superman: 9/10
Superman II(Theatrical Cut): 7/10
Superman II(Donner Cut): 8.5/10
Superman Returns: 7/10

TMNT: 9/10
TMNT II: 7/10
TMNT III: 5.5/10

Hulk: 6/10
Fantastic Four: 4/10
Daredevil: 5/10
Daredevil (Director's Cut): 6.5/10

bagofeyes · « **Reply #43 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:14:32 AM »

X1: 8/10
X2: 9/10
X3: 1/10

Solo · « **Reply #44 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:25:52 AM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 27, 2007, 11:22:28 PM

X3 could have been great with Matthew Vaughn at the helm.

Who's to say that? I love Layer Cake, its a great film. But its just one movie. Its not like Vaughn has a large pedigree of films directed under his belt. If you ask me, with that script, it didnt matter who was directing, it was going to suck. Kudos to Vaughn for escaping that trainwreck.

Cheebs · « **Reply #45 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:30:26 AM »

Quote from: Solo on February 28, 2007, 09:25:52 AM

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 27, 2007, 11:22:28 PM
X3 could have been great with Matthew Vaughn at the helm.

Who's to say that? I love Layer Cake, its a great film. But its just one movie. Its not like Vaughn has a large pedigree of films directed under his belt. If you ask me, with that script, it didnt matter who was directing, it was going to suck. Kudos to Vaughn for escaping that trainwreck.

Plus the rather bad script that was used for the Ratner film was already written and would have also been used by Vaughn.

I am MUCH happier Vaughn did Stardust.

Solo · « **Reply #46 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:31:46 AM »

Indeed. Its definately in my top 5 or so most anticipated this year. Although, 2 months in, this is looking like a stinker of a year.

Cheebs · « **Reply #47 on:** February 28, 2007, 09:45:48 AM »

Quote from: Solo on February 28, 2007, 09:31:46 AM

Indeed. Its definately in my top 5 or so most anticipated this year. Although, 2 months in, this is looking like a stinker of a year.

Plus it has Robert DeNiro in a real role, not some parody of himself. That alone is worth it.

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #48 on:** February 28, 2007, 11:50:19 AM »

Quote from: Solo on February 28, 2007, 09:25:52 AM

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 27, 2007, 11:22:28 PM
X3 could have been great with Matthew Vaughn at the helm.

Who's to say that? I love Layer Cake, its a great film. But its just one movie. Its not like Vaughn has a large pedigree of films directed under his belt. If you ask me, with that script, it didnt matter who was directing, it was going to suck. Kudos to Vaughn for escaping that trainwreck.

Of the hopefulls, he was the best choice. I'd rather watch anyone else handle the material than Ratner.

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Author Topic: Did X3 ruin the flow of the Xmen trilogy? (Read 2183 times)