Heh, even the CASINO ROYALE DVD sounds "meh"...

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=26835

Jesus, the extras sound about as half-assed as they come. I was planning on picking this up, but now I'm gonna wait and see how the "commonfolk" rate the discs.

Oh, and apparently I'm not the only one who thinks Casino Royale is "deeply flawed".

[Madrun Badrun]

6/10.  good to see bond move in a new direction, but not so great. 

[bagofeyes]

Still haven't seen it. Was waiting for the hype to die to get some real impressions.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Still haven't seen it. Was waiting for the hype to die to get some real impressions.

Its a better than average action film, but way, waaaaaay too overhyped round these parts.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Word is Target is gonna be selling this in a Departed-esque slipcover/shooting script edition.

I'm so conflicted.

[Phoenix Dark]

I might get it, dunno. I liked it in the theater, but I absolutely hated the buildup to the climax. I need to search for my old review - I'm pretty sure I gave it a 9.

I'll probably just buy a mouse instead lol

[MrAngryFace]

lol bond fans, prepare to double dip

[Solo]

Three things:

1) its funny that Shake, whose Departed extras were stinkalicious (aside from the Scorsese doc, which isnt an original doc for the DVD), is bitching about half-asssed extras.
2) as I said with the Departed debacle, who gives a shit? I dont know about you, but Im buying the DVD for the movie.

and most importantly

3) I read this "review" yesterday when it was posted, and this guy has the worst stance/opinions on Bond I think Ive ever seen. Hes pretty much got everything backwards, and has no clue what hes talking about. I have no problem with people hating Bond, but his views of what the franchise is known for and what it should be are absolutely terrible. This guy probably likes DAD.

[beelzebozo]

better restart for a franchise character than batman begins.

[Solo]

Agreed 100%. I like the cut of your jib. The tomatometer agrees with us too. BB's 84% kneels to CR's 94%.

[bagofeyes]

You fanboys. Batman would definately beat James Bond in a fight.

[Solo]

  Well played

[Cheebs]

Shake you have no right to ever call a film over-hyped at Evilbore after The Departed. 

I really don't care about the lack of good extras. If Sony releases a double-dip in time for the next one in 2008, oh well I might buy it again but I want to own this film.

The Prestige had almost no extras but I bought that last week and Borat has almost no extras and I am buying that too!


Trying to convince Solo and I that a Bond film isn't worth owning is silly. WE BOTH OWN MOONRAKER

[beelzebozo]

movie with parkour and eva green > movie without parkour and eva green

[Cheebs]

One flaw of Royale is Eva Green wears way to much fucking makeup. It is also a problem of hers in real life.

[beelzebozo]

she's still totally smokin' and radiates class.
i think i fell in love with her no less than three times during the course of this movie

[Cheebs]

Agreed, one of the best looking Bond girls ever. BUT LAY OFF THE MAKEUP!

[Solo]

Extras are overrated anyways. More often then not, I wont even bother with them. No time, and depending on the movie, no interest. All I really like to have are commentaries by great filmmakers. Those I WILL listen to.

I too bought The Prestige, and its been worth every penny, even though it only has one little 20 minute extra. Ive already watched it 2-3 times and gotten my value from it.

[Cheebs]

Extras tend to be best if the film is older. New releases with extras tends to be fluff stuff about how great everyone was.

[bagofeyes]

I never bother with extras. But then again I usually only rent movies unless I really really love them (release that blade runner dvd you fucks!)

[Solo]

Extras tend to be best if the film is older. New releases with extras tends to be fluff stuff about how great everyone was.

This is true. I have been turned off by many extras because of the circle jerk nature of them. An hour long wankfest? No thanks. That said, I will listen to anything certain people have to say, like Scorsese or Mann or Spielberg.

[TakingBackSunday]

I don't know, if the extras are all reallly good, then I'd want that continued for the future.  The Lord of the Rings extras were fuck awesome.  So, it depends.

[Cheebs]

I don't know, if the extras are all reallly good, then I'd want that continued for the future.  The Lord of the Rings extras were fuck awesome.  So, it depends.

Well the EE extras didnt come untill 2 years after the first film was filmed(1999-2000 filming 2002 dvd release). Most new releases have the extras done when the film is still in theaters.

I mean on the ROTS commentary George Lucas and the other people there with him were chatting about how the film JUST opened like a week befoe they did the commentary. Same with Clerks II's commentary. Where is the perspective?

[Mr. Gundam]

I'm definitely getting this on Bluray... my copy of The Departed needs a high def buddy.

I cannot wait for Volver on Bluray, that's going to be hot hot hot!

[Cheebs]

  I thought everyone on evilbore was anti-blu-ray/HD-DVD.

There is always one!

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Three things:

1) its funny that Shake, whose Departed extras were stinkalicious (aside from the Scorsese doc, which isnt an original doc for the DVD), is bitching about half-asssed extras.

A retrospective filmmaker documentary > "bond girls" shite.

Solo's just catching feelings because I insulted his little boytoy Bond. :'( :'( :'(

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Wal-Mart Exclusive:



Pretty classy. I need to see the Target/possible Best Buy exclusives before I decide to bite.

[Mr. Gundam]

I thought everyone on evilbore was anti-blu-ray/HD-DVD.

There is always one!

The majority of my purchases are still on DVD, but since I've got a PS3 and an HDTV, I don't see anything wrong getting something I want on BR if it's available. I also refuse to double dip on items I already have on DVD, although that may change once/if Wong Kar Wai and Almodovar's films get released....

Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex -- Solid State Society is going to be sooo sweet on BR.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Target will have an exclusive 3-disc set including a "making of" DVD with about and hour or so of extra materials.

For those keeping score at home:

Best Buy -- miniature Aston Martin hot-wheel (bleh)

Circuit City -- unknown

Wal-Mart -- poker set

Target -- deluxe edition w/ "making of" DVD

[Phoenix Dark]

Meh, I'll pass most likely.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Meh, I'll pass most likely.

Me too. If Target had actually had the script I may have bitten, but...

[TVC15]

What happened?  Going by the people that had seen this, upon its release it was a great, fun movie.  What's with the turnaround?

[Phoenix Dark]

It's not a turnaround for me. Basically I already have a lot of stuff to watch; I'll buy it eventually though.

What I do need to do is return my Indiana Jones boxset. I was watching Last Crusade today and towards the end the DVD kept messing up. No scratches on the disk either - I just fucking watched this one for the first time today. I'll take it back and try to get a new one

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

What happened?  Going by the people that had seen this, upon its release it was a great, fun movie.  What's with the turnaround?

There's no turnaround for me, nor many other filmgoers. The general consensus is that most Bond fans heralded it like the second coming, while non-Bond fans either thought it was a better than average or fairly mediocre film. I'm in the "better than average, but not fantastic" camp.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

It's not a turnaround for me. Basically I already have a lot of stuff to watch; I'll buy it eventually though.

What I do need to do is return my Indiana Jones boxset. I was watching Last Crusade today and towards the end the DVD kept messing up. No scratches on the disk either - I just fucking watched this one for the first time today. I'll take it back and try to get a new one

Sounds like your DVD player is busted. Didn't your "Brazil" disc fuck up too?

[Phoenix Dark]

I thought it was good, not great. I need to see it again though, but I rememeber really liking much of it in the theater. Except for the buildup to the "twist"/climax, which I thought was very poor

[TVC15]

Well, it has a better RT score than The Departed, so I'm sure it is an awesome movie.

[Phoenix Dark]

Well, it has a better RT score than The Departed, so I'm sure it is an awesome movie.

Did you see The Departed yet? It's much better than Casiono Royale on every level, but the comparison isn't fair because Casino Royale is more of a big action movie

[TVC15]

Well, it has a better RT score than The Departed, so I'm sure it is an awesome movie.

Did you see The Departed yet? It's much better than Casiono Royale on every level, but the comparison isn't fair because Casino Royale is more of a big action movie

Nope.  I did pirate the Departed, but it's long.  Casino Royale may be longer, but Scorsese movies always feel long.  Plus I heard the premise of The Departed/Infernal Affairs and it sounds totally contrived.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Well, it has a better RT score than The Departed, so I'm sure it is an awesome movie.

Did you see The Departed yet? It's much better than Casiono Royale on every level, but the comparison isn't fair because Casino Royale is more of a big action movie

QFT

lolz, White Man trying to get in on the "troll Departed" bandwagon. Guess what: I don't care. Scorsese won his oscar, the film won Best Picture, and other overhyped films last year got squat.

[TVC15]

Well, it has a better RT score than The Departed, so I'm sure it is an awesome movie.

Did you see The Departed yet? It's much better than Casiono Royale on every level, but the comparison isn't fair because Casino Royale is more of a big action movie

QFT

lolz, White Man trying to get in on the "troll Departed" bandwagon. Guess what: I don't care. Scorsese won his oscar, the film won Best Picture, and other overhyped films last year got squat.

Trying to get on?  I've been on it.  Don't you recall me saying that your jackassery kind of made me not so interested in seeing it?  I don't really give a crap about Oscars.  Movies that deserve to win almost never do.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Yeah, like Casino Royale deserved to win an oscar over The Departed or Children on Men.

You guys should have been trolling the film during my pre-oscar hype run; now that its generally perceived as a great film, there is no work left to do. Your trolls are having no effect. The joke is on you.

[Phoenix Dark]

Well, it has a better RT score than The Departed, so I'm sure it is an awesome movie.

Did you see The Departed yet? It's much better than Casiono Royale on every level, but the comparison isn't fair because Casino Royale is more of a big action movie

Nope.  I did pirate the Departed, but it's long.  Casino Royale may be longer, but Scorsese movies always feel long.  Plus I heard the premise of The Departed/Infernal Affairs and it sounds totally contrived.

In no way am I an expert on this, but from what I've seen Scorsese's movie just seem to flow so well that they don't feel long at all. With The Departed, once each character is fully developed and the cat/mouse game begins, the movie just takes off. It's like a switch turns on or something. It starts off with a great intro and rapidly builds up. With Goodfellas, the opening scene just grabs you in, and the narration keeps your attention early on. Once again it feels like everything is set up quickly but efficiently, and then the pieces start falling into play. And with Taxi Driver I also felt the narration pulls you in; I remember watching it and just wanting to see what happens next because of the compelling nature of Travis.

With respect to it being contrived, I don't see it that way. It makes a lot of sense really, and even more once you watch some of the documentaries on the second disk that talk about the real life roots of the movie.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Scorsese's movie just seem to flow so well that they don't feel long at all

This is true, even with Casino. At three plus hours, it only felt like a two, maybe two and a half hour film.

Oh, and apparently I'm not the only one on evilbore who liked TD, it WAS voted best film of '06 in our official thread.

[TVC15]

Well, like 50 million germans though fascism was cool.  That's more people than have seen The Departed.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Well, like 50 million germans though fascism was cool.  That's more people than have seen The Departed.

lolz, you lame trolls always say the darnest things.

[Phoenix Dark]

Scorsese's movie just seem to flow so well that they don't feel long at all

This is true, even with Casino. At three plus hours, it only felt like a two, maybe two and a half hour film.

Oh, and apparently I'm not the only one on evilbore who liked TD, it WAS voted best film of '06 in our official thread.

I can watch many long ass movies and not realize how long they are. But with me, when a movie contains many scenes that seem to "drag" or feel like filler connecting the more exciting scenes, then the movie becomes long. The Departed doesn't really have any scenes that I feel like getting up during to get a Coke or something. This is a credit to the great acting and amazing writing imo. Basically it's great part after great part. First you have Jack completely owning the screen, then you get to the police training, then Billy is in jail as the film's name finally appears, after which BAM: it's off and running like a bat out of hell.

[TVC15]

Even Scorsese's best movies feel long.  Feeling lengthy isn't inherently a bad quality (see:  Kurosawa), but it means I'm less likely to watch a lengthy movie than a 90 minuter. 

For practical purposes, I have roughly 6 hours after work in which to do shit before I go to bed.  I'm never particularly eager to spend nearly half that time on a single movie.  I know Bond movies are also generally length (one reason I don't watch them unless I get into a Bond kick), but they generally have variety, brisk pacing, and a somewhat light feeling to them.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Exactly. That was one of the problems I had with Zodiac -- even though it was interesting and very well shot, alot of scenes in the first two hours or so felt unnecessary and repetitive.

TVC: Uh, many of Scorsese's best films feel briskly paced, so I don't see why you let off Bond flicks for that but fault Scorsese flicks at the same time. Oh, that's right -- you're a hypocritical troll. How could I forget.

[TVC15]

Exactly. That was one of the problems I had with Zodiac -- even though it was interesting and very well shot, alot of scenes in the first two hours or so felt unnecessary and repetitive.

TVC: Uh, many of Scorsese's best films feel briskly paced, so I don't see why you let off Bond flicks for that but fault Scorsese flicks at the same time. Oh, that's right -- you're a hypocritical troll. How could I forget.

I see you have gone to the Willco School of Trolling:  When you don't want to talk, just accuse the other party of trolling.

Did you read where I said I can only watch Bond movies once I'm in a kick?  Also, Bond movies tend to have a lot of variety.  As PD said, they are action movies, so they tend to be flashy. 

Also, i watched Taxi Driver nearly daily for over 3 years.  But nevermind, I am a "hypocritical troll."

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Bond films have variety? I haven't seen as many Bond films as the hardcore lot, but most of the time they always follow the same rigid formula: flashy opening, Bond gets mission, Bond gets gadgets, Bond goes on mission, Bond falls for girl, girl ends up being an enemy (not always), Bond uses gadgets and "skill" to take down enemies, rinse and repeat. Films like Goodfellas, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, and The Departed are varied to the extreme, despite reclycling a few themes.

[Phoenix Dark]

Bond starts off with a rather big bang, after which the story is revealed. Typical Bond, but it's done very well; as I've said before, I've never been a Bond fan but this one was good. But imo it seemed 20min too long , mainly because of the repetitive lubby dubby scenes that procede the twist/climax.

[TVC15]

Bond films typically have a number of settings to each movie, and as is typical with action movies and thrillers, less time is spent developing themes and more time is dedicated to action sequences and direct tension-building.  Yes, there's a formula, but there's a formula to action movies in general.

Bond movies typically run a bit over the 2 hour mark, which is a problem with the series, and probably directly the reason for the bad flicks sticking out as much as they do.

Scorsese movies, and dramas in general, generally stick to a set few themes (per picture) and run with them.  Since realism is a priority, there's usually not much variety between settings.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Bond starts off with a rather big bang, after which the story is revealed. Typical Bond, but it's done very well; as I've said before, I've never been a Bond fan but this one was good. But imo it seemed 20min too long , mainly because of the repetitive lubby dubby scenes that procede the twist/climax.

Yeah. In fact, I was never really engrossed in the picture after the opening -- though the final scene was pretty damn awesome. I dunno, I guess I'm just tired of the formula...

It's funny people brought up how this was good in that it didn't do a Batman Begins "re-inventing" of the series. IMO, Batman Begins was a pitch-perfect way to restart that series, in that it was noticably different from the other films. Other than being slightly darker and a bit less "show-offy", I felt CR really didn't re-invent the wheel.

Scorsese movies, and dramas in general, generally stick to a set few themes (per picture) and run with them.  Since realism is a priority, there's usually not much variety between settings.

So there's no difference in settings between, say, Taxi Driver and The Departed? I disagree, sir. In fact, I'd pretty much say you're full of shit, and just trying to find non existant faults within Scorsese's filmography.

[TVC15]

Bond starts off with a rather big bang, after which the story is revealed. Typical Bond, but it's done very well; as I've said before, I've never been a Bond fan but this one was good. But imo it seemed 20min too long , mainly because of the repetitive lubby dubby scenes that procede the twist/climax.

Yeah. In fact, I was never really engrossed in the picture after the opening -- though the final scene was pretty damn awesome. I dunno, I guess I'm just tired of the formula...

It's funny people brought up how this was good in that it didn't do a Batman Begins "re-inventing" of the series. IMO, Batman Begins was a pitch-perfect way to restart that series, in that it was noticably different from the other films. Other than being slightly darker and a bit less "show-offy", I felt CR really didn't re-invent the wheel.

Scorsese movies, and dramas in general, generally stick to a set few themes (per picture) and run with them.  Since realism is a priority, there's usually not much variety between settings.

So there's no difference in settings between, say, Taxi Driver and The Departed? I disagree, sir. In fact, I'd pretty much say you're full of shit, and just trying to find non existant faults within Scorsese's filmography.

How about not being hostile?  I was talking about themes in an individual picture.  See the parenthesis with "per picture" in them?  That means I wasn't comparing Taxi Driver to the Departed, nor any other movie.  How about you learn to have a discussion?

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

So you want Travis Bickle to take a trip to the Bahamas in the middle of Taxi Driver? What the fuck are you even talking about; you fault Scorsese's films for not being "varied" enough (different settings = varied?) when they are trying to tell actual stories, whereas films like, say, the Bond series are merely trying to entertain an audience with eye candy and flashy action sequences. If you go for that sort of thing over well creafted, enthralling stories that's fine by me, but don't try to fault other films for actually having a purpose as opposed to keeping your (limited? probably) attention.

[TVC15]

Never mind.  I regret taking you off ignore.  Maybe you'll be worth talking to once the teenagerness withers away.  We all knew everything once, TDS.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Never mind.  I regret taking you off ignore.

I regret wasting time reading your shitty opinions on films.

I hear Ghost Rider is still playing, that seems right up your alley. Go check it out for good, fast-paced, "varied" fun!

[beelzebozo]

i really don't understand all the love for the departed around here.  if scorcese was going to win an oscar for a movie he's made in the past ten years, it should have been for the aviator, a much more interesting and well-made movie.  the departed seems (to me, at least) to have won best picture based on the fact that it was the least ugly of a row of lame ducks.

it's not hard to imagine how someone might enjoy casino royale more; expectations for departed were ludicrously high, and--as tvc mentioned, and as i mentioned in another thread concerning the flick--the plot of TD is a little too clever and cutesy for its own good.  the concept "cop in with the criminals, criminal in with the cops" just feels like it was spawned in some college kid's creative writing composition notebook.  granted, a lot of the dialogue was incredible, and damon/dicaprio do great jobs.  but they can't save a fundamentally flawed story. 

casino royale had only a few expectations on it, mostly just "be a step in the right direction and be entertaining."  daniel craig alone ensured that both those criteria were met, and were someone to want to discuss the best performances of 2006, i could discuss craig's performance at greater length and with a lot more enthusiasm than i could nicholson, dicaprio, or damon (all of whom i love).

i'm not sure why you're crusading against this movie, shake, but it's a little misguided.

[Solo]

Three things:

1) its funny that Shake, whose Departed extras were stinkalicious (aside from the Scorsese doc, which isnt an original doc for the DVD), is bitching about half-asssed extras.

A retrospective filmmaker documentary > "bond girls" shite.

Solo's just catching feelings because I insulted his little boytoy Bond. :'( :'( :'(

Your reading comprehension < good.

There's no turnaround for me, nor many other filmgoers. The general consensus is that most Bond fans heralded it like the second coming, while non-Bond fans either thought it was a better than average or fairly mediocre film. I'm in the "better than average, but not fantastic" camp.

I'll kindly refer you to RT, where CR was the highest rated mainstream flick of 2006, and ask you to remove your head from your ass, and stop speaking for the "general consensus", which you obviously don't represent.

Whitey: dont listen to this filth, CR is the best Bond movie in decades, and is a more entertaining flick than TD. Listen to beezlebozo, hes pretty much spot on.