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GameDaily: Top 5 Most Overrated Industry People
« on: March 23, 2007, 01:01:14 PM »
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By CHRIS BUFFA

Peruse any video game forum and you'll stumble across plenty of crazed fans, bizarre and at times scary people that put their idols (in this case, game developers and corporate figureheads) on golden pedestals. While there's nothing wrong with that per se, we wanted to see if these industry folk live up to the hype. Behold, the top five most overrated industry people. Try not to pop a blood vessel.

#5 - Koji Igarashi

We love Iga's Castlevania games, but he needs to take the franchise to the next level. Despite minor additions, such as the blending of 2-D and 3-D, all of these games, from NES (1986) to DS (2006) play almost exactly the same. He deserves kudos because fans eat them up, but we want a game that doesn't involve wading through yet another castle so we can battle Dracula for the billionth time. Stop repackaging the same old video game. Symphony of the Night is so 1997. Hell, the original is so 1986.

#4 - David Jaffe

Sony Computer Entertainment's outspoken game designer rocketed to "stardom" with God of War. With that being said, fans and/or journalists treat him as the God of War figurehead, which somewhat undermines God of War II Game Director Cory Barlog's
importance. This is no insult to Jaffe. We enjoy his off the cuff remarks as well as the games he's worked on, but his latest offering, the not yet released Calling All Cars leaves us unimpressed. Perhaps we're incapable of realizing how difficult it is to follow up God of War.

#3 - Hideo Kojima

Konami's famous visionary revolutionized the action genre with his Metal Gear franchise, but we have more respect for his directing abilities. He continues to thrill people with his over the top cut scenes, but we still don't know what's going on in his games. Characters ramble on for more than five minutes at a time, and some of them look and sound ridiculous. ("Laugh and grow fat", anyone?) Furthermore, most of the MGS games play the same (Acid and Acid 2 excluded). MGS3's camouflage was fun to mess with, but we need more than fancy outfits. MGS4 looks incredible, but some of us have no interest in watching polygons jibber jabber. Kojima needs to prove that he's more than flashy visuals.

#2 - Shigeru Miyamoto

Nintendo fan boys (and girls) go gaga over everything "Shiggy" says, but come on. He doesn't create games by himself. Sometimes, he joins teams and, whether he intends to or not, receives all of the credit. He earned his place among the industry elite, thanks to his early contributions, but please add new (and memorable) characters to the Mario universe. Even better, come up with new IPs. Introduce us to new worlds and faces instead of falling back on the same overused franchises. In addition, cut back on the forced appearances. We feel uncomfortable watching you conducting imaginary orchestras and swinging the Master Sword to make gamers cry with joy.

Don't get us wrong. We love Miyamoto, and we'll bludgeon anyone that bashes Wind Waker, but we'd rather see him as an influential, cultural icon instead of Nintendo's PR puppet

#1 - Reggie Fils-Aime

Last we checked, Reggie hasn't kicked anyone's ass, nor has he taken their names (what does that mean, anyway?) We're confidant that Nintendo of America's President and Chief Operating Officer makes significant contributions on a weekly basis, but to read message boards (we do, unfortunately), he's become this mythic figure that rescued the company from itself, introducing millions of consumers to a more hardcore Nintendo. While that may be true, we still cannot find Wiis and friend codes suck.

I agree with this article somewhat. However, the Kojima choice is really bad. MGS games have amazing gameplay and all but created the stealh genre by themselves. Yes, their stories are ridiculous, but they're SUPPOSED to be ridiculous as they're throw backs 1980's B movies. Also, Kojima has done more than MGS games, so their reason for adding him to the list is a bit silly. I will be first to admit that I too find Kojima overrated to some degree, but placing him on a top 5 list is stretching.

Reggie isn't a designer, so I don't see why he should be on the list.

Anyways, here's my own top 5 overrated industry people list:

5. Shigeru Miyamoto - Yep, I'd definitely put him on this list. While not at the top, I do feel he's overrated. The man did some stand out hits in Nintendo's early days, and literally saved the gaming industry with Super Mario Bros., but the man has been rehashing his series like none other, over the past 2 decades. Almost none of his series initial concepts or gameplay have changed at all, and they feel a bit rehashed. In recent years, he has been nothing more than a Nintendo PR puppet and the fanboys still treat him like a God. I would like some new IP's. I would like something new from Miyamoto rather than something I've played time and time again. I think Gunpei Yokoi was the better designer, shame he's dead.

4. Hironobu Sakaguchi - He was the creator of Final Fantasy but that's about it. There are few games that he has directed that are actually great in my eyes. Out of the 5 Final Fantasy's he headed, IV is the stand out. I feel that Kitase (FFVI-VIII, X) is the better Final Fantasy director. Despite this, people act like Sakaguchi is one of the best designers in the industry, but he hasn't fully directed a game since Final Fantasy V. Sakaguchi's power and influence seemed to at least have some clout, because Square went to shit right around his departure from the company, sometime after anyways. Also, the games he produced (Chrono Trigger, FFVI-X) were often nothing short of amazing. That still does not redeem Sakaguchi because it was his idea to create, write, and direct the travesty that is Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. Despite all of this, I'm highly anticipating his Mistwalker games and hope they snag the Chrono IP so Square Enix doesn't have the chance to fuck it up even more.

3. Shinji Mikami - I've never understood the praise that this guy gets. Resident Evil series, in particular, has never appealed to me. He's considered the crown jewel of Capcom and yet, the majority of his game's are utterly forgettable. Resident Evil is average and has shit controls, story, and gameplay (RE4 aside). PN03 is terrible. Dino Crisis is above average, definitely better than RE, and slightly better tank controls. I haven't played God Hand yet, but it looks like my thing. All the other games Mikami has worked on (producer or otherwise) were directed and designed far better than anything he directed himself. The list goes on: Devil May Cry, Killer 7, Phoenix Wright (Gyakuten Saiban). A talented designer, surely, but like Igarashi, he is a total one hit wonder.

2. Molyneux - Almost all of his games receive exceptional hype, almost solely created by himself, and yet they, just as much, fall flat when they're released. Molyneux is a hit or miss designer. His concepts are nice, but he misses as much as he throws hype towards his games. I haven't played The Movies yet, but Fable and Black and White in particular kinda make me wonder why he's so praised. Fable, in general, is a disappointment considering how much the guy coated it with hyperbolic embrace prior to it's release. Molyneaux probably makes himself overrated due to all of praise and hype he does for his games. He doesn't even need the fanboys to do it for him. Lay off, chief.

1. Tetsuya Nomura - I like Tetsuya. I really do. His monster designs and animations in the 2d Final Fantasy's he worked on are cool. His early character designs for games like Final Fantasy VII, VIII, X, and Parasite Eve scream amazing in my eyes. But beyond that, there's not much left to praise. Upon the release of The Bouncer, Nomura's character designs have made a turn for the worse: overly stylish and super model characters with extraneous amount of zippers and pockets. The guy represents the modern stagnation of Square as a whole. The guy heads two Kingdom Hearts', an average overly stylish Final Fantasy VII sequel that lends most of it's emotion to ridiculous action sequences, and now he's directing an actual Final Fantasy game (FFvsXIII). Great. Now more 13 year fangirls can cream themselves over his delicious characters and fruity stories. The total opposite of Kazuma Keneko, one of the heads of Shin Megami Tensei, who started out as an amazing game designer and transformed into an amazing game artist. Tetsuya Nomura represents all that is terrible about current Square Enix.
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 02:06:09 PM »
Everything J Allard touches is shit. Although, I guess he's technically not in the industry anymore.


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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 02:38:22 PM »
Itoi>Kojima
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 02:42:40 PM »
Suda 51 > Kojima
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2007, 02:44:18 PM »

Reggie isn't a designer, so I don't see why he should be on the list.

Anyways, here's my own top 5 overrated industry people list:

You stupid shit
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2007, 02:45:01 PM »
So? Who gives a shit about Reggie?
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2007, 02:46:35 PM »
So? Who gives a shit about Reggie?

THAT IS THE POINT
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 02:48:00 PM »
I'd rather concentrate on actual developers than pr sheep
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2007, 02:48:41 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2007, 02:49:47 PM »
Sakaguchi's power and influence seemed to at least have some clout, because Square went to shit right around his departure from the company, sometime after anyways.

You are conflating cause and effect.
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2007, 02:51:10 PM »
I love his mustache


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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2007, 02:51:12 PM »
Well, I think Sakaguchi had some influence over there. They didn't really seem to go overboard with the FF milkage until he left.
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2007, 02:52:19 PM »
Well, I think Sakaguchi had some influence over there. They didn't really seem to go overboard with the FF milkage until he left.
The milking of the FF franchise what finally led to me being totally un-interested in the franchise. Whoever decided to do that deserves death.

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2007, 02:59:04 PM »
They probably wouldn't have the need to do it if Sakaguchi didn't do FF: TSW
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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2007, 03:03:23 PM »
TSW was years ago, yet they still do the whoring.

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2007, 03:12:46 PM »
I think you misunderstood me. TSW made them lose tons of money, and basically told Square that it's not worth experimenting with things, and that they should keep it safe. After the bomb that was TSW they basically stopped experimenting with the rpg genre, and have milked franchises dry for big bucks.

Compared to the PSX days, when almost all of their titles were different from the next, you can see a dramatic difference in their change of attitude.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2007, 03:29:16 PM »
So basicly they took the 5 most known people in the industry.  ok. 

whats TWS?


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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2007, 03:37:52 PM »
The Spirits Within
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2007, 03:40:55 PM »
The Spirits Within

You know I knew your talking about spirits within but I couldn't think of the name, and it wasn't connecting with the acrynem  :lol

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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2007, 04:35:02 PM »
I'd like to add Luke Smith to this list because he's the most anoying fucking journalist in gaming journalism (lol).
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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2007, 04:58:37 PM »
<GameDaily EIC> We need some real content, guys!
<Chris Buffa> I know, let's name some overrated videogame industry people! Lolz!
<GameDaily EIC> Yeah, that'll get those mouse clickers working - people will be outraged!
<Chis Buffa> All we need is like, five videogame industry people.
<GameDaily EIC> Hrmh.
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2007, 07:58:47 PM »
Buffa is a pretty sweet surname
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2007, 08:44:01 PM »
I would have put Kazunori Yamauchi at #1. Gran Turismo is highly overrated, and yet, he gets named to Motor Trend's most influential car people list, while Dan Greenwalt gets ignored. All of the motoring mags do features on GT like it's going out of style, yet Forza gets ignored, aside from one article in Road & Track. All this for a series that's nothing more than bumper cars with five opponents with brain-dead AI, and very little in the way of innovation aside from "Hey! Let's put in another dozen Skyline GT-R's instead of getting that Porsche license!" Turn10, Codemasters and SimBin, hell, even the late Papyrus Racing Games, make racing sims that shit all over the (un)Real "Driving" Simulator. Yamauchi-bozo shouldn't be getting all this good press, and he should be thankful that so many rice boy wankers keep buying GT in droves while ignoring the REAL racing sims.

Okay, rant over.  :-*
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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2007, 09:05:27 PM »
<GameDaily EIC> We need some real content, guys!
<Chris Buffa> I know, let's name some overrated videogame industry people! Lolz!
<GameDaily EIC> Yeah, that'll get those mouse clickers working - people will be outraged!
<Chis Buffa> All we need is like, five videogame industry people.
<GameDaily EIC> Hrmh.

Yeah, spot on. It's a shitty idea for an article, and I would personally be embarrassed to have had anything to do with it if I worked for that site.
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2007, 12:24:47 PM »
Most of the games he "does" he only produced, and everyone gives him the credit for coming up with the idea.
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2007, 01:12:19 PM »
maybe that's why the first half of Twilight Princess plays like tedious crap, then
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2007, 01:15:48 PM »

Maybe you need to read the interviews where everyone said Miyamoto was constantly telling them how to do things right when Twilight Princess was in development.

Yeah, because Zelda TP = all of the games he's produced.
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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2007, 01:21:36 PM »
Miyamoto is the producer for maybe 15 games but only actually does anything with 3-5.  His main job is to get people to buy games that never bought them before and to hype up fanboys but maybe he actually does something with games.

I mean there's no Ken Kutaragi or some ass who goes on newsweek and says saddam stole some of our consoles and used them to control nukes so obviously this list is aimed at the hardcore who get pissed off more easily because talking about people in japan is fun to them.

David Jaffe is probably not on speaking terms with EGM anymore so he's cool.

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« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2007, 01:27:28 PM »
I can't believe you guys are actually discussing this piece of shit list. Chris Buffa should stick to GameFAQs with this crap.
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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2007, 10:49:16 PM »
maybe that's why the first half of Twilight Princess plays like tedious crap, then

He actually contributed to the second half.

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« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2007, 08:18:43 AM »
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Konami's famous visionary revolutionized the action genre with his Metal Gear franchise, but we have more respect for his directing abilities. He continues to thrill people with his over the top cut scenes, but we still don't know what's going on in his games. Characters ramble on for more than five minutes at a time, and some of them look and sound ridiculous. ("Laugh and grow fat", anyone?) Furthermore, most of the MGS games play the same (Acid and Acid 2 excluded). MGS3's camouflage was fun to mess with, but we need more than fancy outfits. MGS4 looks incredible, but some of us have no interest in watching polygons jibber jabber. Kojima needs to prove that he's more than flashy visuals.

That paragraph really is why Kojima should be the #1 overrated industry guy.  Shiggy and Reggie are there mainly due to fanboys cartoonizing them into icons, but Kojima reallly hasn't brought the 'fun' and people go gaga for his shitty stories. He represents everything that was killing the industry. Miyamoto speaks for himself and Reggie's arrival has changed fortunes for Nintendo, even if the both of them have become fanboy characters that they could probably sell action figures of.  Kojima just hasn't brought anything except the trend of bad writing and non-interactive story telling trampling over the fun of a game.

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« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2007, 08:29:27 AM »
That's hilarious, because Kojima does more than MGS you know.
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« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2007, 10:55:11 AM »
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2. Molyneux - Almost all of his games receive exceptional hype, almost solely created by himself, and yet they, just as much, fall flat when they're released. Molyneux is a hit or miss designer. His concepts are nice, but he misses as much as he throws hype towards his games. I haven't played The Movies yet, but Fable and Black and White in particular kinda make me wonder why he's so praised. Fable, in general, is a disappointment considering how much the guy coated it with hyperbolic embrace prior to it's release. Molyneaux probably makes himself overrated due to all of praise and hype he does for his games. He doesn't even need the fanboys to do it for him. Lay off, chief.
I'm going to fuck you up taco.  You've never played any of his older stuff have you?  That man can wrap turds in foil and call it a game and because of his past I'll forgive him.  Have you played Black and White 2?????? HAVE YOU?!

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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2007, 11:19:43 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2007, 08:58:39 PM »
Kojima is a hack that brought forward overproduced, meaningless cutscenes to games and really didn't do anything else at all.  I never felt sneaky in MGS, more like I'm walking to the next movie.

You can go love zone of the enders and boktai.

Simply, there is nobody on forums that is given more respect for no reason than him.  He can go eat a dick.

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« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2007, 09:04:38 PM »
Kojima didn't bring overproduced, meaningless cutscenes to games at all....

Final Fantasy pioneered that more than Metal Gear. Metal Gear Solid's cutscenes are never meaningless.

What the fuck are you talking about?
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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2007, 09:10:26 PM »
this is am nintenho we are talking about

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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2007, 12:13:42 AM »
I think the game's had shitty stories and way too many cutscenes.  When you can barely make more gameplay than cutscenes, then it's a broken, shitty game.

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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2007, 01:12:12 AM »
The stories are supposed to mock B movies. They're not supposed to be great works of art to begin with, and the games don't have that many cutscenes. The average MGS has 2-3 hours worth of cutscenes and 13-14 hours of gameplay. With MGS3, that ratio is completely altered. It's still 2-3 hours of cutscenes, but you spend 25-30 hours with the game. One of the biggest complaints by people with MGS3 is that there is a lack of story. The middle part of the story is mostly going from place to place sneaking around, and there's rarely if ever, any character interaction outside of boss fights.

Also, the MGS games are highly replayable, so the cutscene argument makes no sense because when replaying MGS' most people skip the cutscenes to begin with.
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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2007, 01:32:45 AM »
The gameplay is AWEFUL.  Story, as you say, might have sarcasm but nobody gives a shit to play something that antiquated to hear a guy mock another movie for 5 minutes.

It's not a very satisfying game and it sure as fuck didn't bring anything great.  Sarcasm?  I'm sure there's been games before MGS 1 that have done sarcasm of pop culture better but I don't remember any time there was sarcasm in MGS.

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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2007, 04:06:24 AM »
Theres soooo many good jokes in the MGS games. Personally I think theyre great  :)
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« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2007, 09:10:24 AM »
MGS2 I remember having a ridiculous amount of cutscenes... MGS3 was nicer in that regard, because they cut down the length of the cutscenes. I don't mind a lot of cutscenes if they are short and a lot happens... but MGS2's just felt like they were dragging on and on, as the plot got more and more jumbled and confusing. Too bad I hated the whole injury recovery system in MGS3, that kept it from beating out #1 for my favorite of the series :(
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« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2007, 11:26:20 AM »
Kojima:  Outside of Metal Gear, he hasnīt done anything that I give a shit.  He created Policenauts and Snatcher, but I think most on the internet that claim to have played this games, actually have never played them.  People credit him games that he didnīt create.  He was the producer of Bokai, but he didnīt direct it.  The Acid games were made by Shinta Nojiri.  He only produced the Zone of the Enders game and he barely had any participation in those games.

Miyamoto:  This guy is even more overrated than Kojima,  like a million times more.  Just like Kojima, he is credited too many things that he didntīt create.  Brain Training?  Who the fuck told you guys he created this?  This piece of shit is based on a book written by Professor Ryūta Kawashima.
Wii Sports?  I doubt the bastard had any participation in this, excepting his stupid PR.  Nintendogs? Same as BT, Miyamoto had NOTHING to do with this, this game was a creation of Kiyoshi Mizuki.  Pikmin?  That shit was designed by two people, Shigefumi Hino and Masamichi Abe.  Basically, anything made by Nintendo, the nintards go "oh that was Miyamoto", even though he didnt do shit.

I actually think he is only Nintendo as a PR monkey and nothing more.  I even think that his "Happy go lucky" image is a fake to keep ninfans and the press happy.
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« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2007, 12:54:34 PM »
Kojima:  Outside of Metal Gear, he hasnīt done anything that I give a shit.  He created Policenauts and Snatcher, but I think most on the internet that claim to have played this games, actually have never played them.  People credit him games that he didnīt create.  He was the producer of Bokai, but he didnīt direct it.  The Acid games were made by Shinta Nojiri.  He only produced the Zone of the Enders game and he barely had any participation in those games.

Well didn't he have more say in ZOE2? ZOE1 sucked balls, but he had more clout in the sequel, making it awesome. I do agree though. I definitely would say Kojima is overrated when you think of it that way. This coming from someone who loves and has played games like Snatcher. I've ALWAYS said that Kojima wastes his potential doing 1000 Metal Gear related games, and I honestly hope that MGS4 is the last one. Suda 51 > Kojima

Miyamoto:  This guy is even more overrated than Kojima,  like a million times more.  Just like Kojima, he is credited too many things that he didntīt create.  Brain Training?  Who the fuck told you guys he created this?  This piece of shit is based on a book written by Professor Ryūta Kawashima.
Wii Sports?  I doubt the bastard had any participation in this, excepting his stupid PR.  Nintendo Dogs? Same as BT, Miyamoto had NOTHING to do with this, this game was a creation of Kiyoshi Mizuki.  Pikmin?  That shit was designed by two people, Shigefumi Hino and Masamichi Abe.  Basically, anything made by Nintendo, the nintards go "oh that was Miyamoto", even though he didnt do shit.

I actually think he is only Nintendo as a PR monkey and nothing more.  I even think that his "Happy go lucky" image is a fake to keep ninfans and the press happy.

And someone give me a QFT right here.
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