What's everyone's take on Godfather I and II?

[dunce cap]

I found it to be entertaining, but ultimately they were shallow films

[Flannel Boy]

You have some competition Phoenix Dark.

[CajoleJuice]

You have some competition Phoenix Dark.

[Cheebs]

We all know what Coppola's greatest film was:

[morphix]

never seen them.


I hear Godfather insists upon itself...

[dunce cap]

You have some competition Phoenix Dark.

What do you mean by that

[The Fake Shemp]

Shallow films?

[brawndolicious]

Shallow films?

kinda were.

[dunce cap]

Shallow films?

All glamour, culture, and cool guys speaking their native tounge. Patton was more complex, etc.

[TVC15]

Well, to be fair, if they're based off the books, then they probably are pretty shallow.  The books got railed for that by critics.

Of course, I have never seen the movies, so I can only assume they blow.

[CajoleJuice]

The internet never ceased to amaze me. What the Christ.

[brawndolicious]

Well, to be fair, if they're based off the books, then they probably are pretty shallow.  The books got railed for that by critics.
Of course, I have never seen the movies, so I can only assume they blow.

Essentially it's the actors making something trashy seem like high art.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

You have some competition Phoenix Dark.

Argh, beaten!

[dunce cap]

Is Phoenix Dark regarged as simple-minded and childish? HAHAHAH HA I get that

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Is Phoenix Dark regarged as simple-minded and childish? HAHAHAH HA I get that

He's a gay black man with the worst taste this side of stale brocolli.

[dunce cap]

Did anyone find my sad faces funny? Or does it not make sense...I guess I don't know how to convey funny

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

I understood them, but they made me feel bad for you more than make me laugh 

[dunce cap]

awww why do you heve to shay that 

[pitohui]

I love 'em, they're among my favorite movies.

[Phoenix Dark]

 

The OP's views are quite disturbing, and borderline blasphemy.

[Shuri]

never seen them.


I hear Godfather insists upon itself...

put down the animu dvds and buy the trilogy 

[The Fake Shemp]

put down the animu dvds and buy the trilogy Part I and Part II 

Fixed.

[CajoleJuice]

put down the animu dvds and buy the trilogy Part I and Part II 

Fixed.

That's what I did.

Still haven't seen the third, though.

[Phoenix Dark]

The third one is not a terrible movie. It's not great either, but I certainly don't understand why people absolutely hate it.

It's setting is what really makes it worse than the other movies for me. The first Godfather's setting was mainly on the Corleone family, while the second was set around the casino. The third's Catholic church setting is rather bland, as is some of the acting (mainly Coppola's daughter). But Andy Garcia is amazing in the movie imho.

It's like a 7.5/10 movie imo. And of course Robert Duvall's absense in the movie really hurts it.

[TVC15]

It's setting is what really makes it worse than the other movies for me. The first Godfather's setting was mainly on the Corleone family, while the second was set around the casino. The third's Catholic church setting is rather bland, as is some of the acting (mainly Coppola's daughter). But Andy Garcia is amazing in the movie imho.

Yes but the third movie is based upon real events that not many people know about.  It's about the Vatican Bank and Banco Ambrosiano scandal, which altered the international funding between many international baddie organizations, from Propaganda Due to the US mafia, right?  It's also theorized that Pope John Paul I was assassinated because of the scandal (he was going to make the Vatican's bank records public, which would've shown that known mafia folks and P2 folks were using the Vatican bank to slush money into all sorts of illicit behavior).

[Phoenix Dark]

It's setting is what really makes it worse than the other movies for me. The first Godfather's setting was mainly on the Corleone family, while the second was set around the casino. The third's Catholic church setting is rather bland, as is some of the acting (mainly Coppola's daughter). But Andy Garcia is amazing in the movie imho.

Yes but the third movie is based upon real events that not many people know about.  It's about the Vatican Bank and Banco Ambrosiano scandal, which altered the international funding between many international baddie organizations, from Propaganda Due to the US mafia, right?  It's also theorized that Pope John Paul I was assassinated because of the scandal (he was going to make the Vatican's bank records public, which would've shown that known mafia folks and P2 folks were using the Vatican bank to slush money into all sorts of illicit behavior).

All the movies are based around a real story though; but of course Hollywood and Puzo's books fictionalized a lot of things.

[dunce cap]

All the movies are based around a real story though; but of course Hollywood and Puzo's books fictionalized a lot of things.

Things like the Mob being full of people who had it together and stuff. Most of the time they're loosersih and simplistic. Goodfellas was better in that respect 

[The Fake Shemp]

Because the mob did have it together and it was like a family.  You have to remember, this film is not set today like Goodfellas.  When the Italians immigrated over here to New York, the mafiosa really looked out for their own people (as well as shook them down).  It wasn't really until the rise of the drug trade, and power hungry spoiled brats, that the mob undid itself and allowed the FBI to really crack it down.  I mean, did you see either of these two fucking movies?

[TVC15]

Because the mob did have it together and it was like a family.  You have to remember, this film is not set today like Goodfellas.  When the Italians immigrated over here to New York, the mafiosa really looked out for their own people (as well as shook them down).  It wasn't really until the rise of the drug trade, and power hungry spoiled brats, that the mob undid itself and allowed the FBI to really crack it down.  I mean, did you see either of these two fucking movies?

Yeah, I can really see The Sopranos as being a modern day continuation of what happened to a Godfather-esque dynasty after the drug trade infested it and rotted it from the inside.

[The Fake Shemp]

Tony versus Michael - who would win?

[TVC15]

Tony versus Michael - who would win?

I'd have to say Tony, but I really don't have any good reasons.  Oh, Al Pacino generally sucks, that's why.

[dunce cap]

Because the mob did have it together and it was like a family.  You have to remember, this film is not set today like Goodfellas.  When the Italians immigrated over here to New York, the mafiosa really looked out for their own people (as well as shook them down).  It wasn't really until the rise of the drug trade, and power hungry spoiled brats, that the mob undid itself and allowed the FBI to really crack it down.  I mean, did you see either of these two fucking movies?

Yes, I have seen both of the movies. They spoke Italain while sipping expensive wines in both of of them. In the first one, they choose to make sicily into some sort of wonderland, and Little Italy in the second one. Oh, they pushed around a lot of non-wiseguys who were stupid enough to mess with  "teh family". I'm not an expert, but I don't buy "The Godfather" himself. In reality, their personal lives and careers were proabably closer to Al Capone, or the many of Latino gang leaders sitting in prison today.

[TVC15]

Because the mob did have it together and it was like a family.  You have to remember, this film is not set today like Goodfellas.  When the Italians immigrated over here to New York, the mafiosa really looked out for their own people (as well as shook them down).  It wasn't really until the rise of the drug trade, and power hungry spoiled brats, that the mob undid itself and allowed the FBI to really crack it down.  I mean, did you see either of these two fucking movies?

Yes, I have seen both of the movies. They spoke Italain while sipping expensive wines in both of of them. In the first one, they choose to make sicily into some sort of wonderland, and Little Italy in the second one. Oh, they pushed around a lot of non-wiseguys who were stupid enough to mess with  "teh family". I'm not an expert, but I don't buy "The Godfather" himself. In reality, their personal lives and careers were proabably closer to Al Capone, or the many of Latino gang leaders sitting in prison today.

Pretty much everyone gets their hands dirty in the Godfather.  The only two people that are hands off the hard dirty things are Don Vito and Tom Hagen.

And I'm about them making Sicily a wonderland.  I must've missed that part when I watched the movie last night.  Yeah, Michael runs to Italy, but Sicily is never put on a huge pedestal.  Family is, but not Sicily.

[dunce cap]

But when they get their hands dirty, they're just so cool about it and the victims never see it coming. And the Godfather, he loves all his sons, but him and Michael are super cool with some special "knowing". Actually, they were good movies, but there are scenes all of it is too much. Patton was more balanced about cinematic illusion and reality. I wouldn't even say that it was a fault. Just irks me a bit.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm not an expert, but I don't buy "The Godfather" himself. In reality, their personal lives and careers were proabably closer to Al Capone, or the many of Latino gang leaders sitting in prison today.

Yeah, there's your problem.  First off, they were nothing like Al Capone, who was never an East Coast mobster.  And furthermore, Al Capone, albeit not the most sophisticated mobster in the world, was incredibly cunning and ruthless.

This is about second/third generation Italian immigrant mafiosa, and it's pretty good in that respect.  Yes, they speak Italian, most East Coast-based mafias did, because they had to communicate back and forth to Sicily.  Also, Vito Corleone is based on actual mobster, Frank Costello, who was born in Italy, carried some of the same mannerisms and whose life parallels Vito Corleone.  I think Puzo has said that he's also based on Vito Genovese (gasp - also born in Italy!), who tried to put a hit on Costello and failed, leading to his early retirement from the mafia.

Point being, the mafia was like that.  They were cunning and ruthless and nobody did see it coming, and it was until the 70s that the authorities were finally able to break the mafia down and that was mostly due to inner turmoil.

[TVC15]

And the Godfather, he loves all his sons, but him and Michael are super cool with some special "knowing".

This is no secret, Vito says himself that he always had political ambitions for Michael, hence his special treatment and the lack of derision he received not being part of the family business.  Vito had special plans for him.

[dunce cap]

I'm not an expert, but I don't buy "The Godfather" himself. In reality, their personal lives and careers were proabably closer to Al Capone, or the many of Latino gang leaders sitting in prison today.

Yeah, there's your problem.  First off, they were nothing like Al Capone, who was never an East Coast mobster.  And furthermore, Al Capone, albeit not the most sophisticated mobster in the world, was incredibly cunning and ruthless.

This is about second/third generation Italian immigrant mafiosa, and it's pretty good in that respect.  Yes, they speak Italian, most East Coast-based mafias did, because they had to communicate back and forth to Sicily.  Also, Vito Corleone is based on actual mobster, Frank Costello, who was born in Italy, carried some of the same mannerisms and whose life parallels Vito Corleone.  I think Puzo has said that he's also based on Vito Genovese (gasp - also born in Italy!), who tried to put a hit on Costello and failed, leading to his early retirement from the mafia.

Point being, the mafia was like that.  They were cunning and ruthless and nobody did see it coming, and it was until the 70s that the authorities were finally able to break the mafia down and that was mostly due to inner turmoil.

Ok, I belive you since you're more read up. I was drawing parallels based documentaries about Latin gangs.

Vito had special plans for him.

I was alluding to the fact the the movie presented thier elightment about gangster affairs as the ulimate truth, rather than something that saw them both as sorry, tragic characters. Not enough of that stuff.