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[Flannel Boy]

    
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[brawndolicious]

in the ghetto?

[Yeti]

I'm partial to Devil in Disguise.

[Flannel Boy]

I'm partial to Devil in Disguise.

You would, wouldn't you? Satan!

[Phoenix Dark]

lol Elvis

[The Sceneman]

in the ghetto?

Personally I think this track shits all over both your poll options

[Stocky]

Burning Love and Devil in Disguise

[Cheebs]

lol Elvis

whats wrong with elvis?

My personal favorite is "Suspicious Minds".

[Phoenix Dark]

Can't Help Falling in Love is pretty cool, I'm not gonna front. But Elvis still can kiss my black ass

[Van Cruncheon]

there are no good elvis songs, just as there are no good beatles songs

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not arguing against that

[Cheebs]

But Elvis still can kiss my black ass

Elvis was fucking awesome, what do you have against him? And you are not stupid enough to pull the "lol black music" card.

[Flannel Boy]

there are no good elvis songs, just as there are no good beatles songs

Looks like Drinky is being the contrarian he so dislikes.

They have such large oeuvres you'd think there was at least one song you'd like.

[Phoenix Dark]

But Elvis still can kiss my black ass

Elvis was fucking awesome, what do you have against him?

There was nothing awesome about his pretendious ass. While Elvis was not the racist bastard he's made out to be, his success truly shines light on the racism of the 50's. In the 60's whites seemed to be perfectly fine listening to black music, because by that time it had penetrated "white" music so much that it was almost impossible to not pay attention. Yes we can thank Elvis for opening that door, but I'm not willing to hail him as "fucking awesome". His music (IE the stuff he actually wrote) was ok

[Van Cruncheon]

nope. it all sounds like people i hate.

[Cheebs]

I am GLAD he "took" rock & roll music from the black community. The majority of the best rock & roll bands from the 50's onward have been white. Why should someone refuse to let a race dictate whose music it is? Part of the problem with rap is that it is stuck in that black gangsta image and hasn't expanded from that in the public's mind. One could mention Eminem but Eminem was no Elvis.

Why should anyone be pissed that the 50's racist views resulted in expanding(lol "stealing") that music? The way in which it was done was far from the best, but the overall effect of the movement in rock & roll has been 100% for the best.

[Phoenix Dark]

I am GLAD he "took" rock & roll music from the black community. The majority of the best rock & roll bands from the 50's onward have been white. Why should refuse to let a race dictate whose music it is? Part of the problem with rap is that it is stuck in that black gangsta image and hasn't expanded from that in the public's mind. One could credit Eminem but Eminem was no Elvis.

Why should anyone be pissed that the 50's racist views resulted in expanding(lol "stealing") that music?

Credit Eminem? Are you distinguished mentally-challenged? He's not doing much of anything that hasn't been done before; in fact, he's running "gangsta" with 50 Cent right now. Em was a great rapper imo and I love the fact that at one time he always seemed like a real dude; you knew who Hailey was, you knew who Kim was, etc.

And this is what I'm talking about: people who don't know much about music putting the praise and giving credit to those who just took what was already being done and making it "mainstream". Eminem deserves no "credit". Have you ever heard of people who don't rap about gangsta shit, like Common or Mos Def or People Under the Stairs or Talib Kweli or any others?

THAT's what pisses me off. There's nothing wrong with that stuff, just please don't say they invented shit because they didn't. And this is coming from a huge Led Zeppelin fan.

[Cheebs]

Making something mainstream IS important. Don't be prentitious, Elvis is responsible for rock & roll's rise to be THE genre of music. Regardless if he didn't invent it nor was a original innovator in it.

Did he "steal" the music? Sure if you want to look at it that way. But that does not take away from the fact he is reason rock & roll is what it is today  MUCH moreso than the black rock & roll artists that presided him. The reason he took it to the public puts him at a higher level than the rest regardless if that is fair or not.

[Phoenix Dark]

Making something mainstream IS important. Don't be prentitious, Elvis is responsible for rock & roll's rise to be THE genre of music. Regardless if he didn't invent it nor was a original innovator in it.

Did he "steal" the music? Sure if you want to look at it that way. But that does not take away from the fact he is reason rock & roll is what it is today.

Let's leave logical fallacies out of the discussion please.

Making stuff mainstream is important, but my problem is with this idea that Elvis "invented" rock and roll, which you seem to believe. It's the same with the Eminem point. Elvis helped make rock and roll seem more civilized to the racists of that time, yet it also horrified older racists who saw him as a Trojan Horse of "jungle music" debauchery, "poisoning" the youth.

[Cheebs]

He didn't invent rock & roll but he was far more important in context of the history of the genre than the black musicians that were before him. Even if that isn't "fair" and you shouldn't be upset over that. He made the genre open to all the best rock & roll musicians that came from the 60's onward.

[Phoenix Dark]

He didn't invent rock & roll but he was far more important in context of the history of the genre than the black musicians that were before him. Even if that isn't "fair" and you shouldn't be upset over that. He made the genre open to all the best rock & roll musicians that came from the 60's onward.

How is he more important than the very people who laid the foundation for his success?

[Cheebs]

Because he took it and made it mainstream and changed the face of music. It is meaningless if he invented it, he made it what it is today. You can't argue that.

[Phoenix Dark]

Because he took it and made it mainstream and changed the face of music. It is meaningless if he invented it, he made it what it is today. You can't argue that.

As far as I'm concerned the Beatles did more for modern rock than Elvis, who is extremely over rated and quite unimpressive as a musician and music artist. If he created anything it's the music gimmick.

[Cheebs]

There would be no Beatles if there was no Elvis to break the barrier and turn rock & roll into the mainstream (and yes white dominated) genre it became.

And I say this as someone who finds the beatles to be 1000000000000000000000000x better than elvis.

[Phoenix Dark]

There would be no Beatles if there was no Elvis to break the barrier and turn rock & roll into the mainstream (and yes white dominated) genre it became.

And I say this as someone who finds the beatles to be 1000000000000000000000000x better than elvis.

This says nothing about his musical talent or relevence. I can't think of a single contribution he made to rock music, in part because much of his stuff was written for him as it is.

[brawndolicious]

Beatles came after Elvis got commercial jingles to stop being the only thing played on FM radio.

Elvis is like John Wayne, he's not known for being a good actor or musician, he's known for being an icon.  And Phoenix Dark is an immense taco.

[Phoenix Dark]

Beatles came after Elvis got commercial jingles to stop being the only thing played on FM radio.

Elvis is like John Wayne, he's not known for being a good actor or musician, he's known for being an icon.  And Phoenix Dark is an immense taco.

John Wayne was pretty awesome though. Elvis was not.

[Flannel Boy]

It doesn't matter whether Elvis was a good artist or a good composer; he expanded the market for the genre. In a way, he created the market. Without Elvis it's unlikely bands like the Beatles or Zep would have made it.

[Phoenix Dark]

It doesn't matter whether Elvis was a good artist or a good composer; he expanded the market for the genre. In a way, he created the market. Without Elvis it's unlikely bands like the Beatles or Zep would have made it.

I never challenged that assertion. Elvis as an artist was extremely mediocre, at best. It's not surprising why he was only big for a few years and didn't have the longevity of bands like The Beatles or Zep, who actually were talented enough to change their music and still keep it relevent to the fickle public. Once Elvis ran out of blues songs to fuck up and writers to make him cheesy love songs what did he do? Become a crooner of horrible songs and eater of many hamburgers

[Cheebs]

It doesn't matter if you thought he was good or not. You are putting your biases in your view of the history of rock and roll.

Elvis was more important than all the black artists before him, combined.

Not because he was good, but because he broke the barrier, made rock & roll mainstream and paved the way for the british invasion of rock and roll that came with the beatles and the rolling stones.


Can you honestly say we would have gotten the stones and the beatles without elvis?

[brawndolicious]

No, you see we're talking about him as an icon.

You can actually respect musicians in many ways and that is probably why many singers, some even black, remix his songs.

[Phoenix Dark]

It doesn't matter if you thought he was good or not. You are putting your biases in your view of the history of rock and roll.

Elvis was more important than all the black artists before him, combined.

Not because he was good, but because he broke the barrier, made rock & roll mainstream and paved the way for the british invasion of rock and roll that came with the beatles and the rolling stones.


Can you honestly say we would have gotten the stones and the beatles without elvis?

I never challenged that (although I think the British Invasion would have happened with or without Elvis).

My original statement was that Elvis was not "fucking awesome" lol. He was quite plain.

[Phoenix Dark]

No, you see we're talking about him as an icon.

You can actually respect musicians in many ways and that is probably why many singers, some even black, remix his songs.

Of course he's an icon.

[brawndolicious]

Yes, he made an era of music BETTER.

You little taco.

On the topic of your faggotry, you like Tool.  I don't think you have the right to insult any musician if you like seeing a guy sing in his underwear.

[Tauntaun]

wow, this thread rapidly went from bad to horrible

[xnikki118x]

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