Author Topic: Help a guy pick an hdtv (Read 3302 times)

Himu · « **on:** April 06, 2007, 03:25:01 PM »

Someone get dark10x over here or some shit.

My dilemma is the cost of all this. I'm going to be getting a 360 Elite next month or so and a ps3 maybe next year. I'm going to need an hdtv obviously. However, what's a really good hdtv that's also CHEAPER than the rest of the ones you typically see? 600 dollars is way too much. Also, I don't have much room to spare in my room so 30 inches or so is out of the question. I'd prefer 20 or so inches, honestly.

As a requirement I would like to have hdmi and 720p. It can be an lcd or regular tv, I don't care, as long as it's hd!

Something in the 400-500 dollar price range would be ideal!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:34:54 PM »

You can probably pick up a 20" LCD for about $400 or $500. CRTs will be cheap, but they are heavy. I loved mine while I had it, but I couldn't take it with me to my new digs due to the weight.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:36:12 PM »

Just save up 1000 bux for a 32 inch lcd hdtv and save yourself a 600 dollar short term loss.

Himu · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:38:38 PM »

Someone suggested this one for me:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT1953H-19-LCD-HDTV/dp/B000N5220I/ref=sr_1_14/104-9907348-6136727?ie=UTF8&s=audio-video&qid=1175887233&sr=1-14

Quote from: Willco on April 06, 2007, 03:34:54 PM

You can probably pick up a 20" LCD for about $400 or $500. CRTs will be cheap, but they are heavy. I loved mine while I had it, but I couldn't take it with me to my new digs due to the weight.

And what features did it have? How is the average quality for these types of monitors?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:39:56 PM »

ITS SO TINY

That's weird, tech specs say 800:1 then the product descript near the bottom says 700:1

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #5 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:41:10 PM »

CRT HDTVs have almost all the features of LCD. Mine did 1080i, had HDMI, multiple component inputs, etc. It was a great TV. 30" and you can probably find one bigger for in the $400 - $500 range. The problem is that those 30"+ CRTs all weigh 90lbs or more.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #6 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:41:38 PM »

I had a 27 inch EDTV CRT and almost threw out my back taking it up some stairs alone once.

Vizzys · « **Reply #7 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:45:21 PM »

CRTS are cheap but heavy indeed. Get an LCD. Widescreen of course.

demi · « **Reply #8 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:45:49 PM »

CRTs are pretty much the best -- arguably, but they're so BIG and HEAVY and AGH, plus they are limited by their size.

I'm just going LCD

Himu · « **Reply #9 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:45:52 PM »

What about this one?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7706921&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050007&id=1138085846523

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #10 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:47:52 PM »

It's still 90lbs., dude.

... also who gets a 4:3 HDTV. 16:9, fool!

Himu · « **Reply #11 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:49:44 PM »

Well, I have to find an lcd that's reasonably priced and features these things: 16:9, hdmi, 720p.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:53:38 PM »

You need to save a thousand bux and get a good tv. I spent 950 on my 32 inch wide Samsung, it was worth the wait.

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:56:35 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2007, 03:53:38 PM

You need to save a thousand bux and get a good tv. I spent 950 on my 32 inch wide Samsung, it was worth the wait.

Is the Samsung really heavy or can you move it around easily?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #14 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:57:41 PM »

really super light, its an LCD tho.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #15 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:57:56 PM »

LCDs could be 42" and still easy to move around.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #16 on:** April 06, 2007, 03:59:39 PM »

My TV:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNS3241D-32-LCD-HDTV/dp/B000ELSXZE/ref=sr_1_2/002-5091107-4191223?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1175889127&sr=8-2

Looks like Amazon has a great sale price right now. I got it for 950 three or so months ago locally.

Himu · « **Reply #17 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:03:23 PM »

Look at LCD section at best buy.com lol

http://www.bestbuy.com/site//olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat95100050006&type=category

Mupepe · « **Reply #18 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:03:38 PM »

Dude, Himu, get a Samsung CRT. I mean, where the fuck are you moving to and what are you doing that makes its size so prohibitive? GET THAT DESK OUT OF YOUR ROOM AND IT WILL FIT EASY

There's a few awesome samsung models that you can buy at Best Buy for ~700 dollars

Himu · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:05:46 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 04:03:38 PM

Dude, Himu, get a Samsung CRT. I mean, where the fuck are you moving to and what are you doing that makes its size so prohibitive? GET THAT DESK OUT OF YOUR ROOM AND IT WILL FIT EASY

There's a few awesome samsung models that you can buy at Best Buy for ~700 dollars

I'm going to renovate my room once I get one. The bookshelves will out, and the desk as well. I need something to store my games in after that though lol

Himu · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:10:08 PM »

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7682536&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050006&id=1134703182075

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:14:48 PM »

that samsung isnt bad himu.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:15:15 PM »

Why not go the LCD monitor route? It's cheaper

Mupepe · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:17:51 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2007, 04:14:48 PM

that samsung isnt bad himu.

QFT

I still say CRT for best bang for your buck. Let me try to find a link to my second HDTV ever. A 47" Samsung CRT

I got it for about 900 bucks a year and a half ago.

Mupepe · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:20:37 PM »

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=339697&pCatg=5885

Check that out. That's a fucking awesome deal.

aw fuck, nvm no 720p. only 1080i GAY

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #25 on:** April 06, 2007, 04:23:14 PM »

CRTs also lack the response time issues obviously, but I cant notice it on my LCD except when the bulbs are warming up the first 5 minutes.

Himu · « **Reply #26 on:** April 06, 2007, 07:12:44 PM »

I found this at best buy:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7679586&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050039&id=1134703132256

I really like this one..

Mupepe · « **Reply #27 on:** April 06, 2007, 07:15:13 PM »

so small

Himu · « **Reply #28 on:** April 06, 2007, 07:20:37 PM »

It's big enough.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2007, 07:37:44 PM »

Isnt said in the bibles that HDTVs need to be 27 inches or bust.

Beezy · « **Reply #30 on:** April 06, 2007, 07:58:34 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2007, 07:37:44 PM

Isnt said in the bibles that HDTVs need to be 27 inches or bust.

Really? I thought it was 32".

Mupepe · « **Reply #31 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:01:03 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on April 06, 2007, 07:58:34 PM

Quote from: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2007, 07:37:44 PM
Isnt said in the bibles that HDTVs need to be 27 inches or bust.

Really? I thought it was 32".

That's for 1080p

Anyways, Himu, why is your requirement HDMI if your other requirement is only 720p? You're seriously limiting your options that way.

Himu · « **Reply #32 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:05:50 PM »

I only want to play games on it. Games are currnelty using 720.

Mupepe · « **Reply #33 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:14:39 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:05:50 PM

I only want to play games on it. Games are currnelty using 720.

so why HDMI?

the image quality difference will NOT be noticeable on a screen that small.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #34 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:19:44 PM »

Well I have 32 inch widescreen LCD, but thats basically still 27 inches ...sorta cept its widescreen. Any smaller is just kinda wrong.

Beezy · « **Reply #35 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:21:07 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 08:01:03 PM

Quote from: Beezy on April 06, 2007, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2007, 07:37:44 PM
Isnt said in the bibles that HDTVs need to be 27 inches or bust.

Really? I thought it was 32".
That's for 1080p

Anyways, Himu, why is your requirement HDMI if your other requirement is only 720p? You're seriously limiting your options that way.

They got 32" with 1080p?

Mupepe · « **Reply #36 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:34:03 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on April 06, 2007, 08:21:07 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 06, 2007, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2007, 07:37:44 PM
Isnt said in the bibles that HDTVs need to be 27 inches or bust.

Really? I thought it was 32".
That's for 1080p

Anyways, Himu, why is your requirement HDMI if your other requirement is only 720p? You're seriously limiting your options that way.

They got 32" with 1080p?

Westinghouse or whatever does.

Himu · « **Reply #37 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:50:42 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 08:14:39 PM

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:05:50 PM
I only want to play games on it. Games are currnelty using 720.
so why HDMI?

the image quality difference will NOT be noticeable on a screen that small.

Because the 360 Elite comes with hdmi and I want to make use of that feature. I dont' know much about hdmi or any of that, except tv specialists says it's a big deal. Also, despite the fact I'll be using the tv for gaming, I'll also be using it for dvds and shit. If a tv has 1080 does that mean it's not compatible for 720 products? I don't know much about this stuff..hehe

Isn't the image quality poorer if you don't use hdmi?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #38 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:52:12 PM »

most mid-range hdtvs should do 720p and 1080i

Himu · « **Reply #39 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:54:27 PM »

And what about hdmi? If I hook up the 360's hdmi cable to a tv that doesn't have hdmi will I be screwed?

Also, I'm not exactly aware of 360 Elite's coming with any other type of cable...so if I get an elite I'm stuck. Might as well get an hdmi capable tv.

Beezy · « **Reply #40 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:57:42 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:54:27 PM

And what hdmi? If I hook up the 360's hdmi cable to a tv that doesn't have hdmi will I be screwed?

Also, I'm not exactly aware of 360 Elite's coming with any other type of cable...so if I get an elite I'm stuck. Might as well get an hdmi capable tv.

You CAN'T hook up the 360's HDMI cable to a TV that doesn't have HDMI...

Anyway, doesn't the elite also come with component cables?

Himu · « **Reply #41 on:** April 06, 2007, 08:58:37 PM »

I don't know about that at all.

Beezy · « **Reply #42 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:00:21 PM »

Wow, I finally found someone online who knows less about HDTVs than I do.

Vizzys · « **Reply #43 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:00:31 PM »

360 elite is the new distinguished mentally-challenged fellow pack. OH BOY MORE HDD SPACE THEN I WILL EVER USE, AND ITS BLACK.

If the hdmi cable is sold on its own, as it probably will be, it ceases to be important. Not that HDMI is anything worth paying extra for.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #44 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:01:47 PM »

HDMI cables have a very specific port that only HDMI sets have.

The difference between HDMI and component in terms of quality at 720p is something I cant even notice.

Mupepe · « **Reply #45 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:02:17 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:50:42 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:05:50 PM
I only want to play games on it. Games are currnelty using 720.
so why HDMI?

the image quality difference will NOT be noticeable on a screen that small.

Because the 360 Elite comes with hdmi and I want to make use of that feature. I dont' know much about hdmi or any of that, except tv specialists says it's a big deal. Also, despite the fact I'll be using the tv for gaming, I'll also be using it for dvds and shit. If a tv has 1080 does that mean it's not compatible for 720 products? I don't know much about this stuff..hehe

Isn't the image quality poorer if you don't use hdmi?

HDMI has better image quality than component, but the extra cost is going to do you no good. Your screen is too small to see the difference. You don't have a surround sound system that can take advantage of any of its sound capabilities. It's used mostly to restrict 1080p movies right now so that they can't be captured and pirated. If you had a blu ray/hd dvd player, it would make sense. The fact that you're saying you want it mostly for gaming just goes even further to prove you don't need it.

look past the hdmi because it's pretty much worthless to you.

And on the specs of a tv, it will say what it can accept as inputs. Some older CRT's can't accept 720p because it would require extra circuitry IIRC. But pretty much any modern hdtv can.

Himu · « **Reply #46 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:02:32 PM »

Quote from: Viz on April 06, 2007, 09:00:31 PM

360 elite is the new distinguished mentally-challenged fellow pack. OH BOY MORE HDD SPACE THEN I WILL EVER USE, AND ITS BLACK.

If the hdmi cable is sold on its own, as it probably will be, it ceases to be important. Not that HDMI is anything worth paying extra for.

Are you stupid?

For people who don't have 360's it's worth it more than the premium. 120 gigs for 80 more dollars. Hell yes, I'm getting that. Dumbass.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #47 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:02:38 PM »

Quote from: Viz on April 06, 2007, 09:00:31 PM

360 elite is the new distinguished mentally-challenged fellow pack. OH BOY MORE HDD SPACE THEN I WILL EVER USE, AND ITS BLACK.

If the hdmi cable is sold on its own, as it probably will be, it ceases to be important. Not that HDMI is anything worth paying extra for.

My 360 is a upgraded tard pack, its been running amazing so im not going to bother getting a new one and pressing my luck just yet.

Mupepe · « **Reply #48 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:03:25 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 09:02:32 PM

Quote from: Viz on April 06, 2007, 09:00:31 PM
360 elite is the new distinguished mentally-challenged fellow pack. OH BOY MORE HDD SPACE THEN I WILL EVER USE, AND ITS BLACK.

If the hdmi cable is sold on its own, as it probably will be, it ceases to be important. Not that HDMI is anything worth paying extra for.

Are you stupid?

For people who don't have 360's it's worth it more than the premium. 120 gigs for 80 more dollars. Hell yes, I'm getting that. Dumbass.

I agree. Just don't get the elite for HDMI. It's worthless to you buddy.

Vizzys · « **Reply #49 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:03:29 PM »

from the pictures I saw, the cable connected to the xboxs back is the same as the one in current 360s. Might have been doctored though.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #50 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:04:23 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 09:02:17 PM

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:05:50 PM
I only want to play games on it. Games are currnelty using 720.
so why HDMI?

the image quality difference will NOT be noticeable on a screen that small.

Because the 360 Elite comes with hdmi and I want to make use of that feature. I dont' know much about hdmi or any of that, except tv specialists says it's a big deal. Also, despite the fact I'll be using the tv for gaming, I'll also be using it for dvds and shit. If a tv has 1080 does that mean it's not compatible for 720 products? I don't know much about this stuff..hehe

Isn't the image quality poorer if you don't use hdmi?
HDMI has better image quality than component, but the extra cost is going to do you no good. Your screen is too small to see the difference. You don't have a surround sound system that can take advantage of any of its sound capabilities. It's used mostly to restrict 1080p movies right now so that they can't be captured and pirated. If you had a blu ray/hd dvd player, it would make sense. The fact that you're saying you want it mostly for gaming just goes even further to prove you don't need it.

look past the hdmi because it's pretty much worthless to you.

And on the specs of a tv, it will say what it can accept as inputs. Some older CRT's can't accept 720p because it would require extra circuitry IIRC. But pretty much any modern hdtv can.

The difference in video quality between component and HDMI is as apparent to me as the difference between Component and S-Video was. I really just run HDMI cause it keeps things clean behind the entertainment center, and I have a pretty nice tv.

Vizzys · « **Reply #51 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:04:33 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 09:02:32 PM

Quote from: Viz on April 06, 2007, 09:00:31 PM
360 elite is the new distinguished mentally-challenged fellow pack. OH BOY MORE HDD SPACE THEN I WILL EVER USE, AND ITS BLACK.

If the hdmi cable is sold on its own, as it probably will be, it ceases to be important. Not that HDMI is anything worth paying extra for.

Are you stupid?

For people who don't have 360's it's worth it more than the premium. 120 gigs for 80 more dollars. Hell yes, I'm getting that. Dumbass.

I see your point. I suppose, but I have one already.

Himu · « **Reply #52 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:08:02 PM »

Then why would you need to upgrade in the first place? It's not distinguished mentally-challenged fellow pack at all.

Vizzys · « **Reply #53 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:09:16 PM »

I was thinking from a poor persons standpoint.

Himu · « **Reply #54 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:11:19 PM »

So then

Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 09:02:17 PM

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:50:42 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2007, 08:14:39 PM
Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 08:05:50 PM
I only want to play games on it. Games are currnelty using 720.
so why HDMI?

the image quality difference will NOT be noticeable on a screen that small.

Because the 360 Elite comes with hdmi and I want to make use of that feature. I dont' know much about hdmi or any of that, except tv specialists says it's a big deal. Also, despite the fact I'll be using the tv for gaming, I'll also be using it for dvds and shit. If a tv has 1080 does that mean it's not compatible for 720 products? I don't know much about this stuff..hehe

Isn't the image quality poorer if you don't use hdmi?
HDMI has better image quality than component, but the extra cost is going to do you no good. Your screen is too small to see the difference. You don't have a surround sound system that can take advantage of any of its sound capabilities. It's used mostly to restrict 1080p movies right now so that they can't be captured and pirated. If you had a blu ray/hd dvd player, it would make sense. The fact that you're saying you want it mostly for gaming just goes even further to prove you don't need it.

look past the hdmi because it's pretty much worthless to you.

And on the specs of a tv, it will say what it can accept as inputs. Some older CRT's can't accept 720p because it would require extra circuitry IIRC. But pretty much any modern hdtv can.

So if HDMI is worthless to me right now, will the Elite come with component as well? Or is it HDMI only? How much do 360 component cables cost? I didn't say I'd get that 23 inch.

I may bump it up to 27 or 32.

I basically want an hdmi ready tv for the future when I DO get blu ray or hddvd player.

Mupepe · « **Reply #55 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:15:04 PM »

Elite will most likely come with just component. MS is cheap that way. It's definitely not HDMI only.

And as far as being future proof with HDMI, it will still be worthless baby. your tv is not 1080p so you still wouldn't be able to watch Blu Ray and HD DVD at their native resolutions (which is the only HDMI on those players are good for basically). Save HDMI for your next TV and for when it is more established and useful

And if you're not a big videophile, you probably won't see a damn difference between HDMI and component.

Himu · « **Reply #56 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:16:58 PM »

How much do the tvs that have both 720 and 1080 cost

Mupepe · « **Reply #57 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:18:37 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on April 06, 2007, 09:16:58 PM

How much do the tvs that have both 720 and 1080 cost

depends on brand/size/features etc.

Just do some shopping and don't make HDMI a must. It really IS worthless to you. HDMI is worthless for a budget home entertainment system. I honestly can't tell a difference when I switch out HDMI and component on my tv.

Just look around. And for god's sake, consider CRT's for the black levels if nothing else.

Himu · « **Reply #58 on:** April 06, 2007, 09:22:38 PM »

Thanks for the tips!

Himu · « **Reply #59 on:** April 07, 2007, 12:45:49 AM »

So what's this about LCD's "ghosting"

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Author Topic: Help a guy pick an hdtv (Read 3302 times)