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[Cheebs]

wtf is going on? What did he say this time!

[Phoenix Dark]

Unforgiven: 6/10
Children of Men: 9.5/10

[Cheebs]

What would you do if you were the age you are right now when Unforgiven sweeped in 1992 oscars?

[demi]

you should watch Guyver, those movies are tight.

[Cheebs]

you should watch Guyver, those movies are tight.

bump more pd hate topics

[Phoenix Dark]

What would you do if you were the age you are right now when Unforgiven sweeped in 1992 oscars?

Nothing. I'd just wait for it to come out on VHS and watch it. I'd probably be more disappointed though, because I'd see all that hype first hand and then see the movie didn't deserve any of it

[Madrun Badrun]

unforgiven is over rated.  I don't see the appeal to it. 

[Ichirou]

What would you do if you were the age you are right now when Unforgiven sweeped in 1992 oscars?

Nothing. I'd just wait for it to come out on VHS and watch it. I'd probably be more disappointed though, because I'd see all that hype first hand and then see the movie didn't deserve any of it

I still can't believe you didn't understand that movie.  Even the slightest knowledge of American history and the Western genre is all that's needed to comprehend the film's themes.

You have absolutely no eye for subtlety.  I pity you.

[Phoenix Dark]

What would you do if you were the age you are right now when Unforgiven sweeped in 1992 oscars?

Nothing. I'd just wait for it to come out on VHS and watch it. I'd probably be more disappointed though, because I'd see all that hype first hand and then see the movie didn't deserve any of it

I still can't believe you didn't understand that movie.  Even the slightest knowledge of American history and the Western genre is all that's needed to comprehend the film's themes.

You have absolutely no eye for subtlety.  I pity you.

American history? Are you joking? Give me an example

[Ichirou]

Err, an example of what?  Look, man, Unforgiven is about the whitewashing of America's frontier history and western expansionism and tearing down the violent, heroic myths that arose from that period in the form of the traditional Western film.

[Phoenix Dark]

Err, an example of what?  Look, man, Unforgiven is about the whitewashing of America's frontier history and western expansionism and tearing down the violent, heroic myths that arose from that period in the form of the traditional Western film.

That's all well and good but it doesn't excuse the movie's flaws. I know enough about American history to tell you yes, that was indeed a savage period in the US - yet that's not even portrayed in the movie. Instead we get a pussy ass sherriff and a town that lets a black guy fuck prostitutes (as if that would EVER happen in 1880). So please, don't talk to me about American history.

What was the relevence of Eastwood repeating the same lines over and over again? I must be too ignorant to understand why he had to tell the audience "no, I used to be a no good dirty son of a bitch killer back in the day but my...wife straightened me out" every ten minutes?

[Ichirou]

Err, an example of what?  Look, man, Unforgiven is about the whitewashing of America's frontier history and western expansionism and tearing down the violent, heroic myths that arose from that period in the form of the traditional Western film.

That's all well and good but it doesn't excuse the movie's flaws. I know enough about American history to tell you yes, that was indeed a savage period in the US - yet that's not even portrayed in the movie. Instead we get a pussy ass sherriff and a town that lets a black guy fuck prostitutes (as if that would EVER happen in 1880). So please, don't talk to me about American history.

Pussy ass sheriff?  Did you want Little Bill to be a TOTAL BADASS?  That's not what the movie is about.  In real life, there are shades of gray.  Little Bill isn't a character type, he's a human being.  He's not portrayed as being this evil monster, because he's not.  He's just an old killer trying to retire and live out his life in peace and quiet.

What was the relevence of Eastwood repeating the same lines over and over again? I must be too ignorant to understand why he had to tell the audience "no, I used to be a no good dirty son of a bitch killer back in the day but my...wife straightened me out" every ten minutes?

Jesus H. Christ. 

Don't you get the meaning behind the repetition?  He's a bad man who's trying to convince himself that he's reformed and that he's no longer violent and out-of-control.  He's basically repeating a lie and trying to make it true.  He desperately wants to believe (and wants others to reassure him) that he's a moral man, especially because he's getting older and death is getting closer.  Look at how quickly he decides to take the job to murder a man, and recruits the Morgan Freeman character.

[Phoenix Dark]

Yes, I'm so impressed. 

[Himu]

What would you do if you were the age you are right now when Unforgiven sweeped in 1992 oscars?

Nothing. I'd just wait for it to come out on VHS and watch it. I'd probably be more disappointed though, because I'd see all that hype first hand and then see the movie didn't deserve any of it

I still can't believe you didn't understand that movie.  Even the slightest knowledge of American history and the Western genre is all that's needed to comprehend the film's themes.

You have absolutely no eye for subtlety.  I pity you.

You should have seen his 2001 impressions.

[Ichirou]

Yes, I'm so ignorant. 

Fixed.

[Van Cruncheon]

jesus hell, little bill isn't SUPPOSED to be a monster. that's the WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE CHARACTER!

[bagofeyes]

Dumb people piss me off

[Phoenix Dark]

Eastwood's character was beyond bland and pretentious. It's not like the first reformed killer to be presented in a Western; his constant sermons on being a new man could have been handled so much better, and with much more...subtlety

[The Fake Shemp]

Subtlety that only Tom Cruise can display.

[Van Cruncheon]

he's NOT a reformed killer -- he *is* a killer. his "sermons" are LIES. there are no heroes in the movie -- everyone is evil, and the man who lies to himself the most is the worst of them all. the movie is about contradictions. you want to hate little bill because he's set up as the villain and you want to cheer for clint eastwood because he's clint, but in the end, clint's the one with the dead soul and little bill's just another corpse in his wake.

[The Fake Shemp]

No, Drinky, I don't think you understand.  He was a killer, but then his wife straightened him out!

[Phoenix Dark]

he's NOT a reformed killer -- he *is* a killer. his "sermons" are LIES. there are no heroes in the movie -- everyone is evil, and the man who lies to himself the most is the worst of them all.

I never said he was a hero. If anything it seemed like his wife was able to tame him, but it just took a traumatic loss for him to just snap.

[Ichirou]

he's NOT a reformed killer -- he *is* a killer. his "sermons" are LIES. there are no heroes in the movie -- everyone is evil, and the man who lies to himself the most is the worst of them all.

Don't you get the meaning behind the repetition?  He's a bad man who's trying to convince himself that he's reformed and that he's no longer violent and out-of-control.  He's basically repeating a lie and trying to make it true.  He desperately wants to believe (and wants others to reassure him) that he's a moral man, especially because he's getting older and death is getting closer.  Look at how quickly he decides to take the job to murder a man, and recruits the Morgan Freeman character.

PD, plz read both these quotes a few times and try to understand the character of William Munny.  It's obvious that you didn't get what Eastwood was doing in presenting his protagonist.

Eastwood's character is neither hero nor anti-hero.  Hell, you can look at him as being the villain of the piece, basically coming into a town, disrupting its peace and killing its sheriff.  When he rides off, the women aren't looking at him in awe and gratitude.  They're shocked and horrified after they've finally realized the events they set in motion by hiring a killer.

[Van Cruncheon]

he wasn't tamed. he knew what he was getting into, and he wanted to do it, despite his pleas to the audience. he was a bad, merciless man, and we only liked him because the movie taught us to side with vengeful prostitutes and greedy hired guns. it was a great performance from clint.

if he convinced you he was tamed, pd, then he did a great job, because that's what the role was supposed to do: make you forgive a psychopath until his nature is fully revealed. if we hadn't believed him, the ending would have been meaningless.

[Ichirou]

he wasn't tamed. he knew what he was getting into, and he wanted to do it, despite his pleas to the audience. he was a bad, merciless man, and we only liked him because the movie taught us to side with vengeful prostitutes and greedy hired guns. it was a great performance from clint.

Exactly.  If they had reversed the roles, and Eastwood had been playing the sheriff and the story was told from his perspective, we'd be cheering for the sheriff and horrified when the drunk gunman massacres everyone in the saloon.

There's a reason the movie's so acclaimed, PD.  It deconstructs the western and plays with all its genre elements.  I love Leone's movies more, but Unforgiven is the deeper film.

[Flannel Boy]

OH MY GOD
HOLY FUCK
NONONONO
ABORTABORT

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not impressed at all by this opinionated take on such a mediocre film

[Van Cruncheon]

the movie gives us some nicely placed sympathetic moments for little bill, too: his clumsy carpentry, his friendships, and his moments of weird pathos for the bloodthirsty whores despite how their feud was destroying the peace. he could easily have been a hero in a tough place in a different western.

[Ichirou]

I'm not impressed at all by this opinionated take on such a mediocre film

What movies would you qualify as masterpieces, O Man of No Taste?

[Van Cruncheon]

I'm not impressed at all by this opinionated take on such a mediocre film

maybe something simpler would be more to your tastes: the quick and the dead, maybe?

[Ichirou]

I'm not impressed at all by this opinionated take on such a mediocre film

maybe something simpler would be more to your tastes: the quick and the dead, maybe?

That's actually a pretty fun film.  I'd like it more if Sharon Stone weren't in it.

[Flannel Boy]

I didn't like Citizen Kane. He wasn't evil enough. Now maybe if Darth Vader was the bad guy...

[Van Cruncheon]

oh, i liked it too -- i didn't even mind sharon stone, although she was too "pretty" for the role. the gal who played calamity jane in deadwood woulda been perfect. (that was one of the few convincing "female badass" roles i've seen not portrayed by sigourney weaver.) it's probably my favorite sam raimi film, for sure, but there's no denying that it's about as deep as phoenixdark's cinematic credentials.

[Ichirou]

I didn't like Citizen Kane. He wasn't evil enough. Now maybe if Darth Vader was the bad guy...

I didn't like Casablanca.  Why didn't Humphrey Bogart end up with Ingrid Bergman?  So lame.  Also, they should have killed more Nazis in an awesome action-packed shootout at the end.

[The Fake Shemp]

LETS NOT SAY THINGS WE CANT TAKE BACK

[Flannel Boy]

I didn't like Citizen Kane. He wasn't evil enough. Now maybe if Darth Vader was the bad guy...

I didn't like Casablanca.  Why didn't Humphrey Bogart end up with Ingrid Bergman?  So lame.  Also, they should have killed more Nazis in an awesome action-packed shootout at the end.

The Nazisd should have been aliens. And Bergman's role should of been played by a latina with a large ass.

[Van Cruncheon]

i hated fried green tomatoes. why couldn't we see more of kathy bates' tits?

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[Flannel Boy]

i hated fried green tomatoes. why couldn't we see more of kathy bates' tits?

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[Ichirou]

I didn't like Citizen Kane. He wasn't evil enough. Now maybe if Darth Vader was the bad guy...

I didn't like Casablanca.  Why didn't Humphrey Bogart end up with Ingrid Bergman?  So lame.  Also, they should have killed more Nazis in an awesome action-packed shootout at the end.

The Nazisd should have been aliens. And Bergman's role should of been played by a latina with a large ass.

Remake of Casablanca with Will Smith, Hugo Weaving (alien Nazi) and Salma Hayek in 2008 CONFIRMED.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not impressed at all by this opinionated take on such a mediocre film

What movies would you qualify as masterpieces, O Man of No Taste?

Why, so you can "critique" them? Go ahead and troll them; considering I'm trolling this thread I won't get upset if you do (this applies more to Drinky than you of course)

Masterpieces in terms of being movies I'd give a 10/10? Well my favorite movie is To Kill a Mockingbird. Also, Imitation of Life is my second or third favorite movie. Personally I feel both are perfect, and far from run of the mill movies. Especially Imitation of Life because it touches on so many social issues that are still being debated over today.

Then there are movies that are perfect in other ways. For instance, I think Raiders is masterfully paced. I wouldn't call it a "perfect" movie, but with respect to its pacing (among other things) it's a masterpiece. Another example: from a technical perspective I find a movie like Goodfellas to be masterful. Recently Children of Men really impressed me in this regard, for the cinematography. But of course I wouldn't consider either movie to be "pefect" in full

[Ichirou]

News: Phoenix Dark doesn't "get" Unforgiven - let's all LOL at him!

 

[TVC15]

Jesus, I have read PD's shitty reviews before, but this is the worst.  He didn't even understand the movie.

[Ichirou]

Jesus, I have read PD's shitty reviews before, but this is the worst.  He didn't even understand the movie.

Yeah, it's one of the worst things I've ever read.  Never have I seen someone miss every single thematic undertone in a film...

[Madrun Badrun]

I didn't like Citizen Kane. He wasn't evil enough. Now maybe if Darth Vader was the bad guy...

Citizen Kane is my favorite movie ever. 

[Himu]

Can someone explain Singin' In The Rain? I don't get it.

[Flannel Boy]

I didn't like Citizen Kane. He wasn't evil enough. Now maybe if Darth Vader was the bad guy...

Citizen Kane is my favorite movie ever. 

It would have been better if Kane had a shrimp boat or fought in a war or shook hands with Woodrow Wilson.

[Himu]

I must have drank 12 Dr Peppers.

[Flannel Boy]

Can someone explain Singin' In The Rain? I don't get it.

The rain represents bitter Sega fanboy tears. The singing represents fanboy spin in the face of a downpour from Sony.

yes, the rain can be two things

[Himu]

Is Shenmue in there?

[Van Cruncheon]

Jesus, I have read PD's shitty reviews before, but this is the worst.  He didn't even understand the movie.

Yeah, it's one of the worst things I've ever read.  Never have I seen someone miss every single thematic undertone in a film...

to his "credit", he'd probably already selected unforgiven as his "bash movie" long before he actually sat down and watched it. he's kinda predictable like that. trouble is, this time, he really picked the wrong movie.

[Ichirou]

Jesus, I have read PD's shitty reviews before, but this is the worst.  He didn't even understand the movie.

Yeah, it's one of the worst things I've ever read.  Never have I seen someone miss every single thematic undertone in a film...

to his "credit", he'd probably already selected unforgiven as his "bash movie" long before he actually sat down and watched it. he's kinda predictable like that. trouble is, this time, he really picked the wrong movie.

Why would he pick a movie to bash before watching it, though?  I don't see the point, unless he's just trying to distinguish himself by going against the grain somehow.

[Phoenix Dark]

Jesus, I have read PD's shitty reviews before, but this is the worst.  He didn't even understand the movie.

Yeah, it's one of the worst things I've ever read.  Never have I seen someone miss every single thematic undertone in a film...

to his "credit", he'd probably already selected unforgiven as his "bash movie" long before he actually sat down and watched it. he's kinda predictable like that. trouble is, this time, he really picked the wrong movie.

Oh please. Why would I bash a movie I was quite excited to watch? Before watching it I expressed that I was looking forward to seeing it. I watched The Prestige first before I thought it would be the worse movie out of the three I rented; I was dead wrong about the Prestige, as I really loved it. I loved Children of Men as well.

[Van Cruncheon]

he's pd. he enjoyes playing the contrarian. he probably picked unforgiven because he could play it against the leone movies and possibly get folks on his side, unaware that leone fans usually like unforgiven. i don't know. he's a contrived internet personality first and a legitimate cinemaphile as a distant second. who knows!

[Phoenix Dark]

Nice spin

I've always liked Eastwood. Ask Cheebs: I remember talking to him about Unforgiven some time ago, and even thought about buying it

[BlueTsunami]

i hated fried green tomatoes. why couldn't we see more of kathy bates' tits?

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Oh man. I forgot who Cathy Bates was and Google imaged her name. The first image is the money shit

[Van Cruncheon]

the fact that you missed most of the major themes of the movie -- themes that are quite unambiguous and well-framed, much like the prestige -- lends a little more credence to the idea that you were predisposed toward bashing the movie.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, this reeks of pre-planned Internet persona hijinks.  Wrong movie to do it with, though.

[Himu]

I hope he doesn't bash 2001 any time soon.

[Van Cruncheon]

himu, as evilbore's resident gay black man, does hating unforgiven sound like something a brother would do?

[Human Snorenado]

Yeah, this reeks of pre-planned Internet persona hijinks.  Wrong movie to do it with, though.

I just thought of the right movie!