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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2007, 05:56:53 PM »
I'm grasping when you're now posting poster's replies instead of actual organizations? :lol
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2007, 06:04:34 PM »
I'm grasping when you're now posting poster's replies instead of actual organizations? :lol

Actual organizations? You mean like the HSLDA, or the HFL?
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« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2007, 06:09:51 PM »
You mean HSLDA, founded by your buddy Michael Farris, who you claimed a page ago is trying to infiltrate the power structure of America with conservative Christian fundies in an effort to helm the ship that is the UNITED STATES?
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« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2007, 06:11:28 PM »
You mean HSLDA, founded by your buddy Michael Farris, who you claimed a page ago is trying to infiltrate the power structure of America with conservative Christian fundies in an effort to helm the ship that is the UNITED STATES?

With the Joshua Project, yes. I'm sure you know these people are conservatives for the most part.

http://www.hslda.org/Default.asp?bhcp=1
Good to know you use your Google well.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2007, 06:17:45 PM »
Unlike you, I don't need to rely on Google and Wikipedia due to my poor home school education.  Farris also runs Patrick Henry College, which as a D.C. metro area native, I know of all too well - its like a compound for you home schooled Jesus freaks, one that due to proximity to D.C., is becoming a conduit into the Bush administration.  I remember reading an article that Ashcroft's wife even works there.

So pardon me if I take the word of the National Education Association and psychologists world round over the organization founded by a Christian nut.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2007, 06:20:34 PM »
He has an agenda no doubt; I met him a few years ago and he was pretty damn serious, and seemed to enjoy being the smartest person in the room if you know what I mean.

But in terms of the HSLDA I have no qualms. They do a lot of good things for homeschooling in general, and they win a lot of cases. My stance has always been I couldn't stand homeschooling, but I'm not going to regurgitate the anti-homeschooling talking points because they simply aren't true.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2007, 06:21:24 PM »
Quote from: Dr. Malek
Centuries ago the average parent was illiterate and thus couldn't possibly do the job. However most literate parents of average intelligence (teachers as a whole are not especially intelligent) with the ability to give specialized attention, can do a decent job.

no offense, but lawyers are likewise cut from the same stock as teachers. they aren't especially bright, either; they simple have a different skillset. being a good, competent teacher is extraordinarily difficult -- what it lacks in the demand for strong memorization and structured thought it more than compensates for with a need for superior empathy, pedogogy, and social skills.

the standards for teachers are significantly lower since a) as a society, we do not offer incentives for teaching like we do for lawyerin'; b) we tend to have more experience with bad teachers since we encounter anywhere from 20-40 teachers overall in our lives, but maybe 1-3 lawyers; and c) teachers' unions and organizations lack the money to develop power and structure like the legal communities can. a good teacher can shape a person's academic future for the better like no-one else can, not even parents. teaching requires a master's degree, as well, and exposes the teaching student to a diversity of ideas and academic thought that they will not get as a parent.

it's ironic that the two folks praising parents and devaluing teachers are two academically embittered misfits who have never even attempted to parent a child. i hate to pull that card, but as a pretty academically inclined dude with an academically inclined wife, i can't imagine replacing public schooling with home schooling.
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« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2007, 06:23:28 PM »
but I'm not going to regurgitate the anti-homeschooling talking points because they simply aren't true.

no need to regurgitate what you aptly demonstrate!
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2007, 06:52:54 PM »

no offense, but lawyers are likewise cut from the same stock as teachers. they aren't especially bright, either; they simple have a different skillset.

Please Drinky.
The mean IQ for attorneys is 128 and many of the best students go into law. Meanwhile Education students have among the lowest GRE scores of any group of grad students
http://www.ncsu.edu/chass/philo/GRE%20Scores%20by%20Intended%20Graduate%20Major.htm


it's ironic that the two folks praising parents and devaluing teachers are two academically embittered misfits
What does that mean?


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« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2007, 07:18:33 PM »
IQ tests are bogus anyway.  I got accepted into MENSA.  FISSION MAILED IQ TESTS.
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« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2007, 07:22:43 PM »
IQ tests are bogus anyway.  I got accepted into MENSA.  FISSION MAILED IQ TESTS.
Name anything in psychology with the predictive power of IQ.

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2007, 07:25:54 PM »
The Unforgiven review is easily more accurate than the predictive power of commercial IQ tests!
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« Reply #72 on: April 19, 2007, 07:27:05 PM »
The Unforgiven review is easily more accurate than the predictive power of commercial IQ tests!
Well, you got me there.

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #73 on: April 19, 2007, 07:50:58 PM »
The Unforgiven review is easily more accurate than the predictive power of commercial IQ tests!

And with that this thread is done :lol
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #74 on: April 19, 2007, 08:32:53 PM »
Pat Robertson's United Christian States of America.
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« Reply #75 on: April 19, 2007, 09:10:42 PM »

no offense, but lawyers are likewise cut from the same stock as teachers. they aren't especially bright, either; they simple have a different skillset.

Please Drinky.
The mean IQ for attorneys is 128 and many of the best students go into law. Meanwhile Education students have among the lowest GRE scores of any group of grad students
http://www.ncsu.edu/chass/philo/GRE%20Scores%20by%20Intended%20Graduate%20Major.htm


it's ironic that the two folks praising parents and devaluing teachers are two academically embittered misfits
What does that mean?



iq doesn't test for empathy. it doesn't test for social awareness. it doesn't test for compassion and dedication. it doesn't test for practical metaphysics. it doesn't test for literary aptitude and creativity.

it tests for the ability to solve spacial and analytical problems and to memorize shit -- skills which are secondary among the best teachers.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2007, 09:15:42 PM »
What the fuck did PD do to this "hahaha pat robertson is a wacko" thread?  :-\

I think he's trying to defend all the lawyers who went to the shitty school but yet still got jobs with the Bush administration by making it a religious issue, but I'm not sure.

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« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2007, 09:23:59 PM »
What the fuck did PD do to this "hahaha pat robertson is a wacko" thread?  :-\

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2007, 10:45:26 PM »

no offense, but lawyers are likewise cut from the same stock as teachers. they aren't especially bright, either; they simple have a different skillset.

Please Drinky.
The mean IQ for attorneys is 128 and many of the best students go into law. Meanwhile Education students have among the lowest GRE scores of any group of grad students
http://www.ncsu.edu/chass/philo/GRE%20Scores%20by%20Intended%20Graduate%20Major.htm


it's ironic that the two folks praising parents and devaluing teachers are two academically embittered misfits
What does that mean?



iq doesn't test for empathy. it doesn't test for social awareness. it doesn't test for compassion and dedication. it doesn't test for practical metaphysics. it doesn't test for literary aptitude and creativity.

it tests for the ability to solve spacial and analytical problems and to memorize shit -- skills which are secondary among the best teachers.

Certainly, a high level of intelligence is far from sufficient, but I think it is necessary. And most teachers I've had were not very smart, nor were they especially compassionate or creative. Sure an ideal one might be, but I was talking about most actual teachers.

And no I don't support home-schooling. I just think most motivated parents, with the right teaching material, could teach one-to-one about as well as a teacher teaches a class of 30+ unruly kids. Especially if they have children who are self-directed learners.

Why couldn't we have bashed Pat Robertson or Bush in this thread.  :-\

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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #79 on: April 19, 2007, 11:19:47 PM »
Why couldn't we have bashed Pat Robertson or Bush in this thread.  :-\


Like always, PD acted as the catalyst. Pee Dee! :wag

Soooo...how bout that Pat Robertson! 10 years from now he's going to bring ruin upon this planet. Unless he dies before then.
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« Reply #80 on: April 20, 2007, 01:10:02 AM »
I swear Pee Dee is some sort of distinguished mentally-challenged robot, with simple programming.  SEE THREAD.  ENTER.  DERAIL.  ARGUE FUTILELY.  RINSE AND REPEAT.
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Re: Pat Robertson has a Law School? (Recycled from GAF)
« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2007, 01:12:15 AM »
Well I certainly don't remember anyone "owning" me in here.
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« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2007, 01:13:26 AM »
Well I certainly don't remember anyone "owning" me in here.

Willco did.  But then again, FACTS aren't your friend, right?
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« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2007, 01:16:00 AM »
First Willco claimed my point was irrelevent. When I disproved that, people made claims about homeschooling. When I disproved those Willco moved to a new argument, which I challenged (but didn't "disprove"). Finally he challenged my claim about organizations lol, and I backed it up. Finally Malek got in here and put a scholarly take on my argument about teachers.

So nah, no one got owned. Thanks for playing
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« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2007, 01:32:33 AM »
no, pd, you manufactured a whole bunch of strawmen, ignored willco's arguments, and continued to penetrate those scarecrows until you got hay in your urethra.
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« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2007, 01:35:17 AM »
no, pd, you manufactured a whole bunch of strawmen, ignored willco's arguments, and continued to penetrate those scarecrows until you got hay in your urethra.

[PeeDee]WILL YOU STOP IT WITH YOUR FACTS!!![/PeeDee]
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« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2007, 01:47:44 AM »
no, pd, you manufactured a whole bunch of strawmen, ignored willco's arguments, and continued to penetrate those scarecrows until you got hay in your urethra.

Strawmen...where
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