Author Topic: Spider-Man 2.1 (Read 3454 times)

Bloodwake · « **on:** April 21, 2007, 05:38:27 PM »

So, brandonh83 picked up the Spider-Man 2.1 DVD, and I think that I'm ready to join the Spider-Man 3 hype train now.

Seriously, the movie is much better than I remember, and the added content really helps with the film. There's a sporadic scene that doesn't really help the plot, but it's fucking hilarious...

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Jonah Jameson wearing the Spider suit Peter threw away LOLZ

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Honestly, the movie is much better than I remember, even though there's some spots with weak dialogue. What I don't remember really makes the film better. The action sequences with the added footage really makes them feel complete. The film is as good as Batman Begins with the added footage.

Pick that shit up!

TVC15 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:40:25 PM »

Fuck no. Spirder-Man 2 felt like it was motherfucking longer than the Godfather 2. The last thing it needs is additional footage.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #2 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:42:07 PM »

Yeah, I really want to pick it up.

I still think Spidey 3 is going to be a letdown. It won't be X-Men 3 bad, but it'll probably be the Return of the Jedi of this particular series. Y'know, the film that hyperactive manchildren (FlameOfCallandor) claim to be their favorite, as the climax will have its version of ROTJ's epic duel and space dogfight (Venom and four-way free for all). But it'll also be stuck with its version of Ewoks ("Emo Peter") and rushed storytelling in an effort to wrap up loose ends.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #3 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:43:12 PM »

wait till you see spiderman 3 TVC if you thought 2 was bad omg 3 is up there. Sony sucks though we had to sign agreements for the film. But my overall feeling is it sucks.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #4 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:43:40 PM »

How does one fuck up Spiderman? He's such an awesome character

I'm not excited for Spiderman 3...at all. I'm still going with my friend for our little ritual, but this time... $:-\$

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #5 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:43:56 PM »

Did you actually see it or are you lying to gain favor with TVC, who you've alienated this week? Remember, Comcat is watching - so don't lie.

TVC15 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:45:08 PM »

G, do you ever put your head under the artificial butter flavored grease spouts that the spray on popcorn and just hose it directly into your mouth?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #7 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:45:36 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2007, 05:43:40 PM

How does one fuck up Spiderman? He's such an awesome character

I don't think he'll mess up Spider-Man, but it is possible to make a bloated Spider-Man movie by cramming as much as you possibly can in two and a half hours of running time.

Again, I don't think it'll be bad. I'm preparing for mediocrity with moments of awesomeness, like Return of the Jedi. The early reviews seem to support that and those are the expectations I'm heading in with.

You might have the best idea, because I think the lower your expectations are, the better the film will be.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #8 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:48:49 PM »

We have everything for the movie ready. And it's getting screened fully come monday.

And no i dont like the taste of butter. Now if it was cinnamin sugar mmm yummy.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:49:23 PM »

Quote from: Willco on April 21, 2007, 05:45:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2007, 05:43:40 PM
How does one fuck up Spiderman? He's such an awesome character

I don't think he'll mess up Spider-Man, but it is possible to make a bloated Spider-Man movie by cramming as much as you possibly can in two and a half hours of running time.

Again, I don't think it'll be bad. I'm preparing for mediocrity with moments of awesomeness, like Return of the Jedi. The early reviews seem to support that and those are the expectations I'm heading in with.

You might have the best idea, because I think the lower your expectations are, the better the film will be.

In a perfect world this would be the last Spiderman for awhile, then they'd just revive the character later in the future (like with Batman). Of course that's not happening. I would have liked to see a better main villian; hell just Venom would be awesome. Or if you replace Sandman with Mysterio.

Also I'd love to see Aunt May die in this movie; I know it won't happen, but that would give things some closure.

demi · « **Reply #10 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:50:21 PM »

Maybe the game will be decent. I never did play the other Spider-Man (movie) games.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #11 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:51:02 PM »

Uh, why would you want to see Mysterio over Sandman? That's ridiculous. Sandman was a pretty awesome choice, but I think they should've just stuck with him and ended Harry's arc. Adding Venom just seems like a last minute studio move, but they should've hinted towards him with Brock and let the next creative talent team start the next series of films with Venom.

Quote from: demi on April 21, 2007, 05:50:21 PM

Maybe the game will be decent. I never did play the other Spider-Man (movie) games.

They're almost always rentals. The last one came really close to be an awesome sandbox game, but it was way too repetitive. If they can make it sprawling, with more missions in a bigger sandbox - it'd be worth full price.

Vizzys · « **Reply #12 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:56:45 PM »

Next film deserves carnage.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2007, 05:58:00 PM »

I don't like Sandman at all. I've never been able to take him seriously. Mysterio could have been really cool, and given Raimi so much cool things to do. It would essentially be an excuse to go crazy with magic oriented special effects, and not just green screen stuff.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:00:43 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on April 21, 2007, 05:40:25 PM

Fuck no. Spirder-Man 2 felt like it was motherfucking longer than the Godfather 2. The last thing it needs is additional footage.

It's only eight minutes, and it doesn't make the movie feel any longer.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:01:49 PM »

Spiderman 2 didn't feel long to me, mainly because it's one awesome moment after another.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:01:53 PM »

You're completely in the minority on this one, Phoenix Dark. Mysterio has always been a joke and if you honestly prefer him to Sandman, then you don't really like Spider-Man. And if you think Mysterio wouldn't be CG effects, I laugh.

They should really stop the series, because it'll start running on fumes. Once Peter Parker got Mary Jane in the comics, nobody really cared about his personal life. He just started spewing one-liners while fighting the same villains... again and again.

That's why I laugh when comic book fans and film geeks complain that Burton and Raimi kill off too many villains. As if they should be allowed to return in future sequels. Nobody wants that. Film is a completely different medium and it's outright distinguished mentally-challenged to think a franchise will survive to a point where they will bring back villains (unless it's planned ahead of time, like Joker in the next two Batman installments). Even if they did, it would be just be more of the same, which is the problem with American comic books these days. Who can take these threats seriously if they'll just return and be defeated over and over?

The most interesting times in Spidey history has always been his high school and college years, because after that, the character has been stuck in a time warp to continue his villain-of-the-week shenanigans. There's no end game. And that's boring.

Vizzys · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:02:49 PM »

this thread needs more mysterio loves spiderman comics.

bud · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:03:48 PM »

Quote from: demi on April 21, 2007, 05:50:21 PM

Maybe the game will be decent. I never did play the other Spider-Man (movie) games.

the first one for the ps1 was pretty good imo.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:05:14 PM »

I think Bruce Campbell as Mysterio would have been pretty inspired, if only because a washed-up actor playing a washed-up effects artist would make the character even more of a joke. He's hardly worth the entire running time of a film.

Raimi likes classic villains and Sandman has always been one of the first and most dangerous of Spidey's rogue gallery. He said he'd never put Venom in as long as he had the reigns, which leads me to believe he bent over to studio pressure. If that's how it went down and I'm sure we'll find out some day, I will lose a ton of respect for the guy.

bluemax · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:07:43 PM »

Quote from: Willco on April 21, 2007, 06:01:53 PM

You're completely in the minority on this one, Phoenix Dark. Mysterio has always been a joke and if you honestly prefer him to Sandman, then you don't really like Spider-Man. And if you think Mysterio wouldn't be CG effects, I laugh.

They should really stop the series, because it'll start running on fumes. Once Peter Parker got Mary Jane in the comics, nobody really cared about his personal life. He just started spewing one-liners while fighting the same villains... again and again.

That's why I laugh when comic book fans and film geeks complain that Burton and Raimi kill off too many villains. As if they should be allowed to return in future sequels. Nobody wants that. Film is a completely different medium and it's outright distinguished mentally-challenged to think a franchise will survive to a point where they will bring back villains (unless it's planned ahead of time, like Joker in the next two Batman installments). Even if they did, it would be just be more of the same, which is the problem with American comic books these days. Who can take these threats seriously if they'll just return and be defeated over and over?

The most interesting times in Spidey history has always been his high school and college years, because after that, the character has been stuck in a time warp to continue his villain-of-the-week shenanigans. There's no end game. And that's boring.

So true. I started reading the Spiderman archives from issue 1 on a few years ago, and as soon as MJ even shows up the comics started declining. Probably because I knew he was gonna get her and it was inevitable that he'd go from hard luck Parker to pussy whipped Parker.

demi · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:09:41 PM »

Quote from: bud on April 21, 2007, 06:03:48 PM

Quote from: demi on April 21, 2007, 05:50:21 PM
Maybe the game will be decent. I never did play the other Spider-Man (movie) games.

the first one for the ps1 was pretty good imo.

Oh yeah fo sho, but I dunno if those were really movie games. I played Ultimate Spider-Man, didn't really like it. Spider-Man 3 should be like the PSX ones.

Vizzys · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:14:17 PM »

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:15:28 PM »

Quote from: bluemax on April 21, 2007, 06:07:43 PM

So true. I started reading the Spiderman archives from issue 1 on a few years ago, and as soon as MJ even shows up the comics started declining. Probably because I knew he was gonna get her and it was inevitable that he'd go from hard luck Parker to pussy whipped Parker.

That's the problem with comics in general. It's hard to take a character whose defining trait is battling his personal life with his crime fighting life, and drastically change him when he must stay in his 20s - 30s on account that he must sell comic books forever!

bud · « **Reply #24 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:24:28 PM »

Quote from: demi on April 21, 2007, 06:09:41 PM

Quote from: bud on April 21, 2007, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: demi on April 21, 2007, 05:50:21 PM
Maybe the game will be decent. I never did play the other Spider-Man (movie) games.

the first one for the ps1 was pretty good imo.

Oh yeah fo sho, but I dunno if those were really movie games. I played Ultimate Spider-Man, didn't really like it. Spider-Man 3 should be like the PSX ones.

yeah the ones on the ps1 weren't the movie games. i think the first movie games were on the ps2

Cheebs · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2007, 07:14:47 PM »

I picked it up, it improves the film and fleshes out some characters, overall the superior cut. It's no KoH type of situation however, which is obvious.

Ichirou · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:02:19 PM »

The Spider-Man movies both kick ass (dunno about the third). Don't obfuscate, White Man!

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:03:00 PM »

the spider-man movies were directed by a robot and edited by the robot's distinguished mentally-challenged programmer. at least the chris columbus potter movies were quickly paced, always had something visually interesting happening, and didn't pack in the lifetime-movie-of-the-week dialogue.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:04:11 PM »

If someone programmed the robot, why would he edit instead of direct? You're trolling is not only inaccurate, but illogical! I do appreciate you relatively fresh attempt to troll my love of Spidey, though.

TVC15 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:05:51 PM »

The second Spider-Man movie was the worst superhero movie I've seen. Note that I skip the worst of the crap. It narrowly beats Superman Returns and Fantastic Four as the worst. The movie feels really, really long and there are like 2 real big summer movie action sequences. Tobey sucks as Peter Parker. Or maybe I just don't like the movie version of Peter Parker. Kirsten Dunst can't act and is a hideous hog with a head the size and color of an overripe pumpkin. Doctor Octopus was literally the only cool thing in that movie. It was a disaster.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:06:37 PM »

the robot ran the camera and moved its cold mechanical arm to indicate blocking, and cut deals with its SGI brethren for its preferredly sterile visuals. the programmer then hacked out anything that might be of visual or narrative interest from the tedious sequence of footage when he realized that the robot didn't have the estrogen to make the movie he truly wanted, and the end result was the stan-lee-by-way-of-oprah celluloid crawl that is spider-man 2!

Ichirou · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:14:35 PM »

Spider-Man 2 is one of the best superhero movies ever made. The reason for this is that Raimi understands the character. Peter Parker was one of the first superheroes to have a really distinct, unique personality. Raimi makes us care for the character and his personal life, and how being a superhero affects it. I love the fact that, in the second one, Doctor Octopus is really a secondary threat, and most of Peter's worries relate to his relationships with his loved ones. It's the first superhero movie where I'm not looking at my watch every few minutes and wondering when he's gonna suit up and kick ass. I just like spending time with the hapless, luckless loser that is Peter Parker. This is why Spider-Man 2 is made of pure win.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:20:44 PM »

Spider-Man 2 does indeed rock - TVC 15 and Drinky are iconoclasts and Spidey is as close as a pop culture sacred cow as you can get nowadays, so it's ripe for the picking. If I took TVC seriously, then I'd have to watch Uwe Boll films sober and I like them.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:21:04 PM »

raimi made YOU care for peter's sad emo existence; i wanted him to shut the fuck up, kick the wibbling boything bitch to the curb, and get on with the fighting. i go to a superhero movie to see superheroics, not listen to tobey macguire's voice crack ad nauseum.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:23:01 PM »

hey! i had more fun watching house of the dead -- probably for the wrong reasons, but honest amusement is honest amusement -- then i did rolling my eyes through spider-man 2. in fact, i'll undoubtedly watch house of the dead again, but you'd hafta get all clockwork orange on my ass to make me sit through raimi's big budget romantic drama again.

TVC15 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:24:36 PM »

Ichirou, the reason the Spider-Man movies suck is because Raimi (or the writers, who knows) completely skip over spidey/peter's sense of humor and just turn him into this mopey Robert Smith-y dude that's completely milquetoast and boring. Yes, I know Peter is supposed to be your average Joe and all that, but that doesn't excuse them for just about draining his whole sense of humor. MY Spider-Man is QUIPPY not MOPEY.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:25:14 PM »

House of the Dead is like a film you watch with friends when alcohol is around and there's a big bowl of nachos in front of you. Again, if you're viewing it sober and over Spider-Man 2, I am going to call child services, because no child needs a parent like that!

TVC, your Spider-Man might be quippy, but he hasn't been that way for decades. He doles out one-liners to Grade B villains, but his life has been more about his personal struggles than comedy for a long, long time. Probably since Gwen Stacy's death. It's hard to say snappy one-liners when a villain is threatening to murder your family and friends. I don't think that'd translate so well to the big screen.

bud · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:26:10 PM »

street fighter>anything boll has done!

Ichirou · « **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:26:38 PM »

That's the thing, though, Peter Parker really ISN'T emo (at least in the first two movies). He's hapless and luckless but he's not off listening to Linkin Park and brooding. Obviously the movie worked for a lot of people, but it apparently didn't work for you, and I'm sorry for that. Doesn't stop Spidey 2 from being one of the very best superhero movies ever, though, and a perfect balancing act between the public superheroics of Spidey and the private life of Peter Parker.

TVC, Spidey DOES have a sense of humor, even though it's been muted in the films. There's that scene where he steals back his uniform and leaves a note for J. Jonah Jameson in the second, or when he webs Jameson's mouth in the first. The running time just doesn't allow for so many hijinks as the comics do.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:27:50 PM »

someone explain to me the difference between spider-man 2 and titanic, because i don't see it

bud · « **Reply #40 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:28:53 PM »

Quote from: Drinky Crow on April 21, 2007, 08:27:50 PM

someone explain to me the difference between spider-man 2 and titanic, because i don't see it

spider-man 2 lacks a hot chick

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #41 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:29:37 PM »

but they're both beloved by bitches

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #42 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:30:46 PM »

Quote from: Drinky Crow on April 21, 2007, 08:29:37 PM

but they're both beloved by bitches

That might very well be the comment to push Roger Ebert over the edge.

Ichirou · « **Reply #43 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:31:43 PM »

Man, I can't wait till Drinky's daughter is like twelve and wants to watch crap like The Notebook and Titanic over and over again. It'll drive him insane.

Cheebs · « **Reply #44 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:31:58 PM »

Quote from: Willco on April 21, 2007, 08:30:46 PM

Quote from: Drinky Crow on April 21, 2007, 08:29:37 PM
but they're both beloved by bitches

That might very well be the comment to push Roger Ebert over the edge.

He has been dead for over a year I bet, this guest host nonsense is a scam.

Ichirou · « **Reply #45 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:34:42 PM »

I've seen some fucked up teeth in my time. Kirsten Dunst's mouth looks gorgeous next to those.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #46 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:41:21 PM »

Quote from: Ichirou on April 21, 2007, 08:31:43 PM

Man, I can't wait till Drinky's daughter is like twelve and wants to watch crap like The Notebook and Titanic over and over again. It'll drive him insane.

i'm watching Cars for the umpteen millionth time right now. :'(

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:43:38 PM »

Cars was so bad I stopped watching it.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #48 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:44:48 PM »

eh, it's not so bad. bad is willy the sparrow from some christian publishing group.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #49 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:45:23 PM »

What the fuck is that?

Ichirou · « **Reply #50 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:48:00 PM »

Haven't seen it, but the trailers all made it look like Pixar's worst movie.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #51 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:48:20 PM »

it's animated hell. my religious mother-in-law sent us a bunch of dvds for sian to watch, and they're uniformly soul-scrapingly horrible.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #52 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:49:21 PM »

i like cars better than a bug's life. sadly, larry the cable guy does a great job as the va for the rusty tow truck dude. i may have deluded myself into thinking that, though.

Vizzys · « **Reply #53 on:** April 21, 2007, 09:32:01 PM »

make your kid watch good stuff like anime

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im joking

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TVC15 · « **Reply #54 on:** April 21, 2007, 09:35:54 PM »

The first JRPG Drinky should let his daughter play is the classic KNIGHTS OF XENTAR for the PC.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #55 on:** April 21, 2007, 09:44:50 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on April 21, 2007, 08:31:58 PM

He has been dead for over a year I bet, this guest host nonsense is a scam.

Are you lieing, the guy's actually dead?

Ichirou · « **Reply #56 on:** April 21, 2007, 09:45:25 PM »

In all seriousness, it wouldn't hurt if Drinky let his daughter watch stuff like Hayao Miyazaki movies. Unlike Disney princesses, the girls in Miyazaki's movies tend to be very strong-willed, intelligent characters. They're good children's movies.

TVC15 · « **Reply #57 on:** April 21, 2007, 09:46:21 PM »

Quote from: Ichirou on April 21, 2007, 09:45:25 PM

In all seriousness, it wouldn't hurt if Drinky let his daughter watch stuff like Hayao Miyazaki movies. Unlike Disney princesses, the girls in Miyazaki's movies tend to be very strong-willed, intelligent characters. They're good children's movies.

If he thinks she is really smart, he should just skip that wacky jappy crap and go straight for Miike.

Ichirou · « **Reply #58 on:** April 21, 2007, 09:47:59 PM »

Y'know, nobody knows wtf Miike is in Japan. I have a book titled 1,001 Movies You Must See Before You Die (birthday present from a friend), and a couple of my Japanese co-workers were looking at the Japanese movies included in it, and nobody knew what the fuck Audition was.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #59 on:** April 21, 2007, 09:50:05 PM »

my daughter likes the cat returns somewhat (she asks for it from time to time), and i think she's seen howl's moving castle. she just ASKS for finding nemo and cars ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME. no surprises here, though: she loves cats, fish, and cars more than anything else.

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Author Topic: Spider-Man 2.1 (Read 3454 times)