DAMNIT, Sam Raimi You Failed Me

[Cheebs]

It's not a great movie. I would not put it in my top 10 super hero films ever list or anything but its no batman forever, batman & robin, or fantastic four type of stuff. People treating it like its the worst super hero movie ever and such are absurd.

[The Fake Shemp]

It's pretty awful.  It's long and about nothing.  It's boring, some of the acting is crap, the storyline is all rehashed and cobbled together from the Reeves films.  And it has some of the biggest plot holes I've ever seen in a comic book film and that's saying something.  Its mere existence makes the world a worse place for our children to live in

[Phoenix Dark]

It's not a great movie. I would not put it in my top 10 super hero films ever list or anything but its no batman forever, batman & robin, or fantastic four type of stuff. People treating it like its the worst super hero movie ever and such are absurd.

I agree.

I haven't seen it since the first day at the theater. I'll have to rent it

[Cheebs]

Meh, it's still not great but it doesn't deserve to be kicked around like a fantastic four. I havent seen it since I saw it in imax, I got it in that big 16 disk superman set but have never watched it yet.

[TVC15]

Fantastic Four > Superman Returns.  At least Fantastic Four was interesting to watch while you were watching it.  Superman Returns, you knew you were in the grips of tedium while watching it.  I saw it for free, and I still feel ripped off.

[Van Cruncheon]

i enjoyed fantastic four quite a bit more despite its gross silliness and WB-grade acting. superman returns was turgid cinematographically and had one of the worst and most meandering superhero scripts (what the fuck was up with parker posey's character and the dog subplot??) i'd ever been subjected to. it wasted the talents of kevin spacey and parker posey, and is right down there with batman and robin.

[The Fake Shemp]

For once, I side with TVC 15 - while banal and filmed as if it were made-for-TV, the Fantastic Four movie was better than Superman Returns.  At least I laughed at it a few times, which is more emotion than I ever shared with Superman Returns.

Where he came from, he should go back.

[TVC15]

Film after film, I am convinced that Kevin Spacey is actually not a great actor.  Parker Posey though <3  I kinda dug her part but I have a sort of thing for her.

But the whole Superman returning to earth thing. . .I understand it was a plot conceit, but they never even really explain why he left in the first place.  Fuck, we're not even sure when he left.  Some of the events of the second movie apparently happened, but not all of them.  So without knowing WHEN he left, it's impossible to understand WHY he left, and thus his whole "returning" just feels like a lame, unexplained plot device.  

And the Supie Stalker bit is absolutely embarassing.  Fuck, the whole Emo Superman thing is just so wrong that I doubt the writers really had much experience with the comics or previous movies.

And the return to Smallville is totally pointless.  Yes, we get a little emotional moment with Supes and his mom, but it did absolutely nothing to serve the movie's plot.  When a movie is as long as SR, fat needs to be trimmed, and that Smallville sequence was totally, totally fat.

EDIT:  Yeah, the airplane sequence is cool.  The only good part of the movie, really.

[Van Cruncheon]

eh, i thought spacey was good in the usual suspects and american beauty. hell, i even thought he was good in matchstick men, a movie i hated. i know you hate american beauty because it was a by-the-numbers and largely neutered oscar social critique film -- and i don't disagree -- but i thought it had really good performances all around.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, that sequence is good, but the film is like a billion hours long and with no dialogue.

Lex Luthor's plot was distinguished mentally-challenged.  How can he be an evil criminal mastermind whose genius talents are so amazing and come up with a piece of shit idea like that?

I KNOW I WILL CHURN TEH EARF INTO A RADIOACTIVE ROCK EVERYONE WILL WANT TO MUV HERE DUR

[TVC15]

eh, i thought spacey was good in the usual suspects and american beauty. i know you hate american beauty because it was a by-the-numbers and largely neutered oscar social critique film -- and i don't disagree -- but i thought it had really good performances all around.

He nailed the Usual Suspects, Seven, Swimming with Sharks, Glengarry Glen Ross. . .but everything post TUS has been bad.

[Solo]

I always liked the Spidey 1 WTC teaser, it was pretty darn cool. Damn you, 9/11! But nothing touches Spidey 2's. I guess the better movies get the better trailers, or something.

For the record, I enjoyed FF on a "its been a long day, Im tired, I wanna watch some dumb superheroe action/Alba's superanus" level myself. Its by no means the worst superhero movie, not by a long shot.

[Van Cruncheon]

oooh, forgot about GGGR. he rocked that, but he always rocks when he portrays a wibbling, spineless schleb with a dark side. he's been picking a lot of "misunderstood man of the family" parts, which almost never challenge any actor and are usually part of some godawful disposable  heartwarming seasonal flick.

oh, he was awesome in a fish called wanda, of course, even if that movie is overquoted by chunky college freshman girls.

[Cheebs]

I always liked the Spidey 1 WTC teaser, it was pretty darn cool. Damn you, 9/11! But nothing touches Spidey 2's. I guess the better movies get the better trailers, or something.

For the record, I enjoyed FF on a "its been a long day, Im tired, I wanna watch some dumb superheroe action/Alba's superanus" level myself. Its by no means the worst superhero movie, not by a long shot.

Well duh. It's better than Batman & Robin, Daredevil, Ghost Rider...etc by default

[The Fake Shemp]

Superman hanging out Lois' home and trying to break up her pseudo-marriage was fucking creepy and sick.  I hope Richard White kicks his ass in a sequel with a kryptonite pimp ring.

Ghost Rider is on the same level as Fantastic Four, Cheebs.  Easily better than Daredevil and Batman & Robin.

[Cheebs]

lol I havent seen it, I am just assuming.

It still boggles the mind how well ghost rider did box office wise. F4 has a 20 min extended verision dvd out in June, I am curious if its any good.

[Solo]

Did Raimi actually shoot the WTC trailer? Its TOTALLY different in style and tone to the actually S-M movies.

[Cheebs]

PD movie stuff makes me wish Shake was back.

Shake is convinced that Grindhouse is not a disappointment to the Weinstein's and that if RR wants to do a sequel that it will easily be greenlit.

[TVC15]

PD movie stuff makes me wish Shake was back.

Shake is convinced that Grindhouse is not a disappointment to the Weinstein's and that if RR wants to do a sequel that it will easily be greenlit.

Holy shit, it cost ~70 million and only made 23?  That's a BIG BIG BOMBA.  I'm sure it will do gangbusters on DVD, but even if it does, I highly doubt they'll make their budget back.

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, Grindhouse est bomba. Too bad; Deathproof sounded like the first decent Tarantino movie since Jackie Brown.

[Solo]

Grindhouse will never see a sequel. And as much as I loved the shit out of it, there shouldnt be a sequel. Let QT work on standalone shit, and let RR keep making movies for $100 in 5 days. That way QT gets sole billing, and I can ignore RR's work outside Sin City 2/3.

[Cheebs]

Grindhouse also had the biggest ad budget of any weinstein film in the companys short history. In total it easily probably cost 100 million.

[Solo]

I just want DP on DVD, then as far as Im concerned, QT and RR can get on with their lives.

[Cheebs]

I will buy DP and not buy Planet Terror