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i never see alexander payne get appreciation around here, so i thought i'd make a thread celebrating his three best pictures: election, about schmidt, and sideways. payne is sort of a lynch-lite -- he clearly loves the study of broken personalities, but payne usually leaves the gore, the twisted narrative, and hot hot lesbianism out, preferring the tragedy of suburbia as a backdrop. as an overall director, he has a great skill in making the utterly depressing somehow interesting and uplifting, and manages to coax some spark of fundamental humanity from what should be utterly unlikable characters. he's absolutely superb at choosing leads and directing actors, which makes up for some mundane cinematography, and he picks scripts that play to his strengths. on the other hand, he's supposedly a pretty self-indulgent prick on the set, but that's a claim leveled against a lot of directors.

sideways is probably my favorite, despite it being the critically "popular" choice. paul giamatti and thomas haden church are fucking brilliant in it, and paul giamatti's anagnorisis with his ex-wife at the end of the film is one of the best performances by an actor i've seen. paul giamatti is so criminally fucking underrated in general, and if you so-called film buffs haven't seen american splendor i hope you die in a fucking fire. sure, the grape-to-wine metaphor is little heavy-handed -- although i'm sure phoenix dark would miss it -- but the moments of dark comedy perfectly punctuate the ambling misery that is miles' existence. i've never seen a scene so humanly pathetic as the 40-something miles kissing his mom's ass just so he can steal money from her chest-of-drawers at the start of the film.

about schmidt is also a great, great character piece, with probably my favorite (and possibly the most revealing) nicholson performance. nicholson plays an aging dude who has lived an utterly unexamined life until finally, at 70, he "wakes up" and wonders why everyone is estranged from him. again with the powerful ending, as jack can only connect with an african child he has never seen or met but has only fictionalized in his head based on letters from the charity to which he sends money. moments of understated dark comedy pervade his little road trip to his daughter's wedding, and his attempts to connect with his grossly neglected wife meet with disaster. i think this has some of his best actual cinematography -- the shots of americana feel more raw and natural than sideways' travel brochure shots of san ynez valley, although in retrospect you might argue that those shots are intentional. in fact, now that i think about it, there was a fade from a brochure to the actual location in one scene. eh.

election is probably the best indictment of public high school life i've seen, minus some of welcome to the dollhouse. again, payne managed to get a really good performance out of the rather overrated reese witherspoon and the heavily typecast matthew broderick, who plays the anti-bueller -- a scuzzy teacher who can't let his personal agendas go. witherspoon probably has payne to thank for hollywood taking her seriously.

anyway, i never see payne get props on the "best director" lists around this shithole, and i thought i'd pimp him a bit. he's mainstream and accessible, although he makes films for irritable older folks rather than lightsaber junkies. PROPS.

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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2007, 01:16:02 PM »
I miss the 90's Reese Whitherspoon, the chick who was in Freeway, American Psycho, Election.  Then she became Julia Roberts 2.0 and we've all been made to suffer.
I join you in your appreciation.  Payne rocks, how many other guys have the stones to make a comedy about abortion?  Just him.  He also deserves credit for rescuing the careers of Virginia Madsen and Thomas Haden Church.

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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2007, 01:17:16 PM »
LOKI LOOK OUT lol ;)
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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2007, 01:19:43 PM »
What I adore about Election is that Tracy Flick IS the kind of person you'd want in office. She's tough, she's certain and she's capable. The wimpy fellow is, more or less, the failure of 60's liberal politics. He has warm, fuzzy ideas that amount to a lot of nothing. Matthew Broderick is the everyman, being crushed beneath the wheels of stark reality.

It's position as a kind of anti-Fairy tale is wonderful. Also, sometimes I watch Legally Blonde and tell myself it's Election 2.
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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2007, 01:22:12 PM »
sideways was pretty good.
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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2007, 01:44:11 PM »
Sideways was just bad and election wasn't good. 

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2007, 02:40:30 PM »
I love Alexander Payne. Hell, I love anything related to Omaha, my newly adopted home away from home.
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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2007, 02:41:43 PM »
too many words and I'm tired/hot.  but I still love you  :-*
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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2007, 02:51:45 PM »
Sideways was just bad and election wasn't good. 

Watch it, you're fast approaching Pee Dee "I don't know shit about shit" territory with that sort of talk.

Sideways is one of my favorite movies of all time, ever.  The fact that Giamatti wasn't even NOMINATED for an Oscar for Miles is a fucking travesty of the highest order, and when he wins a Pity Oscar for an inferior role I will still be enraged.  But of course the Academy wanted to slob on Jamie Foxx's knob for his Ray Charles impersonation.  Don't get me wrong, he was good in the movie but you'll never convince me that someone doing an impersonation is doing a better job of acting than someone who creates an incredibly memorable character from scratch.  Probably a topic that deserves it's own thread, really.

But yeah, Alexander Payne is the shiznat.  I would liken him more to perhaps a non-pretentious Paul Thomas Anderson instead of Lynch, however.  I've yet to see a movie of his that I didn't enjoy, and he got a good performance out of Matthew Broderick.  I mean, fucking Ferris Bueller.  If you can do that, you gots chops.
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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2007, 03:44:45 PM »
Sideways was fucking glorious.

Holy fuck, people said the movie was boring, but I was thoroughly entertained the whole way through.  It was really incredible.  I love when he tells him that he thinks he's in love with the asian girl :rofl :rofl

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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2007, 03:58:55 PM »
Sideways is one of my faves, too. It isn't even a remotely boring movie, since it's simply packed with well-delivered pathos, snappy dialogue, and understated moments of comedy at just the right times to relieve the turgid existences of the characters we're following around.

And yeah, Giamatti should have got the Oscar. I appreciate that the Academy is trying to reward black performances, but couldn't they have waited for either a truly brilliant black performance or a "Brokeback" year that didn't have such a powerful portrayal? There isn't a character I haven't simultaneously loathed and liked as much as Miles; he's just a dude who made many stupid decisions en route to age forty, and simply can't give up being an self-absorbed morose jerk-off who, at the end of day, is still loyal to a friend who may not deserve it and to an ex-wife he grossly disappointed. Giamatti's performance elicited that all-to-rare reaction of "wow, this is a real human being worthy of both contempt and respect" that you so very rarely see in cinema.

edit: actually, the Brokeback year had PS Hoffman as Capote, which was a great turn. THere's been some bad years, though; who was up for Best Actor/Actress in the Denzel/Halle year?
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 04:01:42 PM »
Miles is an incredible character.  You're thinking to yourself "What a jackass... what an awesome jackass..."  He's a guy in the position no guy wants to be in in 20 years, but he's acting the way all of us would want to if we had no conscience and were in that situation.

I love him. 

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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2007, 04:13:18 PM »
jesus, IMDB says he wrote the screenplay for Jurassic Park III, although his filmography as a director is largely impeccable. I'd forgotten that he directed Citizen Ruth! IMDB recommends fans of his films watch John Waters and Todd Solondz, which isn't too far from the truth. If Payne's a chill Lynch or a grounded P.T. Anderson, he's also a Solondz with vague optimism.
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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2007, 04:29:30 PM »
His first student short is available in Issue 3 of Wholphin.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2007, 06:30:57 PM »
Did not like Election.  It felt really, really self-satisfied, as if the writer/director created a bunch of ridiculous or contemptible characters so he could get a feeling of superiority by looking down on them.

Haven't seen any of the other stuff.  I think Sideways is in the perpetual stasis part of my Netflix list, where it never gets any higher than 10 because I always move things straight to the top when I add them.

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2007, 06:34:14 PM »
I dont know why I still havent seen sideways...just never seem to wanna even tho I have no real opinion towards it..OH YEAH ITS GOT THE GUY FROM WINGS.

Regardless of his acting skills I have trouble watching him do stuff since suffering Ned and Stacey
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Re: I AM NOT DRINKING FUCKING MERLOT: alexander payne appreciation thread
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2007, 06:37:54 PM »
I've only seen About Schimdt out of these three...I bawled my eyes out at the end.  :-\
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2007, 06:39:31 PM »
I've only seen About Schimdt out of these three...I bawled my eyes out at the end.  :-\
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2007, 11:41:12 PM »
Paul Giamatti was fucking ROBBED of an Academy Award. That is all.

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2007, 10:41:09 AM »
I don't know mandark I went to school with people close to what was portayed in Election.  One women sued the school because her overachiever/prick son wasn't being awarded the valedvictorian while a chinese kid (with a higher gpa) was.  Her reasoning?  The chinese kid padded his GPA with too many math classes, while her sons was more balanced 9whatever the fuck that means).

Yeah, Election did nail some of the nuttier/more annoying high school archetypes (I liked the line about the teacher who "just didn't want to leave high school" or something like that).  The characters were definitely a lot more recognizable than the jock/geek/pretty girl John Hughes types.

I guess I just want a bit more empathy in these things.  Or more funny.  I felt about the same watching Election as I did watching American Beauty, where the main difference was AB had a couple obvious protagonists who the audience was meant to respect because they had Seen Through The Bullshit.