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« on: May 03, 2007, 12:05:50 AM »
Has anyone heard about the fuckup in Hollywood? I'm surprised there isn't a thread.

Fucking Live Free or Die Hard is possibly going to be PG-13.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32511

I haven't seen the Vanity Fair yet, but what the jesus fuck are these fuckers at 20th Century Fox thinking?

Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to watch the original before I hit the hay tonight.
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Re: LIVE FREE OR CRY HARD
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2007, 12:07:17 AM »
NO SALE >:(

Instead I'm gonna buy the first movie
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2007, 12:08:05 AM »
Yippee-ki-yay, you jerk!

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2007, 12:08:34 AM »
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2007, 12:10:01 AM »
Okay, I admit it.

Bruce Willis got me hyped. Every time I read anything about it, he was pimping the fuck out of the movie, comparing it to the original. Now I know that actors are full of shit, but still, Bruce Wills says something is badass, I sort of have to listen.

Well, guess he was wrong, thanks to 20th Fuckup Fox.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2007, 12:11:37 AM »
omg my will to live is fading
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2007, 12:11:41 AM »
I already changed my avatar over at GAF. I'll change it here too.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2007, 12:12:34 AM »
Is this a case of the filmmakers making a kick ass R rated action flick, but then the studio stepped in and forced reshoots meant to tone it down to a PG-13 rating? Or, did they set out to make a PG-13 movie from the get go?
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Re: LIVE FREE OR CRY HARD
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2007, 12:13:48 AM »
a better thread title would have been.

Yipiee Kay Yay (garbled voice) 'my friend'!
Is this a case of the filmmakers making a kick ass R rated action flick, but then the studio stepped in and forced reshoots meant to tone it down to a PG-13 rating? Or, did they set out to make a PG-13 movie from the get go?
Its almost certainly being edited down.

IF its happening, which we don't know that it is.  We could all be jumping the gun here.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2007, 12:14:26 AM »
Is this a case of the filmmakers making a kick ass R rated action flick, but then the studio stepped and forced reshoots meant to tone it down to a PG-13 rating? Or, did they set out to make a PG-13 movie from the get go?

No, it was definitely meant to be R.

Bruce Willis was like FUCK YEAH IT'S GOING TO BE R YIPPE KAI YAY MOTHER FUCKERS

Tim Rothman is like "it will make more moneys as a PG-13 film"

A FUCKING DIE HARD MOVIE PG-13? ARE YOU FUCKING distinguished mentally-challenged?
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2007, 12:15:11 AM »
Is this a case of the filmmakers making a kick ass R rated action flick, but then the studio stepped in and forced reshoots meant to tone it down to a PG-13 rating? Or, did they set out to make a PG-13 movie from the get go?

Your first idea sounds logical. This summer is going to be a clusterfuck of blockbuster movies so it's not hard to see why a studio would want a PG-13 movie; they'll reach a larger audience. But despite...I'm not going anymore
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Re: LIVE FREE OR CRY HARD
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2007, 12:15:24 AM »
a better thread title would have been.

Yipiee Kay Yay (garbled voice) 'my friend'!

No, they will keep it in and use their one fuck on that, making it really fucking corny and shitting the phrase over for life.
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2007, 12:16:16 AM »
Someone needs to sic Galactus and a legion of Sentinels on Rothman's ass ASAP.
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2007, 12:17:49 AM »
Someone needs to sic Galactus and a legion of Sentinels on Rothman's ass ASAP.

You mean Galactus THE CLOUD, as seen in Fantastc 4 Part Duex?
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2007, 12:32:08 AM »
No, they will keep it in and use their one fuck on that, making it really fucking corny and shitting the phrase over for life.
you can't use the MF word in a PG-13 film.

and this is so not gonna happen.  It would be the most blatently stupid, self-defeating, shoot-yourself-in-the-foot thing a movie studio has done since possibly ever.  Fox made a shitload of cash on Borat, has 28 Weeks Later lined up, and just put out Pathfinder and Reno:911.  They've shown themselves to be not so hesitent about releasing R rated movies in the past, why start now on the highest profile shootin-and-cussin film series out there?

oh yeah, Die Hard With a Venegence was the highest grossing film (internationally) of 1995, what was that flick rated again?

A PG-13 Die Hard will not happen.
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2007, 12:35:44 AM »
It better fucking not.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2007, 12:42:43 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2007, 01:12:57 AM »
Someone needs to sic Galactus and a legion of Sentinels on Rothman's ass ASAP.

You mean Galactus THE CLOUD, as seen in Fantastc 4 Part Duex?

Way to kill the joke, girlie.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2007, 01:33:06 AM »
Let's see.

Fox fucked up X-Men.. all of those movies sucked.

They have a good chance of fucking up Fantastic Four, even thought the first film was surprisingly watchable and the second film has some pretty good trailers going for it.

Fox fucked over TWO franchises with one movie (Alien vs. Predator). They made it PG-13 and made it possibly the worst fucking thing of all time. It shat on the name of some of the greatest sci-fi films of the 80s.

And now, they are going to royally fuck up Die Hard by making the film PG-13. Hell, even the Mac guy and Kevin Smith didn't even bother me. I fucking love Kevin Smith, I think he's hilarious, and him being used in a Die Hard movie (sparingly) could turn out to be a good thing. But making it PG-13 would be like chopping the film's balls off. We might as well have Willis run around in a fucking dress singing Let Me Call You Sweetheart for two hours. Sure, it might not be that bad, but any film with the name Die Hard on it that isn't R might as well have this in it, because it's going to fucking suck anyways.

Hell, even outside of the movie industry they are fucking things up. Fox News is the worst news channel ever known to man and possibly the most hypocritical thing on television today. Hearing the fair and balanced motto makes me want to run to the bathroom and throw up shit every time I hear it on the news/radio.

What's next? Is Fox going to randomly decide to cancel 24 and House and replace them with full hour versions of Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader and even more episodes of American Idol?


P.S.: Yeah, I know. I've had a fucking shitty week.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2007, 01:53:46 AM »
Let's see.

Fox fucked up X-Men.. all of those movies sucked.

They have a good chance of fucking up Fantastic Four, even thought the first film was surprisingly watchable and the second film has some pretty good trailers going for it.

Fox fucked over TWO franchises with one movie (Alien vs. Predator). They made it PG-13 and made it possibly the worst fucking thing of all time. It shat on the name of some of the greatest sci-fi films of the 80s.

And now, they are going to royally fuck up Die Hard by making the film PG-13. Hell, even the Mac guy and Kevin Smith didn't even bother me. I fucking love Kevin Smith, I think he's hilarious, and him being used in a Die Hard movie (sparingly) could turn out to be a good thing. But making it PG-13 would be like chopping the film's balls off. We might as well have Willis run around in a fucking dress singing Let Me Call You Sweetheart for two hours. Sure, it might not be that bad, but any film with the name Die Hard on it that isn't R might as well have this in it, because it's going to fucking suck anyways.

Hell, even outside of the movie industry they are fucking things up. Fox News is the worst news channel ever known to man and possibly the most hypocritical thing on television today. Hearing the fair and balanced motto makes me want to run to the bathroom and throw up shit every time I hear it on the news/radio.

What's next? Is Fox going to randomly decide to cancel 24 and House and replace them with full hour versions of Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader and even more episodes of American Idol?


P.S.: Yeah, I know. I've had a fucking shitty week.


Holy shit you're on a roll tonight. Too bad FOX isn't :(
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2007, 01:58:51 AM »
The movie probably has a budget itemization a mile long and the director is a known habitual maker of shit.  Making it a PG-13 flick makes their potential box office bigger.  Die Hard isn't as proven a name as it was a decade ago, either.  Of course the studio is going to take steps to maximize profits.  You'll get an uncut DVD, so calm your hormones.
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2007, 02:00:28 AM »
The movie probably has a budget itemization a mile long and the director is a known habitual maker of shit.  Making it a PG-13 flick makes their potential box office bigger.  Die Hard isn't as proven a name as it was a decade ago, either.  Of course the studio is going to take steps to maximize profits.  You'll get an uncut DVD, so calm your hormones.

I said this earlier. From a studio's perspective yeah it makes perfect sense. I wonder if they would have made a different decision if the movie came out last year when the only competition was POTC2.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2007, 02:06:24 AM »
I honestly do not see how anybody could give two shits about this.  The only special thing about the old movies to me was that they were some of the first R-rated movies I've ever seen.  you fucks are embarassing.

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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2007, 02:07:23 AM »
I honestly do not see how anybody could give two shits about this.  The only special thing about the old movies to me was that they were some of the first R-rated movies I've ever seen.  you fucks are embarassing.

Die Hard pretty much defined the action movie for roughly the decade after its appearance.  it's a great, fun, flick.
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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2007, 02:10:14 AM »
well two decades after it came out I couldn't give a fuck.

I mean, go read a book.

I did that once, it was really fun.

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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2007, 02:12:15 AM »
well two decades after it came out I couldn't give a fuck.

I mean, go read a book.

I did that once, it was really fun.

Well, two decadesish after you were born, and you are still basically incoherent.

I mean, maybe you should read more books.
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2007, 02:18:01 AM »
Die Hard is one of the absolute best action movies I've ever seen. It's perfectly executed and paced. I'd put it right up there with Predator in the sense of it being a classic action movie.

The second reminds me of Temple of Doom in some ways. IMO Die Hard is the perfect action movie; there's a level of the badass-ery you need in an action movie, and there's also a great underlining of humor which keeps you entertained; this is mixed together with great characters. In short, it's the blueprint for a great action movie. Die Harder on the other hand seems like the blueprint for the over the top, dumbass action movie. I've said many times that Temple of Doom is basically the blueprint for modern over the top adventure movies (IE 2 hour chase n ride scenes).

With a Vengence is not nearly as good as the first movie, but it's a return to form nonetheless. It really goes a good job with the "buddy" action movie plot, which basically boils down to two guys who don't like each other getting into trouble, only to become great...buddies in the end. The action is tight, and even the over the top nature of some of the stunts are forgiven simply due to the chemistry between Willis and Jackson.

The trailers for 4.0 show as a few things. First off, it's clear there are going to be more over the top action sequences, more crazy stunts, and more insane "how did he do that?" moments. How else are they going to get the general public's attention away from POTC and Spider-Man? Second off, I think we can definitely say that the buddy aspect of this movie is going to be ugly. The Mac Guy is perhaps the most annoying asshat to grave the digital realm in ages. I hate him. The prospect of having to listen to him whine for two hours is NOT appealing to me. Why not have KEVIN SMITH in the buddy role and just let him improv all his lines lol? I would co-sign that decision
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« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2007, 02:19:12 AM »
Well, two decadesish after you were born, and you are still basically incoherent.
I mean, maybe you should read more books.
So it's incoherent to wonder why there's hype for a pg-13 movie that's the sequel to a now old star's action trilogy that ended nearly two decades ago and to say read a book?

Not Harry Potter, I mean a book.

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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2007, 02:21:24 AM »
Well, two decadesish after you were born, and you are still basically incoherent.
I mean, maybe you should read more books.
So it's incoherent to wonder why there's hype for a pg-13 movie that's the sequel to a now old star's action trilogy that ended nearly two decades ago and to say read a book?

Not Harry Potter, I mean a book.

You badmouthed the original, which is pretty much an unimpeachable movie.
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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2007, 02:26:20 AM »
You badmouthed the original, which is pretty much an unimpeachable movie.
I'm asking how is anybody hyped for this one?  it's been nearly two decades since the third movie.  this looks like the bastardization of the series.

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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2007, 02:29:16 AM »
You badmouthed the original, which is pretty much an unimpeachable movie.
I'm asking how is anybody hyped for this one?  it's been nearly two decades since the third movie.  this looks like the bastardization of the series.

You said that the only things special about the originals was that they were rated R.  If that's not an insult, I don't know what is.
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« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2007, 02:34:49 AM »
You said that the only things special about the originals was that they were rated R.  If that's not an insult, I don't know what is.
that was more because I always thought of it as a mindless action movie that people could watch if they were completely bored to tears and that people were getting pissy that he's not going to swear occasionally now.  "Rated-R" mindless made me go BIG WHOOP when I was 5.

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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2007, 02:39:34 AM »
Die Hard is far from "mindless". It's pretty damn great.
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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2007, 03:08:16 AM »
BAN THIS FILTH
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2007, 03:09:28 AM »
 :lol
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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2007, 03:14:00 AM »
bubububu pg-13.

the shit movie should R!

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« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2007, 03:15:04 AM »
Christ, at least PD can form coherent sentences.
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« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2007, 03:16:10 AM »
so he's coherent but he makes absolutely no sense?

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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2007, 03:18:59 AM »
Notice I didn't say coherent arguments.

But his opinions on the Die Hard series are pretty much spot-on.
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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2007, 03:21:47 AM »
Notice I didn't say coherent arguments.

But his opinions on the Die Hard series are pretty much spot-on.
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« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2007, 03:27:16 AM »
new movie is going to be an incredible piece of shit.  old ones have some special nostalgia to them.  this will ruin that and you'll never like the series again.

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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2007, 03:30:04 AM »
new movie is going to be an incredible piece of shit.  old ones have some special nostalgia to them.  this will ruin that and you'll never like the series again.

But you previously said:

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The only special thing about the old movies to me was that they were some of the first R-rated movies I've ever seen.  you fucks are embarassing.

So the old ones have special nostalgia. . .but only because they were rated R?  Dude, you are almost as distinguished mentally-challenged as PD.  I don't know if you can't speak english or what, but you are not making sense.
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« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2007, 03:32:01 AM »
Come on, am nintenho is more distinguished mentally-challenged than me
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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2007, 03:36:25 AM »
Yea, PD's opinions might be a bit *polarizing* but at least he can express them comprehensibly.
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« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2007, 03:38:50 AM »
I meant "special nostalgia" in a sarcastic way.

If you're the type of person who is in the mood to only digest a action film (I'm using sarcasm right now, don't think I'm saying anything deep, people don't fucking digest films) than die hard was a good choice to watch in theaters in the past.

The new one will be shit.

Read a book.  Something about bears and aids.  Those are interesting topics.

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« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2007, 03:45:16 AM »
I meant "special nostalgia" in a sarcastic way.

If you're the type of person who is in the mood to only digest a action film (I'm using sarcasm right now, don't think I'm saying anything deep, people don't fucking digest films) than die hard was a good choice to watch in theaters in the past.

The new one will be shit.

Read a book.  Something about bears and aids.  Those are interesting topics.

So according to your rules, there are two states:

1) Watch an action movie

2) Read a book

I have to admit that I find the idealism admirable on some lev. . .er, nevermind, you are a gas huffing distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
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« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2007, 04:20:08 AM »
I'm saying read a book rather than sit on your thumb in a theater watching Bruce Willis make millions in a shit PG-13 movie.

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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2007, 05:49:20 AM »
I'm not usually one to jump on a hate train, but dude, EVERYBODY loves Die Hard.  I know middle-aged chicks who think its the bees knees.  If you want to pick on some 80's relic that nobody needs to like anymore, there are far better targets.  And whats up with this?
it's been nearly two decades since the third movie.
since when does 12=20?  Or near twenty?

If Terminator 3 and Rocky VI can come out over a decade later and not suck, Die Hard deserves at least the benefit of the doubt.

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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2007, 08:22:13 AM »
You can use mother fucker in PG-13, just one however. We know 100% the line is in the film. PG-13 or not.

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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2007, 09:20:21 AM »
Is it confirmed to be PG-13? A toned down theatrical release of Die Hard is worse than the jews killing the son of god
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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2007, 09:29:59 AM »
You can use mother fucker in PG-13, just one however. We know 100% the line is in the film. PG-13 or not.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6274810&postcount=135
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FYI: You CANNOT say Mother F'ker in a PG-13 film. Sorry to rain on all your parades. That's why Predator VS Alien didn't have the line: "You're one ugly Mother ****er!!" They changed it to "Son of a bitch". "Yippee Kay yay, Son of a bitch!" I for one will be boycotting this.

Here's something I wrote about PG-13 films a while back:
http://www.gamedreamz.com/image/pg13.pdf

I hate PG-13!!!!

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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2007, 09:42:25 AM »
You can use mother fucker in PG-13, just one however. We know 100% the line is in the film. PG-13 or not.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6274810&postcount=135
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FYI: You CANNOT say Mother F'ker in a PG-13 film. Sorry to rain on all your parades. That's why Predator VS Alien didn't have the line: "You're one ugly Mother ****er!!" They changed it to "Son of a bitch". "Yippee Kay yay, Son of a bitch!" I for one will be boycotting this.

Here's something I wrote about PG-13 films a while back:
http://www.gamedreamz.com/image/pg13.pdf

I hate PG-13!!!!

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I know for the fact the line is in the movie, there is no way it will be cut out. I have heard fuck and fucker in PG-13 before and the line is so iconic the MPAA may have let it slide.

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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2007, 11:30:24 AM »
But not "motherfucker."  And have you seen the final cut of the film or something?  How the hell do you know for a fact that it's there?
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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2007, 11:39:38 AM »
Oh God, I hope this isn't true...  :'(
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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2007, 11:50:54 AM »
But not "motherfucker."  And have you seen the final cut of the film or something?  How the hell do you know for a fact that it's there?

exactly. Never heard motherfucker in a PG-13 film.
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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2007, 11:56:37 AM »
it was filmed I know that, I cant see that being cut out. Lets wait and see.

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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2007, 12:01:12 PM »
"I know for a fact"

What the fuck was that Cheebs?
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Re: LIVE FREE OR CRY HARD
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2007, 12:09:18 PM »
"I know for a fact"

What the fuck was that Cheebs?
That it was FILMED as "motherfucker". They filmed this line. I am willing to bet $1000 the line will be in the film.

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Re: LIVE FREE OR CRY HARD
« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2007, 12:17:47 PM »
"I know for a fact"

What the fuck was that Cheebs?
That it was FILMED as "motherfucker". They filmed this line. I am willing to bet $1000 the line will be in the film.

Dang, I wish I had $1000 to bet, because I would probably win.
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