Heroes Sucks-Age: Why does Hiro fucking yell all the fucking time?

[TVC15]

It's like he's a stock character from an anime or something. I am vaguely offended that our cultural stereotypes of Japanese people are being spoiled by cartoons.  give me the more informed, less racist Japanese portrayals of Japanese people from Gilligan's Island episodes any day.  At least they don't yell all the god damned time.  Fuck Heroes and its bad racist writers.

[Mupepe]

[TVC15]

Also, how did the Glasses Wearing Dude know what date his cheerleader adopted daughter would die?  As far as I know, there was no plot prompt that told him when she would die (especially since, well, no one else on the show knew when she would die, so there's no way anyone could have told him).  So he basically makes the painter do heroin because he knows something that writing-wise, he knows something that it's impossible to know?

The writing in this show sucks shit.  I can't believe so many people drool over it.

[Mupepe]

Himuro is a habitual masturbator of this show.  I'm not surprised though.  He has bad taste all around.

[Ichirou]

This show has Ali Larter in it, who is pretty fuckin' sexy.

[Himu]

Its true and everyone knows it. We like it despite all this. PS Ed your ass is mine!

[Ichirou]

Oh shit, Mupepe...

 :rapetime

Never has this emoticon seemed more appropriate.

[Himu]

At least I have good taste in men. 

[Ichirou]

At least I have good taste in men. 

My taste in men runs toward black men with giant penises that rest on their knees. 

[TVC15]

Another instance of the shitty writing:

Episode:  Homecoming

Micah is telling his dad about the Nikki/Jessica split personality for the first time, judging by his dad's responses.  If this is the case, what the fuck was the secret Micah told his dad several episodes ago that lead him to confront Nikki because he suddenly knew everything about her killing his crew and stealing the money? 

The show gets worse and worse.

[demi]

There's only 3 episodes left, by then you will have run out of stuff to WHINE about.

[TVC15]

There's only 3 episodes left, by then you will have run out of stuff to WHINE about.

I'm only on episode 9.  If they fuck up the Christopher Eccleston stuff, I will ditch it fast though.  PS Spaced rocks.

[demi]

u should msg me and we can talk spced

[TVC15]

u should msg me and we can talk spced

I only watched the first episode.  I will watch more when I go to bed.  Naked.

[demi]

Do you think Simon is hot bleached?

[TVC15]

Do you think Simon is hot bleached?

Yes, he is totally hot.  He was bleached in his Doctor Who episode, too.

[demi]

TOO BAD NICK IS HOTTER

WOOF

WOOF

WOOF

[Ichirou]

TOO BAD NICK IS HOTTER

WOOF

WOOF

WOOF

Nick is kind of like a bear, isn't he?  All he needs is to let his beard grow.

[TVC15]

Too bad he's not gay!

[demi]

Nick is kind of like a bear, isn't he?  All he needs is to let his beard grow.

WOOF

WOOF

[Ichirou]

I only recently became aware of what the term "bear" meant thanks to Demi, and I realized - my uncle is one.

[demi]

I only recently became aware of what the term "bear" meant thanks to Demi, and I realized - my uncle is one.

PM me a pic, please.

[Ichirou]

lol, no.  But I think he's pretty randy.  When I stayed over at his place one time, I found a huge stash of gay porno mags in the room I was staying in. 

[demi]

OMG, please send me a pic.

[Ichirou]

He's too old for you and he has a partner (who is also a bear, I guess).  They are in a motorcycle club and I've seen pictures of them around the house wearing leather outfits looking like the biker from the Village People. 

[demi]

Well lemme see him at least.

[TVC15]

Another plot hole in Homecoming:

How did Mohinder's dad manage to identify the Heroes when some of them hadn't even shown their powers at the time of his death?  Was he psychic?  For example, Hiro does not show any power before Mohinder's father is dead.

Similarly, Nathan is on the list, and he has kept his power a closely guarded secret.  Also, Niki had given no indication of her power to anyone but (presumably) Micah at the time of the death of Mohinder's father, so again, there was no way he could have known about it.  DL, I guess his power could presumably been discovered via prison guards or something.

I have found writing problems with every single episode of this show.  Was this POS written by first timers or something?  Did they not have proof readers?

[Ichirou]

I don't have any pictures here and I dunno if he's closeted at his workplace or whatever (though I don't think so), so I'm not gonna.

He's my uncle and I love him a lot.  I remember not being really surprised when I realized he was gay, and now thanks to demi I've realized that there's actually different classifications for gay people and he falls neatly into one of them.  

[max_cool]

I've seen 2 episodes of Heroes and I can say with out a doubt that I will not be watching it, if I have a choice, ever again. Just terrible predictable plot lines that rely on pathos far too much. It's almost like a sappy teen-drama one would see on the WB but not quite.

[brawndolicious]

He yells only when he's in a position that most people would be shot in or kicked out of a place for, most people would.

Cheerleader's dad knows because somebody tells him the words "claire cheerleader texas" or he connects the dots in Isaac's paintings.

Micah didn't realize that she had a split personality which made her a murderer.

Heroes are known based on the blood donations that they gave which  the Human Genome Project does use and he looks for who it would be passed onto based on certain characteristics.

[Saint Cornelius]

Try not to take the fun out of everything, jeez

[TVC15]

He yells only when he's in a position that most people would be shot in or kicked out of a place for, most people would.

No, he yells all the time.  He will yell at the end of a sentence whenever he gets excited.  Like he does every 10 seconds.  He is an anime stereotype and that is shockingly offensive.

Cheerleader's dad knows because somebody tells him the words "claire cheerleader texas" or he connects the dots in Isaac's paintings.

Again, he knew nothing that would give him any indication that she would die at the homecoming game.  The only painting that indicated that she would die precisely at the homecoming game is the one Nathan destroyed, and which only Nathan, Peter, and that, uh, other chick had seen.

Micah didn't realize that she had a split personality which made her a murderer.

If that's the case, then what did he tell his father that made him go so apeshit that he'd openly use his power?

Heroes are known based on the blood donations that they gave which  the Human Genome Project does use and he looks for who it would be passed onto based on certain characteristics.

I guess I haven't gotten to this yet.

There's also a huge inconsistency with fatalism in regards to time travel and seeing the future.  It seems the universe is fatalistic because Hiro cannot save charlie. . .she dies anyway, but Peter and the Glasses dude have no problem changing the future when it comes to the cheerleader.  You can't have it both ways.  The future is either changeable or fatalistic.

[lordmaji]

Hrmmm, They don't yell all the time?
 

[Saint Cornelius]

Lordmaji, TVC is prone to hyperbole.

[brawndolicious]

No, he yells all the time.  He will yell at the end of a sentence whenever he gets excited.  Like he does every 10 seconds.  He is an anime stereotype and that is shockingly offensive.

He yells to have fun.  He's a comic freak from a strict japanese father, it's really just to make fun of his idea of a hero.

Again, he knew nothing that would give him any indication that she would die at the homecoming game.  The only painting that indicated that she would die precisely at the homecoming game is the one Nathan destroyed, and which only Nathan, Peter, and that, uh, other chick had seen.

Maybe he makes Isaac do heroine just to see the future.  It seemed like he knew at the time that his daughter had some sort of powers.

If that's the case, then what did he tell his father that made him go so apeshit that he'd openly use his power?

That she split bodies open?  They don't know that it's another personality doing it.

There's also a huge inconsistency with fatalism in regards to time travel and seeing the future.  It seems the universe is fatalistic because Hiro cannot save charlie. . .she dies anyway, but Peter and the Glasses dude have no problem changing the future when it comes to the cheerleader.  You can't have it both ways.  The future is either changeable or fatalistic.

They don't save Charlie because she has a brain anuerysm and there's no point saving her (it's really not that useful of a power for sylar anyways and they have no way of killing him).

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There's also a huge inconsistency with fatalism in regards to time travel and seeing the future.  It seems the universe is fatalistic because Hiro cannot save charlie. . .she dies anyway, but Peter and the Glasses dude have no problem changing the future when it comes to the cheerleader.  You can't have it both ways.  The future is either changeable or fatalistic.

The future that Hiro experiences cannot be changed, but the future that gets painted can.  Hiro actually travels through time, whereas the painter merely has premonitions.   I'm not sure why that is so much of a stretch.

Sounds like you are looking to dislike the show though.  If you applied this level of scrutiny to Dr. Who I imagine it'd fall apart even faster.  Not to say that the writing is great or anything though.

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double post

[Mupepe]

i'll double post you

[TVC15]

There's also a huge inconsistency with fatalism in regards to time travel and seeing the future.  It seems the universe is fatalistic because Hiro cannot save charlie. . .she dies anyway, but Peter and the Glasses dude have no problem changing the future when it comes to the cheerleader.  You can't have it both ways.  The future is either changeable or fatalistic.

The future that Hiro experiences cannot be changed, but the future that gets painted can.  Hiro actually travels through time, whereas the painter merely has premonitions.   I'm not sure why that is so much of a stretch.

Sounds like you are looking to dislike the show though.  If you applied this level of scrutiny to Dr. Who I imagine it'd fall apart even faster.  Not to say that the writing is great or anything though.

Doctor Who isn't a dramatic serial.  I'll give a light-hearted show slack, especially when it's hardly doing anything seriously.  And I don't know whose posts you have been reading:  I criticize Doctor Who all the damned time.  Especially the past few episodes.

Also, the show does have its entertaining bits, but it's just embarrassing to see what you're expected to swallow to get to them.

[demi]

I uploaded that video, /msg me when you get a chance.

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I criticize Doctor Who all the damned time.  Especially the past few episodes.

I didn't say that you were not critical of Doctor Who, just that it wasn't the same sort of criticism.  Your Who complaints just have to do with characters, themes and the direction of certain plotlines, but it rarely seems to be put through this sort of scrutiny (where you look directly at the show's logic and plot holes).  I haven't kept up with watching the new Who though so I haven't been reading threads about it either.

[TVC15]

I criticize Doctor Who all the damned time.  Especially the past few episodes.

Not to say that you don't criticize Dr. Who for just having doubt themes and concepts, but it rarely seems to be put through this sort of scrutiny (where you look directly at the show's logic and plot holes).  I haven't kept up with watching the new Who though so I haven't been reading threads about it either.

Doctor Who's logic and plot holes are largely forgivable, because it's not a drama, nor a serial that relies on consistent writing.  For an episodic show, each episode is internally.  Being consistent with every episode of the series, with over 700 episodes, is impossible.  You can't really compare the writing in the two shows because they both have different goals.  Doctor Who aims to tell light-hearted, self-contained stories.  Heroes aims to tell a season-length narrative.  Doctor Who is (generally) consistent in hitting its goal, Heroes is not.

I'm sure every long running episodic scifi show, from Star Trek to TNG to Doctor Who to whatever, has plot holes when you compare individual eps.  The thing is, that's usually okay for shows like that.

[TVC15]

it is Doctor Who as well so gives a fuck about consistency.

Comnparing Doctor Who to Heroes is like comparing Night Court to Dynasty.

[TVC15]

It is also ludicous to say

Sounds like you are looking to dislike the show though. 

Which is complete bullshit.  I paid for the series on iTunes.  Do you think I'd spend 40 bucks on something I had already determined I wouldn't like?  Talk to Patel, he will confirm that I liked the first 3 establishing episodes, and that although I was noticing problems, I wasn't writing off the show yet.

It was only once I got to episode 6 that I truly soured on the show.  That was the breaking point.  The writing wasn't improving at all, and here on ep 11, it's still not.  Sorry Border, think what you'd like, but this show isn't just hastily and badly written, it is downright poor, and NBC or whomever should be ashamed that something with so mnay obvious writing problems is out on the market.  Actually, they're probably too busy laughing to the bank to be ashamed.

Yes, I was warned of the problems before I started, but everyone (except my beloved Patel) said things got better as it went along.

[Saint Cornelius]

Maybe you're not watching the same show that everyone else is?

[TVC15]

Maybe you're not watching the same show that everyone else is?

Unless iTunes is selling Heroes: The Extra Poorly Written Version, I doubt that.

[Saint Cornelius]

Well dude, I know that the masses are often asses.... but it seems like there's quite a few television watchers that would disagree.

I do think you're going over the damn thing with a fine tooth comb, looking for something to bitch about. Maybe to get the people who genuinely like the series to rethink themselves? I think that's kinda shitty, personally.

[TVC15]

Well dude, I know that the masses are often asses.... but it seems like there's quite a few television watchers that would disagree.

I do think you're going over the damn thing with a fine tooth comb, looking for something to bitch about. Maybe to get the people who genuinely like the series to rethink themselves? I think that's kinda shitty, personally.

I'm not going over it with a fine toothed comb.  I have only watched each episode once, and in some cases I have gone back a few episodes to watch some scenes to make sure that I was not imagining an issue.

And what's wrong with asking people to put a little thought into what they are watching?  If people did that, and voted with television ratings, maybe 24 wouldn't have turned into the piece of shit it has in its more recent seasons.  People shouldn't be settling for the lowest common denominator just because it manages to be coherent despite all of its problems.

[Saint Cornelius]

And what's wrong with asking people to put a little thought into what they are watching?  If people did that, and voted with television ratings, maybe 24 wouldn't have turned into the piece of shit it has in its more recent seasons.  People shouldn't be settling for the lowest common denominator just because it manages to be coherent despite all of its problems.

As an ex-24 watcher, that show has ALWAYS been shit. I kinda rode with it at first because it was new and I'm always following whatever Lou Diamond Phillips is into, but after 6 years of shitty, make-it-up-as-we-go-along plotting, I give up.

THAT's why I like Heroes. It's not perfect, sure - see all of your points - but you can tell that the writers have a PLAN. Unlike 24, unlike Lost.

It bristles me to think that you feel people like the show due to its appeal to the "lowest common denominator". Which is why I keep responding, instead of just rolling my eyes, shrugging and thinking "oh, White Man is just hating (h8ing) again"

[TVC15]

Lowest common denominator was a bit harsh.  I hear 24 is having a particularly bad season this year.

I enjoyed the first two seasons of 24.  It was pretty much the birth of the new area of serialized TV, so I am sure I looked over a lot of things.  It probably helps that I have not viewed the first two seasons since they originally aired.

[brawndolicious]

The show's ideas to sound weird at points but you get over that by around the second season when the story gets much better.  It seemed like the first season was all about setting the second season up.  The show starts to get much more deep with characters you didn't like getting killed and the whole New World Order thing getting set up.  The story starts to be less about the characters and more about the character's unreasonable responsibilities and how they change the more they know.

[TVC15]

Wow, it looks like am nintenho is a precog.

[Saint Cornelius]

Yeah, tell us more about Season 2, Tim am nintendho

[brawndolicious]

I was under the impression that it just finished the second season.

I have no idea how long a television show's season is supposed to be.

[TVC15]

FWIW, Fallout is the first episode I've watched that doesn't have any jump out at me problems.

[brawndolicious]

Yeah the story stops introducing characters there and actually takes off.

[TVC15]

Do Niki/Jessica, DL, and Micah ever have anything to do with the main plot?  Because I hate them all.

[Himu]

Do Niki/Jessica, DL, and Micah ever have anything to do with the main plot?  Because I hate them all.

I think we all hate Niki/Jessica, but DL and Micah are okay. As far as I know, aside from messing with Linderman and Nick, no. It wasn't until the episode before the last one where they finally get introduced into the main plot thread.

[TVC15]

And how did Hiro know his sword was in NYC, based off a drawing from Isaac?  Is there an online db of swords that will tell you where every sword in the world can be located?

[Himu]

And how did Hiro know his sword was in NYC, based off a drawing from Isaac?  Is there an online db of swords that will tell you where every sword in the world can be located?

Well it's a famous sword. Plus, it's a tv series. When you watch sci fi movies do you go batshit when they're able to hack into alien technology?