Gawd, the rumors for Raimi-less Spidey 4 suck (Caution: SPOILERS 4 DUMMIES)

[The Fake Shemp]

So the rumormill for Spidey 4 is beginning and it looks like Sony will go ahead without Raimi and push more symbiote crap into the series.  The next installment is rumored to have Carnage, The Lizard and The Black Cat.  Because, y'know, stuffing three villains in Spidey 3 worked so well.  Avi Arad wants to milk the symbiote stuff for all its worth.

Someone came up with an outline on the SHH! boards that sounded pretty good, with Doc Connors finally turning into The Lizard.  The sensationalist animal hunter Kraven comes to New York to bag the beast, as Spidey tries to save Connors.  Spidey is still wracked with guilt over the death of Harry and does not want to see another friend fall into that pit of super villain despair.  Spidey ends up fighting off Kraven, saving Connors and MJ dies (the last part was all me).

I think that outline would work pretty well.  No more symbiotes please.

[Saint Cornelius]

Spidey is still wracked with guilt over the death of Harry

hey hey FUCK YOU MY MAN *can't unsee it*

[The Fake Shemp]

Dude, why would you walk into a thread about a sequel when you haven't seen Spidey 3?

[Christopher]

I never read the comic books at all but I always HATED the Carnage parts of the cartoon...

Well in a way, Raimi kind of ended his movies anyway Willco, so at least you can disregard anything that comes after this.

yuck though that honestly has batman and robin written all over it.  Personally, I would have loved to see the return of one standard developed well written villian, Connors/Lizard would have been great as a standalone.

[Error Macro]

NO RAIMI, NO SALE

[CajoleJuice]

I'm an idiot.

[Bacon]

The Lizard/Kraven stuff happened in Spider-Man 3 the game.

[Bloodwake]

Wow, sounds like dogshit.

[The Fake Shemp]

Well in a way, Raimi kind of ended his movies anyway Willco, so at least you can disregard anything that comes after this.

'tis true.  I still want to see a definitive cut of Spider-Man 3, because while entertained, his last outing was really lacking.  I can't help that an additional twenty to thirty minutes of stuff that has been deleted, from Sandman's back story involving his family to Eddie and Gwen's relationship, would really help make this a coherent trilogy.

[Fresh Prince]

Carnage sucks and introducing Black Cat as a new love interest also sucks.

[TVC15]

Well in a way, Raimi kind of ended his movies anyway Willco, so at least you can disregard anything that comes after this.

'tis true.  I still want to see a definitive cut of Spider-Man 3, because while entertained, his last outing was really lacking. 

But Michelle said 3 was the best one.

[Stocky]

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[The Fake Shemp]

But Michelle said 3 was the best one.

He's insane.  It is easily the Return of the Jedi of the trilogy in its current form.  But after seeing screencaps and reading about footage cut, I am pretty confident that a definitive cut will smooth out its rough edges and clean up the third act.  And that's where the problem is.  Everyone was having so much fun with the second act, but its too brief, and Sandman got lost in the shuffle.  The Spidey dumps the symbiote and it becomes a race to the finish line, and totally kills any momentum the film has.  The film is in serious need of a re-release with that extra footage.

And we need to see Sandman and Venom more, because the theatrical cut pretty much has Spidey dumping the symbiote and Venom immediately finds Sandman in a back alley (mind you, we're like, "Where the fuck have you been for 30 minutes?").

[Stocky]

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[Beezy]

Snitches get stitches.

Rumors get tumors.

[TVC15]

You should just ban Michelle for his shockingly awful taste.

[Bloodwake]

You should just ban Michelle for his shockingly awful taste.

Eh, I won't go that far. Have to have something to laugh at 

[Error Macro]

So, if I see S-M3 now, would that taint my perception of the inevitable Spidey 3.1, or would it only further my appreciation of the extended cut?  I can wait if necessary.

[Vizzys]

Carnage > *

[Ichirou]

So the rumormill for Spidey 4 is beginning and it looks like Sony will go ahead without Raimi and push more symbiote crap into the series.  The next installment is rumored to have Carnage, The Lizard and The Black Cat.  Because, y'know, stuffing three villains in Spidey 3 worked so well.  Avi Arad wants to milk the symbiote stuff for all its worth.

I thought someone mentioned in the Iron Man thread that Avi Arad no longer works for Marvel?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Was was the Venom storyline introduced and tied up all in the same fucking film?

[Phoenix Dark]

Spiderman 3>Spiderman 2

I'm shocked

[TVC15]

Spiderman 3>Spiderman 2

I'm shocked

BAN HIM

[Phoenix Dark]

Guys Spiderman 3 was great. Now whenever I see a movie in the theater I always exaggerate about it's greatness; maybe my love of it will die down tomorrow when I review it. But right now I'd say it was easily better than the first movie.

The dancing parts were hilarious

[The Fake Shemp]

I thought someone mentioned in the Iron Man thread that Avi Arad no longer works for Marvel?

He still produces their movies.

[Stocky]

I'd have to say that Spiderman 3 was the best of the trilogy simply because I didn't hear "with great power comes great responsibility".

[Stocky]

But if I ever see Uncle Ben again, I'll kill em all

[Cheebs]

I thought someone mentioned in the Iron Man thread that Avi Arad no longer works for Marvel?

He still produces their movies.

He is producing the franchises he was part of before he resigned from Marvel Studios. Meaning he is still involved wit Spidey, F4, Hulk, Wolverine/Magneto,...etc.

Anything first annouced after he left (March 2006) will be without him I believe.

[Solo]

I'll just take my S-M DVD, my S-M2 DVD, and my S-M3:DC DVD (this had better be in the works), and be done with Spidey. A splurge of sequels, without Sam and Tobey, milking the cash cow, is not something Im interested in. This is where I get off. Its a trilogy to me, no matter how many more they pump out.

[Cheebs]

I'll just take my S-M DVD, my S-M2 DVD, and my S-M3:DC DVD (this had better be in the works), and be done with Spidey. A splurge of sequels, without Sam and Tobey, milking the cash cow, is not something Im interested in. This is where I get off. Its a trilogy to me, no matter how many more they pump out.

Did you get 2.1? It is a better cut overall It bumped my score from a 9 to a 9.5. If Raimi does do one knowing Sony they'd wait till 2009 to release it with Spidey 4.

Question: I know it's a bit early, but have you already started thinking about the DVD? And were there any sequences that you had to cut out of the film?

Raimi: Well, there were a lot of things that we wrote of and didn't shoot, or things that we shot that we didn't think finally were appropriate. We put something in the picture and realized, that's already obvious from the visuals, we don't have to say that, it's better with a look. So like any film, you lose lines and bits, and usually exposition that may not be necessary. Although some of it adds character, it's always a balancing act. So yes, there were things that were cut out of the picture, and yes, I've begun thinking about the DVD, because only in the crudest sense I've got to plot time after the promotion to work on the color timing with the director of photography, Bill Pope and my editor Bob Wronski. And make sure all of these extra pieces are properly--

Question: What kind of extra pieces are you talking about?

Raimi: I don't develop what they are. I just look at them and say, you guys have already used that shot, can we take that out? I'm more like a very distant editor on it.

Question: But you approve the DVD extras?

Raimi: Yes, I do.

Question: How many minutes about were cut out of the film that we may expect on the DVD?

Raimi: I have no idea about that. I don't know if they're going to include extra minutes or if we're going to include extra minutes of the film or not.

[Solo]

Did you get 2.1? It is a better cut overall It bumped my score from a 9 to a 9.5. If Raimi does do one knowing Sony they'd wait till 2009 to release it with Spidey 4.

Nope, and I never will. For two reasons:

- Most importantly: I already am 100% satisfied with the theatrical cut (as if you couldnt tell by my constant S-M2 praise, lolz)
- I HATE unauthorized cuts of films

[Cheebs]

Did you get 2.1? It is a better cut overall It bumped my score from a 9 to a 9.5. If Raimi does do one knowing Sony they'd wait till 2009 to release it with Spidey 4.

Nope, and I never will. For two reasons:

- Most importantly: I already am 100% satisfied with the theatrical cut (as if you couldnt tell by my constant S-M2 praise, lolz)
- I HATE unauthorized cuts of films

Raimi made the cut, he even said so in 2004! He picked the scenes to insert back in. He didn't want to call it a director's cut but he did do the cut himself.

[Solo]

As far as I recall, Raimi said the exact opposite, that Sony made the new cut basically to milk the cash cow. Either way, it doesnt change my first point. I dont want 2.1.

[Cheebs]

As far as I recall, Raimi said the exact opposite, that Sony made the new cut basically to milk the cash cow. Either way, it doesnt change my first point. I dont want 2.1.

Everyone who saw it agrees its a better cut though. And while he does not consider it a director's cut he indeed worked on it:

Question: Recently Spiderman 2.1 came out with 8 additional minutes. Were you involved in that?

Raimi: Yes, that I supervised. And Sony came to me and said, we want to make a 2.1 that gives fans more of the movie. I said but well, the problem is, I want to be good to you Sony, but the problem is you gave me my director's cut with the main picture, and I don't want to punish you now, but that, I really liked, that was the movie I wanted to make and you let me make it and I'm thankful for it. They said well, don't you have things we could still put in that the fans may want to see? I said okay, we won't call it the director's cut, but there's some additional insight into character, there's a few lines, there's a few little action bits that were, maybe were unnecessary to make the point that they said the fans would want to see, so that's what 2.1 is.

He obviously doesn't consider it his cut, but he approved of it and picked out the scenes for it.

[Solo]

You shall not convert me to your religion of 3 year later cuts!

[Cheebs]

You shall not convert me to your religion of 3 year later cuts!

3 years later? The cut was finished in 2004 but held back.


But he also calls his cut of Spidey 3 seen in theaters his directors cut!

Question: So Spiderman 3 is completely your director's cut then? I assume it's the same?

Raimi: Yes, we've had a very good relationship like that throughout all the pictures. There are discussions and there's compromises that you make in any relationship, but I'm very happy with the picture.

[Solo]

Exactly. Theatrical cut = all I want/need, and the only one I consider the real cut.

[Cheebs]

Exactly. Theatrical cut = all I want/need, and the only one I consider the real cut.

that is rather silly when the new cut is just plain better! I don't care what a cut is called or who did it. But if it's the better one I am going with that, if not then I won't.

[Solo]

If the 8 minutes were so great, they would have included them in the TC. This isnt a case of them cutting 30 minutes or something in order to shorten the film in order to maximize the number of showings they could do a day. They could have easily left in those 8 minutes, and it wouldnt have affected the number of screens it was shown on, nor the number of daily showings, nor the film's box office intake. That alone tells me the 8 minutes can't be all that.

[lordmaji]

I know!


A Super Jesus comes to the city and tries to kick start the Apocalypse. But Spid-Money is there to save the day from Super Jesus.

Jesus has the powers to possess all the Christians into doing what he says, and send them all to take down the city. So, then Spid-Money calls upon his old buddy Lion-o from the Thundercats. They team up to help take down Super Jesus and Super Moses (which because Spid-Money called the Thundercats, Jesus felt he needed to get Super Moses).

Conclusion:  MJ gets burnt alive by the Christians (for being a witch), Aunt May is beaten to death by the 10 commandments, and Spid-money and Cheetara get together and the birth of Super Rosie O'Donnell happens.

While at the very end it pans up to the tallest building, and in the dark, you see Mohammed sitting on a huge royal looking chair w/ Jehovah, & Fred Savage standing on which side of him, and Mohammed says "It's time" END *roll credits*

[Bloodwake]

If the 8 minutes were so great, they would have included them in the TC. This isnt a case of them cutting 30 minutes or something in order to shorten the film in order to maximize the number of showings they could do a day. They could have easily left in those 8 minutes, and it wouldnt have affected the number of screens it was shown on, nor the number of daily showings, nor the film's box office intake. That alone tells me the 8 minutes can't be all that.

The film makes much more sense WITH the eight minutes.

It made the train battle even more awesome.

2.1 is without a doubt the superior cut.

[Solo]

Well, I'll never know. I hate the idea of these x.1 cuts. Like for X-men. Just seems like nothing but a cash grab. Sadly, Ill play ball for S-M3 though, since it does seem like THAT film had 30-40 minutes cut, and it was stuff Sam wanted in the film. So for this one case, I will consider 3.1 to be the DC.

[Bloodwake]

Well, I'll never know. I hate the idea of these x.1 cuts. Like for X-men. Just seems like nothing but a cash grab. Sadly, Ill play ball for S-M3 though, since it does seem like THAT film had 30-40 minutes cut, and it was stuff Sam wanted in the film. So for this one case, I will consider 3.1 to be the DC.

Yeah, the X-men one was unnecessary.

Then again, X-Men fucking sucked.

[Solo]

I think the original X-Men gets far too much hate/not enough respect. If it weren't for X-Men succeeding (even though its mediocre), then we would never have had X-2, BB, S-M1-3, Sin City, etc. X-Men becoming a hit in 2000 opened the doors for all of the movies we have seen in the past few years.

And I still enjoy the flick.

[Bloodwake]

I think the original X-Men gets far too much hate/not enough respect. If it weren't for X-Men succeeding (even though its mediocre), then we would never have had X-2, BB, S-M1-3, Sin City, etc. X-Men becoming a hit in 2000 opened the doors for all of the movies we have seen in the past few years.

And I still enjoy the flick.

I don't, but I guess if you look at it that way it helps to justify it.

I wasn't that big of a fan of X-2 either, BTW.

[Solo]

X-2 is greatness. Just below BB, which is just below S-M2, for me.

[Bloodwake]

X-2 is greatness. Just below BB, which is just below S-M2, for me.

I've not watched it in a while, so I might have to give it another chance.

[Cheebs]

X-2 is greatness. Just below BB, which is just below S-M2, for me.

Agreed. But it isn't that surprising. X2 is widely considered one of the greatest super hero films ever.

[lordmaji]

X-2 is greatness. Just below BB, which is just below S-M2, for me.

Agreed. But it isn't that surprising. X2 is widely considered one of the greatest super hero films ever.

I dunno, I think my concept for Spidey-Mang 4 is and could be the best ever.

...that's right.

[Cheebs]

X-2 is greatness. Just below BB, which is just below S-M2, for me.

Agreed. But it isn't that surprising. X2 is widely considered one of the greatest super hero films ever.

I dunno, I think my concept for Spidey-Mang 4 is and could be the best ever.

...that's right.

But the concept they are going with is horrible. Carnage, Lizard, and Black Cat.

Too many damn villians and more symboite nonsense.

[lordmaji]

X-2 is greatness. Just below BB, which is just below S-M2, for me.

Agreed. But it isn't that surprising. X2 is widely considered one of the greatest super hero films ever.

I dunno, I think my concept for Spidey-Mang 4 is and could be the best ever.

...that's right.

But the concept they are going with is horrible. Carnage, Lizard, and Black Cat.

Too many damn villians and more symboite nonsense.

Yeah, but the one I posted was the best. Page 1.

[Robo]

You should stick with calling it Spider-Mang too.  That's already better.

[Solo]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty good too. The entire soundtrack should be funk music.

[lordmaji]

Yeah, I thought that was pretty good too. The entire soundtrack should be funk music.

Hell yeah (George Clinton and P Funk). When Jesus appears they should play "I'm in the Lords Army".