Author Topic: Ichirou vs. Powerslave: Genocide, Global Warming, Carson Daily (Read 3459 times)

Powerslave · « **Reply #60 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:10:31 PM »

here we go in circles again..

Boogie · « **Reply #61 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:13:48 PM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:10:31 PM

here we go in circles again..

Show me evidence that the Turkish government wants a debate about the Armenian genocide, rather than just asserting it.

btw, you ignored the bit where I called you out on a flat-out lie.

also btw, that site is hilarious.

Powerslave · « **Reply #62 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:15:18 PM »

the "they fought a battle part" ?

Powerslave · « **Reply #63 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:15:36 PM »

yes, that site is hilarious.

Boogie · « **Reply #64 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:22:55 PM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:15:18 PM

the "they fought a battle part" ?

well, that too. But I meant the "the only info about a genocide comes from American and Armenian sources" part.

here are some sites, much better designed than yours, in fact, that at first glance might appear to be professional and convincing as well:

http://www.ihr.org/

http://www.zundelsite.org/

But they are full of shit.

The internet is full of shit. And a site that looks like it was designed for geocities circa 1997 isn't the sort of thing one trots out in order to be taken seriously in a debate.

Powerslave · « **Reply #65 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:30:08 PM »

I have read quite a few sites about this a long while ago and never bothered to look into it further. As I said, I don't ever talk about this unless someone else brings it up. As I also said, I am not exactly in the position to engage in a debate on this because I'm fairly new to the whole thing. That's why I have proposed to take this to GAF where other people are who know more than me. I'm here against a couple of people who studied history and obviously have more knowledge about SOME of the things they say.
I stand by my point that I want a true int debate with fairness on both sides, and whatever the outcome is, im fine with it. Ichirou brought this up to set up the forum against me and that's all there is to it. He claimed lots of things which turned out to be untrue. Its not like I actively invest this thing in my free time. I am new to this Armenian genocide thing. What you guys are trying to do here is just stupid.

Boogie · « **Reply #66 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:35:26 PM »

That's nice. Tell me why you lied (or why you made an assertion that is false).

Boogie · « **Reply #67 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:37:09 PM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:30:08 PM

I stand by my point that I want a true int debate

Wait, so you were just substituting your own desires for the government of Turkey? You went from "Turkey wants an international debate" to "I want a true international debate". There is quite the difference in the two statements, don't you agree?

Powerslave · « **Reply #68 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:42:13 PM »

Quote from: Boogie

That's nice. Tell me why you lied (or why you made an assertion that is false).

The archive thing? Read the first line from my previous post.

Quote from: Boogie on May 10, 2007, 07:37:09 PM

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:30:08 PM
I stand by my point that I want a true int debate

Wait, so you were just substituting your own desires for the government of Turkey? You went from "Turkey wants an international debate" to "I want a true international debate". There is quite the difference in the two statements, don't you agree?

I am Turkey, am I not.
As in, the government and it's people.

Boogie · « **Reply #69 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:50:09 PM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:42:13 PM

Quote from: Boogie
That's nice. Tell me why you lied (or why you made an assertion that is false).

The archive thing? Read the first line from my previous post.

This bit?: "I have read quite a few sites about this a long while ago and never bothered to look into it further."

That's nice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide#The_joint_Austrian_and_German_mission

See, you were wrong. No need to thank me for clearing up your blatantly false assertions.

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:30:08 PM

I am Turkey, am I not.
As in, the government and it's people.

No, You are an individual. You are not the government of Turkey. You are not a representative of the sovereign state of Turkey. You do not speak for Turkey.

Man, Ichirou, I had no idea this Powerslave buddy of yours was so gawdamned hilarious.

Powerslave · « **Reply #70 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:54:25 PM »

Uhh Turkey wants a debate doesn't exactly exclude the Turkish people. By the way, what are you actually trying to get at with this? The Turkish government wants a debate, and the turkish people don't? What is it that you're trying to nitpick here?

Powerslave · « **Reply #71 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:56:42 PM »

Let's face it, no matter what I say, other nitpickings are gonna come out of it. I stand by my point that I want an debate (ALONGSIDE OF THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT AND MAYBE SOME OF ITS PEOPLE) and whatever the outcome is, I accept it.

Boogie · « **Reply #72 on:** May 10, 2007, 07:57:20 PM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:54:25 PM

Uhh Turkey wants a debate doesn't exactly exclude the Turkish people. By the way, what are you actually trying to get at with this? The Turkish government wants a debate, and the turkish people don't? What is it that you're trying to nitpick here?

I'm not nitpicking. I'm trying to get you to PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR ASSERTIONS. Saying that "Turkey wants a debate" would suggest that the government of Turkey wants a debate. Provide evidence of that desire, please.

Because all the evidence points to the contrary being the case, what with the suppression of internal debate and all.

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:56:42 PM

Let's face it, no matter what I say, other nitpickings are gonna come out of it. I stand by my point that I want an debate (ALONGSIDE OF THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT AND MAYBE SOME OF ITS PEOPLE) and whatever the outcome is, I accept it.

I am not "nitpicking". I am refuting your asinine statements. There is a difference.

Mupepe · « **Reply #73 on:** May 10, 2007, 08:00:21 PM »

[youtube=425,350]kdtYQ9mBptc[/youtube]

come on guys

Powerslave · « **Reply #74 on:** May 10, 2007, 08:15:35 PM »

Quote from: Boogie on May 10, 2007, 07:57:20 PM

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 07:54:25 PM
Uhh Turkey wants a debate doesn't exactly exclude the Turkish people. By the way, what are you actually trying to get at with this? The Turkish government wants a debate, and the turkish people don't? What is it that you're trying to nitpick here?

I'm not nitpicking. I'm trying to get you to PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR ASSERTIONS. Saying that "Turkey wants a debate" would suggest that the government of Turkey wants a debate. Provide evidence of that desire, please.

Because all the evidence points to the contrary being the case, what with the suppression of internal debate and all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

section The position of the Turkish government (I dont know how to link to articles within an entry)

And that's where the 'there is no good political environment' quote from Ichirou comes in.
That may be true at this point so all I'm hoping is that the relations between the two countries will progress in a good way over the coming years and that a final solution for this tiring matter will come out of it. No matter what the outcome is.

Boogie · « **Reply #75 on:** May 10, 2007, 08:22:03 PM »

Ya, I like that section.

Especially these parts:

"Public prosecutors have made recourse to Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code that prohibits "insulting Turkishness" against some Turkish intellectuals who implied that the events did indeed constitute a genocide; "

"Late Turkish publisher Ayşe Nur Zarakolu was sentenced to two years of imprisonment for publishing a translation of French scholar Yves Ternon's Les Arméniens: histoire d'un génocide in December 1993"

"Dink was prosecuted three times for insulting Turkishness.[67][68] He was acquitted the first time, but the second time, his misinterpreted statement, "replace the poisoned blood associated with the Turk, with fresh blood associated with Armenia"[69] resulted in a six-month suspended sentence"

"During a February 2005 interview with Das Magazin, novelist Orhan Pamuk made statements implicating Turkey in massacres against Armenians and persecution of the Kurds, declaring: "Thirty thousand Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it". Subjected to a hate campaign, he left Turkey, before returning in 2005 in order to defend his right to freedom of speech: "What happened to the Ottoman Armenians in 1915 was a major thing that was hidden from the Turkish nation; it was a taboo. But we have to be able to talk about the past".[71] Lawyers of two Turkish ultra-nationalist professional associations then brought criminal charges against Pamuk.[72] On January 23, 2006, however, the charges of "insulting Turkishness" were dropped (because of formal reasons without finding it necessary to judge on the essence of the case), a move welcomed by the EU — that they had been brought at all was still a matter of contention for European politicians."

Powerslave · « **Reply #76 on:** May 10, 2007, 08:27:48 PM »

So why aren't we taking this to GAF again? You guys apparenlty have no problem with discussing this, despite saying that you don't want to. Should I invite some of the people there to here or something? Or do you want to continue debating an extremely difficult part of history with a guy with limited knowledge? That's what I thought.

Boogie · « **Reply #77 on:** May 10, 2007, 08:48:31 PM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 08:27:48 PM

So why aren't we taking this to GAF again? You guys apparenlty have no problem with discussing this, despite saying that you don't want to. Should I invite some of the people there to here or something? Or do you want to continue debating an extremely difficult part of history with a guy with limited knowledge? That's what I thought.

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm supposed to debate this issue with someone even more deluded than you?

I've already thrashed Remedy about and outed him as a raving lunatic. I'm not about to waste any more time with him.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128705&page=2&highlight=Remedy

Starts at about post 66.

Powerslave · « **Reply #78 on:** May 10, 2007, 08:57:34 PM »

Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.

Cheebs · « **Reply #79 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:51:46 PM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 08:57:34 PM

Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.

Remedy knows nothing about ANYTHING. Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job has no right to state an opinion on anything.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #80 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:53:08 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 10, 2007, 09:51:46 PM

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 08:57:34 PM
Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.
Remedy knows nothing about ANYTHING. Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job has no right to state an opinion on anything.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #81 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:55:24 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 10, 2007, 09:51:46 PM

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 08:57:34 PM
Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.
Remedy knows nothing about ANYTHING. Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job has no right to state an opinion on anything.

WTC7 came down and it wasn't hit by a plane. Obvious explosives were planted. And when has a plane ever brought down a building anyway

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Boogie · « **Reply #82 on:** May 10, 2007, 09:55:53 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 10, 2007, 09:51:46 PM

Quote from: Powerslave on May 10, 2007, 08:57:34 PM
Not only Remedy, nu_faust and Ramzaiscool also seem to know quite a few things about this. Although im not really sure what Ramza's stand is.
Remedy knows nothing about ANYTHING. Anyone who believes 9/11 was a inside job has no right to state an opinion on anything.

See, I think his more damning statements were these:

"Because you will see that many wars around the world are being constructed by one force, ultimately so they keep control power and the wealth.

If a war ever broke out between china and US, though it will seem like a them vs them war, you would find out that both governments of respective nations are in on it, and planned together to create the war for their purposes."

and

"Why is the illumnati symbol on the American dollar? So to say prescott bush and hitler dealings are unsubstantiated is such shit for the fact that the symbol of there organisation is on the dollar."

Cheebs · « **Reply #83 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:03:16 PM »

he is a crazy. I just clicked his post history. Every damn post of his in recent months is about talking about how great Turkey is.

Ichirou · « **Reply #84 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:04:42 PM »

Powerslave's recourse when he's being whipped is "Hey, let's move this debate to GAF where there are a couple of Turkish people even MORE insane than me."

I still don't understand when, after basically admitting you're clueless about this issue, you continue to insist on it when there are people who actually ARE informed who are telling you you're dead wrong, and providing the evidence to back it up. Somehow I think that this would be the same position Turkey would take if there actually were one of those "international debates" you seem to crave so badly.

Cheebs · « **Reply #85 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:08:16 PM »

I don't get the logic in denying a genocide. I mean what do we gain by saying it exists. People DIED. I mean what hidden motive of excitement would there be for us? It is all so silly.

And here is my main argument for stuff like 9/11 conspiracy or alien conspiracy.

Every single damn thing that is even halfway interesting that is covered up by the government tends to be leaked to the press. If the white house had some god damn hidden murderous secret someone would leak it to the press sooner or later. It always happens. There is no way the govt. could cover up something like 9/11 when they can't cover up the smallest of problems.

Ichirou · « **Reply #86 on:** May 10, 2007, 10:11:51 PM »

Look at the way Powerslave writes, and the way his mind works. When I started arguing with him about the Armenian genocide, the gears started to turn in his head and he immediately started to say that I must be racist against Turks, that I must hate Turkey, and that I must have hidden motives for my statements. He then started asking what nationality I was, implying that I was probably Armenian (note: I'm not). The guy is very, very paranoid.

Mupepe · « **Reply #87 on:** May 12, 2007, 06:48:46 AM »

*bump*

keep arguing gays, you're just getting gayer and gayer

Ichirou · « **Reply #88 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:03:30 AM »

Here, Powerslave, I'll bump it again so you can keep getting your ass owned.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #89 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:06:16 AM »

I wonder if he thinks the US deserved to be attacked on 911

Ichirou · « **Reply #90 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:07:54 AM »

Quote from: Michelle the Fibber on May 15, 2007, 10:06:16 AM

I wonder if he thinks the US deserved to be attacked on 911

He probably thinks it was an inside job just like his buddy, the Turkish history "expert" Remedy.

Powerslave · « **Reply #91 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:08:13 AM »

Except that we were going in circles again and after I pretty much explained my final stance you guys still went on with the name-calling and ignoring how much of your claims about me was wrong. There was no point in replying.
Also 'fixed' my ass. You hate me for my stance and about 65 million other Turks have the same one as me. Way to go Turk-hater whoops.

oh snap i guess this is the part where the paranoia steps in

Ichirou · « **Reply #92 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:09:45 AM »

Yup, there goes that paranoia again. Racist psycho.

What was your final stance again? "I refuse to believe any evidence to the contrary. The only facts I need are this letter on a poorly formatted Geocities website. That and the statements of my GAF pal Remedy, who also believes the Illuminati control the US and that 9/11 was an inside job."

Ichirou · « **Reply #93 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:27:02 PM »

Wow, what a coward. Doesn't even have the courage or intelligence to step into this thread and defend his racist beliefs.

Vizzys · « **Reply #94 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:31:20 PM »

are you not entertained?

Ichirou · « **Reply #95 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:32:40 PM »

Not when he decides to ignore the thread (as well as all the evidence against his bizarre belief in an "Armenian hoax") and just go about EB posting in threads like he's not some kind of huge racist.

Vizzys · « **Reply #96 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:33:37 PM »

racism is cool, says some teenagers I know. They all have emo haircuts

Powerslave · « **Reply #97 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:34:50 PM »

Whatever Turk-hater. Im not gonna fall in repeats for your dumb ass. Check out the previous page for my final stance. Don't try to act smart with "geocities website is my proof" shit.
You call me racist for denying this. That means you call all those other Turks who share my view racist too. Stop trying to redeem yourself by only labeling me 'racist' cause that makes no sense.

Ichirou · « **Reply #98 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:35:10 PM »

Powerslave isn't emo, but he may be Chad Warden. 1 million dead Armenians ain't shit to Chad Warden!

BTW, Powerslave, keep bringing up my supposed Turk-hate. I went to Turkey on vacation back in '97, that must've been pure hell for me, huh? Dumbass.

Mupepe · « **Reply #99 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:35:57 PM »

i find most racism funny

Powerslave · « **Reply #100 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:40:12 PM »

I don't give a shit where you went and how long you stayed there. If you think denying something is 'being racist' then you better check the dictionary again. Fact is and I repeat, you say Im racist, 65 million other people are then supposedly racist too, cause they share my beliefs.
Lmao, I think this is the first time where I've heard that you're a racist for denying certain claims.

Ichirou · « **Reply #101 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:42:12 PM »

The difference between you and those 65 million people is that they're being brainwashed by their government because of the country they live in. You, however, claim not to live in Turkey, so you should know better. And yet you don't. Racist.

Powerslave · « **Reply #102 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:45:40 PM »

I am actually more objective than they are. At least I admit certain things like how Turkey is treating this domestically is simply wrong and that I will be fine with it if Turkey is found guilty after that int . debate they have been wanting. Turk hater.

Oh and simply adorable how they are the ones brainwashed now, after you claimed that to me like 500 times. gg.

Ichirou · « **Reply #103 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:49:24 PM »

That was back when I thought you lived in Turkey, teletubby.

The thing about being brainwashed, though, is that at least then it's someone else doing it to you so it's not your fault. But you are deluding yourself while having all facts available to you. That's shameful. And racist. Like you.

Powerslave · « **Reply #104 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:51:57 PM »

Except that you still called me brainwashed a dozen of times after you knew I lived in Europe. Way to turn things around so they benefit you.

Powerslave · « **Reply #105 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:54:29 PM »

You know, remember when I made that proposal about 'lets discuss this civil' and you didnt kept your word? I really thought we could have somehow worked this out in a normal way, but now I realize that heavy discussions on the internet always turn out in either disagreement, or "agree to disagree", but this one was just you resuming the ignorant name-calling. How convenient. After all, resorting to name calling is something only people do who don't have a fair comeback anymore.

Ichirou · « **Reply #106 on:** May 15, 2007, 11:11:27 PM »

Actually, when your opponent in a "debate" refuses to see fact or reason, or provide a single fact confirming his point of view (I'm talking about you, pal) there's really nothing else left to do. You're a joke.

Yeti · « **Reply #107 on:** May 15, 2007, 11:41:27 PM »

Powerslave · « **Reply #108 on:** May 16, 2007, 08:54:23 AM »

I have been reading a lot of websites about this the couple of days from both the Armenian and the Turkish side. I have to admit, both sides are pretty convincing. I told you before that I just recently discovered that there was a matter of genocide, like little over a year ago. I already said this in the Outside link Thread. I also said that I lived in Europe in the first few posts in there. You continued to call me brainwashed by propaganda in that topic, and continued doing it in this topic. And now you say that that was before you discovered I lived outside Turkey? Nice try.
Anyway, what I'm trying to explain to you all this time is, I have limited knowledge about this and shouldn't even try to discuss it. I dont want to either. At the moment I don't know who to believe. I just want this internationally settled and the outcome is final and I'll be happy with it. This was my final stance, and you knew this. Yet you fakely asked it again to continue your little wordgames with me.

For your your last post..... do you also resort to name-calling in a real-life debate? I doubt it.
You and I both knew from the beginning that this wouldn't get us anywhere, you are convinced of your view and I from mine. It's just like one of the million Religious vs. Atheist debates all over the internet. Both sides aren't gonna give in to the other side, yet they still do it over and over again. The remarkable thing is, they both keep it civil and respect eachothers view. No one says 'Godless asshole' or 'Adults with imaginary friends are stupid' at some point. All you did was call me names.
I answered all of your questions with most honesty and as good as I could. I think it's obvious you're not really serious about this and just want to swear at me in the end. And please don't bring me that "you're not worth discussing with" crap, cause you have been doing this all the time on the contrary.

And who am I being racist against again? The Armenians? I have nothing against them. I haven't even met one in my entire life. In fact, the only Armenian I know is Maddox, who is my internet hero. Why would I hate a group of people who I know nothing about. You are really ignorant about this.

Cheebs · « **Reply #109 on:** May 16, 2007, 09:45:53 AM »

Why do you call it the "Armenian side"?

Shouldn't it be the turkish side and the world view side? A vast majority of the European countries, and the states in the USA recognize the genocide.

To my understand the ONLY country in the world whe denies it is Turkey.

Powerslave · « **Reply #110 on:** May 16, 2007, 09:48:41 AM »

Ok, then I replace that with 'the worlds side'.

Scurvy Stan · « **Reply #111 on:** May 16, 2007, 11:30:24 PM »

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Author Topic: Ichirou vs. Powerslave: Genocide, Global Warming, Carson Daily (Read 3459 times)