Poll

Seriously, how dumb are these rubes?

As dumb as the homeschooled.
7 (33.3%)
As dumb as your average distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
0 (0%)
As dumb as your average caveman, entranced by fire and fearful of rain.
5 (23.8%)
As dumb as a post.
0 (0%)
Pee Dee.
9 (42.9%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Author Topic: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?  (Read 5705 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Human Snorenado

  • Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski
  • Icon
How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« on: May 12, 2007, 03:08:55 PM »
We report, you decide!
yar

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2007, 03:10:34 PM »
I don't deny evolution in full. It would be foolish to look at things such as the adaption of bugs to poison sprays and suggest otherwise.
010

captainbiotch

  • (jk i'm his wife, he's a dick)
  • Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2007, 03:10:47 PM »
Faith is a fucking disease.

Cyanista

  • IGNORE ME
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2007, 03:11:43 PM »
Evolution is going on today all around us.  To deny it goes beyond stupid into brainwashing.
omg

Human Snorenado

  • Stay out of Malibu, Lebowski
  • Icon
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2007, 03:12:29 PM »
Evolution is going on today all around us.  To deny it goes beyond stupid into brainwashing.

:-*

But that's pretty much a perfect description of our young Michelle.
yar

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2007, 03:12:53 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
IYKYK

G The Resurrected

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2007, 03:14:05 PM »
Evolution rocks, when do I get super powers though?

Cyanista

  • IGNORE ME
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2007, 03:15:47 PM »
It always seemed to me like christians are fundamentally broken.  They profess that everything is in god's plan, and people can't KNOW god's plan, but. . .

It's such a stretch to them to believe maybe god started evolution?  Because it wasn't written specifically in the bible?  What?  Logic?  distinguished mentally-challenged fellows MEET LOGIC PLS.
omg

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2007, 03:16:03 PM »
Evolution rocks, when do I get super powers though?

It does not rock at all. Do you think it'll "rock" when we have ants 1000 feet tall?
IYKYK

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2007, 03:16:19 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.
Define "God."

I've been brushing up on the subject. I know enough about it to recognize the simplicity of it all. Something that's accumulated so much evidence in such a short period of time is, in my eyes, undeniable.

On a sidenote, what's with this new trend of saying organisms such as bacterial flagellum disprove evolution? Something about how something so complex cannot be supported by evolution. But there's plenty of other equally complicated things that can be explained by evolution. Why do people claim this can't?

Here: http://www.allaboutscience.org/darwins-theory-of-evolution-video.htm is what I'm talking about. That video left me unsatisfied and confused. Not enough information. Help.

Also, can someone please answer this?
« Last Edit: May 12, 2007, 04:19:20 PM by Candyflip »
ffs

Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2007, 03:17:14 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.

Peace and love one another :)

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2007, 03:17:44 PM »
What kind of question is,"Define God"?
IYKYK

Madrun Badrun

  • twin-anused mascot
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2007, 03:18:03 PM »
I can't wait for in 1000 years when they discover that evolution isn't right and they find out the change is caused by gods will not natural adaption to environment.  They will all make fun of us in future history text books. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I voted Cave man option.
[close]

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2007, 03:18:08 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

What the fuck?
IYKYK

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2007, 03:18:57 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.

Peace and love one another :)
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?

Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.
ffs

Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2007, 03:19:38 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

What the fuck?

Do you not understand?

Cyanista

  • IGNORE ME
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2007, 03:19:55 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.

Peace and love one another :)

omg someone's mad I didn't capitalize god.   :lol  Nice 15th post.  Peace and love to you, too, monkey.
omg

Catz

  • Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2007, 03:20:39 PM »
Caveman option.
U

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2007, 03:20:48 PM »
What kind of question is,"Define God"?
Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymous, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2007, 04:28:33 PM by Candyflip »
ffs

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2007, 03:21:12 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.

Peace and love one another :)
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?

Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.

There is a difference between believing in the bible literally and following the Ten Commandments though. This is a difference many people don't seem to understand, and it was best illistrated in that West Wing clip am nintenho posted, where the president suggested that this woman should not work on the Sabbath, stone her brother, etc.

The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
010

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2007, 03:22:32 PM »
What kind of question is,"Define God"?
Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymouse, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.

How is that hard to understand at all? Also, it shouldn't matter what monotheistic god I'm talking about because they're all so similar. How is it hard to understand that some people believe that God created the bare essentials and everything evolved from that? I mean, you're just as bad as the idiots who completely discount evolution if you are unable to understand that.
IYKYK

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2007, 03:23:05 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.

Peace and love one another :)
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?

Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.

There is a difference between believing in the bible literally and following the Ten Commandments though. This is a difference many people don't seem to understand, and it was best illistrated in that West Wing clip am nintenho posted, where the president suggested that this woman should not work on the Sabbath, stone her brother, etc.

The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
So how can you determine which portions of the Bible are false and which are true? Which are to be lived by and followed, and which are to be disregarded either as myth or allegory? A fairy tale that teaches morals. I can't put my faith in a 2000 year old book that employs moral absolutes.
ffs

Cyanista

  • IGNORE ME
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2007, 03:23:20 PM »
They were given to the jews.  Moses, specifically.  I read the bible cover to cover, actually.  Really boring work of fiction, overall.  Lots of bloodshed and fantasy, but lacking that human element.
omg

captainbiotch

  • (jk i'm his wife, he's a dick)
  • Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2007, 03:24:11 PM »
It always seemed to me like christians are fundamentally broken.  They profess that everything is in god's plan, and people can't KNOW god's plan, but. . .

It's such a stretch to them to believe maybe god started evolution?  Because it wasn't written specifically in the bible?  What?  Logic?  distinguished mentally-challenged fellows MEET LOGIC PLS.

The whole point is they can escape reality and rely on a book to tell them everything.  THEY DONT WANT TEH LOGICZ.  Who needs to think when you can just say NO I DON'T BELIEVE.  As if evolution is a belief.  They think everything is a belief and man can't understand reality.

Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2007, 03:24:37 PM »
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth?

Yes, nothing has been change, GOD's word stands eternally.

You don't believe Genesis to be allegory?
You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?

I do my best, more then you know. Not to get into any details, but when you see me and know about my life, you will know. Nobody is perfect, rather we are imperfect human beings, but we can do our best and continue to do so.

Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.

I'm very very closed minded, thus i dont pay any attention to some parts of scientist work or evolution. Everything i need to know, is located in the bible, period.

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2007, 03:25:21 PM »
What kind of question is,"Define God"?
Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymouse, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.

How is that hard to understand at all? Also, it shouldn't matter what monotheistic god I'm talking about because they're all so similar. How is it hard to understand that some people believe that God created the bare essentials and everything evolved from that? I mean, you're just as bad as the idiots who completely discount evolution if you are unable to understand that.
I don't understand how you can accept Christianity yet at the same time support evolution. You're saying Genesis was all complete horseshit? God didn't make earth in 7 days, women weren't made from Adam's spare rib, and all that? In my eyes all people like you are doing is modifying your beliefs so they still can work with whatever metaphysical and scientific advances and discoveries we have made. You can only ad hoc so much.
ffs

Cyanista

  • IGNORE ME
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2007, 03:25:35 PM »
Mhm, it's why I choose science.  Science is about at least looking for answers, while organized religion. . well, they pretty much stopped looking for answers thousands of years ago. 
omg

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2007, 03:26:39 PM »
What kind of question is,"Define God"?
Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymouse, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.

How is that hard to understand at all? Also, it shouldn't matter what monotheistic god I'm talking about because they're all so similar. How is it hard to understand that some people believe that God created the bare essentials and everything evolved from that? I mean, you're just as bad as the idiots who completely discount evolution if you are unable to understand that.
I don't understand how you can accept Christianity yet at the same time support evolution. You're saying Genesis was all complete horseshit? God didn't make earth in 7 days, women weren't made from Adam's spare rib, and all that? In my eyes all people like you are doing is modifying your beliefs so they still can work with whatever metaphysical and scientific advances and discoveries we have made. You can only ad hoc so much.

Or maybe it's beacuse there's enough evidence to support that evolution and the events in the bible were true?
IYKYK

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2007, 03:26:50 PM »
I'm very very closed minded, thus i dont pay any attention to some parts of scientist work or evolution. Everything i need to know, is located in the bible, period.
Yeah, you pretty much ruined it here. No sane person would openly admit that their close mindedness is the reason they're ignorant enough to not educate themselves. Welcome to ignore my joke account friend.
ffs

Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2007, 03:26:57 PM »
The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?

What sort of question is this? LOL , the Ten commandments is for all of us.

BlueTsunami

  • The Muffin Man
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2007, 03:28:03 PM »
U2K DAGREATEST :bow
:9

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #31 on: May 12, 2007, 03:28:55 PM »
What kind of question is,"Define God"?
Uhh. Just what it sounds like. God in the sense of traditional religion? Or an anonymouse, conscious creator that we know nothing about? Christian God? Islam God? Or what? If you believe evolution wholeheartedly, I fail to see how you can still believe there is a God that is the one presented in our man-made religions.

How is that hard to understand at all? Also, it shouldn't matter what monotheistic god I'm talking about because they're all so similar. How is it hard to understand that some people believe that God created the bare essentials and everything evolved from that? I mean, you're just as bad as the idiots who completely discount evolution if you are unable to understand that.
I don't understand how you can accept Christianity yet at the same time support evolution. You're saying Genesis was all complete horseshit? God didn't make earth in 7 days, women weren't made from Adam's spare rib, and all that? In my eyes all people like you are doing is modifying your beliefs so they still can work with whatever metaphysical and scientific advances and discoveries we have made. You can only ad hoc so much.

Or maybe it's beacuse there's enough evidence to support that evolution and the events in the bible were true?
Uh, there is no evidence whatsoever supporting any religion. That's why it's called faith. The only thing you can say to support your religion is "Because the Bible says there is a God, we can assume it is truth as the Bible was inspired by God." And circular arguments are bullshit.
ffs

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #32 on: May 12, 2007, 03:29:24 PM »
The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?

What sort of question is this? LOL , the Ten commandments is for all of us.
Maybe if you're living in biblical times.
ffs

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2007, 03:29:34 PM »
I don't know what the dead sea scrolls and such are at all.
IYKYK

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #34 on: May 12, 2007, 03:30:14 PM »
I don't know what the dead sea scrolls and such are at all.
*blink*
ffs

Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2007, 03:32:35 PM »
U2K DAGREATEST

I was trying to come back to gaming age, but someone didnt want me back. If you notice in the brief time i did come back, i wasnt acting like i did before in the past, i wanted a second chance, but i guess the mods dont like u2k. Btw its U2K Tha Greate$t :)

Maybe if you're living in biblical times.

Well for us bible believers, we are still living in the bible times, just the later times.



Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2007, 03:33:47 PM »
Maybe if you're living in biblical times.

Well for us bible believers, we are still living in the bible times, just the later times.
So you believe in moral absolutism?
ffs

Error Macro

  • Has Raimi-itis!
  • Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2007, 03:35:56 PM »
Die Religion... ist das Opium des Volkes.
sig

Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2007, 03:36:02 PM »

So you believe in moral absolutism?

I'm not understanding, what is that? I never heard that term before

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2007, 03:36:30 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.

Peace and love one another :)
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?

Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.

There is a difference between believing in the bible literally and following the Ten Commandments though. This is a difference many people don't seem to understand, and it was best illistrated in that West Wing clip am nintenho posted, where the president suggested that this woman should not work on the Sabbath, stone her brother, etc.

The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
So how can you determine which portions of the Bible are false and which are true? Which are to be lived by and followed, and which are to be disregarded either as myth or allegory? A fairy tale that teaches morals. I can't put my faith in a 2000 year old book that employs moral absolutes.

I never said that part was "false", or that any part was false. At the heart the bible is simply God communicating with man. It spans thousands of years, and while the particular doctrine changes, the message stays the same. This is best illistrated by the idea of salvation. What is salvation? To Noah, salvation meant that he was to build an Ark. If I went out and built an Ark, would I be saved from inpending doom? Of course not; God did not tell me to build an Ark.

When God gave man his (hundreds) of commandments, who did he give them too? He gave them to the nation of Israel, according to the Bible. Does that mean that today the Jews should follow 900+ laws? No. Once again according to the Bible, Jesus came to forgive man, and fufill the law. Where once salvation was only through the law, it was now through Jesus. Many Christians seem to forget this (or ignore it), but Jesus didn't preach a heavenly message. He preached an early message: repent and be baptized, for the Kingdom is at hand. Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and he offered the Kingdom of Heaven, which was to be created on the earth; in other words, he promised the earth to the Jews.

We know what happened. But once again according to the Bible, God once again gave man another chance. This time all men, Jews and Gentiles - through grace. It is now through Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection (NOT his earthly ministry) that we are saved. Now, do I have to keep the Sabbath to be saved, or sacrifice goats and sheep? No, Jesus was the final sacrifice, and through him we are all saved.

Now some would ask "does that give us a license to sin, since we don't have to follow laws to get to heaven..." The answer is no. While nothing you do will ever seperate you from salvation once you believe, your behavior is more important in the process of being a living testament. Don't lie because it is wrong and against God's word, not because if you do omg you'll go to hell.

And that's where fundamentalists are dead wrong. They suggest that you can lose your salvation, or that certain people can't gain it. That's a lie.
010

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2007, 03:38:57 PM »

So you believe in moral absolutism?

I'm not understanding, what is that? I never heard that term before
The belief that there are moral standards everyone in the world must follow, regardless of culture and the time period. That the rules set forth by the Bible must be lived by now and forever, completely unchanging with the human race.

Basically, do you still think we should stone rapists to death?
ffs

Powerslave

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2007, 03:40:38 PM »
People who don't believe in it are distinguished mentally-challenged. Yeah then explain how the fuck I got this Raichu in my collection huh?

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2007, 03:45:09 PM »
I believe in God, but I also believe in evolution if that makes any sense. I think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots to be quite honest.

You cant believe in the Word of GOD and believe in false teacher at the same time. I believe in the word of GOD, meaning the bible and i believe in GOD, and i also believe in the Son of man, whom we callest Jesus Christ which is the Son of GOD.

I do not believe or follow evolution, and neither do i respect some scientist. I think people can believe what they like, and all because someone doesnt believe what you believe in, doesnt make them stupid. So please do not reject someone because of thier belief.

Peace and love one another :)
So you take the entire Bible in it's entirety as truth? You don't believe Genesis to be allegory? You follow it's every word? Live by the ten commandments?

Have you been properly educated on any alternative methods? Or are you comfortable enough in your beliefs that you feel no need to research anything else? I am amazed by people who can discount something they don't even have a complete understanding in.

There is a difference between believing in the bible literally and following the Ten Commandments though. This is a difference many people don't seem to understand, and it was best illistrated in that West Wing clip am nintenho posted, where the president suggested that this woman should not work on the Sabbath, stone her brother, etc.

The question here is "who were the Ten Commandments given to", and this is something people who don't read the bible don't understand. So why use it as a debate point?
So how can you determine which portions of the Bible are false and which are true? Which are to be lived by and followed, and which are to be disregarded either as myth or allegory? A fairy tale that teaches morals. I can't put my faith in a 2000 year old book that employs moral absolutes.

I never said that part was "false", or that any part was false. At the heart the bible is simply God communicating with man. It spans thousands of years, and while the particular doctrine changes, the message stays the same. This is best illistrated by the idea of salvation. What is salvation? To Noah, salvation meant that he was to build an Ark. If I went out and built an Ark, would I be saved from inpending doom? Of course not; God did not tell me to build an Ark.

When God gave man his (hundreds) of commandments, who did he give them too? He gave them to the nation of Israel, according to the Bible. Does that mean that today the Jews should follow 900+ laws? No. Once again according to the Bible, Jesus came to forgive man, and fufill the law. Where once salvation was only through the law, it was now through Jesus. Many Christians seem to forget this (or ignore it), but Jesus didn't preach a heavenly message. He preached an early message: repent and be baptized, for the Kingdom is at hand. Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and he offered the Kingdom of Heaven, which was to be created on the earth; in other words, he promised the earth to the Jews.

We know what happened. But once again according to the Bible, God once again gave man another chance. This time all men, Jews and Gentiles - through grace. It is now through Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection (NOT his earthly ministry) that we are saved. Now, do I have to keep the Sabbath to be saved, or sacrifice goats and sheep? No, Jesus was the final sacrifice, and through him we are all saved.

Now some would ask "does that give us a license to sin, since we don't have to follow laws to get to heaven..." The answer is no. While nothing you do will ever seperate you from salvation once you believe, your behavior is more important in the process of being a living testament. Don't lie because it is wrong and against God's word, not because if you do omg you'll go to hell.

And that's where fundamentalists are dead wrong. They suggest that you can lose your salvation, or that certain people can't gain it. That's a lie.
You're saying a whole lot of nothing and dancing around the issue. Basically, what you're saying is everyone is saved, regardless of their sins? Then what's the point of reading the Bible? Why go to church? Why even believe in God? From what you say, a guy could go out and kill 6 people, be shot by the police, and still end up in Heaven because Jesus died for his sins. Gee, that's entirely pointless.

What I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so? I feel like I'm going in circles here. How do you determine what to follow? Don't give me that "It's all about how you interpret it" crap, because if that's the case then I interpret it as meaningless, outdated, and useless.
ffs

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2007, 03:47:27 PM »
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.
IYKYK

Cyanista

  • IGNORE ME
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2007, 03:47:57 PM »
Die Religion... ist das Opium des Volkes.
:heartbeat
omg

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2007, 03:48:43 PM »
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.
No, he's saying we all are already saved.
ffs

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2007, 03:50:47 PM »
Quote
What I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so?

I believe in a higher power, but these days I'm less than keen on organized religion. I believe there was a great flood. Jesus may not have done miracles, but other religions such as Islam and Judaism certainly suggest he was important person. I follow what the bible says, but what the bible says to do mainly consists of things that any decent human being would partake in. One of the exceptions I don't believe in is no sex before marriage, which I find to be outdated and bullcrap.
IYKYK

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2007, 03:52:39 PM »
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.
No, he's saying we all are already saved.

No, he's not. He's saying that because of the final sacrifice, all people and not just Jews have the ability to become saved no matter what their past happens to be. This is rudimentary Christian knowledge. I don't understand how you get that interpretation. Either you're doing this to spite people who are religious or on accident, I don't know.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2007, 04:03:46 PM by Himuro »
IYKYK

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2007, 03:54:16 PM »
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.

Exactly. I don't think you even payed attention to the post at all, Mute. I said that salvation is through believing in Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection. The idea that Jesus died is simply history. The idea that he died for your sins, and believing this brings salvation...is indeed salvation.

So with your example of someone killing 6 people, if this person later accepted Jesus (IE believed that he dief for his sins, was buried, and ressurected) for his justification, then yea he's going to heaven. If Hitler didn't kill himself in his bunker, and instead believed this, he would go to heaven and his sins would be forgiven.
010

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2007, 03:54:25 PM »
Quote
What I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so?

I believe in a higher power, but these days I'm less than keen on organized religion. I believe there was a great flood. Jesus may not have done miracles, but other religions such as Islam and Judaism certainly suggest he was important person. I follow what the bible says, but what the bible says to do mainly consists of things that any decent human being would partake in. One of the exceptions I don't believe in is no sex before marriage, which I find to be outdated and bullcrap.
That right there is what bugs me. How can you do this? How can you say you believe it, but then say "Well, this part doesn't fit in my life, so I'm going to completely disregard it. However, it doesn't take away from the credibility of everything else I still do believe in." It feels like people pick and choose what they want to live their life like and then modify their beliefs to fit, making themselves happy by convincing themselves they're still Christian.
ffs

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2007, 03:57:01 PM »
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.
No, he's saying we all are already saved.

No, he's not. He's saying that because of the final sacrifice, all people and not just Jews have the ability to become saved no matter what their past happens to be. This is wChristian knowledge. I don't understand how you get that interpretation. Either you're doing this to spite people who are religious or on accident, I don't know.

He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.

Exactly. I don't think you even payed attention to the post at all, Mute. I said that salvation is through believing in Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection. The idea that Jesus died is simply history. The idea that he died for your sins, and believing this brings salvation...is indeed salvation.
Oh, okay. I'm sorry, I misunderstood that part.

Quote
So with your example of someone killing 6 people, if this person later accepted Jesus (IE believed that he dief for his sins, was buried, and ressurected) for his justification, then yea he's going to heaven. If Hitler didn't kill himself in his bunker, and instead believed this, he would go to heaven and his sins would be forgiven.
:rofl So salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.
ffs

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2007, 04:02:33 PM »
Quote
What I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so?

I believe in a higher power, but these days I'm less than keen on organized religion. I believe there was a great flood. Jesus may not have done miracles, but other religions such as Islam and Judaism certainly suggest he was important person. I follow what the bible says, but what the bible says to do mainly consists of things that any decent human being would partake in. One of the exceptions I don't believe in is no sex before marriage, which I find to be outdated and bullcrap.
That right there is what bugs me. How can you do this? How can you say you believe it, but then say "Well, this part doesn't fit in my life, so I'm going to completely disregard it. However, it doesn't take away from the credibility of everything else I still do believe in." It feels like people pick and choose what they want to live their life like and then modify their beliefs to fit, making themselves happy by convincing themselves they're still Christian.

Because I believe in it does not mean it rules my life. There is a thing called choice.
IYKYK

Phoenix Dark

  • I got no game it's just some bitches understand my story
  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2007, 04:03:22 PM »
Quote from: Mute
So salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.

What? It's based on grace. Salvation is through one area, and that's Jesus Christ. How much you tithe, follow the law, or "repent" has nothing to do with getting saved. Likewise going out and murdering people has nothing to do with you not being saved. God forgives all as long as you follow his way of salvation, it's that simple. Why is that a problem? I think it's comforting knowing there's nothing I can do to save myself through my own works, or damn myself through my own works - it was done for me more than 2,000 years ago
010

Hollywood

  • Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2007, 04:03:51 PM »
Everyone has their own interpretations of things. I don't see why God didn't create the universe, and evolution still occured. Hell, a lot of people believe there's been a lot of genetic modification occuring to change creatures, be it divine or extraterrestrial. I've taken anthropology, I just find it hard to believe that over time mutation in genes, that occur completely randomly, overtakes the giant majority. It would seem that new mutated species would need a little help to survive from something.

As for the whole creationism thing - one of my high school teachers back in the day basically said that up to about the towel of babel or so, all the books early in the Bible were stories/parables to explain things - not meant as historical truth.

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2007, 04:05:14 PM »
Quote
What I want to know is what portions of the Bible you believe to be true. Do you really think there was a great flood? That Jesus really performed miracles? That we should follow what the Bible says to do, simply because it says so?

I believe in a higher power, but these days I'm less than keen on organized religion. I believe there was a great flood. Jesus may not have done miracles, but other religions such as Islam and Judaism certainly suggest he was important person. I follow what the bible says, but what the bible says to do mainly consists of things that any decent human being would partake in. One of the exceptions I don't believe in is no sex before marriage, which I find to be outdated and bullcrap.
That right there is what bugs me. How can you do this? How can you say you believe it, but then say "Well, this part doesn't fit in my life, so I'm going to completely disregard it. However, it doesn't take away from the credibility of everything else I still do believe in." It feels like people pick and choose what they want to live their life like and then modify their beliefs to fit, making themselves happy by convincing themselves they're still Christian.

Because I believe in it does not mean it rules my life.
But it should. You can't half-way believe in something. Even if the Ten Commandments and whatever other rules to live by are considered nothing more than guidelines, and salvation really is based off nothing other than faith and the acceptance of Christ, you're still willingly defying the word of God.
ffs

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2007, 04:05:30 PM »
He's saying that everyone has the possibility of being saved.

Exactly. I don't think you even payed attention to the post at all, Mute. I said that salvation is through believing in Jesus's death, burial, and ressurection. The idea that Jesus died is simply history. The idea that he died for your sins, and believing this brings salvation...is indeed salvation.

So with your example of someone killing 6 people, if this person later accepted Jesus (IE believed that he dief for his sins, was buried, and ressurected) for his justification, then yea he's going to heaven. If Hitler didn't kill himself in his bunker, and instead believed this, he would go to heaven and his sins would be forgiven.

This is simplifying the matter. Simply believing in Jesus' sacrifice will make you saved. If that was the case it would be an easy matter.
IYKYK

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2007, 04:08:10 PM »
Quote from: Mute
So salvation has nothing at all to do with what kind of person you are. It's all based off faith. Yeah right. That's irrational. If God were like that, I'd rather rot in hell for all eternity. Fuck that crap.

What? It's based on grace. Salvation is through one area, and that's Jesus Christ. How much you tithe, follow the law, or "repent" has nothing to do with getting saved. Likewise going out and murdering people has nothing to do with you not being saved. God forgives all as long as you follow his way of salvation, it's that simple. Why is that a problem? I think it's comforting knowing there's nothing I can do to save myself through my own works, or damn myself through my own works - it was done for me more than 2,000 years ago
Because it's ludicrous. I cannot put my faith in a being that judges people based on their acceptance of an apparent fairy tale. The very idea that our creator would judge us based on belief and acceptance is, again, irrational, which would in turn make God irrational. And I don't believe an irrational being could govern our Universe.
ffs

captainbiotch

  • (jk i'm his wife, he's a dick)
  • Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2007, 04:11:23 PM »
There is absolutely no reason to believe in a god other than the fear of damnation after your death, or him sending down some ghosts after your heathen ass.

Himu

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2007, 04:11:48 PM »
But it should. You can't half-way believe in something. Even if the Ten Commandments and whatever other rules to live by are considered nothing more than guidelines, and salvation really is based off nothing other than faith and the acceptance of Christ, you're still willingly defying the word of God.

And why should I? I already stated before I am pretty much less than keen on organized religion and that I believe that there's a higher power out there. Just because I believe in God does not mean I am a standard Christian.

Everyone defies the word of God. With your argument, I could say that all homosexuals cannot go to church or believe in God because their entire life style completely goes against what God asks in the Bible.
IYKYK

Candyflip

  • Senior Member
Re: How stupid are people that don't believe in evolution?
« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2007, 04:14:30 PM »
But it should. You can't half-way believe in something. Even if the Ten Commandments and whatever other rules to live by are considered nothing more than guidelines, and salvation really is based off nothing other than faith and the acceptance of Christ, you're still willingly defying the word of God.

And why should I? I already stated before I am pretty much less than keen on organized religion and that I believe that there's a higher power out there. Just because I believe in God does not mean I am a standard Christian.
Then you're not religious. I leave the possibility of there being a creator, but there's not even a fraction of doubt in my mind that it (he?) is nothing like that presented in any religion, and is unknown to man. Our religions are unsatisfying, both logically and otherwise. Which is why I'll remain agnostic.
ffs