Author Topic: Starcraft 1.5 - When's it coming to XBLA? (Read 2461 times)

MrAngryFace · « **on:** May 21, 2007, 12:51:13 PM »

IMO Rise of Legends looks better and handles as many units of varying scale. SC2 is just so chrome and garish. Bling bling am I right?

I understand catering to the kekekeke's that dont want too much of a change, thus challenging their play knowledge, but come on.

C&C3 already gave me my RTS nostalgia, I wanted something interesting.

When is Diablo III going to be shown?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #1 on:** May 21, 2007, 12:59:49 PM »

they're already caling it "Starcraft HD" over at Qt3. wouldn't wanna make the competitive (pro, lol) set learn a new game!

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2007, 01:05:46 PM »

GOD FORBID.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2007, 01:12:20 PM »

I think the pro gamers are actually disappointed, because Blizzard is looking to introduce a lot of new units and balance measures to ensure a more level playing field. Sure, it looks and will control like the original, but I think the proof is in how they choose to handle the balancing and new units.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2007, 01:15:42 PM »

looks boring. snore.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #5 on:** May 21, 2007, 01:17:27 PM »

I think it'll add enough new wrinkles to be fun and I'm all for a return to a mainstream RTS series with good balancing. And the StarCraft games have always had some nice story lines to go along with some kick butt RTS action (unlike WarCraft, which has gotten ridiculously convoluted at this point).

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #6 on:** May 21, 2007, 01:36:45 PM »

The competitive types will treat it the same way as CS:Source versus CS 1.6-with a slow adoption rate and much whining and complaining because they have to learn something new after years of playing the same game. It will still be huge saleswise, but I would bet years from now people will still be playing the original game in its butt-ugly resolution.

IMO Blizzard should sort of release a "classic" version of Starcraft (with updated visuals/UI) alongside of Starcraft 2 to spur adoption of the game in the competitive groups. Even then, though, people will bitch because selecting more than 12 units at a time is for n00bz kekeke ^_^.

Competitive RTS gamers HATE change while clamoring for it. I can't wait to see the ocean of tears in the Supreme Commander forums from the competitive players who have complained for a balancing patch, and, having received it, will now complain that the game is dumbed down for the newbies because the build orders and map strategies they have learned after playing 200+ ranked games allow people of lesser experience to better compete with them.

Starcraft HD is sort of a unfair assessment of the game's visuals, though. The animation and lighting/shadowing in particular are pretty to look at. In terms of gameplay I'll give them a pass on their unwillingness to innovate-there's been plenty of innovation in the genre over the last couple of years, and a game that consolidates some of the best points while keeping a classic and familiar game style is fine with me.

The one thing I hate? The interface and camera. Christ, I hope that thing can be sodomized with LUA into something that's not monstrously huge. Between the zooming of Supreme Commander as a intuitive/accurate management/navigation scheme and Big Huge Games' interfaces for PERFECT ease of unit management/micro, going to something that's both zoomed in to the max and taking up that amount of real estate is very, very painful.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #7 on:** May 21, 2007, 01:46:10 PM »

I'd like to also say that I'm ten times more interested in the Big Huge Games' expansion of Age of Empires 3 and Petroglyph's Universe at War than Starcraft 2 at the moment. Mainly because the Starcraft/Blizzard way of RTS games has never really been my favorite style of RTS gaming (too much combat micro required to be successful).

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2007, 03:36:06 PM »

God I love AoEIII. Actual tactical micro-management ftw.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #9 on:** May 21, 2007, 03:42:42 PM »

Frag, we need to play some 1v1 AoE3. Weekdays at 8:30 PST is the best time to get me for PC gaming.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2007, 03:53:57 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 21, 2007, 03:42:42 PM

Frag, we need to play some 1v1 AoE3. Weekdays at 8:30 PST is the best time to get me for PC gaming.

That sounds pretty good, though I barely played it, THANKS WoW crackmonkey issues arghkgdjk.

Though, that lack of experience actually works out in this case, since I always turn out to be a bit of a beast at RTS games.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #11 on:** May 21, 2007, 03:56:00 PM »

I lub me some frenc cav

TVC15 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 22, 2007, 02:28:06 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 21, 2007, 03:42:42 PM

Frag, we need to play some 1v1 AoE3. Weekdays at 8:30 PST is the best time to get me for PC gaming.

1 on 1? You bitch. If there's AoE3 goin on I want in.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #13 on:** May 22, 2007, 02:31:54 AM »

fine, fine

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2007, 03:04:01 AM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 22, 2007, 02:31:54 AM

fine, fine

I'm free tomorrow night.

Also, Gas Powered Games finally released a new patch for Supreme Commander, and the performance with tons of units on screen and pathfinding got a huge, huge boost. It may be worth picking that up and trying it again at some point-but let's do AoE3 or Rise of Nations/Legends first, since everyone's on more equal ground there.

TVC15 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 22, 2007, 03:07:38 AM »

Quote from: Fragamemnon on May 22, 2007, 03:04:01 AM

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 22, 2007, 02:31:54 AM
fine, fine

I'm free tomorrow night.

Also, Gas Powered Games finally released a new patch for Supreme Commander, and the performance with tons of units on screen and pathfinding got a huge, huge boost. It may be worth picking that up and trying it again at some point-but let's do AoE3 or Rise of Nations/Legends first, since everyone's on more equal ground there.

Wait, is the patch out now?

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #16 on:** May 22, 2007, 03:24:03 AM »

Yeah, came out tonight.

Big perfrormance and pathfinding boosts as I mentioned before. Other notable features include:

*) 5 to 20 minute optional "no rush" feature, which is kinda neat because it turns games into really violent matches of SimCity.
*) Large rebalancing of factions and units-the game isn't a rush to the highest tech level and siege bots now.

I played a 1v1 on a mixed land/water map and we both had 500 units each shooting tons of projectiles and never saw a stutter.
He had an older AMD X2 and I had a Core 2 Duo. Units were snappy and responsive to orders, and the "bogging down" that had plauged the game is pretty much gone.

If you guys would like, I can cut a replay of a CPU skirmish with a separate audio track for a "quickstart" guide to the basic game strategies. I would say play the campaign, but it's fucking horrible.

TVC15 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 22, 2007, 04:22:00 AM »

Any word on whether the game is playable with more than 4 players?

Prost · « **Reply #18 on:** May 22, 2007, 12:34:12 PM »

Those guys don't give a fuck. Whatever the game is, they will be awesome at it, hands down.

SC2 has a fuck ton of changes.... looks like every new unit that's introduced, an old unit will be removed.

They aren't having the same old units and then + more.... they're removing a lot of units and introducing new ones.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #19 on:** May 22, 2007, 07:14:40 PM »

I'd play some of these new fangled RTSs if my comp could handle it. As it is, I've been playing SC the past few days.

And no Prost, I don't want to get owned by you.

Mupepe · « **Reply #20 on:** May 22, 2007, 07:15:30 PM »

Quote from: Willco on May 21, 2007, 01:17:27 PM

I think it'll add enough new wrinkles to be fun and I'm all for a return to a mainstream RTS series with good balancing. And the StarCraft games have always had some nice story lines to go along with some kick butt RTS action (unlike WarCraft, which has gotten ridiculously convoluted at this point).

sorry

it was cute

Scurvy Stan · « **Reply #21 on:** May 22, 2007, 09:26:22 PM »

So what's the gameplay resolution going to be this time? I hope it's not locked at some tiny ass number again.

G The Resurrected · « **Reply #22 on:** May 24, 2007, 05:20:20 AM »

hmm i just watched the 22 min demo i've never played starcraft but i have pleanty of experience with other RTS games. the game looks good, but whats up with the flood like creatures? Someone tell me some back story to Starcraft? its been 10 years for shit sake they really should release a HD version for the people that missed out.

By the way what are some good 3-d RTS games? i love homeworld (fuck you relic)

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #23 on:** May 24, 2007, 10:32:23 AM »

I dunno prost, if youve been playing any of the recent RTS titles its hard to get excited over a prettied up Starcraft.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #24 on:** May 24, 2007, 11:05:46 AM »

Quote from: Bubblicious Panda on May 24, 2007, 10:32:23 AM

I dunno prost, if youve been playing any of the recent RTS titles its hard to get excited over a prettied up Starcraft.

I think Prost mentioned once that he had played over 1000 (was that right?) games of Starcraft over battle.net. I think, given that much time investment, it would be hard for him NOT to be excited over it.

I'm sort of backwards on Starcraft 2 personally. I actually really dig the art style and animation, but the idea of playing it in competitive/ladder enviornment sort of turns me off-I'm just not a huge fan of the SC gameplay model in a mutliplayer enviornment compared to some other RTS models. What I am looking forward to is the single-player missions, which Blizzard has (usually) done a really good job with. I just hope the territory-centered single-player in games like Rise of Nations/Legends and Warhammer: Dark Crusade haven't spoiled the mission-based RTS singleplayer for me by the time SC2 comes out.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #25 on:** May 24, 2007, 11:13:06 AM »

I just feelt he game isn't that ambitious and caters ONLY to people who play competitively.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #26 on:** May 24, 2007, 12:15:07 PM »

Quote from: Bubblicious Panda on May 24, 2007, 11:13:06 AM

I just feelt he game isn't that ambitious and caters ONLY to people who play competitively.

You're not alone. It won't hurt the sales of SC2 much, if at all, but I definitely feel that the focus of the game is on a set of competitive online features that I don't find very compelling. Others do find it the main attraction of the game though, especially the Korean audience (and that particular audience IS who the game is being made for IMO, make no mistake).

Stuff like Universe at War, AoE3/CoH expansions, World in Conflict, and even Empire Earth 3 appeal to me more than Starcraft 2
at the moment.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #27 on:** May 24, 2007, 01:34:39 PM »

I am hoping for a Rise of Legends expansion. Diversifying the Cuotl would rock. I like AOE3 a lot tho and will pick up the second expansion.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #28 on:** May 24, 2007, 01:42:08 PM »

i have begged on qt3 SEVERAL times for a RoL expansion that diversifies Cuotl play and adds a fourth Lovecraftian race. brian reynolds even said "lol, that sounds like a good idea!" but nothing has been spoken since. inside, my little glass heart cracks.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #29 on:** May 24, 2007, 01:45:10 PM »

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #30 on:** May 24, 2007, 02:08:08 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on May 24, 2007, 01:42:08 PM

i have begged on qt3 SEVERAL times for a RoL expansion that diversifies Cuotl play and adds a fourth Lovecraftian race. brian reynolds even said "lol, that sounds like a good idea!" but nothing has been spoken since. inside, my little glass heart cracks.

Poor Rise of Legends.

I play Alin, but I'd love to see a more diversified Cuotl. No need for a new race, just give me some fun new singleplayer and multiplayer scenarios/gametypes to tool with.

I think at this point Big Huge Games is going ahead with their RPG project and working with THQ since it appears that most of the design work for the Age of Empires 3 expansion is nearly done. I'm sure they would have loved to work with Microsoft Game Studios to publish another project, but if there is anything abundantly clear in PC gaming land, MGS doesn't give a shit about PC gaming anymore unless it is to feed their existing, near-recurring revenue streams (simulation games and Age of Empires).

bluemax · « **Reply #31 on:** May 24, 2007, 02:46:44 PM »

I need to spend more time with RoL, none of my friends ever got interested in it though. They all stuck with DoW and any hope I had of getting them to try RoL died with Dark Crusade came out.

Still the Starcraft model of RTS is old and busted. Games like RoL, DoW, CoH and SupCom are the new hotness.

Scurvy Stan · « **Reply #32 on:** May 24, 2007, 03:09:45 PM »

I think you guys are being a little too harsh on SC2 figuring noone here has even played it yet. The SC model works fine for what it is. Games like AoE and RoL are a different scope and are played in a different fashion than SC is and it's silly to make comparisons. You don't have to invent a new genre every time you make a game, especially when some of the ppl bagging on SC2 are one thread over gheying out over games that are even more "backwards" in their progression than SC2.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #33 on:** May 24, 2007, 03:47:22 PM »

Quote from: Scurvy Stan on May 24, 2007, 03:09:45 PM

I think you guys are being a little too harsh on SC2 figuring noone here has even played it yet. The SC model works fine for what it is.

I think that the lukewarm response from some of the people in this thread is due to the fact that the SC model works fine for what it is, but that model is sort of a turnoff to some people. It was cool and OK in 1998, but a lot of us have played a lot of games since then and actually really like some of the features that other games have incorporated beyond the simple expansion-centric economy, heavy unit micro, and extreme unit countering that SC/Blizzard RTS games are known for and, given the statements and SC2 gameplay that we've seen, will continued to be known for.

There's nothing BAD about SC2. It is what it is, and some of us just aren't super-enthused about it like the rest of the internet. We'll all wind up probably buying it anyway.

The only thing I don't understand are people ragging on the graphics if they have seen the game in motion. It looks fantastic.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #34 on:** May 24, 2007, 03:55:06 PM »

I LIKE C&C3, but its model is old n busted. If I didnt have SUPER NOSTALGIA for the series I wouldnt want to play it. Rushing is honestly a big turn-off if you've played recent RTS titles that place a lot more focus on effective tactical micro on the field and less on unit combinations.

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Author Topic: Starcraft 1.5 - When's it coming to XBLA? (Read 2461 times)