Sullivan's Travels. (classic movie thread that Drinky pisses on)

[FlameOfCallandor]

Wow, this was a suprise last night. I had seen the opening scene a few years back and always wanted to watch the movie. It has to be the best movie about making a movie there is. They just dont make movies this smart and simple anymore.

Anyone else see this movie.

[Scurvy Stan]

I haven't seen it.

[Error Macro]

Wow, this was a suprise last night. I had seen the opening scene a few years back and always wanted to watch the movie. It has to be the best movie about making a movie there is. They just dont make movies this smart and simple anymore.

Anyone else see this movie.

Is it a movie?

[Madrun Badrun]

Wow, this was a suprise last night. I had seen the opening scene a few years back and always wanted to watch the movie. It has to be the best movie about making a movie there is. They just dont make movies this smart and simple anymore.

Anyone else see this movie.

Is it a movie?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Wow, this was a suprise last night. I had seen the opening scene a few years back and always wanted to watch the movie. It has to be the best movie about making a movie there is. They just dont make movies this smart and simple anymore.

Anyone else see this movie.

Is it a movie?

movie

[Van Cruncheon]

"simple" being the operative word

[FlameOfCallandor]

"simple" being the operative word

 

[Van Cruncheon]

there's no denying that you're a little on the, well duh side of life, foc. celebrate your human mediocrity!

[FlameOfCallandor]

there's no denying that you're a little on the, well duh side of life, foc. celebrate your human mediocrity!

Yup. Because I think mullholland drive is a load of horse shit, I am mediocre.

Have you even seen Sullivan's Travels? It rapes Mullholland drive in terms of quality. You think people are actually going to remember that POS in 50 years?

[Van Cruncheon]

who brought up mulholland drive? i'm talking about your tastes overall.

but since you brought it up: most people can understand mulholland drive, simp. don't hnate just because you're a bit on the slow side.

[FlameOfCallandor]

who brought up mulholland drive? i'm talking about your tastes overall.

but since you brought it up: most people can understand mulholland drive, simp. don't hate just because you're a bit on the slow side.

I understand the fucking movie you cunt. It still sucks. Stop being distinguished mentally-challenged and use something a little more relevant than "You just don't understand it"

[Van Cruncheon]

yet you've consistently failed to explain why it is a "bad" movie, although many folks around here -- and folks without "film degrees" even! -- have managed to articulate why the find it to be a GOOD movie.

Yea your write everyone here "explained" Mullholland drive. How about this simple explanation for Mullholland Drive. Nobody knows that the fuck its about not even Lynch himself. Its a bunch of random scenes. Literally, its like he took some kindergarden paintings and used them as storyboards. I want a cowboy in this scene, and in this scene there is going to be a monster and then its all going to be a dream at the end.

@ U!

[FlameOfCallandor]

yet you've consistently failed to explain why it is a "bad" movie, although many folks around here -- and folks without "film degrees" even! -- have managed to articulate why the find it to be a GOOD movie.

It's a bunch of fucking random images. It's a bunch of left over footage from a failed tv pilot. He probably just googled some random images and used them as a storyboard. Oh, a monster, a cowboy and a lesbian sex scene. I bet if lynch puts them together some internet and film cigarillo wannabes will piece together some BS about hollywood and feel smart. Yes, you guys are so film savy, you found meaning in a movie that has no meaning.  If the film wasn't a lynch movie non of you guys would think it was good, but becasue it's Lynch it somehow gives you credibility to say you like this trash.

Anyway, this thread is about Sullivan's Travels. A much better movie. Get your sorry trolling ass out of here. 

[Van Cruncheon]

Mulholland Drive premiered at the Cannes Film Festival in May 2001 to major critical acclaim. Lynch was awarded the Best Director prize at the festival (sharing it with co-winner Joel Coen for The Man Who Wasn't There). In the United States, the film was released in October 2001. Despite mixed audience reaction, it drew positive reviews by many critics. It was named Best Picture by the New York Film Critics Circle, and even more notably was given a four-star review by Roger Ebert, who is known as one of Lynch's biggest detractors. The box office grosses in the US were fairly low, however the film became much talked about after its popularity on DVD]] and [[VHS.

Lynch was nominated for a Best Directing Oscar for the film. From the Hollywood Foreign Press, the film received four Golden Globe nominations, including Best Picture (Drama), Best Director, and Best Screenplay. [4][5]

Mulholland Dr. was ranked #38 on the Channel 4 program 50 Films to See Before You Die and appears on and off the IMDB.com list of the top 250 films.

even that chronic lynch-hating obesenoid EBERT grokked mulholland drive, simp.

you suck at films. i suggest you take up something more suited to your intellectual acumen, like beta-testing burger king foodstuffs with your peer, miles trahan.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Mulholland Drive premiered at the Cannes Film Festival in May 2001 to major critical acclaim. Lynch was awarded the Best Director prize at the festival (sharing it with co-winner Joel Coen for The Man Who Wasn't There). In the United States, the film was released in October 2001. Despite mixed audience reaction, it drew positive reviews by many critics. It was named Best Picture by the New York Film Critics Circle, and even more notably was given a four-star review by Roger Ebert, who is known as one of Lynch's biggest detractors. The box office grosses in the US were fairly low, however the film became much talked about after its popularity on DVD]] and [[VHS.

Lynch was nominated for a Best Directing Oscar for the film. From the Hollywood Foreign Press, the film received four Golden Globe nominations, including Best Picture (Drama), Best Director, and Best Screenplay. [4][5]

Mulholland Dr. was ranked #38 on the Channel 4 program 50 Films to See Before You Die and appears on and off the IMDB.com list of the top 250 films.

even that chronic lynch-hating obesenoid EBERT grokked mulholland drive, simp.

LOL even Ebert said

"'Mulholland Drive' isn't like 'Memento,' where if you watch it closely enough, you can hope to explain the mystery. There is no explanation. There may not even be a mystery."


And just to clear things up, I loved The Elephant Man.

[Van Cruncheon]

and why would you anticipate a mystery --specifically a linear, formulaic plot -- from mulholland drive? again, you didn't get the movie at all. what does loving the elephant man have to do with your inadequacy as a student of cinema?

[FlameOfCallandor]

and why would you anticipate a mystery --specifically a linear, formulaic plot -- from mulholland drive? again, you didn't get the movie at all. what does loving the elephant man have to do with your inadequacy as a student of cinema?

How about anticipating something more than some random images.

Yea i get its a dream. Do you know how interesting it is to hear my friends talk about their dreams? Hint: not very. If I don't care about my friend's dreams then why would I want to watch 2 hours of Lynch's dreams. Hell, I bet his dreams are even more coherent.

[TVC15]

yet you've consistently failed to explain why it is a "bad" movie, although many folks around here -- and folks without "film degrees" even! -- have managed to articulate why the find it to be a GOOD movie.

It's a bunch of fucking random images.

You didn't understand the movie.  You can possibly use that explanation for INLAND EMPIRE, but not Mulholland.

[FlameOfCallandor]

yet you've consistently failed to explain why it is a "bad" movie, although many folks around here -- and folks without "film degrees" even! -- have managed to articulate why the find it to be a GOOD movie.

It's a bunch of fucking random images.

You didn't understand the movie.  You can possibly use that explanation for INLAND EMPIRE, but not Mulholland.

I understand the fucking movie. Its a fucking dream about Hollywood disillusionment.

[TVC15]

yet you've consistently failed to explain why it is a "bad" movie, although many folks around here -- and folks without "film degrees" even! -- have managed to articulate why the find it to be a GOOD movie.

It's a bunch of fucking random images.

You didn't understand the movie.  You can possibly use that explanation for INLAND EMPIRE, but not Mulholland.

I understand the fucking movie. Its a fucking dream about Hollywood disillusionment.

What are the random images?

[FlameOfCallandor]

yet you've consistently failed to explain why it is a "bad" movie, although many folks around here -- and folks without "film degrees" even! -- have managed to articulate why the find it to be a GOOD movie.

It's a bunch of fucking random images.

You didn't understand the movie.  You can possibly use that explanation for INLAND EMPIRE, but not Mulholland.

I understand the fucking movie. Its a fucking dream about Hollywood disillusionment.

What are the random images?

How about the fact that scenes dont even relate to each other.

[TVC15]

yet you've consistently failed to explain why it is a "bad" movie, although many folks around here -- and folks without "film degrees" even! -- have managed to articulate why the find it to be a GOOD movie.

It's a bunch of fucking random images.

You didn't understand the movie.  You can possibly use that explanation for INLAND EMPIRE, but not Mulholland.

I understand the fucking movie. Its a fucking dream about Hollywood disillusionment.

What are the random images?

How about the fact that scenes dont even relate to each other.

Give examples, because I don't know what you're talking about.  I don't recall anything being particularly out of place.

[Cheebs]

It has to be the best movie about making a movie there is. They just dont make movies this smart and simple anymore.

This:

[FlameOfCallandor]

Give examples, because I don't know what you're talking about.  I don't recall anything being particularly out of place.

Perhaps we arent talking about the same movie.

[TVC15]

Give examples, because I don't know what you're talking about.  I don't recall anything being particularly out of place.

Perhaps we arent talking about the same movie.

Cool.  So you can't cite any examples then?  That's totally a valid complaint you have.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Give examples, because I don't know what you're talking about.  I don't recall anything being particularly out of place.

Perhaps we arent talking about the same movie.

Cool.  So you can't cite any examples then?  That's totally a valid complaint you have.

monster
cowboy
tiny people
lesbian sex scene
charcters that come in and leave for no reason at all


dont even try to say that the movie doesnt have stuff that doesnt make sense. Even most of the positive reviews say the movie doesnt make any sense. Fuck, Ebert's whole review was basically "It doesnt make any sense but thats why i like it"

[TVC15]

Give examples, because I don't know what you're talking about.  I don't recall anything being particularly out of place.

Perhaps we arent talking about the same movie.

Cool.  So you can't cite any examples then?  That's totally a valid complaint you have.

monster
cowboy
tiny people
lesbian sex scene
charcters that come in and leave for no reason at all

You pretty much said what I expected.

Monster = Early clue about the nature of dreams and reality.  His reappearance at a key part of the story reinforces this.

Cowboy = Clear reference to old Hollywood.  It's an old cowboy acting Noir-y.  He appears as a myseterious character at the party in reality.

Tiny People = The old people from the beginning of the movie, who at the beginning of the movie welcome Betty to Hollywood and wish her good things.  When things in the movie make their turn, and the dark reveal is made, they appear as maniacal characters, symbolizing how much things have fallen apart.  This is really obvious, and if you didn't get it, you are pretty much distinguished mentally-challenged.

Lesbian Sex Scene = In reality, the two actresses were at one point lovers, this is explicitly said. The romance fell apart due to the director.  Diane/Betty relives the hot lesbo sex during her masturbatory fantasy.  Again, pretty clear.

Characters that come in and leave for no reason at all = Who, exactly?  The only largely unconnected scene is the one in Winky's with the mysterious old guy.  I do think it's kind of loose-endy, but I think the sequence is important in establishing the atmosphere, and it ties into the appearance of the scary hobo.

Really, if you didn't get these things, there's no way you understood the movie.

Lynch tends to not explain things in his movies and allow users to draw their own conclusions.  This is also why he never says anything definitive about plots.  His movies are all well-made, and I think his policy of not commenting is pretty damned great.  In the end, nothing definitive can be said, but there can be many perfectly valid interpretations.  In the case of Mulholland, I don't think it is very difficult at all to put things together.

[Himu]

yet you've consistently failed to explain why it is a "bad" movie, although many folks around here -- and folks without "film degrees" even! -- have managed to articulate why the find it to be a GOOD movie.

It's a bunch of fucking random images. It's a bunch of left over footage from a failed tv pilot. He probably just googled some random images and used them as a storyboard. Oh, a monster, a cowboy and a lesbian sex scene. I bet if lynch puts them together some internet and film cigarillo wannabes will piece together some BS about hollywood and feel smart. Yes, you guys are so film savy, you found meaning in a movie that has no meaning.  If the film wasn't a lynch movie non of you guys would think it was good, but becasue it's Lynch it somehow gives you credibility to say you like this trash.

Anyway, this thread is about Sullivan's Travels. A much better movie. Get your sorry trolling ass out of here. 

Dude. The appeal of Mulholland Drive is putting all of these scenes TOGETHER in a cohesive ORDER. Have you ever seen Pulp fiction or Kill Bill? I fear what you would think of them because they follow a similar format, although they  stress having fun rather than figuring the plot and symbolism out. It's really that simple, and after one viewing anyone with half a brain should be able to come up with SOME idea over what went on. It took me only ONE viewing to understand the majority of the film.

[FlameOfCallandor]

In the end, nothing definitive can be said, but there can be many perfectly valid interpretations.

What about my interpretation of it not meaning anything? Shouldn't that be just as valid?

[Himu]

Mulholland Drive premiered at the Cannes Film Festival in May 2001 to major critical acclaim. Lynch was awarded the Best Director prize at the festival (sharing it with co-winner Joel Coen for The Man Who Wasn't There). In the United States, the film was released in October 2001. Despite mixed audience reaction, it drew positive reviews by many critics. It was named Best Picture by the New York Film Critics Circle, and even more notably was given a four-star review by Roger Ebert, who is known as one of Lynch's biggest detractors. The box office grosses in the US were fairly low, however the film became much talked about after its popularity on DVD]] and [[VHS.

Lynch was nominated for a Best Directing Oscar for the film. From the Hollywood Foreign Press, the film received four Golden Globe nominations, including Best Picture (Drama), Best Director, and Best Screenplay. [4][5]

Mulholland Dr. was ranked #38 on the Channel 4 program 50 Films to See Before You Die and appears on and off the IMDB.com list of the top 250 films.

even that chronic lynch-hating obesenoid EBERT grokked mulholland drive, simp.

LOL even Ebert said

"'Mulholland Drive' isn't like 'Memento,' where if you watch it closely enough, you can hope to explain the mystery. There is no explanation. There may not even be a mystery."


And just to clear things up, I loved The Elephant Man.

DUDE THERE IS NO MYSTERY AT ALL IN MULHOLLAND DRIVE

At it's core is utterly simplistic. It's about a woman who feels guilty and depression from her life, especially her love life. She hires a hitman to kill her lover, and he does the job. When she finds out her lover is DEAD she falls into a deep depression, and falls asleep, hoping to get away from it all. This is where the majority of the plot takes place, it's a goddamn DREAM. What mystery is there to solve at all?

In the end, nothing definitive can be said, but there can be many perfectly valid interpretations.

What about my interpretation of it not meaning anything? Shouldn't that be just as valid?

It means something. I am not going to bother to even explain it to you.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I was just quoting ebert who apparently loved the film but didnt get it either.

[TVC15]

In the end, nothing definitive can be said, but there can be many perfectly valid interpretations.

What about my interpretation of it not meaning anything? Shouldn't that be just as valid?

Why not?  You could say that about anything.  The thing is, you're only saying it in this case because you didn't grok it.