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« Reply #120 on: June 08, 2007, 04:23:55 AM »
What would you recommend first out of Faulkner's works, TVC? I'm fairly certain The Sound and the Fury is his most famous, right?
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« Reply #121 on: June 08, 2007, 04:26:31 AM »
Movie:

Waterworld/Postman - I liked both of these movies, especially the latter. I can't get enough post-apoc or Kevin Costner, apparently.

Books:

Shitty Harry Turtledove alt history and David Weber space opera. Also, Glen Cook's Black Company stuff-fuck, the loose video game adaptation (Myth) was better told. I read them all and liked it anyway.

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Secret Garden (new age duo). It's formulaic, sometimes poorly executed genre stuff and I love it. Why on earth I listen to that alongside late 80s-90s LA punk and british shoegazer is beyond me, I think I got my wires crossed somewhere in high school.

TV:

never really watched too much TV in my life. 24 is pretty formulatic and shitty, but it's fun and I've seen a few seasons on DVD.

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I'd like to recommend Faulkner right off the bat, but he is an incredibly talented, difficult writer, and I have a feeling that one should have a fairly nice understanding of 19th century American history before getting into his classics.  Faulkner is, by a very very wide margin, the best American writer in the country's history.

Totally agree. Also, 19th century US history is also the only really interesting period of US history outside of the immediate post-independence era, so brushing up on that is an added bonus.
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« Reply #122 on: June 08, 2007, 04:32:26 AM »
What would you recommend first out of Faulkner's works, TVC? I'm fairly certain The Sound and the Fury is his most famous, right?

The Sound and the Fury may be his best.  There are other contenders, like a Light in August, As I Lay Dying, and Absalom Absalom, but I think Sound and the Fury wins out due to its whole Rashomon-y four different storytellers thing, couple with four drastically different styles.  Once you finish the book, and finally piece everything together, it feels like you, the reader, have accomplished something.  The first 80 or so pages of the novel are a total gauntlet.  Then there's a brief reprieve before things get crazy again in the second quarter.  The last half of the novel goes down a bit easier, but it's a challenge to get there, and it all means nothing if you didn't decipher the first half.

Faulkner, like most early 20th century American writers, is best started via short stories. A Rose for Emily is probably taught in every US fiction class that covers short stories.  As far as novels go, Sanctuary is a good starting point, even if Faulkner hated the book.  It is flashy, and also gets readers accustomed to Faulkner's downright biblical writing style.

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Also, 19th century US history is also the only really interesting period of US history outside of the immediate post-independence era, so brushing up on that is an added bonus.

I agree 100%>  I find it incredibly strange that 19th century US history is basically skipped over in high school, aside from the Civil War.  We all know the We Are the Mediocre Presidents bit from the Simpsons, but I doubt many Americans can say why they were mediocre, or indeed give any defining details of what was going on during their terms. 
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« Reply #123 on: June 08, 2007, 04:35:24 AM »
I've never been able to read Faulkner. I always get like 60 pages into his novels then lose interest. The whole shared universe thing is kind of offputting. Any suggestions for a good starting point?
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« Reply #124 on: June 08, 2007, 04:38:10 AM »
I've never been able to read Faulkner. I always get like 60 pages into his novels then lose interest. The whole shared universe thing is kind of offputting. Any suggestions for a good starting point?

I just asked that and he answered.  :P

Thanks for the info, TVC.
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« Reply #125 on: June 08, 2007, 04:41:02 AM »
I've never been able to read Faulkner. I always get like 60 pages into his novels then lose interest. The whole shared universe thing is kind of offputting. Any suggestions for a good starting point?

There's not really a shared universe.  Some of the novels take place in the same location, and some of them have overlapping characters, but it's not like there's a certain order you have to read anything in. 

I'd recommend The Sound and the Fury first.  I know you like reading, Patel, and you can always use the challenge factor to motivate yourself.
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« Reply #126 on: June 08, 2007, 04:48:13 AM »
I think As I Lay Dying is more straightforward and accessible, but you can't go wrong either way.
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« Reply #127 on: June 08, 2007, 07:46:59 AM »
I just finished reading Slaughterhouse 5 and enjoyed it.  Odd storytelling style.  I started off reading it, not being all that enthralled with the book and then you're in the middle of Billy Pilgrim's ramblings and you're like "how did I get here?", but that sort of mirrors Billy Pilgrim, so it's cool.

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« Reply #128 on: June 08, 2007, 10:19:55 AM »
I think that Days of Thunder is an awesome movie. Top 3, along with Talladega Nights and Snakes on a Plane. I try to act sophisticated at parties, talking about Ayn Rand, Adam Smith, and all that, but when I'm asked for my favorite movie, I say Days of Thunder. And all of the sophisticates look at me like I'm distinguished mentally-challenged. And I quote the "rubbin's racin'" line, and they assume that I had a lobotomy.
























I never saw Top Gun, though. I've been meaning to do that...  :-*
I just finished reading Slaughterhouse 5 and enjoyed it.  Odd storytelling style.  I started off reading it, not being all that enthralled with the book and then you're in the middle of Billy Pilgrim's ramblings and you're like "how did I get here?", but that sort of mirrors Billy Pilgrim, so it's cool.
I had to read that in grade school, but I never finished it. I've always been meaning to pick it up again, though...
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« Reply #129 on: June 08, 2007, 12:07:51 PM »
I think that Days of Thunder is an awesome movie. Top 3, along with Talladega Nights and Snakes on a Plane.

I think you just won the thread. Holy shit.
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« Reply #130 on: June 08, 2007, 02:45:26 PM »
You should pretty much just be shot.
the story has good parts and if you reconstructed it, it could make a film worth watching.  the way it was written is pointless and there's really nothing for the reader to get out of it.  it's a gimmicky book but the whole aliens idea was good and they could have used that in a much better way.  I thought you'd hear about the aliens at the end, not the first 50 pages.

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« Reply #131 on: June 08, 2007, 03:44:20 PM »
Everything, according to this elitist forum.

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« Reply #132 on: June 08, 2007, 04:52:35 PM »
You should pretty much just be shot.
the story has good parts and if you reconstructed it, it could make a film worth watching.  the way it was written is pointless and there's really nothing for the reader to get out of it.  it's a gimmicky book but the whole aliens idea was good and they could have used that in a much better way.  I thought you'd hear about the aliens at the end, not the first 50 pages.

How is the way it is written pointless?  The way it is written is structured after how the tralfamadorians view/experience time.  This is even said in the book, I believe.
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« Reply #133 on: June 08, 2007, 07:22:27 PM »
which would be impressive in a movie because it could show the way a reader would interpret what's going on and contrast that with the alien's philosohpies.  that's not really something the WORDS in the book do.

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« Reply #134 on: June 08, 2007, 08:22:26 PM »
tv: Melrose Place
movies: motherfuckingTRON
music: Linkin Park (occasionally)
food: liver pudding and skins (although skins in the south are far superior the the pork-flavored styrofoam you get in the north)
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« Reply #135 on: June 08, 2007, 08:30:10 PM »
which would be impressive in a movie because it could show the way a reader would interpret what's going on and contrast that with the alien's philosohpies.  that's not really something the WORDS in the book do.

Most people think it works fine.  You're just simple-minded and probably shouldn't be talking about books.
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« Reply #136 on: June 08, 2007, 08:32:39 PM »
I'm simple minded because I think this simplifies it's whole concept too much?

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« Reply #137 on: June 08, 2007, 08:39:46 PM »
I'm simple minded because I think this simplifies it's whole concept too much?

You're simple-minded because you prefer pictures when words do the job better than a movie could.  Here's a hint:  There is a S5 movie.  It sucks ass.  Because its structure is impossible to translate into a movie. 
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« Reply #138 on: June 08, 2007, 08:46:20 PM »
I'm saying take the ideas on how life and death works to them and restructure the whole story (maybe even leave out WW2) to make a story that actually works.  if what he says about trying to write a war story is true in the first chapter, then he's an idiot if this is the book he got out of it.  he could have done it much better.

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« Reply #139 on: June 08, 2007, 10:34:58 PM »
Listen, the story DOES WORK.  Just because you didn't like doesn't mean it DEFINITIVELY DOES NOT WORK.  Believe it or not, the book is widely acclaimed, not just by critics, but by tons and tons of readers out there.  The defect, my friend, is with you.
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« Reply #140 on: June 08, 2007, 11:03:16 PM »
Music: The Doors, lots of old-school rap

Film: Wild Things.  This was probably my ideal movie at 15.

Lit: The Spencer novels.  I bought an armful of paperbacks one summer and it completely exposed how cookie-cutter they are.  Still, really smooth reads.

TV: Muppets and House.

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« Reply #141 on: June 08, 2007, 11:04:20 PM »
House is fuckin' good, though!
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« Reply #142 on: June 08, 2007, 11:05:02 PM »
I fail to see how House is "legitimately awful." Sure, it's formulaic as hell, but it's a damn good TV show!
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« Reply #143 on: June 08, 2007, 11:05:27 PM »
You beat me Drinky, but I don't feel like editing.
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« Reply #144 on: June 08, 2007, 11:07:04 PM »
i'd let hugh laurie stucker my pucker, fer sure.
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« Reply #145 on: June 08, 2007, 11:19:01 PM »
I love House, but it's not a well-crafted show or anything.  It has one actually well-written and well-acted character, and some decent medical puzzles (which are relying more and more on Agatha Christie resolutions).

The character stuff is just as super-formulaic as the medical stuff.  I mean, how many scenes do we need where House and Wilson take turns analyzing the other's motive for the last line of dialog?  I'm not saying the whole writing staff is made up of robots, but at least 40%.


Oh, add Star Trek: TNG to my list too.  That show has NOT aged well, but I tend not to change the channel when it's on.

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« Reply #146 on: June 08, 2007, 11:25:26 PM »
I think TNG has aged well, just because of the characters and actors.

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« Reply #147 on: June 09, 2007, 12:01:18 AM »
movie: tromaville stuff

tv: some of the scifi dramas that last like one season, invisible man, dresden files, etc

book: I'm too selective with books to have trash yet

games: fifa soccer is thought of as the inferior soccer game, but I've played my gc one raw.  I also like Eighting fighters like first Bloody Roar on PS2 and the GC one. I think they make the Naruto/One Piece fighters too.

None of it is really awful except tromavilla movies.

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« Reply #148 on: June 09, 2007, 12:01:56 AM »
Star Trek TNG is just as campy as the original series now, except instead of wacky campy you get (mostly) dated serious PC stuff.
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« Reply #149 on: June 09, 2007, 12:03:43 AM »
I know TNG is a low slower in comparison to modern scifi, but I was watching the 3 Lights episode the other day and it's still great.  Didn't feel campy to me.

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« Reply #150 on: June 09, 2007, 01:02:32 AM »
Listen, the story DOES WORK.  Just because you didn't like doesn't mean it DEFINITIVELY DOES NOT WORK.  Believe it or not, the book is widely acclaimed, not just by critics, but by tons and tons of readers out there.  The defect, my friend, is with you.
A. I am trying to give a very "unique" perspective only to piss people off.
B. I picked up the book for that reason.  Think about that.
C. I don't think it worked at all.

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« Reply #151 on: June 09, 2007, 01:11:42 AM »
I think that Days of Thunder is an awesome movie. Top 3, along with Talladega Nights and Snakes on a Plane.

I think you just won the thread. Holy shit.
Hey, it's got pre-crazy Tom Cruise and some great racing action.  :-*
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« Reply #152 on: June 09, 2007, 01:35:25 AM »
Listen, the story DOES WORK.  Just because you didn't like doesn't mean it DEFINITIVELY DOES NOT WORK.  Believe it or not, the book is widely acclaimed, not just by critics, but by tons and tons of readers out there.  The defect, my friend, is with you.

C. I don't think it worked at all.

Because you are functionally illiterate.
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« Reply #153 on: June 09, 2007, 01:45:23 AM »
Because you are functionally illiterate.
no the reasons I gave actually made sense.  putting them in this thread made no sense.  that would be a point against my common sense, politeness, etc. but not against my literacy.

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« Reply #154 on: June 09, 2007, 02:02:03 AM »
Because you are functionally illiterate.
no the reasons I gave actually made sense.  putting them in this thread made no sense.  that would be a point against my common sense, politeness, etc. but not against my literacy.

You made no points about the book that made sense.
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« Reply #155 on: June 09, 2007, 02:12:09 AM »
not in this thread, no.  If I actually made a thread explaining the problems I found throughout the book because of the way it was written then it would make sense.  I'm saying that it took an idea about life and death and rather than look for a way to explain it using literature, it tried to make a book that had aliens, WW2, and a optometrist.  there's better ways to explain life and death.  you really have a lot more freedom.

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« Reply #156 on: June 09, 2007, 02:22:16 AM »
Jesus fuck, I give up.  You are like using some sort of moon language or something.
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« Reply #157 on: June 09, 2007, 02:25:22 AM »
House is Matlock for this generation, which is fine, cause I loved Matlock too.
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« Reply #158 on: June 09, 2007, 02:32:54 AM »
Jesus fuck, I give up.  You are like using some sort of moon language or something.
moon, my ass.

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« Reply #159 on: June 09, 2007, 02:38:05 AM »
House is Matlock for this generation, which is fine, cause I loved Matlock too.

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Are You Being Served? gets thrown on to my pile, too.

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« Reply #160 on: June 09, 2007, 02:40:15 AM »
Jesus fuck, I give up.  You are like using some sort of moon language or something.
moon, my ass.

Was that a pun?   :lol

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« Reply #161 on: June 09, 2007, 02:43:57 AM »
no not really.

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« Reply #162 on: June 09, 2007, 02:50:46 AM »
no not really.

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« Reply #163 on: June 09, 2007, 02:51:26 AM »
House is Matlock for this generation, which is fine, cause I loved Matlock too.

Don't forget Murder She Wrote!
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