The "awesome" Wii image quality at work again with Resident Evil 4

[Mondain]

Yuck yuck yuck, damn this game is so ugly. It upscales so terribly. The whole picture looks dirty, aliased and brown. It looks like every Wii game that isn't completely colorful at all times will have those brownish tints. I'd reckon that the PS2 port when used on a PS3, will look better. And that really is no joke. The tackled on implementation of Wii Remote control isn't so awful (for once), but don't give your money to Capcom and Nintendo because they don't deserve it.

It's really unbelievable to discover how the GameCube had 3-4x times better image quality than its successor. 

[FatalT]

So should I skip out on getting the Wiimake and just play my Gamecube version instead? I was looking forward to seeing how the Wii controls worked, too.

[Mondain]

Well, aiming the gun to shoot zombies isn't so bad and is pretty cool, but for the rest... I don't see what the Wii enhances in this game at all.

Some parts feel like more of an hassle, like you have to tilt the Wiimote in order to hit with the knife, an unnecessary arm contortion for something that would feel better with just a button.

Unless anamorphic 16:9 is crucial to you, then yeah, it looks like it's preferable to skip this title.

[FatalT]

Fair enough. I play on a regular SDTV anyways. I'm sure after I played it for a bit I'd just get sick of it and not even finish it anyways seeing as though I've finished it a few times on the Gamecube. Thanks!

[AdmiralViscen]

Isn't knife-slashing also activated by a button? C, maybe?

[hyp]

not to be a dick, but did you really expect this game to look better on the wii?   i don't think capcom has ever made image enhancements to their re-releases aside from RE1 on the GC.  this is a renter for me since i own the GC version already.

[Mondain]

it's not a question of graphical enhancements, it's a question of the Wii's own poor video signal which ruins the whole experience

I still can't believe how well 480p GameCube games upscale even on 1080p HDTVs

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Two GameCubes duct taped together? More like half a GameCube amirite.

[hyp]

it's not a question of graphical enhancements, it's a question of the Wii's own poor video signal which ruins the whole experience

I still can't believe how well 480p GameCube games upscale even on 1080p HDTVs

your tv can upscale a 480p gamecube signal?  what tv do you have, i've gotta have that.

[Mondain]

wut? every flat-panel HDTV upscales any incoming source to its native resolution

it's simply a matter of how good its internal scaler is

and it helps when the source is clean and interference-free too... I really couldn't believe the difference seen when playing Ikaruga on both a Wii and a GameCube with component cables... the explosions had colors that looked SO rich on the latter, it was like a whole other game... whereas the former literally looked like shit with the brownish tints

greatly enhanced Zelda too... that's a really shitty move from Nintendo, ESPECIALLY at an age where we're all getting huge flat-panel HDTVs with gigantic resolutions that reveal all the blemishes of SDTV material

I'm think I'm going to keep all the great Wii games on the backburner (if some are ever released, that is), and wait to play them on the Wii's sucessor which according to Nintendo, will have PS3-like technology at a cheap price, and should be backward compatible with the previous generation... now we'll finally have acceptable picture quality out of Wii games, along with internal 1080p upconversion

[bork]

Well, aiming the gun to shoot zombies isn't so bad and is pretty cool, but for the rest... I don't see what the Wii enhances in this game at all.

The control.

Some parts feel like more of an hassle, like you have to tilt the Wiimote in order to hit with the knife, an unnecessary arm contortion for something that would feel better with just a button.

No you don't.  You can just hold down the knife button and slash with the attack button like normal.  I never did that waggle stuff.

Unless anamorphic 16:9 is crucial to you, then yeah, it looks like it's preferable to skip this title.

It looks just like the GC version, only with true 16:9.  RE4 has not aged well and doesn't look that great on an HDTV, but the controls are awesome and it looks decent enough.  It's worth checking out in you loved RE4 and also if you never played the PS2 version.  Separate Ways is a nice bonus.  If you felt satisfied with the game before, I wouldn't bother...nothing is actually new.

After having finished this game, my Wii has gone back to collecting dust again.  I really do wonder what's keeping this system selling so well.

[Mondain]

After having spent like five hours playing the game, I'm really not ready to say that the Wii controls provide an enhanced experience. It works decently enough, but all in all it feels like more of an hassle than the use of a traditional dual analog gamepad.

When you aim to fire the gun, you also have to use the nunchuk's analog stick in order to move the camera, so that the aiming dot faces enemies that might be off screen. To aim might be a little bit less instantaneous and precise than when using the remote, but it's easier to manage when gaming.

And a huge part of what makes RE4 look dated on Wii is definitely to blame on the system's mediocre video output.

After having finished this game, my Wii has gone back to collecting dust again.  I really do wonder what's keeping this system selling so well.

It's less than 250$. It's slim, a feature that has become an enormous trend (just look at the lingering success of the redesigned PS2). It has the look of an Ipod, and the controller looks like what it feels like to handle an Ipod. And because of this "trendy" allure, it's hyped a lot in the medias who otherwise wouldn't bother discussing games. When these types of casual audiences read about games, their cynicism doesn't run deep. That's it, that's all.

[Mondain]

JESUS THIS IS UGLY.  EVEN MY WIFE ASKED ME WHY IT LOOKED LIKE SHIT.  GAMECUBE .75 CONFIRMED.

"bubububububububububu AVSForum is wrong and Wii games looks even better than GameCube ones bububububububu"

[TVC15]

I'll confirm that this looks worse than the GC version.  It appears to have worse anti-aliasing. Any vertical lines you see on textures are very shimmery.  There's no argument when it comes to the Wii having worse IQ than the GC.

It plays pretty well though. 

[Oblivion]

JESUS THIS IS UGLY.  EVEN MY WIFE ASKED ME WHY IT LOOKED LIKE SHIT.  GAMECUBE .75 CONFIRMED.

I'll confirm that this looks worse than the GC version.  It appears to have worse anti-aliasing. Any vertical lines you see on textures are very shimmery.  There's no argument when it comes to the Wii having worse IQ than the GC.

It plays pretty well though. 

You guys bought the game?

[TVC15]

JESUS THIS IS UGLY.  EVEN MY WIFE ASKED ME WHY IT LOOKED LIKE SHIT.  GAMECUBE .75 CONFIRMED.

I'll confirm that this looks worse than the GC version.  It appears to have worse anti-aliasing. Any vertical lines you see on textures are very shimmery.  There's no argument when it comes to the Wii having worse IQ than the GC.

It plays pretty well though. 

You guys bought the game?

Yeah.  I figured it would naturally be a pretty good port.  People keep telling me to retry RE4 because I hated it the first umpteen times, I figured why not?  The game is utterly brilliant up until the escort missions kick in.

[Mondain]

great game, and one of last generation's finest, but honestly... I preferred the other main games in the Resident Evil series for the most part

they were mostly about exploration of dark areas, storytelling and mystery, whereas in this you constantly run around the environment and pick up items, it feels more like Tomb Raider with an horror setting than like the RE I used to know

you can see that CliffyB ripped it off big style when making Gears of War too

anyhow, I really can't believe how talented Capcom is for everything that concerns game cinematography, the original RE was a revolution in the world of games, and this also pushed the enveloppe a whole lot in early 2005... today it still looks extremely good, just fuck wow

[Solo]

I think it kicks the shit out of the GC version. It still looks pretty decent, and the Wii controls make the game so much better.

[bachikarn]

Wait, I don't get it. Why would the image signal or whatever sent out by a Wii be worse than the one sent out by a Gamecube?

[Mondain]

because Nintendo fucked up, and put a better digital chip in GameCube systems produced from 2001 to early 2004, or some shit like that

[bachikarn]

oh that's dumb

[Mondain]

for them, no, since that saves them about... 3$ per console... and about 98% of their consumers are too distinguished mentally-challenged to ever spot a difference

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I got bored with the game (on the PS2 version) when you're down in the mine shaft and you have to activate the puzzle with 3 fucking chainsaw guys. I quit

[Solo]

ZOMG finally I can rip shit up in The Mercenaries with the wiimote. Krauser + Wiimote = 5 star on every stage gold

[Shuri]

I have a wii, and frankly the lineup sucks for it.

[Trent Dole]

I have a wii, and frankly the lineup sucks for it.

bubububu METROID IN AUGUST!!!!1

[Mondain]

my Wii collection is a DVD+RW disc that's erased over and over again with the latest flavor of the week until some decent game exists

it's absurd that a system that is so shit actually exists

[MrAngryFace]

its absurd developers are developing for it period. but money talks and thats all that matters. death of gaming my friends. death of fuckin gaming.

[Mondain]

you actually feel too ripped off by its games to consider spending a goddamn 20 cents DVD-R on them! that never ever happened in like a decade! how can this be real, someone pinch me!

[Saint Cornelius]

what's more ridiculous: the success of the "shitty" Wii or the way you nerds get worked into a frenzy because of it?

[MrAngryFace]

apparently you dont want actual games to play

[Solo]

what's more ridiculous: the success of the "shitty" Wii or the way you nerds get worked into a frenzy because of it?

I'll take the latter. Watching MAF/Drinky/whoever huff and puff over this stuff is great.

[Saint Cornelius]

apparently you dont want actual games to play

apparently I have a 360 and all sorts of other means to get my game on

i really don't see the point of bitching to other hardkore nerds about how worthless the Wii is. what fucking DIFFERENCE does it make?

[Solo]

None. For every rant MAF makes, 10 more Wiis are sold. According to his theory, at that rate, GAMING AM DEAD NEXT MONTH.

[Himu]

You know, I don't think Wii is the death of gaming. I have nothing against Wii aside from the lack of technological prowess and (currently) extreme gimmicky controls in its games. If devs can develop games with controls that aren't ridiculous and suit the Wii, and offer good experience, I'm all for it. But if we get more SSX Blur's and Sonic and the Secret Rings, I'll be miffed.

Wii is only the death of gaming if a shift to non games and the like are created.

If we still get interesting looking games (No More Heroes) I won't complain, and the chances of devs completely abandoning 360 and ps3 is unlikely.

[MrAngryFace]

THE GAMES WILL STOP COMING IF WII WINS! MAKE YOUR TIME

[MrAngryFace]

You know, I don't think Wii is the death of gaming. I have nothing against Wii aside from the lack of technological prowess and (currently) extreme gimmicky controls in its games. If devs can develop games with controls that aren't ridiculous and suit the Wii, and offer good experience, I'm all for it. But if we get more SSX Blur's and Sonic and the Secret Rings, I'll be miffed.

Wii is only the death of gaming if a shift to non games and the like are created.

If we still get interesting looking games (No More Heroes) I won't complain, and the chances of devs completely abandoning 360 and ps3 is unlikely.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=9875.0

[Saint Cornelius]

THE GAMES WILL STOP COMING IF WII WINS! MAKE YOUR TIME

I hear the sky will fall, too!

[Himu]

You know, I don't think Wii is the death of gaming. I have nothing against Wii aside from the lack of technological prowess and (currently) extreme gimmicky controls in its games. If devs can develop games with controls that aren't ridiculous and suit the Wii, and offer good experience, I'm all for it. But if we get more SSX Blur's and Sonic and the Secret Rings, I'll be miffed.

Wii is only the death of gaming if a shift to non games and the like are created.

If we still get interesting looking games (No More Heroes) I won't complain, and the chances of devs completely abandoning 360 and ps3 is unlikely.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=9875.0

Keep the faith alive, brother.

[MrAngryFace]

THE FAITH IS DYING! IMAGINE A WORLD WITH PEOPLE HOPPIN UP N DOWN LIKE FOOLS WITH A WAGGLE WAND NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[AdmiralViscen]

What button winds up being the 'call/dismiss Ashley' button? It's not gonna be +, is it?

[Wobedraggled]

Ah the "mondain wii skidmark" show makes a stop here too.

heh.

[Mondain]

Jesus fuck out of boredom I tried Pokemon Battle Revolution to see how the game looked and FUCK IT'S UGLY!

Why has every Wii game such prominent BROWN tints? It's un-fucking-believable that I can play old interlaced PS2 games on a very high-rez HDTV LCD panel with MUCH better sharpness, MUCH better colors and MUCH less interference!

Wee-wee = ugliest picture quality ever, it's seriously inferior to that of a 20$ Taiwanese Wal-Mart DVD player

[Yeti]

give me your wii and pokemon battle revolution, I will enjoy them so you don't have to.

[Mondain]

err, you wouldn't like having a DVD+RW Fujifilm disc, bud

and no, I'll always keep it... someone must always be armed to counter-attack all this Internet heresy with claims based on empiricism

[DJ_Tet]

TVC, so you claim that the Wii image quality is worse than GC as well?  Fuck.

Mondain, can you find out exactly what year GC I need to rebuy for my collection?

I've got this game on both GC and Wii, and will likely pick up the GC Twilight Princess for my collection as well.  This is really shitty news to find out Nintendo, especially when I'm getting ready to buy an hdtv.

I'm going with a 45-50 Samsung DLP, is that a bad choice having a wii?  I'm going to get a 360 down the line, but the wii will be my console for the summer at least.

I heard wiis look better on some hdtvs than others, it depends on the scaler, but I can never find out any info about tv scalers and which ones are considered good.

[littlemathletics]

Why don't you buy a 360, then get the HDTV? Then you'd have a shiny new console for the summer, instead of a TV that is essentially pointless without some kind of HD input.

[MrAngryFace]

I like my gamecube...5 years later lol

[Mondain]

there really is something rotten in the Wii's video output, no matter how good an HDTV's scaler is, it's still going to look very very bad

if you want one of the good GameCube systems with component out, you need one that's manufactured between 2001 and like early 2004... don't know how to check that

but of course all brand new GameCube systems sold in stores don't have it

[MrAngryFace]

S-video is fine for gamecube.

[Mondain]

eh, progressive with component on GameCube is CRAZY good, definitely worth it

[MrAngryFace]

eh, its gamecube games. they dont look that good.

[DJ_Tet]

Why don't you buy a 360, then get the HDTV? Then you'd have a shiny new console for the summer, instead of a TV that is essentially pointless without some kind of HD input.

Well, I'd have HD cable, so it's not essentially pointless.  I don't really game that much anymore, and my current TV is dying a long slow death (I bet it's older than some/most on this forum).  It's essentially incapable of playing games without built in brightness adjusters, so Zelda Wii is unplayable on my current TV.  Getting a 360 for my current TV would be way more pointless then getting an HDTV for my wii.

[DJ_Tet]

but of course all brand new GameCube systems sold in stores don't have it

Yeah, I know I'd have to get a refurbished one.  My Gamestop has a few out on the shelves, I wonder if I could tell by the barcode.  There must be some way to check!

[DJ_Tet]

Why don't you buy a 360, then get the HDTV? Then you'd have a shiny new console for the summer, instead of a TV that is essentially pointless without some kind of HD input.

Well, I'd have HD cable, so it's not essentially pointless.  I don't really game that much anymore, and my current TV is dying a long slow death (I bet it's older than some/most on this forum).  It's essentially incapable of playing games without built in brightness adjusters, so Zelda Wii is unplayable on my current TV.  Getting a 360 for my current TV would be way more pointless then getting an HDTV for my wii.

Also, I forgot to say, but the 360 has been out 18 months without a price drop or hardware revision.  Only a moron would buy one right now, no offense if someone can't wait.  I'm not touching a 360 until at least a price drop and more likely a hardware revision.

[MrAngryFace]

Argh you avatar is giving me a headache. Too much brandy last night.

[littlemathletics]

Why don't you buy a 360, then get the HDTV? Then you'd have a shiny new console for the summer, instead of a TV that is essentially pointless without some kind of HD input.

Well, I'd have HD cable, so it's not essentially pointless.  I don't really game that much anymore, and my current TV is dying a long slow death (I bet it's older than some/most on this forum).  It's essentially incapable of playing games without built in brightness adjusters, so Zelda Wii is unplayable on my current TV.  Getting a 360 for my current TV would be way more pointless then getting an HDTV for my wii.

Also, I forgot to say, but the 360 has been out 18 months without a price drop or hardware revision.  Only a moron would buy one right now, no offense if someone can't wait.  I'm not touching a 360 until at least a price drop and more likely a hardware revision.

Fair points. I'm not convinced they'll be dropping the price anytime soon, but I might just be saying that because Michael Pachter says they will.

I bought my 360 when I still had a shitty SD TV. I think there's enough games to make it worthwhile, but I can see where you're coming from - especially if the TV is actually a bit fucked.

[Yeti]

Why don't you buy a 360, then get the HDTV? Then you'd have a shiny new console for the summer, instead of a TV that is essentially pointless without some kind of HD input.

Well, I'd have HD cable, so it's not essentially pointless.  I don't really game that much anymore, and my current TV is dying a long slow death (I bet it's older than some/most on this forum).  It's essentially incapable of playing games without built in brightness adjusters, so Zelda Wii is unplayable on my current TV.  Getting a 360 for my current TV would be way more pointless then getting an HDTV for my wii.

Also, I forgot to say, but the 360 has been out 18 months without a price drop or hardware revision.  Only a moron would buy one right now, no offense if someone can't wait.  I'm not touching a 360 until at least a price drop and more likely a hardware revision.

They did just release that "Elite" version though, so it will probably be a little while before either of those things.

[DJ_Tet]

Why don't you buy a 360, then get the HDTV? Then you'd have a shiny new console for the summer, instead of a TV that is essentially pointless without some kind of HD input.

Well, I'd have HD cable, so it's not essentially pointless.  I don't really game that much anymore, and my current TV is dying a long slow death (I bet it's older than some/most on this forum).  It's essentially incapable of playing games without built in brightness adjusters, so Zelda Wii is unplayable on my current TV.  Getting a 360 for my current TV would be way more pointless then getting an HDTV for my wii.

Also, I forgot to say, but the 360 has been out 18 months without a price drop or hardware revision.  Only a moron would buy one right now, no offense if someone can't wait.  I'm not touching a 360 until at least a price drop and more likely a hardware revision.

They did just release that "Elite" version though, so it will probably be a little while before either of those things.

Well, wasn't the Elite a limited edition?  I don't see what the Elite has to do with a price drop on an electronic item that's nearing 2 years old though.  There may not be a price drop this christmas, but if there isn't, I'd say MS is missing an opportunity.  I'll probably have to get one for Mass Effect if/when that game ever comes out.  Would be nice to have one for Halo 3 also, but it's not necessary for me.

[littlemathletics]

The Elite's not limited edition. Incidentally, I completely agree that MS would be missing a great opportunity if they don't drop the price, but I believe the gaming division is under a bit of pressure to stay profitable. They won't drop unless Sony forces their hand.