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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38640 on: March 02, 2021, 10:50:32 AM »
The only outrage Kyuuji has was the game got delayed so she has to wait to "Critique the game from a trans perspective for free"

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« Reply #38641 on: March 02, 2021, 11:00:47 AM »
The only outrage Kyuuji has was the game got delayed so she has to wait to "Critique the game from a trans perspective for free"

For free? Does a womxn not have the right to the fruits of their labor? Tier 3 Subscribe to her Patreon before you read the thread, coward.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38642 on: March 02, 2021, 11:01:02 AM »


I had totally missed this insanity :neogaf

What does the I and A stand for? I thought that was all covered under + ?
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38643 on: March 02, 2021, 11:04:47 AM »
Intersex  and asexual I think?

It was ally for a while until they got uppity and performative.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38644 on: March 02, 2021, 11:43:37 AM »
Surprised Ree hasn’t cancelled Jason Schreier yet. He literally is a hogwart

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« Reply #38645 on: March 02, 2021, 12:10:23 PM »


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People who want to fight oppression should join a socialist organization. They'll find very quickly that this online culture doesn't build power in real life.

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Funny how the neoliberal always tries to sneak in their opinion and wrap it around what they see as popular. The poster doesn't care about the opinion. They just want to associate bad with socialists.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38646 on: March 02, 2021, 12:28:29 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/○-°-graham-linehan-joined-a-queer-women’s-dating-app-to-share-trans-people’s-profiles-it-backfired-badly.387203/

Graham Linehan is a fucking freak, but since that dating app is for ‘Womxn and Queer Folx’, there needs to be some sort of double cancellation here. Oddly, nobody has noticed or mentioned the spelling, despite the heat in the Netflix thread.

Edit: ah no, someone spotted it!

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« Reply #38648 on: March 02, 2021, 12:31:48 PM »
should have sold that shit, sure they could have price gouged it, they probably smashed up the HP lego and then it got mixed in with their star wars legos and they're distraught

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38650 on: March 02, 2021, 12:41:28 PM »
Schrieeer not getting them free clicks after kissing their ass :show

I'm pretty sure bloomberg.com (which gets about 120 million visits a month) will do ok without a thousand clicks from a fringe forum.

Surprised Ree hasn’t cancelled Jason Schreier yet. He literally is a hogwart

They're showing how hypocritical they are by supporting him working for a huge media conglomerate run by a conservative billionaire.  But he's one of the few people in the industry left on there, so they will always give him a pass and ban anyone who would dare speak ill of him and his click-bait (I mean, journalism).

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« Reply #38651 on: March 02, 2021, 12:44:00 PM »
Just wait until those crazy bastards cancel :mario for being problematic for womxn
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38652 on: March 02, 2021, 12:48:01 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/○-°-graham-linehan-joined-a-queer-women’s-dating-app-to-share-trans-people’s-profiles-it-backfired-badly.387203/

Graham Linehan is a fucking freak, but since that dating app is for ‘Womxn and Queer Folx’, there needs to be some sort of double cancellation here. Oddly, nobody has noticed or mentioned the spelling, despite the heat in the Netflix thread.

Edit: ah no, someone spotted it!

I can't help but feel a bit off schadenfreude when they themselves don't know what the fuck is the right word to use. Mostly because they react so arrogantly whenever someone uses the wrong one or questions it

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« Reply #38653 on: March 02, 2021, 12:49:33 PM »
Big up the main man cerium for being a rare big tech tyrant who doesn't even need a complex and expensive series of algorithms and AI to cash in on the outrage economy :success

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38654 on: March 02, 2021, 12:51:27 PM »
Just wait until those crazy bastards cancel :mario for being problematic for womxn


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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38655 on: March 02, 2021, 01:21:01 PM »
how about instead us dudes can be mxn

mxn sounds cool, like a sports drink.
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« Reply #38656 on: March 02, 2021, 01:33:16 PM »
male+ :snob
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« Reply #38657 on: March 02, 2021, 01:33:26 PM »
Slayven, the wise, is surprised that the Irish are discriminated:

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Damn we regressing that hard that Irish are no longer white?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/secret-blacklist-prevented-people-with-irish-surnames-from-booking-in-resort.387371/

Holy shit.  :brain

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« Reply #38658 on: March 02, 2021, 01:34:46 PM »
mxn illegals  :trumps
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« Reply #38659 on: March 02, 2021, 01:34:57 PM »
Woah, what's that drive by posting

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« Reply #38660 on: March 02, 2021, 01:53:00 PM »
Slayven, the wise, is surprised that the Irish are discriminated:

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Damn we regressing that hard that Irish are no longer white?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/secret-blacklist-prevented-people-with-irish-surnames-from-booking-in-resort.387371/

Holy shit.  :brain

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By the way, should the title say blocklist or denylist rather than blacklist?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38661 on: March 02, 2021, 01:56:51 PM »
mxn illegals

I think those are lxtinys

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« Reply #38662 on: March 02, 2021, 01:58:51 PM »
Poor CoCo.

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« Reply #38663 on: March 02, 2021, 02:25:45 PM »
how about instead us dudes can be mxn

mxn sounds cool, like a sports drink.


mxn mexxenger?

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« Reply #38664 on: March 02, 2021, 02:29:31 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/hogwarts-legacy-lead-designer-is-troy-leavitt-a-game-developer-who-used-to-make-anti-feminist-and-pro-gamer-gate-videos-see-staff-post-added.381606/post-59869799
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Gonna be honest: it is objectively good to see that kind of gender option in character creation, but it’s kinda a laughable response when not only Rowling but now this guy are still attached.

If it truly was an internal push vs Warner going for good PR that makes it a bit better but... doesn’t really change anything.
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Still only supporting the inclusion of trans people in a virtual setting while continuing to actively hurt them in reality. Also feel this will be used as a cheap excuse to continue punching down at anyone who criticizes... basically any aspect of this mess. That they gave an impossibly generous olive branch and how dare anyone say anything.

Sorry, this just doesn’t feel right to me :/
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Good on the devs for pushing for it and doing what they can internally. This is where character creators should be in 2021 and they're helping that. Sadly it doesn't change anything at large though. It's still a product tied to an IP that aids in harming trans people and no amount of digital trans Wizards or Witches will counteract that.

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« Reply #38665 on: March 02, 2021, 02:30:18 PM »
Slayven, the wise, is surprised that the Irish are discriminated:

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Damn we regressing that hard that Irish are no longer white?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/secret-blacklist-prevented-people-with-irish-surnames-from-booking-in-resort.387371/

Holy shit.  :brain
The racial definitions used in the US are pretty fucking pointless applied to other places on Earth.
The stupor in that thread is the usual reaction of someone failing to understand this simple concept.

There should be peace in MENA areas and all populations of EAsia and SEAsia should all be singing kumbaya, since they're all "PoC" then.  ;)

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« Reply #38666 on: March 02, 2021, 02:32:40 PM »
This definitely seems like an attempt to smooth things over for the sake of sales. They're probably seeing very low preorder trends.

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« Reply #38667 on: March 02, 2021, 02:39:27 PM »
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Don't let this PR move blind you from the facts.
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Like this is great, but the lead designer seems like such a piece of shit that he wouldn't have allowed it in the game unless forced.
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"look at the news about our game. we need some positive buzz, not *gestures wildly* THIS"
"oh ok how about we give them what they want? We can still hate it behind locked doors?"
"yeah ok sounds good"
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she probably got them to add separate but equal bathrooms for the trans characters,
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lmao this is transparent as fuck come on guys
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This is like the most meaningless inclusion that you do to try and get people off your backs.

It doesn’t stop people from being transphobic and being a shitlord. It also doesn’t stop transphobic groups from using this as an example of overreach.

Ironically I’d prefer them to either go full on trans inclusion or not even bother with this. This is just muddying the waters in so many ways. It’s not true inclusion, as it’s such a small part of the game that only people really looking for it will notice, the guy still likely got his job even with WB knowing his shitlordness and JK Rowling is still making mad bank from this to still be transphobic and fund transphobic things.

It’s still overwhelmingly net negative at best and more negative at worse as it gives even more ammo to transphobic individuals and groups.
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This kind of shit is why I'm sceptical of the value of representation in fiction. Especially when it comes from others.
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This is nothing but a vaguely nice gesture. How about doing something that'd actually help people?

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« Reply #38668 on: March 02, 2021, 02:53:01 PM »
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While the devs were likely well-intentioned, something about this feels downright insidious. "You can be trans in our game :)" being used as a marketing point for a game that will stuff money into the pockets of one of the most influential and dangerous anti-trans perpetrators is just so disingenious. It's like a way to trick folks back into supporting the game, ignoring that the legislation Rowling has used her wealth and platform to push for is actually going to cause trans people to die, and likely already has.
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This is unquestionably a good thing. But it doesn't change the fact that she is profiting off this game and it doesn't change the fact that Troy Leavitt is still with the company.
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Probably aware all this is harm reduction since these features won't save trans women from the UK government

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« Reply #38669 on: March 02, 2021, 02:53:59 PM »
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While the devs were likely well-intentioned, something about this feels downright insidious. "You can be trans in our game :)" being used as a marketing point for a game that will stuff money into the pockets of one of the most influential and dangerous anti-trans perpetrators is just so disingenious. It's like a way to trick folks back into supporting the game, ignoring that the legislation Rowling has used her wealth and platform to push for is actually going to cause trans people to die, and likely already has.
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This is unquestionably a good thing. But it doesn't change the fact that she is profiting off this game and it doesn't change the fact that Troy Leavitt is still with the company.

Chriiiiist there is no pleasing these people  :lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38670 on: March 02, 2021, 02:54:28 PM »
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“It’s a weird time….Unless she did some truly horrible shit or said overtly racist shit,” Burr said about Carano. “I don’t know. I think there is just too many channels. And then you gotta do sensational shit…I don’t know what the fuck it is. I’m on that fucking show. Now, I gotta watch what the fuck I say.”
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“She was an absolute sweetheart. Super nice fucking person,” Burr later said of the actress. “And you know whatever and somehow someone will take this video and they’ll make me say something else and try to get rid of my bald action figure…It’s how it is out there. It’s fucking crazy times. People just waiting, laying in the weeds.”

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Oh even better, this got promoted to its own topic
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/

 :lol

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« Reply #38671 on: March 02, 2021, 03:10:53 PM »
I want to personally thank the people who pushed for this in a well meaning way.

However as a TransWoman I do absolutely fear that this is used as a shield (not by the people who pushed for It) by leads.

If the game gives you a way to share the information that you are Trans with those close to you, and depending on how people react to it then I’ll believe it was well intended.

If there is nothing deeper than having a high pitched voice and the Witch designation on the “Masculine” body type and it never allows you to speak of it in the world, then it’s not inclusive at least to me.

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« Reply #38672 on: March 02, 2021, 03:18:44 PM »
I want to personally thank the people who pushed for this in a well meaning way.

However as a TransWoman I do absolutely fear that this is used as a shield (not by the people who pushed for It) by leads.

If the game gives you a way to share the information that you are Trans with those close to you, and depending on how people react to it then I’ll believe it was well intended.

If there is nothing deeper than having a high pitched voice and the Witch designation on the “Masculine” body type and it never allows you to speak of it in the world, then it’s not inclusive at least to me.

That’s funny, considering I recall her being one of the splergs freaking out over voice pitch in Cyberpunk. Now voice pitch doesn’t matter.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38673 on: March 02, 2021, 03:24:48 PM »
Quote from: Bill Burr
“It’s a weird time….Unless she did some truly horrible shit or said overtly racist shit,” Burr said about Carano. “I don’t know. I think there is just too many channels. And then you gotta do sensational shit…I don’t know what the fuck it is. I’m on that fucking show. Now, I gotta watch what the fuck I say.”
Quote from: Bill Burr
“She was an absolute sweetheart. Super nice fucking person,” Burr later said of the actress. “And you know whatever and somehow someone will take this video and they’ll make me say something else and try to get rid of my bald action figure…It’s how it is out there. It’s fucking crazy times. People just waiting, laying in the weeds.”

Watch Era prove him wrong!
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Oh even better, this got promoted to its own topic
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/

 :lol

I like the editorialized title. lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38674 on: March 02, 2021, 03:31:03 PM »
This definitely seems like an attempt to smooth things over for the sake of sales. They're probably seeing very low preorder trends.

But you can't even pre order the game yet?  :huh

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« Reply #38675 on: March 02, 2021, 03:34:54 PM »

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« Reply #38676 on: March 02, 2021, 03:36:42 PM »
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It really gets on my nerves to see people in this thread play down the baggage attached to the term gamer. As usual on Era, those with the luxury to not have to deal with something because of their privilege, are very resistant to acknowledging that privilege in the first place.
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« Reply #38677 on: March 02, 2021, 03:37:39 PM »
Quote from: Bill Burr
“It’s a weird time….Unless she did some truly horrible shit or said overtly racist shit,” Burr said about Carano. “I don’t know. I think there is just too many channels. And then you gotta do sensational shit…I don’t know what the fuck it is. I’m on that fucking show. Now, I gotta watch what the fuck I say.”
Quote from: Bill Burr
“She was an absolute sweetheart. Super nice fucking person,” Burr later said of the actress. “And you know whatever and somehow someone will take this video and they’ll make me say something else and try to get rid of my bald action figure…It’s how it is out there. It’s fucking crazy times. People just waiting, laying in the weeds.”

Watch Era prove him wrong!
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Oh even better, this got promoted to its own topic
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/

 :lol

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"Now, I gotta watch what the fuck I say.” Is just so telling. What are you afraid of saying?

Well apparently he should be scared of expressing empathy for his co star.

Edit: Holy shit at how RE  loves to escalate things:

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"Now I have to watch what I say."

This is peak white people shit, I swear.
It's that, "Don't WE own the world, and can do whatever we want in it?" mentality.

Jim Crow lives on in their minds.

"I can't say the F word or N word? Wow, what group of people will I need to show a modicum of respect to NOW.... SHEESH..."

From "gotta watch what I say" to leader of the ku klux klan in three steps
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38678 on: March 02, 2021, 03:39:00 PM »
This definitely seems like an attempt to smooth things over for the sake of sales. They're probably seeing very low preorder trends.

But you can't even pre order the game yet?  :huh

0 preorders, JK TERFLING annihilated!
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« Reply #38679 on: March 02, 2021, 03:58:37 PM »
I love how they seem to think being able to play as a trans character in the game is a feature they just added a few days ago and not something that was planned to be in the game from the beginning.

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« Reply #38680 on: March 02, 2021, 04:11:24 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/epic-games-is-acquiring-tonic-games-group-parent-company-of-mediatonic-fall-guys-dev.387353/page-7

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EA hate was based on mostly valid stuff. Half the Epic stuff is bullshit, half-remembered reddit accusations and sinophobia.
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Can we stop with this stupid logic that people that don't like Tencent are sinophobic/xenophobic? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Disliking a massive corporation doesn't mean you hate the people of the country that corporation originates from.
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Indeed. It always weirds me out when people do this, especially given Tencent's involvement in China's horrific treatment of Uyghurs.
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Yup, it's a weird strawman

Benji, you know what to do  :juche
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38681 on: March 02, 2021, 04:14:51 PM »
I love how they seem to think being able to play as a trans character in the game is a feature they just added a few days ago and not something that was planned to be in the game from the beginning.

yea, but AS A RESPONSE TO THE CRITICISM BEING RAISED ABOUT INCLUSION

.......

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« Reply #38682 on: March 02, 2021, 04:27:10 PM »
Edit: Holy shit at how RE  loves to escalate things:

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"Now I have to watch what I say."

This is peak white people shit, I swear.
It's that, "Don't WE own the world, and can do whatever we want in it?" mentality.

Jim Crow lives on in their minds.

"I can't say the F word or N word? Wow, what group of people will I need to show a modicum of respect to NOW.... SHEESH..."

From "gotta watch what I say" to leader of the ku klux klan in three steps
...do they know who Bill Burr is?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38683 on: March 02, 2021, 04:32:55 PM »
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Don't let this PR move blind you from the facts.
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Like this is great, but the lead designer seems like such a piece of shit that he wouldn't have allowed it in the game unless forced.
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"look at the news about our game. we need some positive buzz, not *gestures wildly* THIS"
"oh ok how about we give them what they want? We can still hate it behind locked doors?"
"yeah ok sounds good"
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she probably got them to add separate but equal bathrooms for the trans characters,
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lmao this is transparent as fuck come on guys
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This is like the most meaningless inclusion that you do to try and get people off your backs.

It doesn’t stop people from being transphobic and being a shitlord. It also doesn’t stop transphobic groups from using this as an example of overreach.

Ironically I’d prefer them to either go full on trans inclusion or not even bother with this. This is just muddying the waters in so many ways. It’s not true inclusion, as it’s such a small part of the game that only people really looking for it will notice, the guy still likely got his job even with WB knowing his shitlordness and JK Rowling is still making mad bank from this to still be transphobic and fund transphobic things.

It’s still overwhelmingly net negative at best and more negative at worse as it gives even more ammo to transphobic individuals and groups.
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This kind of shit is why I'm sceptical of the value of representation in fiction. Especially when it comes from others.
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This is nothing but a vaguely nice gesture. How about doing something that'd actually help people?

let's check the era forgiveness playbook™

  • "they're doing a bad thing, so fuck them"
  • "yeah they stopped doing wrong but they didn't even apologize for it, so fuck them"
  • "yeah they apologized but it was the most weak ass apology that sounded more like sorry we got caught, so fuck them"
  • "yeah they gave a nice heartfelt apology but it was so by-the-book you know they were coached, so fuck them"
  • "yeah they established a charitable org dedicated to righting their past wrongs but you think I'm gullible enough to give them money now? fuck them"
  • "yeah it's been 10 years since they stopped doing anything wrong, but we need to make an example and drive home the point that this is unacceptable and stomp them into the pavement, fuck them"
  • "wait this was created by the son of the guy who did all that bad stuff 20 years ago? you just know he raised his son with those same shitty ideals, so fuck them"


  • "this guy is brazenly doing things I don't like and isn't even bothering to apologize for them? what the fuck, why aren't they apologizing?"

yeah I think I'll classify actively allowing people to play as a trans character as a proactive charitable addition to the game
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38684 on: March 02, 2021, 04:34:44 PM »
Meanwhile no trans options added to the mass effect remaster  :teehee

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38685 on: March 02, 2021, 04:56:52 PM »
Edit: Holy shit at how RE  loves to escalate things:

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"Now I have to watch what I say."

This is peak white people shit, I swear.
It's that, "Don't WE own the world, and can do whatever we want in it?" mentality.

Jim Crow lives on in their minds.

"I can't say the F word or N word? Wow, what group of people will I need to show a modicum of respect to NOW.... SHEESH..."

From "gotta watch what I say" to leader of the ku klux klan in three steps
...do they know who Bill Burr is?
Was he in a Marvel movie?
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« Reply #38686 on: March 02, 2021, 05:05:39 PM »
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Don't let this PR move blind you from the facts.
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Like this is great, but the lead designer seems like such a piece of shit that he wouldn't have allowed it in the game unless forced.
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"look at the news about our game. we need some positive buzz, not *gestures wildly* THIS"
"oh ok how about we give them what they want? We can still hate it behind locked doors?"
"yeah ok sounds good"
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she probably got them to add separate but equal bathrooms for the trans characters,
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lmao this is transparent as fuck come on guys
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This is like the most meaningless inclusion that you do to try and get people off your backs.

It doesn’t stop people from being transphobic and being a shitlord. It also doesn’t stop transphobic groups from using this as an example of overreach.

Ironically I’d prefer them to either go full on trans inclusion or not even bother with this. This is just muddying the waters in so many ways. It’s not true inclusion, as it’s such a small part of the game that only people really looking for it will notice, the guy still likely got his job even with WB knowing his shitlordness and JK Rowling is still making mad bank from this to still be transphobic and fund transphobic things.

It’s still overwhelmingly net negative at best and more negative at worse as it gives even more ammo to transphobic individuals and groups.
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This kind of shit is why I'm sceptical of the value of representation in fiction. Especially when it comes from others.
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This is nothing but a vaguely nice gesture. How about doing something that'd actually help people?
This is a prime example of why cancel culture needs to be addressed.

Dude does some edgy shit a decade ago in reaction to some dumb shit argument among Gamers™ and then gets his life together and makes a success of himself.

10 years later, and against all evidence to the contrary, people dredge up said edgy shit and then start running with their own version of events, putting words into his mouth and making some pretty shitty accusations without any fucking knowledge of his character or his personality. Throw in some guilt by association with JK Rowling and you've got the outrage mob all riled up on half truths and statements taken out of context. All the while he has no chance to defend himself and it would only make it worse if he tried.

Others, in search of internet clout, run with it and get all hyperbolic about his actual crimes and the next thing you know, the dude needs to be fired from his job and killed in the digital realm.

Meanwhile, the owner and current manager of Reeeeesetera have got some skeletons in their own closet, but they're on the "right side" and are "allies" so they get a free pass.

Fuck you if you support cancel culture.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38687 on: March 02, 2021, 05:14:17 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/labyrinth-of-galleria-is-one-of-2020s-best-games-but-you-probably-wont-be-playing-it-until-2022.346453/

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If you've been following Famitsu sales over the last few weeks, you probably know that Labyrinth of Galleria - the currently Japan-only sequel to 2016's (2018 in the west) Labyrinth of Refrain has been more than a bit of a bomb. It barely charted on PS4 it's FW, before falling off entirely. The Vita version, which actually got a physical release at the tail-end of 2020, didn't even chart.

I'll be blunt - It's probably the most fascinating game I've played all year, and I might end up calling it my GOTY.

Labyrinth of Refrain was already a very strong DRPG, and one of my favorite games I played in 2018. It had a very strong story, especially for a DRPG, with a sort of nuance that I honestly never had expected out of NIS. To say why that is the case is sadly to spoil the whole surprise of it all, but I'm sure folks that have played Refrain understand what I mean when I say that Galleria had some massive shoes to fill, in that regard.

As far as gameplay goes, while Refrain wasn't exactly the deepest DRPG when it came to exploration, it did offer a variety of unique features to the genre, and overall felt like a more than solid first attempt at one by a developer that had never made a DRPG before. The reinforcement system, and the way that you could use RF points to accomplish matters such as shielding your presence from enemies, breaking down certain walls, and more meant that what was on offer still felt very engaging to explore these dungeons. Refrain in particular did what I would say was an especially admirable job making each dungeon feel unique, and the 6 bosses that you needed to kill in order to unlock the game's true ending postgame were all a joy to discover and fight.

The Coven system is definitely the most unique aspect of the game as a whole - instead of slotting units into your party directly, you would slot pacts into each of the 5 party slots - pacts would have their own attributes, a maximum supported number of attacking and supporting units (up to 8), with their own equipped skills, party member requirements, and more. It was a very deep system, and it meant that you could have up to 40 party members at any given time - each party member themselves requiring you to select their stance, growth rate, and more.

At the end of the day it was a fantastic DRPG that brought a lot to the table. Like many other DRPGs I'd say most non-boss encounters became cakewalks over time, but that's by no means a rare issue for the genre, and the variety of mini-bosses scattered across each dungeon more than made up for matters, in my opinion.

...in almost every way, Galleria is a massive step up from Refrain, building upon the vast majority of its ideas, and adding its own.

First off - the story. While it might sound weird to say this after praising Refrain's story so much earlier, it was definitely an abrasive experience, to put it mildly. The relationship between Dronya and Luca wasn't exactly great for most of the story, and while I'd say the game does ultimately stick the landing here, it takes a while for players to really grow any attachment to them. Additionally, you, the Player Character - the Tractatus de Monstrum - hardly factors into the plot, to the point you'd be forgiven for forgetting that the little book is even technically a character for most of it.

Galleria's dynamic between Eureka and Madame Malta is immediately more palpable, and while there are still abrasive moments here and there, I'd argue that the game still handles these scenes with more delicacy versus some similar scenes in Refrain. The player character - the Wandering Soul - now plays a much more active role in the story. There's a deliberate connection between you and Eureka, and the form you take is an adorable little one-eyed green blob, versus the unassuming book in the first game. Madame Malta teases Eureka, but unlike Dronya she's never truly nasty to her - and the relationship that they share for most of the game is actually pretty cute. Malta is an old coot, and more of the kind-yet-crotchety old witch archetype than the downright evil one that Dronya more closely represents.

Gameplay also has seen quite a few upgrades. First and foremost is the addition of the Liberation system - every Pact now has a built-in super skill that can be activated once a bar is completely filled. It could be an AOE attack that hits every enemy on the field, dealing huge Stun damage, it could be a counter-type move that works similar to Bide in Pokemon, or it could be a more traditional buff or debuff. There's a much larger variety of Facets this time around, too, including some adorable feline companions to add to your party!

As for dungeon-crawling, players now gain access to a variety of new moves. You can now dive underwater to explore while taking care to worry about your oxygen supply. You can shine a magical light or a dark light to reveal hidden items or clear illusions respectively. Some areas that can be revealed with the magical light allow you to jump long gaps, while others allow you to hop over walls of spikes. In addition to everything else, there are now cursed sections of the map where you must either leave them or find a quiet location to quite literally regain your sanity or else you'll take an increasing amount of damage as you continue to explore.

Although each dungeon felt more like it had it's own story and theme in Refrain - the name of the game in Galleria is much more about exploration. Each floor feels more open-ended, and you'll be looping up and down floors to progress forward more in the beginnings hours of Galleria than most of Refrain. It does sort of feel like NIS designed these dungeons with players already familiar with Refrain in mind, which might be a bit of a problem for newcomers, but at the end of the day they're a blast to explore - and there's even a bunch of optional magical curious for you to discover, 1 on each floor in addition to the main objective of the game - discovering the peculiar magical artifacts.

There's much more I'd like to talk about regarding both the story and the gameplay, but it revolves around spoilers that I think most folks should discover for themselves - here's some more information if you're ok being spoiled about story events 30+ hours into the game:


SPOILER: NO SERIOUSLY, THIS IS COOL, BUT YOU SHOULD SEE IT FOR YOURSELF!

It's a bold decision, that strikes me as something akin to what Yoko Taro loves to do with his games and their narratives. I'm not finished with the game yet, and from all I have gathered from other impressions it's likely going to take me over 80 hours to see the end of the basegame, and over 100 to see the true ending - but everything I've played so far is a bold direction for the sequel to take. Clearly, both expanding upon the original game's ideas while not forcing themselves to be constrained to what Refrain was, or was trying to be.

Everything about this game feels like a paradox. The release platforms and release year, the ambition within the confines of the genre and story, and everything else. There are certain parts of the game that are a little disappointing so far - enemy variety isn't quite as good as Refrain had to offer, for one, and the increased emphasis on the story outside of the dungeons means that most of the dungeons lack the same narrative thread that the locales in Refrain offered - but it's still an incredibly bold title, and makes me very curious to see how folks will react to it whenever it makes it over to the west.

...Unfortunately, owing to both the size of the script and the unfortunate choice of release platforms, we likely won't see this game over in the west until early 2022 at the earliest. While I've been happy to play this on my Vita, clearly it wasn't the best choice of platform for the game in 2020, and it's more than a bit ironic that I'm playing the sequel to I game I had originally played on the Switch on the Vita.

I know it's going to be a while before most folks that enjoyed Refrain, or anyone really, will get to play this - but considering the sheer lack of import impressions, I felt like I had to say something about the game, so folks at least keep it on their radar for when it eventually gets localized. Above all else, Galleria is the type of experiment that deserves support. I love it when pre-established devs go outside of their comfort zone and tackle a project with all the ambition that they could muster. Playing Galleria you can tell how much love the team put into the project, how much they cared about both the game that they were creating, as well as the story that they're trying to tell. It'd be a shame if it ends up bombing here, too.

Oi Oi

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38688 on: March 02, 2021, 05:41:28 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/hogwarts-legacy-lead-designer-is-troy-leavitt-a-game-developer-who-used-to-make-anti-feminist-and-pro-gamer-gate-videos-see-staff-post-added.381606/post-59891477

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What scares me is if ERA would be a government than it probably wouldn’t be any better than any alt-right guys.
Don't even know what to say.

Damn, they are still upset the person who posted this yesterday didn't get banned.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38689 on: March 02, 2021, 05:44:45 PM »
A day later and that person hasn't been perma'd? Damn. Maybe even some of the mods secretly agree with that take.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38690 on: March 02, 2021, 05:51:53 PM »
Edit: Holy shit at how RE  loves to escalate things:

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"Now I have to watch what I say."

This is peak white people shit, I swear.
It's that, "Don't WE own the world, and can do whatever we want in it?" mentality.

Jim Crow lives on in their minds.

"I can't say the F word or N word? Wow, what group of people will I need to show a modicum of respect to NOW.... SHEESH..."

From "gotta watch what I say" to leader of the ku klux klan in three steps
...do they know who Bill Burr is?
Was he in a Marvel movie?

Close enough, he was in the mandolorian exclusively on Disney+

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38692 on: March 02, 2021, 06:01:03 PM »
https://kotaku.com/trans-inclusion-means-more-than-just-adding-potential-g-1846388481
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The possible customization options are similar to those used by Cyberpunk 2077, which linked player characters’ pronouns to their voice while allowing for a range of body options. It’s an approach that makes sense for the limitations of video game character creators, but it’s also a retrograde one. A “mismatch” between someone’s voice and their appearance has long been played for transphobic laughs against trans women in movies and television, relying on a tired, offensive stereotype of a feminine-appearing woman with a deep voice as a way to convey transness.

Games’ recent explorations into expanding gender identities seem to rely on contrasts as a model for transness before funneling trans characters back into a binary view of gender in the game’s world. In this instance, the game sorts players back into binary gendered dorms. These design choices can make transness meaningless and leave out non-binary players. They feel like a nod to the existence of trans people, without fully exploring what it means for a character to actually be trans (something having an actual trans character, as Bloomberg reports the Hogwarts Legacy team pushing for, could address).

Speaking as a trans man, my voice and body “match” due to hormones, making gender options like this functionally useless in creating a trans male character. (In this regard, Cyberpunk was able to bring in another layer by adding genitals into the mix, something I would certainly not expect a video game about teenagers to do.) I don’t think of my gender as a bunch of pick-and-choose options—my body is a trans body. My voice is a trans voice. A video game character creator could make space for me by just letting me click a box that says “trans guy” from a range of gender options. That’s not necessarily the answer—a scrolling list of genders would be unwieldy and inherently limiting, for starters—but these options continue to remind me of all the ways many video games haven’t yet figured out how to fully imagine trans people. I don’t personally need them to, and I’m in no way a Harry Potter fan eager to play this game. But I can’t help sigh a bit, even as I admire these steps forward.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38694 on: March 02, 2021, 06:11:26 PM »
Right and if they publicly do so, it will just be "an attempt at good PR, it means nothing"

And   :lol at the fun looking fantasy wizard game suddenly stopping mid game, turning towards the camera and delivering a monologue JCVD style about her harmful views. What fucking warped reality do these idiots live in?


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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38695 on: March 02, 2021, 06:17:28 PM »
https://kotaku.com/trans-inclusion-means-more-than-just-adding-potential-g-1846388481
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The possible customization options are similar to those used by Cyberpunk 2077, which linked player characters’ pronouns to their voice while allowing for a range of body options. It’s an approach that makes sense for the limitations of video game character creators, but it’s also a retrograde one. A “mismatch” between someone’s voice and their appearance has long been played for transphobic laughs against trans women in movies and television, relying on a tired, offensive stereotype of a feminine-appearing woman with a deep voice as a way to convey transness.

Games’ recent explorations into expanding gender identities seem to rely on contrasts as a model for transness before funneling trans characters back into a binary view of gender in the game’s world. In this instance, the game sorts players back into binary gendered dorms. These design choices can make transness meaningless and leave out non-binary players. They feel like a nod to the existence of trans people, without fully exploring what it means for a character to actually be trans (something having an actual trans character, as Bloomberg reports the Hogwarts Legacy team pushing for, could address).

Speaking as a trans man, my voice and body “match” due to hormones, making gender options like this functionally useless in creating a trans male character. (In this regard, Cyberpunk was able to bring in another layer by adding genitals into the mix, something I would certainly not expect a video game about teenagers to do.) I don’t think of my gender as a bunch of pick-and-choose options—my body is a trans body. My voice is a trans voice. A video game character creator could make space for me by just letting me click a box that says “trans guy” from a range of gender options. That’s not necessarily the answer—a scrolling list of genders would be unwieldy and inherently limiting, for starters—but these options continue to remind me of all the ways many video games haven’t yet figured out how to fully imagine trans people. I don’t personally need them to, and I’m in no way a Harry Potter fan eager to play this game. But I can’t help sigh a bit, even as I admire these steps forward.

BUT YOU ASKED FOR THIS  :lol

And doesn't transness inherently subscribe to a binary gender construct? If there's nothing binary there would be nothing to transition to

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38696 on: March 02, 2021, 06:19:00 PM »
I feel bad for the AFAB wizard dude just trying to slide into the boy’s dorm without a fuss.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38697 on: March 02, 2021, 06:21:18 PM »
BUT YOU ASKED FOR THIS  :lol

And doesn't transness inherently subscribe to a binary gender construct? If there's nothing binary there would be nothing to transition to
FACT CHECK:
https://twitter.com/OhMiaGod/status/1366797446878265349

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #38698 on: March 02, 2021, 06:22:05 PM »
Maybe these always online assholes could actually talk to J K rowling and find out what her views actually are for a change, instead of screaming at her to fucking die on the basis of what her views are assumed to be?

Nah, that won't happen.

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