Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[HaughtyFrank]

BUT YOU ASKED FOR THIS 

And doesn't transness inherently subscribe to a binary gender construct? If there's nothing binary there would be nothing to transition to

FACT CHECK:

So have they already moved on from "trans women are women" because damn if that isn't all about the binary.

[Nintex]

You can never do it right.
Just ignore the reeing until they find another target and cater to your fans.

[ShutUp]

All this rage. Game still gonna break records in sales. Basically Cyberpunk 2.0 but making even more money than that game has. A lot more money.

[Don Rumata]

https://kotaku.com/trans-inclusion-means-more-than-just-adding-potential-g-1846388481

The possible customization options are similar to those used by Cyberpunk 2077, which linked player characters’ pronouns to their voice while allowing for a range of body options. It’s an approach that makes sense for the limitations of video game character creators, but it’s also a retrograde one. A “mismatch” between someone’s voice and their appearance has long been played for transphobic laughs against trans women in movies and television, relying on a tired, offensive stereotype of a feminine-appearing woman with a deep voice as a way to convey transness.

Games’ recent explorations into expanding gender identities seem to rely on contrasts as a model for transness before funneling trans characters back into a binary view of gender in the game’s world. In this instance, the game sorts players back into binary gendered dorms. These design choices can make transness meaningless and leave out non-binary players. They feel like a nod to the existence of trans people, without fully exploring what it means for a character to actually be trans (something having an actual trans character, as Bloomberg reports the Hogwarts Legacy team pushing for, could address).

Speaking as a trans man, my voice and body “match” due to hormones, making gender options like this functionally useless in creating a trans male character. (In this regard, Cyberpunk was able to bring in another layer by adding genitals into the mix, something I would certainly not expect a video game about teenagers to do.) I don’t think of my gender as a bunch of pick-and-choose options—my body is a trans body. My voice is a trans voice. A video game character creator could make space for me by just letting me click a box that says “trans guy” from a range of gender options. That’s not necessarily the answer—a scrolling list of genders would be unwieldy and inherently limiting, for starters—but these options continue to remind me of all the ways many video games haven’t yet figured out how to fully imagine trans people. I don’t personally need them to, and I’m in no way a Harry Potter fan eager to play this game. But I can’t help sigh a bit, even as I admire these steps forward.

BUT YOU ASKED FOR THIS 

And doesn't transness inherently subscribe to a binary gender construct? If there's nothing binary there would be nothing to transition to

[Nintex]

I like how Schreier and his shitty Kotaku friends try to make ResetEra relevant but they aren't.
Most of them aren't even remotely interested in buying video games except for their very narrow tastes.

Because they can't afford video games they are looking for dumb excuses to not buy them so they can hide the fact that they are poor.
NeoGAF used to have these ballers spending $10000 a month on video games, anime figurines and arcade cabinets. ResetEra has like 3 people left with a gaming setup.

Pathetic

[Averon]

The attempt by WB employees to include trans characters in the game seems to have only made the mob angrier 
You gotta feel for the WB employees watching this reaction after pushing to include trans characters in the game. Their hand got bit by the very people they wanted to show support to.

At this point, the better play is to ignore the mob and finish the game. They are, at this point, too invested in demonizing the game and anyone attached to it. You virtue signaling to them that you are a "good ally" only them further

[Lonewulfeus]

Abbott and his legs are equally useful.

 

[benjipwns]

Oh even better, this got promoted to its own topic
https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/

 

From the bottom of page four:

So it’s 21m32s in the Bill and Bert podcast from last week for context. I suggest people listen, they only tell Bill one thing she said on Twitter. I wish he would’ve educated himself but my god news articles on this are very disingenuous saying this is him coming out in support of her lmao. He barely even says anything in relation to her and doesn’t even know about it.

Yeah I read the article and knew it was bullshit since I listened to the podcast. They bring up that she is no longer on the show, Bert asks what did she Tweet, Derosa paraphrases her, and Bill says on the set "she was an absolute sweetheart."

That's it! That's all he says about her!

That's where he knows her from, and he doesn't keep up with the news. Overblown story as he expected it would be.

Actual timestamp:

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Bill burr will survive to be canceled another day:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/page-4#post-59904221

Slayven legit thinks bill burr abuses his wife though:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/page-4#post-59905670

A true hero emerges:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/page-5#post-59906318

 

[benjipwns]

Burr has been shit so this is completely unsurprising to anyone paying attention.
There's a reason many here lumped him in with Gervais and Chappelle.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/page-5#post-59906318

The woke mob on this site are toxic as fuuuuck. Can’t even be bothered to watch a clip in context.

Bill Burr is a human piece of shit because he has a questionable take once in awhile? He’s a racist because he thinks Gina comparing the Jewish struggle to the “Republican struggle” is merely a stupid and terrible comparison? Is this really what we are doing now?

I assure you Bill has done more charity work than any miserable hyper woke fuck on this site.

I learned a while back that a whole lot of people can't seem to be bothered to fact check or look into things themselves here. So much negativity thrown around and people seemingly can't wait to pounce on others and attack them.

it's happening again, mods help

[Potato]

https://twitter.com/racheline_m/status/1366785471578308612

IDEOLOGICAL PURITY AT ALL COSTS!!! KILL THE UNBELIEVERS! NO REPENTANCE ACCEPTED!! ALLOW NO UNORTHODOX THOUGHT OR OPINION!!!

[benjipwns]

Broadly speaking, this site is no longer a reliable source of actual progressives; it's mostly just woke white libs ripping hair from scalp over every infringement and sin they can find, continually proving right-wingers right about cancel culture while in the same breath claiming it doesn't exist.

oof

[Nintex]

Have they not learned anything? We know who the mods are going to side with

 

[Potato]

The attempt by WB employees to include trans characters in the game seems to have only made the mob angrier 
You gotta feel for the WB employees watching this reaction after pushing to include trans characters in the game. Their hand got bit by the very people they wanted to show support to.

At this point, the better play is to ignore the mob and finish the game. They are, at this point, too invested in demonizing the game and anyone attached to it. You virtue signaling to them that you are a "good ally" only them further

At this stage, the best solution when you are targeted for cancellation is to ignore it and don't engage. Things will only get worse. If you ignore it, you will get dumped on for a couple weeks and then the ADHD fuck ups will move on to another target. Either that, or lean into the controversy and end up in a better position due to the coverage.

[Nintex]

You just gotta bunker down and hold out, eventually they'll get tired

If I was WB I would drop a trailer

[Potato]

Textbook case study on how to deal with cancel culture

http://www.digitaltrainingacademy.com/casestudies/2015/04/beach_body_wars_controversial_posters_spark_social_media_backlash.php

A London poster ad featuring a bikini-clad model next to the words "Are you beach body ready?" has sparked a social media backlash. But it also made Protein World, the company behind the campaign, around £1m in sales within just four days. This case study looks at the one of the most controversial ads on the year and asks whether there really is no such thing as bad publicity…

Despite the negative reaction, Protein World remain unapologetic- and even took to social media to argue against the protesters. The ad was also discussed on Twitter and blogging platform Tumblr, which has a strong reputation for tackling social issues.

Richard Staveley, head of marketing at Protein World, said 84% of his customers were female and many said they wanted to see "aspirational" images to help them lose weight.

"We've got a customer base of 300,000 and we did meticulous research and spoke to a large cross-section of our female customers who said this is exactly what they wanted to see," he said.

CEO and head of marketing took over the Twitter account for the week after the controversy started.

More discussion here https://blogs.brighton.ac.uk/jjb23/2017/02/28/protein-world-a-lesson-in-social-media-damage-control/

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Feels like a few people on this page should probably log off and think about not logging back in again.

Is that a threat?

[benjipwns]

Getting the next thread ready:
https://twitter.com/alienbooti/status/1366779948313309193
https://twitter.com/wynndawnstrider/status/1366781003155472386
https://twitter.com/WulfGrendel/status/1366795485743308800

[benjipwns]

omg look who i found in the replies:
https://twitter.com/VoicesOfViolet/status/1366921946718298118

[benjipwns]

Honestly at this point it's probably for the best the epic games store and. Steam become seperate platforms. Because man these threads are just unproductive toxic wastelands.

what

[D3RANG3D]

 

[HaughtyFrank]

If that stuff is true that’s not good, but I just don’t get ERAs behavior of regularly putting someone in the pillory. Look I’m by no means alt-right nor a trump supporter or Pro Gamergate/Anti SJW or whatever, but what I don’t get is that so many people from the industry here get crucified, banned or boycotted etc pp without even being asked about it?! I mean ok for obvious cases like the whole Ubisoft disaster I’ll get it.
What scares me is if ERA would be a government than it probably wouldn’t be any better than any alt-right guys. There is no court, no benefit of the doubt, no possibility for those people to explain or defend or getting a chance to right their wrongs.

Instead of actually talking to those accused people, asking them about the stuff and see how they respond or give them a chance to defend and explain themselves, maybe even to apologize there is at least one thread a week where someone gets pointed out, accused and crucified with lots of era users saying they won’t buy game x/y.

There are lots of hard working people behind those games and all you can do is accuse one of them and then boycott the whole game without even asking the accused person about it or give the rest of the team the benefit of the doubt nor respect. I mean WTF?! That’s like in the dark ages when someone shouted WITCH(ER) and everyone burns or lapidates the person without even asking. That’s just sick! And that is something I can’t stand that much longer on this board tbh.

Thank you for posting this… i feel exactly the same.

Yeah this place can really be toxic like that and I hope this sort of behavior weeds itself out. Surely it has to.

People who want to fight oppression should join a socialist organization. They'll find very quickly that this online culture doesn't build power in real life.

Feel exactly the same way

Yep. And this is one of the more absurd examples I’ve seen of it.

You summed up my feelings of recent months on Era, it's like peoples are guilty until proven otherwise.

MODS HELP

I'm shocked he hasn't been banned (yet). That's way too much truth

Mods are still reviewing the large amount of reports that are being generated, after which we'll send them to the Resetera mods.

User Banned (1 Week): Metacommentary, whataboutism, dismissive commentary

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-the-ps5-version-of-oddworld-soulstorm-is-one-of-your-playstation-plus-games-for-april.385076/post-59778302

 

[remy]

Told ya. Morrigan special. 1-2 days later. After the thread has died. Where no one can see. Over a comment that didn't disrupt the forum in any particular way. Just to punish someone for making them feel bad about the state of their site.

Love resetera.com founded on ~ TRANSPARENCY ~

[Crumb]

Lol of course they banned him when no one is looking.

[Potato]

Told ya. Morrigan special. 1-2 days later. After the thread has died. Where no one can see. Over a comment that didn't disrupt the forum in anyway particular way. Just to punish someone for making them feel bad about the state of their site.

Love resetera.com founded on ~ TRANSPARENCY ~

...and anyone that mentions it will be permed for questioning the mods. Fucking pathetic.

[BikeJesus]

Mod fragility in action. He hurt their feefees and now he must suffer.

[benjipwns]

MODS HELP

User Banned (1 Week): Metacommentary, whataboutism, dismissive commentary

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-the-ps5-version-of-oddworld-soulstorm-is-one-of-your-playstation-plus-games-for-april.385076/post-59778302

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indiewire-mandalorian-actor-bill-burr-defends-gina-carano-complains-about-cancel-culture.387431/page-5#post-59906318

The woke mob on this site are toxic as fuuuuck. Can’t even be bothered to watch a clip in context.

Bill Burr is a human piece of shit because he has a questionable take once in awhile? He’s a racist because he thinks Gina comparing the Jewish struggle to the “Republican struggle” is merely a stupid and terrible comparison? Is this really what we are doing now?

I assure you Bill has done more charity work than any miserable hyper woke fuck on this site.

it's happening again, mods help

User Banned (Permanent): Trolling and antagonizing other users over a series of posts. History of severe warnings

thank you mods

[Snoopycat_]

My wife has decided that if she's buying the game, she will buy it used and we'll donate however much we spent on the game to a local charity that provides food, shelter, and clothing for young trans people who have been kicked out of their homes.

I love watching these sanctimonious twats finding different loopholes and excuses to justify their video game purchases.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hogwarts-legacy-senior-producer-troy-leavitt-a-game-developer-who-used-to-make-anti-feminist-and-pro-gamer-gate-videos-see-staff-post-added.381606/page-26

[ShutUp]

Sure they will. They are still going to fucking buy the game. When you are boycotting something, you don't purchase whatever it is AT ALL.

Era slacktivism never fails though.

[Superstar]

Broadly speaking, this site is no longer a reliable source of actual progressives; it's mostly just woke white libs ripping hair from scalp over every infringement and sin they can find, continually proving right-wingers right about cancel culture while in the same breath claiming it doesn't exist.

oof

How's this dude not banned yet

[remy]

Told ya. Morrigan special. 1-2 days later. After the thread has died. Where no one can see. Over a comment that didn't disrupt the forum in any particular way. Just to punish someone for making them feel bad about the state of their site.

Love resetera.com founded on ~ TRANSPARENCY ~

I don't even get why they do this, the purpose of moderation of forums is to keep discussions flowing smoothly. If someone said something and didn't convey any overt hatespeech, or derail a conversation and disrupt the forum completely with bad behaviour, why do you need to ban them three days later just because they said something you don't like?

why are the two worst offenses offering input on moderation and complaining about astroturfing?

even when morrigan swept that xenoblade 2 thread it was more because someone implied a then protected now banned member with a soft porn avatar was a misogynist flying under the radar (which they were) rather than people saying horrible stuff.

[Snoopycat_]

Why? because they're petty, vindictive narcissists with broken egos and miserable lives. If they were Chinese they'd be concentration camp guards

[benjipwns]

They think that "productive discussion" is when everyone is agreeing with each other and signaling properly.

[railGUN]

I don’t think cancel culture exists and we should stop giving the term credence.

Literally wants to cancel cancel culture omglol

[PogiJones]

Tbf, that's not wanting to cancel cancel culture. It's wanting to cancel "cancel culture." What I want is to cancel cancel culture.

[samir]

The reason why they have such a hard on for cancel culture is that they would never be in a position where they could get unjustly affected by it. It's not like someone is going to get cancelled from stocking shelves at Walmart.

[PogiJones]

After all, sometimes you gotta speak in the movie theater to tell someone to stop speaking during the movie. It is what it is.

[Potato]

I don’t think cancel culture exists and we should stop giving the term credence.

Literally wants to cancel cancel culture omglol

Cancel Culture isn’t real. It’s just people being fired for saying or doing stupid things. They aren’t “cancelled”, they are simply fired from their jobs. People have been getting fired for awhile, for all sorts of reasons.

The problem is not people getting fired for saying or doing stupid things. That has always justifably happened and will continue to happen.

The problem is when people use mildly stupid things said by a person and then exaggerate, take things it of context and flat out make stuff up to whip up more outrage and then a virtual lynch mob is formed and regardless of whether the original transgression warrants the person being fired or not, the only way to assuage the bloodlust of the mob is to give them what they want.

Conflating someone like Harvey Weinstein with JK Rowling or even some schmuck who made a few silly rebuttal videos to Feminist Frequency bullshit is just fucking idiotic. Those Feminist Frequency videos were severely flawed anyway and would never have stood up to any sort of academic standards. It doesn't make the guy a Nazi, nor a misogynist either.

[BisMarckie]

Academic standards

[Don Rumata]

People use the term "consequences", as if it had some kind of absolute, virtuous value.
Getting a bad stare and getting stoned to death are both "consequence".
In and out of itself it means nothing, the proportion between crime and appropriate punishment, is where the debate lies.

And the bar for what offense fucks you out of a job, your livelihood, has been lowered by "virtue" of being enforced by internet mobs.
Many times that's been fine and reasonable, sometimes it hasn't (in my opinion), but a mob looking for the next dopamine rush isn't, in general, a great tool for "just" retribution, whatever that means.

[Coax]

The problem is when people use mildly stupid things said by a person and then exaggerate, take things it of context and flat out make stuff up to whip up more outrage and then a virtual lynch mob is formed and regardless of whether the original transgression warrants the person being fired or not, the only way to assuage the bloodlust of the mob is to give them what they want.

There was a good TED talk years ago about this. It has become a form of entertainment for some.

[Uncle]

the other problem is one that in other contexts, era even recognizes: in our current society your job is what keeps you alive, most people are living paycheck to paycheck and one slip means no rent and utilities which means possibly homeless which starts the spiral

and in some threads era will feign empathy for those caught up in the system, those struggling, half the time they don't even know that person's affiliations and are just all hugs and kisses for the way society has failed these people

in other threads they gleefully get people fired and say "oh it's just a job" "they'll find another one" and dismiss the impact of it altogether



decimating someone's reputation/SEO and therefore ruining a life isn't something to be taken lightly just because they made you mad

[Averon]

Funny how those most vehemently denying cancel culture is a thing are some of the first people jumping in and joining the regular cancel culture mob that forms on ERA. Strange how that is 

[Uncle]

sometimes they even follow people through life like brian q cockmangler who once made an othering comment at games done quick 2014, hey let's see if he's seeking gainful employment yet, YES HE LISTS HOME DEPOT AS CURRENT EMPLOYER ON LINKEDIN HEY HOME DEPOT NICE TO KNOW YOU HIRE BIGOTS

[bork]

The problem is when people use mildly stupid things said by a person and then exaggerate, take things it of context and flat out make stuff up to whip up more outrage and then a virtual lynch mob is formed and regardless of whether the original transgression warrants the person being fired or not, the only way to assuage the bloodlust of the mob is to give them what they want.

There was a good TED talk years ago about this. It has become a form of entertainment for some.

Been saying this for a while- Era enjoys being outraged and upset.  That's their hobby.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The reason why they have such a hard on for cancel culture is that they would never be in a position where they could get unjustly affected by it. It's not like someone is going to get cancelled from stocking shelves at Walmart.

I'm absolutely positive the way that some of these fucks act that they have some giant fucking skeletons in the closet that would get them hoist by their own petard if someone really wanted to dig down into that.

[Potato]

The problem is when people use mildly stupid things said by a person and then exaggerate, take things it of context and flat out make stuff up to whip up more outrage and then a virtual lynch mob is formed and regardless of whether the original transgression warrants the person being fired or not, the only way to assuage the bloodlust of the mob is to give them what they want.

There was a good TED talk years ago about this. It has become a form of entertainment for some.

Thanks for sharing that. If only more people would watch it and understand what he's warning us about.

[Averon]

The reason why they have such a hard on for cancel culture is that they would never be in a position where they could get unjustly affected by it. It's not like someone is going to get cancelled from stocking shelves at Walmart.

I'm absolutely positive the way that some of these fucks act that they have some giant fucking skeletons in the closet that would get them hoist by their own petard if someone really wanted to dig down into that.

B-dubs' racist past...
Amir0x being a pedo...
Tyler the shower goblin...
What-his-name faking being black (literal digital black face )...
Halo dev multiple bans for being racist...
Shinobi failing as a dad and outing his racist 5 year old...

Seems like a pattern to me 

[Averon]

Also, I'm sure there are a shit ton of old posts from long-time members before the GAF implosion that, if made public now on ERA, would get them dogpiled and banned. In fact, that is how we discovered how racist B-Dubs is and how one BCT aligned mod lost his modship because he made some "un-PC" comments about bisexuals (or was it asexuals?) years ago and someone dug them up.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

why do you guys think decadent nicole left era

[Uncle]

punished nicole

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

The whole "Bill burr is defending gina carano" deal fell through so now they are focusing on his cancel culture comments. It's almost like they are looking for something to fuck with the guy. I wonder what one might call this behavior.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thr-kelly-marie-tran-on-surviving-star-wars-bullying-the-pressures-of-representation-and-raya-and-the-last-dragon.387950/

looking forward to all the posters from the "cancel culture doesn't even exist, and if it did it doesn;t even stop people working for very long!" thread posting in this one too

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/thr-kelly-marie-tran-on-surviving-star-wars-bullying-the-pressures-of-representation-and-raya-and-the-last-dragon.387950/

looking forward to all the posters from the "cancel culture doesn't even exist, and if it did it doesn;t even stop people working for very long!" thread posting in this one too

"She's a disney princess now so how bad can it really have been"

[Pissy F Benny]

The whole "Bill burr is defending gina carano" deal fell through so now they are focusing on his cancel culture comments. It's almost like they are looking for something to fuck with the guy. I wonder what one might call this behavior.

p sure they've had it in for bill burr for a while anyway

[Uncle]

kelly tran didn't really receive "targeted harassment" or whatever the kids are calling it these days

a lot of people independently came to the conclusion that they didn't like her role or her acting, and responded the way any reasonable person would respond, there's no conspiracy theory hivemind groupthink here or culture behind it, it just looks that way to the undiscerning eye

[Nintex]

ResetEra is easy to understand, either you are a hero, saint or BFF or you are an evil Nazi for no reason but their emotions and they're never cleaning their room as they smash the door behind them.
There's no telling what group you belong to at any given moment.

It's basically 30 - 40+ something dudes larping as 12 year old girls

kelly tran didn't really receive "targeted harassment" or whatever the kids are calling it these days

a lot of people independently came to the conclusion that they didn't like her role or her acting, and responded the way any reasonable person would respond, there's no conspiracy theory hivemind groupthink here or culture behind it, it just looks that way to the undiscerning eye

She probably got a lot of hate in her DM's from the hardcore fans though. 

[Pissy F Benny]

starwar neckbeards can be vicious

[Nintex]