Corona Thread |OT| Nu variant, who dis?

[jorma]

It's kinda weird how everything is doom and gloom on the internet, there were even preparations to quarantine Stockholm. One op ed talks about shutting down the country in order to save it.

And then you go outside and everything is just.. normal. The park is full of people, kids were practicing football despite freezing temperatures and there are no hoarders in the shops. All stores are out of face masks apparently, but i have yet to see someone wear one. Some of my neighbours are having a bbq in the common yard.

The contrast is a bit surreal tbh

Yeah, with things like the schools are closing and some of the workforce being told to remote work from home, you're going to just see kids in parks and stuff during the day. There's not enough manpower to enforce them to stay at home.

Schools aren't closed though. Not yet at least.

[james]

Who has time to proof read some English stuff and or translate English into other languages?
I'm looking for a native speaker to help save the world.

The results of this test only indicate if your symptoms match the known symptoms of COVID-2019 as provided by the WHO(World Health Organization). The creators of this test are in not responsible for your health or medical decisions. Please consult a doctor or medical provider if you believe you have symptoms and/or carry COVID-2019.

I can create what the parking lot exploiters Mar-A-Lago grifters and Google apparently can't 

Join me and together we will write history 

Just delete the word in, the rest is good

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/AbiWilks/status/1238863237359304704

[Mr. Gundam]

So my surgery, which is scheduled for this coming Friday, might get canceled. I spoke to my surgeon yesterday and the CDC sent down guidelines that all surgeries that are not absolutely necessary need to be delayed for one month. The UW wants to hold off only two weeks, but after talking to my surgeon and telling him how I'm feeling we're keeping my March 20th date, but he is going to call back on Wednesday and if things are worse and not safe for me to be there (ie. they're using the Cardiac ICU and OR for Covid patients) they're going to cancel and then we'll have no idea when it will be scheduled. Could be two weeks, a month, six weeks, no clue.

[Madrun Badrun]

Sorry man.  Hope things work out. 

[nudemacusers]

Yeah my return date is getting pushed 

On the other hand I will get loads of per diem 

[Mr. Gundam]

Sorry man.  Hope things work out.

Thanks. My wife and I had a good conversation with my surgeon yesterday, after getting a customary "your surgery is canceled for now" call from the scheduler earlier in the day.

I understand their concerns and the risk placed on me. The hard thing is how long can I hold out and wait? The last time I had surgery I was in heart failure and ended up in the ER. I don't want that to happen again.

[nudemacusers]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/1238868355664076801

[Bebpo]

That's terrible Mr. Gundam. Shouldn't heart surgeries fall under absolutely necessary?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Will cross my fingers for u Gundam

[Great Rumbler]

Sending you good vibes, Gundam-san.

[Coffee Dog]

Sorry, Gundam. Hope you aren't waiting too long.

[VomKriege]

Most positive thoughts to you Mr. Gundam.

[Himu]

Gundam, I hope you get fast tracked.

[Don Rumata]

Don Rumata, updates from inside the quarantine? Have people started eating each other yet? How many people have you had to kill just to survive? Do the roving gangs use guns or more primitive weapons?

Here's the mayor of Bari closing down a park and telling people to go home.

 
Are you in Bari, Don?  I'm from Molfetta.

Nah, further north in the boot. 


EDIT: Just caught up, Good luck Gundam.
Are they afraid you'll catch it during recovery? Is that a big risk inside a hospital?

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/QuintinMarcell/status/1238742225812586496

 

[Clockwork5]

Godspeed Gundam.

[Madrun Badrun]

[Madrun Badrun]

Denmark closing borders to international travellers. 

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[VomKriege]

Apparently all non-essential shops to be closed in France. I also saw numbers for today about new cases and if accurate it was good (pretty level with yesterday), though France was testing less than other neighboring countries.

Shit, it's gonna be a pain to buy cigarettes if all tobacco shops have to close.

[Pissy F Benny]

there has never been a better time to quit 

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1238900896655765504

 

[VomKriege]

there has never been a better time to quit 

Tobacco stores are deemed essential so won't all close.
I guess I'll see how it works because most tobacco shops (95%+ I'd say, at a total guess) are inside cafés/bars in France.

[OnlyRegret]

SK
Total cases: 7,979
Current infected: 7,398

https://twitter.com/BBCLBicker/status/1238336700532711424

serious case as % of current = 1.23%
critical as % of current = 0.80%

if you're optimistic, then you're are sure cases are considerably underreported, therefore the mild:serious ratio is >19

Update of numbers

total 8,086
active 7,300

serious case as % of current = 0.81%
some improved, some died it seems, current death toll 72

[toku]

https://twitter.com/SJKSalisbury/status/1238037573282430978

[OnlyRegret]

3500 new cases in italy
the day before there was 2500 cases announced

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51889957

UK deaths double in 24 hours

[team filler]

one of my older cousins decided it was the perfect time to fly from out of state for a visit  my uncle is picking him up from LAX right now and their first stop is going to be my grandparents house  grandparents are in such bad health already they might not even see the november elections even without corona 

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/51888491

SMH

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/joethebrew/status/1238730595343220737

can't have a terrifying graph of cases if you don't test
 

[Mr. Gundam]

That's terrible Mr. Gundam. Shouldn't heart surgeries fall under absolutely necessary?

I'm not considered emergent yet, ie. life threatening and they're also afraid of exposing me to Covid-19. University of Washington Medical Center in Seattle is Ground Zero. They're the ones doing the drive thru testing you hear about. They'll get the worst cases. They're also the place where you go for heart valve replacement surgery. It also happens to be my neighborhood hospital where I go for all my health care. We live about a mile away. The fear is things ramp up and they have to use the Cardiac ICU and OR for Corona patients and they don't want me near them. It's a balancing act within a shit show and uncertainty.

[james]

Considering going to a club tonight

You know any girl going out right now is ready to get nasty

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/GenePark/status/1238917614967062531

[Madrun Badrun]

Going to get high and play EDF5.  This is honestly giving me anxiety and I feel stupid for it. 

[Mr. Gundam]

Going to get high and play EDF5.  This is honestly giving me anxiety and I feel stupid for it.

I ordered Dragon's Crown Pro for the PS4, my daughter and I are gonna co-op the shit out of it.

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/Weinbergrrrrr/status/1238913148842725376

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/louboutindom/status/1238928566378790913

[OnlyRegret]

Italy likely has very unreported stats on the younger end.
A high rate of completely absent or very mild symptoms likely that is potentially quite contagious.

https://twitter.com/markwby/status/1238867143363567616

Suggesting possibly the youth are infected en masse and transmitting it such.
Meanwhile, in America

https://twitter.com/4danlopez/status/1238834535401390081

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/JohnMcCullough_/status/1238793789902336001

[Don Rumata]

Italy likely has very unreported stats on the younger end.

One guy who recovered from it was saying that he was given the test mostly because he ended up in the ER with pneumonia, but it'd have been difficult to get tested if he was just home with a mild cold, even if positive. (His assumption, of course)
I mean it makes sense if you have a country-wide lock down, to not test every single person with a cough, but it also makes reporting the number of new contagions seem sort of pointless, in the grand scheme of things.

Here's the vid. btw, but it's in Italian.

[team filler]

Sorry man.  Hope things work out.

Thanks. My wife and I had a good conversation with my surgeon yesterday, after getting a customary "your surgery is canceled for now" call from the scheduler earlier in the day.

I understand their concerns and the risk placed on me. The hard thing is how long can I hold out and wait? The last time I had surgery I was in heart failure and ended up in the ER. I don't want that to happen again.

Hang in there dude.

a ritouos "hang in there dude." 

[OnlyRegret]

Cases likely in the millions maybe even in just Italy if anything :ronpaul

Zoomers meanwhile are gonna kill people
https://twitter.com/KrauseKraig/status/1238863041682386946

[Bebpo]

That's terrible Mr. Gundam. Shouldn't heart surgeries fall under absolutely necessary?

I'm not considered emergent yet, ie. life threatening and they're also afraid of exposing me to Covid-19. University of Washington Medical Center in Seattle is Ground Zero. They're the ones doing the drive thru testing you hear about. They'll get the worst cases. They're also the place where you go for heart valve replacement surgery. It also happens to be my neighborhood hospital where I go for all my health care. We live about a mile away. The fear is things ramp up and they have to use the Cardiac ICU and OR for Corona patients and they don't want me near them. It's a balancing act within a shit show and uncertainty.

That makes sense. Hang in there.

[VomKriege]

Italy likely has very unreported stats on the younger end.

One guy who recovered from it was saying that he was given the test mostly because he ended up in the ER with pneumonia, but it'd have been difficult to get tested if he was just home with a mild cold, even if positive. (His assumption, of course)
I mean it makes sense if you have a country-wide lock down, to not test every single person with a cough, but it also makes reporting the number of new contagions seem sort of pointless, in the grand scheme of things.

I would imagine the positive test stats still give some idea of how far it is spreading. If you conducted 2000 tests a day and every single one came back positive, it certainly says something different than having the same number of tests and only 10% being positive even if the exact level of contagion might only be an educated guess for scientists then.

A lot of national curves being similar and consistent seem to suggest they're somewhat accurate at gauging the crisis.

There's also some correlation (though with some variability), apparently, to the number of deaths and the strain on national healthcare. The countries in Asia that seemingly had the best response so far don't have their hospitals clogged by severely ill patients.

I feel there was little official communication anywhere on such speculations apart from the state of Ohio projecting that 100k people maybe already had it within their jurisdiction a few days ago. I mean the virus may have started doing the rounds in Europe as far back as January before the Chinese appraised how severe the issue was and started lockdown everything.

[VomKriege]

Also controversies are heating up (though there's been some skepticism since Macron said they would go through) suddenly about keeping the mayoral elections planned for tomorrow. The French authorities say they followed the scientific advice and consulted with the opposition but a number of experts and political figures (including MPs and region presidents) are making noises tonight.

It's pretty clear French authorities are reacting, the ramping up in just a few days, between Macron's address and now, has been drastic. But to be honest there's some truth to the Prime Minister words that some of us took things too lighty until now. Some bars in Paris are still packed right now even.

[TEEEPO]

[VomKriege]

Hopefully this health crisis will trigger a widespread debate about healthcare.
We're also looking at a massive stimulus package all over Europe, political authorities will be incentivized to open up the coffers, would probably be a good idea to use that goodwill to not only try to compensate for the current stress but also to invest in a more resilient society.

[Mr Gilhaney]

does this man have too much power?

[shosta]

[Laughter in Dutch]

[Potato]

My cousin works for a distribution company and they got warned not to post photos of the mountains of toilet paper at the warehouse. Speculation was that they were worried people would try to break in and steal it.

[Nintex]

Hopefully this health crisis will trigger a widespread debate about healthcare.
We're also looking at a massive stimulus package all over Europe, political authorities will be incentivized to open up the coffers, would probably be a good idea to use that goodwill to not only try to compensate for the current stress but also to invest in a more resilient society.

Here's the problem though. Italy and France are broke.
Germany and the Dutch ain't paying unless Berlin controls the French budget from Brussels. That's always been the issue in European politics.
The French want to share their debt with the Germans through Euro bonds and the Germans only want that if the French give up their budget control and reform.

We'll likely bail out the airlines before they collapse and then the debt must be paid with austerity.
Savings are worthless with interest rates near 0 and what little was saved is wiped out.
Our government has said we can take a 90 billion Euro hit.

Italy essentially nuked their own economy. Some economists estimate it will take decades to recover.

[bluemax]

https://twitter.com/cjjohnsonjr/status/1238868541689880576

(Image removed from quote.)

Holy shit, that's right around the corner from me. I actually have thought about that place as the place I would loot if there was a zombie apocalypse ha.

Showed it to my roommate and she told me the CTO at her job said this past week "Thankfully I have enough ammunition already." This guy is a maladjusted, libertarian, Chinese immigrant who used to work in the cinematics department at Blizzard and currently lives in an affluent neighborhood 2 hours outside of Los Angeles.

[VomKriege]

Hopefully this health crisis will trigger a widespread debate about healthcare.
We're also looking at a massive stimulus package all over Europe, political authorities will be incentivized to open up the coffers, would probably be a good idea to use that goodwill to not only try to compensate for the current stress but also to invest in a more resilient society.

Here's the problem though. Italy and France are broke.
Germany and the Dutch ain't paying unless Berlin controls the French budget from Brussels. That's always been the issue in European politics.
The French want to share their debt with the Germans through Euro bonds and the Germans only want that if the French give up their budget control and reform.

We'll likely bail out the airlines before they collapse and then the debt must be paid with austerity.
Savings are worthless with interest rates near 0 and what little was saved is wiped out.
Our government has said we can take a 90 billion Euro hit.

Italy essentially nuked their own economy. Some economists estimate it will take decades to recover.

I think we come from different places on how we view this and what qualify as "broke". Yes the economy will take a beating everywhere. But we have already seen European governments pledge to massive help package and mandate easier access to loans. European nations are some of the wealthiest of the world and have some of the best infrastructure and assets. It won't be wiped away because of a stoppage of a couple months. I think by and large the citizenry will lean towards solidarity and healthcare, research and international coordination will jump back to the forefront of political debate.

I know the exact effectiveness of masks is up for debate but they do provide some mitigation and probably serve as a reminder to the wearer and other possible to behave a certain, cautious, way. It should probably be on the table that mask use (and consequently, supply) should become more common for the next crisis. That's just to discuss a minor adjustement.

This is a game changer, if only for promoting easier access to working from home for instance. Especially if the US gets hit extra hard because of the rather poor -as far as we can tell- response.

[team filler]

Sorry man.  Hope things work out.

Thanks. My wife and I had a good conversation with my surgeon yesterday, after getting a customary "your surgery is canceled for now" call from the scheduler earlier in the day.

I understand their concerns and the risk placed on me. The hard thing is how long can I hold out and wait? The last time I had surgery I was in heart failure and ended up in the ER. I don't want that to happen again.

Hang in there dude.

a ritouos "hang in there dude." 

Sending another "hang in there dude" out to TVC who hopefully was alright working from home this week.

Get your own personalized message from me on Cameo.

closest thing to a "take care" from OJ's twitter 

[Nintex]

If this thing lasts longer than two weeks the economies of already weak countries are completely fucked.
With Lagarde at the helm of the ECB everything will turn to shit soon enough. Every time she speaks the markets tumble.

https://twitter.com/FortuneMagazine/status/1238627163835969541

She basically told Italy it was their own problem.

That's why the English left. Everyone knows the Eurozone floats on Germany, The Netherlands and the Nordic countries.
If Italy defaults it'll be domino day across southern Europe. The Greek fire sale is peanuts compared to what's coming.

Germans will be happy though, cheap exports.

[samir]

Nintex dropping truth bombs 

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/sarahkliff/status/1238912947868635136

[OnlyRegret]

I feel there was little official communication anywhere on such speculations apart from the state of Ohio projecting that 100k people maybe already had it within their jurisdiction a few days ago. I mean the virus may have started doing the rounds in Europe as far back as January before the Chinese appraised how severe the issue was and started lockdown everything.

This seems likely.
Some places I read placed patient zero in November. With how contagious this stuff is I really feel the Chinese numbers are underreported considerably.
Probably quite a few people out there maybe in February in Italy had a cold that wasn't actually a cold.

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/sarahkliff/status/1238912947868635136

Daycares and schools have to be organised to care for kids of essential workers, healthcare in particular. That's how France does it and I imagine a number of places.