River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[PogiJones]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-vii-remake-first-look-at-tifa.122336/

This thread is not producing the entertainment I crave 

yet. 

[maninthemirror]

Wtfffffffff

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostwire-director-ikumi-nakamura-has-developed-quite-the-fan-art-following-see-staff-posts.122174/page-4#post-21677953

[PogiJones]

Wtfffffffff

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostwire-director-ikumi-nakamura-has-developed-quite-the-fan-art-following-see-staff-posts.122174/page-4#post-21677953

Pretty sure that's benji-style satire.

[TVC15]

You know, I DID get some heavy "acting like a stereotype for the amusement of others" vibes from Nakamura's presentation.

But again, I'm generally wary of those wacky whimsical Willy Wonka acts. I just think they're shallow, fake and ridiculous.

Now “acting like a stereotype for the amusement of others” is a bad thing? Wait til this dude hears of this thing we call rap music.

[Crumb]

Poor Tifa with all that EXPOSED femoral arteries.

[team filler]

tifa need bigger titty

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-they-seriously-ran-the-avengers-trailer-with-zero-poc.122357/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-in-square-enixs-war-of-the-visions-the-only-brown-people-shown-are-barbarians-savages.122350/

You're next Squenix 

This is horrible. Reminds me of the Legend of Zelda series being about the white people attacking the one brown man. I hate games.

I get being upset at the lack of PoC but are we seriously gonna start calling the Avengers "generic?"

[PogiJones]

I still prefer this version made by the Riot artist.

 


 

[NegativeCrepe]

they covered her tits?  the fuck is wrong with people?

[PogiJones]

they covered her tits?  the fuck is wrong with people?

Coverage is roughly the same as it's always been:





Just a bit of black added in now. But coverage is the same.

[Crumb]

Damn look at those edges 

[PogiJones]

At 13 they were good enough

[remy]

I hate her skinny legs.

[thisismyusername]

(Image removed from quote.)

I did my part. 

Mods ban this sick filth.

[clothedmacuser]

Attempt at being human and trying out one of those new fangled joke things.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-someone-link-the-hallelujah-african-guy-animated-gif.122113/post-21663717

Does anyone have that gif of that guy doing that cool thing with that object while saying that cool phrase?

Dear everyone stop posting the right gif before I post my joke one

You're killing me here

Show some respect and give people with senses of humour some time first

"Humor"

I'm fucking funny

My mom tells me so all the time

It's always a fun place when Excel is around

[PogiJones]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/elon-musk-and-todd-howard-will-have-the-conversation-of-a-lifetime-for-us-to-witness-at-e3-coliseum.122378/

RE: An angry version of this:

[PogiJones]

Seriously, someone needs to shop an angry face onto that guy. It would get soooooo much mileage regarding RE.

[remy]

I still don't really get why they hate Elon Musk.

Is it cuz he probably got high and fucked grimes raw like 1000 times?

[Momo]

Elon Musk is a non pedophile, of course he will be hated

[cosmicblizzard]

I still don't really get why they hate Elon Musk.

Is it cuz he probably got high and fucked grimes raw like 1000 times?

He was on a Pewdiepie video recently.  Though that's probably not why they hate him since I doubt they know.

[BIONIC]

Daddy Nintendo will save E3

[daemon]

https://twitter.com/shock_and_roll/status/1138225905661349888

tiny violin

[Transhuman]

Please keep this conversation civil and tasteful. Nakamura herself is fine with the fanarts and enjoys them. This does not give you license to belittle other members expressing their concerns about sexism or the fetishization of Asian women, whether in the industry or in general. Please avoid mocking or sarcastic drive-by posts to this effect.

Moving forwards, any users that continue this behaviour may be subject to moderation. Thank you.

In case it was not clear already from the posts we have banned, drive-bys and trolling in any direction are not allowed here. This includes but is not limited to:

• Unprovoked accusations against other members
• Mocking "anime avatars"
• Attempting to inflame the discussion without contributing anything to it

Again, please help keep this conversation civil and tasteful. Thanks!

The lengths they'll go to have their cake and eat it too are quite extraordinary.

[clothedmacuser]

Please keep this conversation civil and tasteful. Nakamura herself is fine with the fanarts and enjoys them. This does not give you license to belittle other members expressing their concerns about sexism or the fetishization of Asian women, whether in the industry or in general. Please avoid mocking or sarcastic drive-by posts to this effect.

Moving forwards, any users that continue this behaviour may be subject to moderation. Thank you.

Although the women this matter is about actually likes and enjoys the situation don't belittle those that mansplain how she is wrong and should be upset and bitter as us ERA members.

[Momo]

I wonder how fast I would get banned on REE if I made it known im a Kokayna fan

[counterhit]

at this rate the cyberpunk 2077 official topic OP will just be a collection of screenshots of ms.galaxy's posts with no caption.

[Don Rumata]

Honestly I'm legit surprised nobody's tried to call out Ikumi for basically going the whole hog regarding self orientalization

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostwire-director-ikumi-nakamura-has-developed-quite-the-fan-art-following-see-staff-posts.122174/page-17#post-21706911

She's basically playing into all of the stereotypes that that NYT article brought up to make herself a meme and honestly that's kinda fucked up.

Why the fuck isn't a Japanese woman up to speed with the latest NYT articles?!   Extradition seems in order. 

[VomKriege]

I still don't really get why they hate Elon Musk.

Is it cuz he probably got high and fucked grimes raw like 1000 times?

Elon Musk would have been much less grating without the fandom that up until recently would fight you for every inch even in the face of facts and common sense. He has a tendency to push wild claims and projects in the most self aggrandizing pseudo messianic way up to the point of obvious bullshit / borderline con artist (Claiming to have secured agreement from authorities for the Eastern Board Hyperloop, for instance). Him being a total prick in that Thai cave story and grossly violating SEC rules (ie lying) shortly thereafter was the final confirmation for both counts. I'll throw in there the longstanding rumors about labor conditions in the Tesla factories too.

I can only speak for myself but I suspect that's the gist for many people. I don't care he's fucking that popstar I didn't know before they were an item, but some had feelings about that. I'd wager that for most it was an ancillary source of anger.

[remy]

He's definitely a wanker and he is definitely deified by idiots

[Lonewulfeus]

I think this is a grimes



 

[Transhuman]

He's definitely a wanker and he is definitely deified by idiots

I like to think he was normal before his ego got all fucked

[VomKriege]

He's definitely a wanker and he is definitely deified by idiots

I like to think he was normal before his ego got all fucked

Weren't we all ?

[Transhuman]

[team filler]

 

[Transhuman]

filler r u okay

[team filler]

never post that shid again 

[Transhuman]

I'm sorry if you and your fat hog were offended

[VomKriege]

There are tons of fan bases who don't cheer injuries. TONS. Raptors fans should not get off the hook for this one.

Is there now really ? That seems pretty counterintuitive about what we know about sport fandoms and large like minded crowds in a competitive context.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/raptors-fans-cheer-after-kevin-durant%E2%80%99s-injury.122389/#post-21724380

Absolute trash every single one of them and any other reaction to an injury in game threads other than “ I hope he’s ok” should catch an insta ban

Good thing you’re not a mod, damn

https://www.resetera.com/threads/raptors-fans-cheer-after-kevin-durant%E2%80%99s-injury.122389/#post-21724591

[who is ted danson?]

Women should be able to do and wear what they want. Except when it plays to stereotypes. Then you're gonna get some lashings.

[Don Rumata]

Did that Police Stories indie game send them in a frenzy yet?

[SmokyDave]

How many minority demographics are you a part of?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/people-who-downplay-the-exclusion-of-minorities-in-media-deny-our-existence-despite-us-making-up-a-large-visible-part-of-the-population-its-bs.122373/#post-21723123


Somewhere out there, a ginger left-handed colour-blind man just earned his stripes.

[Snoopycat_]

When I was in the Waffen SS we had policies specifically created to cater for the inclusion of transgender gingers. Does Ree have any inclusive policies for transgender gingers? No they don't, which means the Waffen SS were more inclusive than Resetera.

[Ghoul]

why are they playing minority demographics like pokemon cards.

HOW MANY YOU HAVE HUH?

Do you have a shiny Autismo

[HaughtyFrank]

Why do they even care what minority someone is. If they are but disagree with the premise they'll only get labeled as troll or "one of the bad ones"

[HaughtyFrank]

There is absolutely no reason to not include PoC. If there is more than one person on screen they should have different backgrounds. And we should never have a group of just white people. There should be PoC on "everything we touch". And we shouldn't have to wait. There should be PoC from the jump.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-they-seriously-ran-the-avengers-trailer-with-zero-poc.122357/post-21727816

Whenever a poc is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking: "Where's a poc?"

[NinjaDeath]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-in-square-enixs-war-of-the-visions-the-only-brown-people-shown-are-barbarians-savages.122350/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-they-seriously-ran-the-avengers-trailer-with-zero-poc.122357/

BAN SQUARE
BAN MARVEL
BAN E3

I don't know if half those posts are serious or not
So because it's 2019 we basically need a black Captain America and iron Man?  What?

[Snoopycat_]

Whenever a poc is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking: "Where's a poc?"

They could make it a modern version of Where's Waldo. Maybe even thrown in some free dlc like - Where's Enzom

[VomKriege]

Sport shooting

That’s still just learning to kill people in a fancy, skilful way.

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/usa-kicked-the-smoking-habit-why-cant-they-do-the-same-with-guns.122396/#post-21726286

[SmokyDave]

Whenever a poc is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking: "Where's a poc?"

They could make it a modern version of Where's Waldo. Maybe even thrown in some free dlc like - Where's Enzom

120kb unlock key.

[headwalk]

since becoming an ethnic minority a couple of years ago it's really given me a different perspective on things.

[Raist]

Honestly I'm legit surprised nobody's tried to call out Ikumi for basically going the whole hog regarding self orientalization.

Polygon in a couple days: Japanese developer self-oritentalizes on E3 stage - how this hurts the gaming industry.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

> watches wash_doges: Lahndahn trailer
> Fucking neon lighting everywhere
> "Gaw blimey, 'es a right bellend and no mistake, chim-chim-cheroo"

[nudemacusers]

https://www.resetera.com/goto/post?id=21660530

Evil Within 2 for me was really generic, you could really feel it was directed by a white guy. Well each to their own.

from the next page:

Is Nakamura the first female game director?

Everyone forgets Roberta Williams... she basically created a genre 

[Ghoul]

> watches wash_doges: Lahndahn trailer
> Fucking neon lighting everywhere
> "Gaw blimey, 'es a right bellend and no mistake, chim-chim-cheroo"

fock off ya dozy tart.

[headwalk]

> watches wash_doges: Lahndahn trailer
> Fucking neon lighting everywhere
> "Gaw blimey, 'es a right bellend and no mistake, chim-chim-cheroo"

come visit the london of 2030, with accents from the 1930s.

[Ghoul]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-its-time-to-tifa-ify-your-avy.122360/#post-21714967

Now that she's finally been revealed and shown in the FFVII Remake, I think it's time to flood Era with her. I'll change my avy when I have access to a computer, but let's see how much reach we have!

This poster is so dead and they don't even know it. Those stop objectifying women folks are gonna pile this poor person.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Everyone forgets Roberta Williams... she basically created a genre 

Women have been wokring in the games industry since its inception, at every possible role, its just unless you happen to be ridiculously photogenic like Jade Raymond you don't get wheeled out in front of the cameras.
For example, the lead designer on Full Spectrum Warrior was a woman.

Which is why when you see the big AAAs talking about how they don't 'get' audiences that aren't 18-30 dudes, they're either full of shit or admitting they fucking suck at their job, because women have been making games that they personally aren't inherently that interested in for fucking ever.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-looks-amazing-but-i’m-conflicted-about-supporting-cd-projekt-red-with-the-doubt-they’ve-cast-around-their-social-stances.122170/page-12#post-21727371

Yeh I slipped and put the red on there iny my early morning haze. Honestly not the best time to be trying to delve into this, likely still isn't when I consider the bird's nest atop my head and the muted dial-up sounds within when my brain tries to connect to anything.

Fundamentally that changes little for me though, and I can get that that's a strict reaction to something for someone, nonsensical even with some of the replies here and perhaps your own referencing of Bethesda and their structure. So, as you appear to be going in earnest I'll try to break it down and foray into the wood of words once more. In doing so I'll likely cover points not in your post, perhaps you completely agree with them, just to give some bedrock around it considering some of the replies here.

This is someone choosing not to buy a game, that's it.

It's easy to envisage or act like people unhappy in this thread are red-eyed and crazed, frothing at the mouth, frantically typing their posts as they conitnue to stab needles into tiny Geralt dolls. In reality though, it's just people who are considering their purchasing decision and deciding they don't feel comfortable buying an entertainment product.

The attempt to paint people with the issue as being at an extreme, or overreacting is a common one. It's a tired tactic to win cheap points in the argument. If you can dismiss this all as someone throwing a tantrum and doing something totally unreasonable then you're golden. Look how upset this person is, they must be unstable. They're obviously just being emotional.

People blame companies for the actions over issues, that's how accountability works in the corporate world.

People blame, criticize and hold companies accountable for the actions of their employees. This really isn't anything that should need to be explained and the fact we've had people doing so is frankly bizarre. A company as it's core is a fictional entity. It literally doesn't exist. You have offices, employees, money, product, letterheaded paper and more. You pieces of paper and legal documents that define what the company is, who owns it and more but the actual company itself is immaterial.

Which is kind of the whole point. You have this entity to challenge and criticize, or respect and follow. One purpose of this shell is very much to provide a blank form capture for the business or institution as a whole, as opposed to any singular individual. So the idea that noone should criticize a company in favour of an individual is one that's so childlike in its naivety I can't take it seriously, especially if you're growing up in any modern society.  When you go on to suggest it's "fucking cowardly" to criticize a company instead of directly targetting specific employees then, sorry, but this abundantly clear that your only issue with this all is that it's CDPR/CDP/GoG involved, who have happened to make some absolutely stellar video games in their past.

I highly doubt if they saw someone criticizing one of the major banks or supermarkets they'd be willing to type paragraph upon paragraph about how it's "fucking cowardly" to attack a company instead of individual people.

It wasn't the company though, it was a person on twitter!

Again, this level of naivety and feigned ignorance over things that are common practice in every other facet of business and industry is one that's hard to take seriously. The person didn't just fart and land on the desk in the office, primed to write a shitty tweet. They were hired, they were told the remits of their position, they may or may not have had the tweet vetted by at least one other employee before it was sent – and yes, I have worked within marketing departments of large organizations. It's rarely some spotted teen who's been allowed to run rampant with the front-facing image of the company without restriction.

That's what this is, and that's what twitter is. It's a very conscious front-face to your company that can be used to directly engage with your community. Anyone hiring for, and anyone applying for, this position would know this and understand the importance of it.

"Gut writes shitty tweet, guy gets fired" is a reduction of what happens.

Hiring for the above positions should rely on some background into the person their hiring's activity on social media, not least because this person is front-facing in a digital position where they'll actively been communicating on your behalf. It's not some NSA level nonsense, just a cursory scroll through public pages to get a sense of some of their vocal positions. It's basic due-dilligence for the role, done in minutes while assessing candidates. So it's likely it occured and nothing was raised, but it's a potential area for things like this to be caught.

So you've got your written job spec (likely written/agreed by people outside of the hiring manager). You have your hiring manager. Now you've hired the little would-be devil. You have an induction, you train him. At this point you might be congizent of the fact you've had prior twitter controversies within your family of companies, and knowing how one can affect the other perhaps you labour the point of being careful what to post. It's not comprehensive but it's key guidance on the tone your company wishes to write with, the remits of what they can and can't go for (politics, social issues, competition, the like). This is an important step as it's the bridge between their past experience within media positions, and how you would like for them to represent you. This can be as vague and as strict as it likes, but it's defined by the client/employer.

So.. guy writes shitty tweet.. From this point it's not even about the guy any more. That part of the story is locked in time, and now the only matter of meaning is how the management and wider entity react.

It's here where people galvanise their long lasting opinions, not the actual act.

Employees have done shit things in abundance, it's a tricky thing for a company to handle granted but if done right it can almost completely reverse the tide of good-will. This is because we largely recognise that yes, any employee of a company can go rogue and do whatever so it can be hard to not have such an event occur within a large organization over the span of many years. Instead it shifts to how this event is handled, whether similar events have occured recently, how swiftly a response is made, what that response is and whether ongoing any shift or change. It varies from situation from situation but you get the gist of it.

In this case it's where most people feel GOG and CDP have let the ball drop.

Firing the person isn't the start and end of this, nor is it particularly worthy of praise (nor scorn either). You would expect any major company to fire someone over transphobic tweets. There's poorly worded tweets and then there's mocking the entire notion of gender identity. We've established there's internal scrutiny to be cast on the hiring and training process, but now it shifts to how they were fired and how that was communicated with those hurt.

"It's gotten too much" as the sole reason for firing someone for the above is pathetic, and – with that we have – honestly doesn't point to much more than "you've become more hassle than you're worth to us".

Firing the person certainly shows they understand that there was a negative reaction to their actions, but in isolation it doesn't indicate much more. You have a very real financial and business incentive to fire them, even outside of any concern for LGBTQ+ rights. So further clarification is needed at that stage, to see whether CDP/GOG understand the ramifications of the tweet within the community and how it's hurt players. You'd want a statement put out pretty prompty to reassure that, to which we got:



[MEDIA=twitter]1031930291772899329[/MEDIA]

Which, as with the above, misses the mark again. "Sorry to all those offended" is not an apology for the action. It's an apology solely if it offended you, when it should be an apology regardless because the issue is the mocking in the tweet not the reaction to it. Harming somoene is rarely anyone's intention, so again – nothing really much here. No outreach toward the trans and NB community, just a "sorry for the offense".

So it's felt that nothing was really understood in what was actually wrong in the scenario, despite a corrective action (the firing) being made. Then you have this pop up:



Which is responded to with this:

[MEDIA=twitter]1054706033887793152[/MEDIA]

Even less understanding and zero apology. Which will lead onto..

GOG, CDP and CDPR are all separate!

In the wake of the GOG tweet the fired community manager said this:

..because that's exactly what it was. CDP aren't stupid, they're more than aware that people interlink the three entities and they were always going to when they never shied away, or attempted to distinguish themselves from, the association.

Naturally they want all of the good will from The Witcher 3 and the CDPR brand to splash over onto GOG and it has. However you can't try and have that be a one way street. If you're congizent of the fact that your brands are associated and you're leveraging good will from that, then you need to accept that if one is stained by something like a PR mishap then it is likely to have consequences for the wider group. Certainly if you're having repeat issues on social media, there should be a focus on ensuring group-wide communications are consistent and managed.

So when you find a situation where two parts of this connected group are getting in hot water about mocking the exact same topic, and when apologies or no-apology is given in the wake are unsatisfactory you might land on not wishing to support any aspect of CDP until they make strides toward changing that attitude, and actually understanding the impact the actions have had within the community. Frankly, if they don't show much regard for the community in the wake of it being mocked when why should the community follow them blindly into the next purchase?

Vote with your wallets!

Ah yes, the long-repeated mantra that's brought out and vigirously waved around when microtransactions, loot boxes, sub-60fps performance and the like are found in games. We must vote with our wallets to discourage these actions so that they might alter them in the future!

Except when it comes to trans and NB rights when met against CDPR. If it was loot boxes and The Witcher 4, there'd be an uproar and voting of wallets. If there were transphobic comments put out by an EA social media account for which little was done to remedy the issue, people would cry to vote with our wallets.

This combination though; we have a minority group that's commonly not taken seriously against one of the most beloved developers this generation, with legions of people who feel emotionally invested because these are the people that made their game of the generation. This becomes a little different. It shouldn't, but it does and it's something that's obvious in a number of interactions in the thread.

Still not done?

That's all to say that choosing to not buy a product from a company because of their actions, and how that's affected you, is nothing new. It's nothing extreme. It happens in every B2C and B2B industry and it's certainly nothing worthy of rebuke. It's an incredibly harmless action that the majority here promote unless it's within a certain few set of circumstances.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

> watches wash_doges: Lahndahn trailer
> Fucking neon lighting everywhere
> "Gaw blimey, 'es a right bellend and no mistake, chim-chim-cheroo"

come visit the london of 2030, with accents from the 1930s.

this is the future brexiteers want

[Momo]

Women should be able to do and wear what they want. Except when it plays to stereotypes. Then you're gonna get some lashings.

Lashings? Not harsh enough

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