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Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1140 on: December 08, 2014, 03:05:13 PM »
Have a nuclear war with 50 year old missiles, breh.

There won't be nuclear war. There is no profit if everything is dead.
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Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1141 on: December 08, 2014, 05:23:14 PM »
Does Russia even still have old nuclear missiles? I would have assumed those were all sold off in the rampant capitalism that sold off the rest of the former Soviet assets in the 1990s.

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Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1142 on: December 09, 2014, 10:48:24 AM »
Have a nuclear war with 50 year old missiles, breh.

There won't be nuclear war. There is no profit if everything is dead.
Which is why any talk of war with Russia is bullshit, including that article. It doesn't benefit us or Russia, would sink the world economy, etc. That doesn't mean Putin will stop being a habitual line crosser tho.
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« Reply #1143 on: December 09, 2014, 10:54:48 AM »
Have a nuclear war with 50 year old missiles, breh.

There won't be nuclear war. There is no profit if everything is dead.
Which is why any talk of war with Russia is bullshit, including that article. It doesn't benefit us or Russia, would sink the world economy, etc. That doesn't mean Putin will stop being a habitual line crosser tho.

Putin is like that one friend everyone has that loves to push the limits at all times.
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Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1144 on: December 15, 2014, 03:32:28 AM »
I used to work one block from Martin Place and walk past there every day for lunch.
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Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1145 on: December 16, 2014, 12:41:27 AM »
Kind of surprised more stuff like that doesn't happen. Micro scale terrorism seems more effective and easier than massive plots the CIA and FBI are just going to dismantle.
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1146 on: December 16, 2014, 12:48:47 PM »
Remember when the Right was trumpeting Putin as "playing chess while was Obama was playing checkers"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/upshot/vladimir-putin-vs-the-currency-markets-what-to-know-about-the-rubles-collapse.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1

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Re: ISIS declares war on Saudi - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1147 on: December 16, 2014, 01:02:58 PM »
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/12/16/scores-killed-inattackschoolinpeshawar.html

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Attack a high school brehs...

And wonder why you're endangering 1.5 billion innocent muslims on a daily basis brehs....

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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1148 on: December 16, 2014, 02:01:12 PM »
Remember when the Right was trumpeting Putin as "playing chess while was Obama was playing checkers"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/upshot/vladimir-putin-vs-the-currency-markets-what-to-know-about-the-rubles-collapse.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1

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You mean to tell me economic sanctions slowly ramped up over time, aimed at an already struggling economy, during a period in which gas prices are relatively low/stable, fucked up an economy that doesn't do much but sell gas?
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Treat global politics like fast food brehs.

Meanwhile the US economy is about to start trucking
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1149 on: December 16, 2014, 02:10:45 PM »
I remember all the "what can economic sanctions possibly do?" think pieces from smart/dumb pundits just a few months ago. 
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1150 on: December 16, 2014, 02:26:20 PM »
I think people conflated two issues: how to "stop" Putin and how to punish Putin. In reality Putin was never going to back down, he can't afford to. Economic sanctions have destroyed Russia's economy, literally. Many people have left the piece of Ukraine he fucked with, to the point it didn't benefit Russia at all. Russia's big energy deal with China ended up being smaller than planned. And of course OPEC is fucking Russia due to their Assad support.

The only "out" Putin has will be some type of concession in another area, I have no idea what it'll be. It'll be something that allows Putin to declare victory, and that's when US conservatives will return with their bullshit.
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1151 on: December 16, 2014, 02:30:29 PM »
Putin's only "out" is higher gas prices.  Nothing short of that will do the trick now.
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« Reply #1154 on: December 16, 2014, 06:33:45 PM »
I think the issue with Russia is that the initial sanctions before the downed Malaysia Airlines jet really were toothless.  They became more targeted after, but by that time the narrative had been written and people ran with it.  So unfortunately idiots are still going to assume the sanctions did nothing. 

Also, Putin did some of the worst damage to Russia by banning imports of Western food.  Talk about reactionary.

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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1155 on: December 16, 2014, 09:20:37 PM »
That and OPEC said fuck you American shale exploration and then Russia was all  :noooo Cheap oil !?!  :brazilcry

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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1157 on: January 01, 2015, 01:54:50 PM »

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« Reply #1158 on: January 01, 2015, 01:59:27 PM »
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« Reply #1159 on: January 01, 2015, 02:24:24 PM »
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1160 on: January 01, 2015, 04:20:57 PM »
Brooker smuggled an Adam Curtis joint into his 2014 wipe  :mindblown



And as if that wasn't :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy enough, he has a new iPlayer special coming out on Jan 25:th!
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1161 on: January 01, 2015, 04:57:37 PM »
He also had an Adam Curtis segment in one of his things a few years ago IIRC
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1162 on: January 01, 2015, 06:33:07 PM »
oh god i'm dyin even at the UK centric parts i'm not that familiar with



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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1164 on: January 02, 2015, 01:10:26 AM »
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1165 on: January 02, 2015, 02:15:00 PM »
He also had an Adam Curtis segment in one of his things a few years ago IIRC

yeah, but BBC:s censorship levels are far harsher these days
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1167 on: January 03, 2015, 04:16:32 PM »
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1168 on: January 04, 2015, 12:36:19 PM »
Already removed. Another PR video?

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« Reply #1169 on: January 04, 2015, 01:13:57 PM »
John Cantlie giving a tour of Mosul talking about how awesome everything is.
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1170 on: January 07, 2015, 08:56:26 AM »
At least 12 people were killed Wednesday when gunmen stormed the offices of a satirical newspaper in Paris in what French President Francois Hollande called a "terrorist attack."

The Associated Press reported that Paris prosecutor's spokeswoman Agnes Thibault-Lecuivre confirmed the deaths at Charlie Hebdo's headquarters in central Paris. Hollande also told reporters that four others were critically injured in the attack, according to NBC News.

"We will find the people who did this," he said, as quoted by NBC News. "France is today shocked by this terrorist attack."

Reports differ as to how many attackers entered the Charlie Hebdo offices, although there appears to have been at least two gunmen.

One witness told French TV channel iTELE that he saw two black-hooded men enter the building with Kalashnikov rifles, according to Reuters. A Paris police union official, Luc Poignant, said the attackers escaped in two vehicles, according to the AP.

But a spokesman for a different police union, Rocco Contento, told The Guardian that three men he described as "commandos" carried out the attack before fleeing in a getaway car driven by a fourth man.

Part of the attack was caught on video from the roof of a neighboring building:

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/video-des-images-de-l-attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_790543.html
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Re: holiday terrorism month - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1171 on: January 07, 2015, 09:00:21 AM »
it is apparently the most violent terrorist attack in france's recent history.

previous record was something like 9 deaths
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« Reply #1172 on: January 07, 2015, 11:09:19 AM »
Fuck's sake...

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« Reply #1173 on: January 07, 2015, 11:19:50 AM »
I can't believe they got away, too.

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« Reply #1174 on: January 07, 2015, 11:44:32 AM »
Fuck.  One of their cartoonists did some work for us before and he's good friends with one of our producers.  Waiting to hear if he's safe :'(
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« Reply #1175 on: January 07, 2015, 11:45:07 AM »
Oh, every right-wing reactionary group is. :-\

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« Reply #1176 on: January 07, 2015, 12:04:01 PM »
Someone has a serious stick up their ass about Charlie Hebdo.  Kind of shocking that they took it this scale though.
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« Reply #1177 on: January 07, 2015, 01:47:35 PM »
A staffer for satirical French newspaper Charlie Hebdo said that masked attackers threatened her to gain access to its offices as they launched their attack Wednesday and claimed to belong to Al-Qaeda.

Corinne Rey, known as Coco, told French publication L'Humanite that she was "brutally threatened" by two armed men at the door of the newspaper's offices after picking her daughter up from daycare.

"They wanted to enter, go up. I typed the code," she said, as quoted by The Guardian. "They shot Wolinski, Cabu ... it lasted five minutes ... I had taken refuge under a desk."

Rey was referring to two of the newspaper's prominent cartoonists, who were among the 12 people killed in the attack.

"They spoke French perfectly ... claiming to be Al-Qaida," she said of the assailants, as quoted by the Guardian.

Other French media reported that the assailants told an eyewitness to "tell the media that we are from Al-Qaida in the Yemen," according to The Guardian.
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« Reply #1178 on: January 07, 2015, 02:27:40 PM »
I feel like this will create a crossroads between western world and islam going forward. there's no fucking way islam at large can spout "religion of peace" "extreme few" when cartoonists were killed for drawing muhammad. european hostility towards muslims is going to fucking skyrocket now, especially in france, and it was already pretty high before this.
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« Reply #1179 on: January 07, 2015, 03:03:20 PM »
I just don't understand how they got clean away in 2015, no one in the office took cover and had a cell phone? No security alarm to trigger?

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« Reply #1180 on: January 07, 2015, 03:11:42 PM »
completely unrelated, sort of...

but this was on CNN's front page when I got the latest deets about the attack.  I'm actually a bit surprised that this is at all controversial anywhere in the world.  There's no where on earth that doesn't use her, um, product.  But it also speaks to the schism, I suppose, however superficial (tremendously in this case) between the social conservatives and the liberals.  I still can't believe that anybody would waste brain cells getting angry about this though (well, I can, but I don't understand it).

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« Reply #1181 on: January 07, 2015, 03:22:03 PM »
From that article, they guy defending her, saying porn industry is regulated like banking "actually probably more regulated than banking" :dead

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« Reply #1182 on: January 07, 2015, 07:41:58 PM »
NBC's reporting that one suspect in the shooting has been killed and two others are in custody.
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« Reply #1183 on: January 07, 2015, 07:52:24 PM »
Fuck.  One of their cartoonists did some work for us before and he's good friends with one of our producers.  Waiting to hear if he's safe :'(

*looks at some of the cartoons from the paper*

:what you were friends with one of these guys?

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« Reply #1184 on: January 07, 2015, 07:53:39 PM »
I feel like this will create a crossroads between western world and islam going forward. there's no fucking way islam at large can spout "religion of peace" "extreme few" when cartoonists were killed for drawing muhammad. european hostility towards muslims is going to fucking skyrocket now, especially in france, and it was already pretty high before this.

While I was in Turkey, everyone I spoke with condemned the terrorist acts, and was ashamed that anything like that would be associated with a religion based on peace and love and charity. It was explained to me that the Koran doesn’t have any passages supporting taking vengeance on others; in contrast, the Bible has all manner of talk about when it’s OK to kill in God’s name. I haven’t read either book, so I don’t know if that’s true, but the speaker claimed that the leaders of the Taliban, for example, were able to claim murder as viable in God’s name solely because the followers were illiterate and unable to read the Koran for themselves.

Doesn’t seem like that argument holds up consistently, but I thought it was an interesting take.

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« Reply #1185 on: January 07, 2015, 09:31:15 PM »
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On "America's Newsroom," Lt. Col. Ralph Peters (Ret.) reacted to the deadly terror attack on the Paris offices of a satirical newspaper and called out the "cowardly" English-speaking media.

"It's a terrible morning. It's a bad morning for press freedom, for freedom of information. It's bad because the terrorists won. The terrorists won this morning," Peters said.

"Even if those terrorists are tracked down and killed - and I hope they are killed and die miserably - the end result of this is going to be we're going to continue to self-censor."

Peters said that no publication in the English-speaking world had the guts to take on Islamic fanaticism and mock Islamic fanatics as Charlie Hebdo did.

"The correct response to this attack, by all of us in journalism ... if we had guts, those cartoons would be reprinted on the front page of The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times tomorrow. They won't be."

"Brave journalists died and cowardly ones will profit."

Peters also said that we've seen terrorism get more and more sophisticated and pervasive, as we lose the will to fight.

"This was a horrible attack on brave journalists, but every day dozens and hundreds of people around the world are slaughtered by Islamic extremists, and we will not come to grips with it," Peters said.

"Our president will not come to grips with it, journalists will not come to grips with it, even our military is lawyer-addled, lawyer-ridden and worried about offending our enemies," he asserted.

"We in the journalism world are not going to stand up against fanatical Islam. We're just not gonna do it. We don't have the guts."
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Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1186 on: January 07, 2015, 09:47:56 PM »
I've seen those covers on plenty of news sites, though...
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« Reply #1187 on: January 07, 2015, 09:58:30 PM »
I feel like this will create a crossroads between western world and islam going forward. there's no fucking way islam at large can spout "religion of peace" "extreme few" when cartoonists were killed for drawing muhammad. european hostility towards muslims is going to fucking skyrocket now, especially in france, and it was already pretty high before this.

While I was in Turkey, everyone I spoke with condemned the terrorist acts, and was ashamed that anything like that would be associated with a religion based on peace and love and charity. It was explained to me that the Koran doesn’t have any passages supporting taking vengeance on others; in contrast, the Bible has all manner of talk about when it’s OK to kill in God’s name. I haven’t read either book, so I don’t know if that’s true, but the speaker claimed that the leaders of the Taliban, for example, were able to claim murder as viable in God’s name solely because the followers were illiterate and unable to read the Koran for themselves.

Doesn’t seem like that argument holds up consistently, but I thought it was an interesting take.
There might be something to the illiteracy part. The kind of Koran schools you hear of in places like Afghanistan are just cram schools where the kids learn to read the book and recite it by heart, not to understand its content. To be more precice, they learn it in Arabic and not Pashto or any of the other languages of Afghanistan. I assume actual religous study is done at the mosque. For liturgical purposes though they'd still have to use Arabic I believe.
If they wanted to check what the Koran says they'd have to get a translation or an annotated version, which I'm not sure are readily available everywhere. Or outright learn Arabic, I suppose.

This blog post and especially the comments have more info:
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=14046

Besides that the people your acquaintance has in mind might actually be illiterate in any language, though that's probably a small minority.
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Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1188 on: January 07, 2015, 10:04:54 PM »
I've heard the case made before that both the allowance of (people outside The Church) translating the Bible along with increasing literacy (and publishing capability) did much to effectively line up the pins for Martin Luther and Church of England to contest interpretation of it on a wide scale.

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« Reply #1189 on: January 07, 2015, 10:09:21 PM »
Actually, I have no idea why I'm using my fifth-hand knowledge about subjects I learn about unintentionally when I could talk about all the different translations of historical/political documents and that effect. Like especially all the Greek/Roman historical details. Wave my degrees around before pointing you to the wikipedia pages. Or reference Ezra Klein talking about how you can't understand the Constitution because it's like a hundred years old.

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« Reply #1190 on: January 07, 2015, 11:35:47 PM »
I've heard the case made before that both the allowance of (people outside The Church) translating the Bible along with increasing literacy (and publishing capability) did much to effectively line up the pins for Martin Luther and Church of England to contest interpretation of it on a wide scale.
this is something you don't see at all in the East. Coptic, Syriac, Armenian and Georgian churches existed in full communion with the Orthodox, Greek see in Constantinople.* Discourse between the sees was the norm for centuries until boundaries were redrawn, and each church assumed autocephaly/autonomy/complete detachment depending on the new political climate (which kind of explains why they became important national/cultural symbols in the Modern Period).

I don't study the Catholic Church in the High Middle Ages/Early Modern Period (from what I've read it's fascinating though, from a power politics perspective), but a big theme I've gleaned from people who do know what they're talking about is that Rome's first interest is making sure that the laity's conversation with God happens through the Church. If you preach while claiming an authority that isn't mediated through the papacy you're an apostate. If the region you're preaching in also happens to be a political powder keg (Albigensian Crusade/Hussite Wars), that's a recipe for inquisition. Rome isn't necessarily interested in what you believe, but how you believe it and it follows that standardizing the vernacular of the Bible provides a huge advantage to the Church in interpretation.

It's really tempting to draw parallels between the Reformation and what we're seeing in the Middle East right now (burgeoning nation-states, technology providing access to a vocal and liberal lower/middle class), the issue is that, following the dissolution of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1923, there is no formal head of (Sunni) Islam. The Salafi/Wahhabi factions who would be opposed to vernacular Qur'ans are just that, factions, who hold significant political capital, but not absolute appellancy. From what I've read, opposition to a nebulous western imperialism (which, in light of the past 100 years, is a little justified, if not well-articulated to say the least) is just about the only consensus opinion within the Middle East writ large; political thinking is incredibly fragmented, as well it should be because we're talking about 50+ countries spanning half the globe. I'm not fully informed about the Middle East's economic climate, but I can't imagine that in a global economy that forces you to organize and standardize your human capital in order to compete, there won't be increasing pressure from the bottom up for states to conform to Western educational and human rights standards, especially provided the West's (ostensible) current economic hegemony.

tl;dr: something something, legacy of the Enlightenment, you imperialist kuffar have nothing to worry about


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Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1191 on: January 07, 2015, 11:50:50 PM »
the issue is that, following the dissolution of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1923, there is no formal head of (Sunni) Islam.

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« Reply #1192 on: January 08, 2015, 12:11:29 AM »
Fox is right, these Islamic terrorists are insane. Just think what they would do if provoked by a video.
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« Reply #1193 on: January 09, 2015, 04:16:13 AM »
Thought this was an interesting read:
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/

The Mohammed cartoons never quite sat right with me, at least not calling them "satire" since the definition of satire I go by is that it's supposed to challenge power structures. The Mohammed cartoons ended up kicking down instead, since they are making fun of basic tenets of a religion that entire populations adhere to.

I wasn't familiar with Charlie Hebdo before this incident either, but when the leading cartoonists are white males in their 60:s, 70:s and 80:s I guess the style of humor isn't really aligned with mine.
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« Reply #1194 on: January 09, 2015, 05:21:57 AM »
Thought this was an interesting read:
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/

The Mohammed cartoons never quite sat right with me, at least not calling them "satire" since the definition of satire I go by is that it's supposed to challenge power structures. The Mohammed cartoons ended up kicking down instead, since they are making fun of basic tenets of a religion that entire populations adhere to.

I wasn't familiar with Charlie Hebdo before this incident either, but when the leading cartoonists are white males in their 60:s, 70:s and 80:s I guess the style of humor isn't really aligned with mine.

I agree that it's a good read, a thoughtful one, but I also don't agree with its point... although I'm not entirely sure what its point is. Yes, CH was racially and religiously charged. They were inconsiderate, and in consistently bad taste. The religionists who took offense decided that killing the source of the things which offended them responded asymmetrically. Their actions will only make life for the already-marginalized Muslim community in France more difficult.

The Westboro Baptist Church picketing a funeral is offensive and inconsiderate. I'd like to think that if someone pulled a drive-by on one of their gatherings all of us here would be properly aghast and horrified. Violence is not an acceptable answer to free speech.

Most of the time it just means the enacting of violence was due to not being able to generate a clever retort.

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Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1195 on: January 09, 2015, 05:39:37 AM »
Thought this was an interesting read:
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2015/01/in-the-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-does-not-mean-freedom-from-criticism/

The Mohammed cartoons never quite sat right with me, at least not calling them "satire" since the definition of satire I go by is that it's supposed to challenge power structures. The Mohammed cartoons ended up kicking down instead, since they are making fun of basic tenets of a religion that entire populations adhere to.

I wasn't familiar with Charlie Hebdo before this incident either, but when the leading cartoonists are white males in their 60:s, 70:s and 80:s I guess the style of humor isn't really aligned with mine.

I agree that it's a good read, a thoughtful one, but I also don't agree with its point... although I'm not entirely sure what its point is. Yes, CH was racially and religiously charged. They were inconsiderate, and in consistently bad taste. The religionists who took offense decided that killing the source of the things which offended them responded asymmetrically. Their actions will only make life for the already-marginalized Muslim community in France more difficult.

The Westboro Baptist Church picketing a funeral is offensive and inconsiderate. I'd like to think that if someone pulled a drive-by on one of their gatherings all of us here would be properly aghast and horrified. Violence is not an acceptable answer to free speech.

Most of the time it just means the enacting of violence was due to not being able to generate a clever retort.

Yep, agree 100% on the free speech thing. My point is that I don't call it satire, and that I won't post any "Je Suis Charlie" stuff because I don't really like the publication after looking into it. Their provocations led to extremists lashing out with extreme, idiotic violence, killing 10 people. Was this the intended effect, and if not, what was? Indirectly, this will lead to the muslim minority of France and other countries being treated with even more disdain and suspicion, and will lead to easy talking points for counterjihadi/nationalist movements in France and other countries. Counterproductive?
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Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1196 on: January 09, 2015, 05:54:15 AM »
Islamic Seal Team Six my ass, shooting unarmed civvies

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Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1197 on: January 09, 2015, 06:20:08 AM »
I have similar views, Hyoushi. Mass murder will amplify resentment against the "Muslim community" at large infinitely more than any cartoon may have though, so it's kind of a moot point that they were kicking Muslims when they were down. I don't know where things can go from here. People in the west aren't going to stop ridiculing and slandering Islam and Muslims any time soon. Any Muslim crazy enough to murder over an affront going forward is only going to make things that much worse for everyone.

If it's true that those responsible for this attack were in Al Qaida training camps though it might be time to drop the hammer on anyone else who's gone through similar training as soon is it's found out...

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Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1198 on: January 09, 2015, 09:51:03 AM »
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Paris authorities are officially treating Thursday's fatal shooting of a police officer, the second act of deadly violence the area has seen in as many days, as an act of terror.

A female police officer was fatally shot and a maintenance worker was injured when a gunman opened fire in Montrouge, a suburb south of Paris. The officer was responding to a traffic accident, according to the Associated Press.

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The Paris prosecutor's office confirmed that a gunman took hostages Friday at a kosher supermarket in eastern Paris, the Associated Press reported.

Senior police official Christophe Tirante said the gunman killed two people and took five people hostage, including women and children, according to the New York Times.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gunman-takes-hostages-paris-kosher-shop

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Re: France under fire - International Politics Thread
« Reply #1199 on: January 09, 2015, 10:39:28 AM »
I'd like to think that if someone pulled a drive-by on one of their gatherings all of us here would be properly aghast and horrified.

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