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« Reply #3000 on: April 20, 2017, 02:49:28 AM »
I'd heard things were getting pretty bad there, like people standing in line all day just to get food and then still going home empty-handed sometimes. Hopefully they can somehow get things righted, but the current leadership sounds like it's still pretty entrenched [and still has the backing of the military].

I'm sure it's always been this way, but it just feels like some many places across the globe are in chaos or veering towards it. :-\
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« Reply #3001 on: April 20, 2017, 07:19:53 AM »
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« Reply #3002 on: April 20, 2017, 11:48:38 AM »
I'd heard things were getting pretty bad there, like people standing in line all day just to get food and then still going home empty-handed sometimes. Hopefully they can somehow get things righted, but the current leadership sounds like it's still pretty entrenched [and still has the backing of the military].

I'm sure it's always been this way, but it just feels like some many places across the globe are in chaos or veering towards it. :-\
Oh it's really awful, worse than I ever remember.

A good example, one of my friends in Venezuela got a can of condensed milk for Christmas and that was it and she was one of the lucky people.
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« Reply #3003 on: April 20, 2017, 03:59:33 PM »
sounds like Poland during martial law in the 80s

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« Reply #3004 on: April 20, 2017, 09:46:35 PM »
I'd heard things were getting pretty bad there, like people standing in line all day just to get food and then still going home empty-handed sometimes. Hopefully they can somehow get things righted, but the current leadership sounds like it's still pretty entrenched [and still has the backing of the military].

Quick and dirty overview if you've got 20 minutes (the last bit is about how shit Orban is, which is both unrelated and vaguely understood by anyone who reads a newspaper).

https://soundcloud.com/naclaradio/49-1-julia-buxton-on-venezuela

If you don't have the time: Venezuela's opposition is lol, which exacerbates the situation considerably. Shockingly no one has a quick solution to improving a country with perhaps the most severe case of Dutch disease out there.

Funny how the PSUV's poor record on advancing women or removing the obvious racial bias in patterns of incarceration never comes up, isn't it? :marimo

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« Reply #3005 on: April 22, 2017, 07:45:18 PM »
Jehovah Witnesses might just have been banned and outlawed by a Russian court decision. Their headquarters might get closed & property seized as a result, along with publications being censored.
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« Reply #3006 on: April 23, 2017, 06:47:16 AM »
Pandering to the Orthodox Church(goers), or 'foreign influence is ew'-nationalism?

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« Reply #3007 on: April 23, 2017, 07:36:11 AM »
Pandering to the Orthodox Church(goers), or 'foreign influence is ew'-nationalism?

Probably a little dash of both, there were mentions that a Tolstoi quote lambasting the Orthodox Church in their literature was among the things mentioned in court. Maybe also genuine concern at a sectarian movement (JW members refusing blood transfusions for themselves and more importantly their children was apparently a sticking point of outrage, as they are most everywhere including in the Western world).

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The unlikely case of a Le Pen - Mélenchon second round would at least provide me with much entertainment from the foreign press (Atlantic liberalism am cry, the Economist journalists on suicide watch).
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« Reply #3008 on: April 23, 2017, 07:49:56 AM »
Maybe also genuine concern at a sectarian movement (JW members refusing blood transfusions for themselves and more importantly their children was apparently a sticking point of outrage, as they are most everywhere including in the Western world).
I would prefer that, but [vague cynicism]. Being a prozelytizing religion is reason reason enough for me.

As you probably guessed, I voted this morning. Nothing to do now but wait for the results around 20-21h.
The unlikely case of a Le Pen - Mélenchon second round would at least provide me with much entertainment from the foreign press (Atlantic liberalism am cry, the Economist journalists on suicide watch).
Haha! German evening news were already vewwy wowwied.

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« Reply #3009 on: April 23, 2017, 12:28:20 PM »
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Former President Barack Obama gently waded back into international politics on Thursday, talking by phone with French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron.

Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said "an endorsement was not the purpose of the call, as President Obama is not making any formal endorsement."

"President Obama appreciated the opportunity to hear from Mr. Macron about his campaign and the important upcoming presidential election in France, a country that President Obama remains deeply committed to as a close ally of the United States, and as a leader on behalf of liberal values in Europe and around the world," Lewis said.

Macron released video of his side of the call in a tweet reading in English, “Let’s keep defending our progressive values. Thank you for this discussion@BarackObama.”
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when am i allowed to start tweeting fake poll results claiming it's exit polling data and get threatened by French authorities

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« Reply #3010 on: April 23, 2017, 12:31:49 PM »
What a 1973 French Novel Tells Us About Marine Le Pen, Steve Bannon and the Rise of the Populist Right
Stridently anti-immigrant, The Camp of Saints was originally ignored or pilloried. Now, it’s found a following.
The feeling you get when that one student writes all their papers about a single subject they're obsessed with?

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In 1973, a strange apocalyptic novel imagined the Southern coast of France suddenly overrun by hundreds of boats “piled high with layer on layer of human bodies” carrying hundreds of thousands of migrants from the Indian continent. Within 24 hours, as the military response fails, political elites capitulate and the French native population collapses morally, poisoned by their “damned, obnoxious, detestable pity” for “other races,” the West falls to the “black and brown” invasion “swarming” across its land.

Much has been made recently about this grandiloquent, often verbose and violently racist 325-page dystopia, The Camp of the Saints, written by the French novelist (and royalist) Jean Raspail. Forty-four years after its release, the book is said to have sold 500,000 copies, at least according to Raspail himself, and has become the bible of alt-right circles in the United States and in France.
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But Le Camp des Saints, to use the original French title, wasn’t always seen this way. In fact, it was initially panned by critics in France and sold poorly
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A key moment for The Camp of the Saints was the release of its 2011 reprint edition, which sold more than 70,000 copies within four years. It also received extensive media coverage, including interviews in popular talk shows, and lavish reviews in mainstream weeklies like Le Point and L’Express, as well as the more conservative Valeurs Actuelles. The same Le Figaro that, 40 years earlier, had destroyed Raspail’s book, opened its columns to a long, genial interview with its author.

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« Reply #3011 on: April 23, 2017, 01:29:38 PM »
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Former President Barack Obama gently waded back into international politics on Thursday, talking by phone with French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron.

Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said "an endorsement was not the purpose of the call, as President Obama is not making any formal endorsement."

"President Obama appreciated the opportunity to hear from Mr. Macron about his campaign and the important upcoming presidential election in France, a country that President Obama remains deeply committed to as a close ally of the United States, and as a leader on behalf of liberal values in Europe and around the world," Lewis said.

Macron released video of his side of the call in a tweet reading in English, “Let’s keep defending our progressive values. Thank you for this discussion@BarackObama.”
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when am i allowed to start tweeting fake poll results claiming it's exit polling data and get threatened by French authorities

Well, every election Belgian and Swiss papers are doing so anyway, so fire away.
Belgian media (Public RTBF or the french speaking La Libre Belgique) are claiming to relay "exit polls" from a "renowned institute" whose name they won't disclose to protect the innocent guilty (institutes of course promised to French authorities they wouldn't disclose any early data). It's unclear how reliable those would be. All vague musings relayed by La Libre has Macron in the lead with 22-24%, with Le Pen behind (except one that mention Mélenchon in second place). Last polls were so tight (All four leading candidates within 18-22%) that all manners of permutation could be believable.

Ballot offices are closed in most of France since 26mn and will do so in major cities in 34mn. TV has an habit of having the two names right for 8pm and the full official results by city are generally available in the night (or published in the following days).
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« Reply #3012 on: April 23, 2017, 01:49:55 PM »
Also we really, really hope Fillon finish third or fourth. Watching him get reckt by his own friends and then courts would be an enjoyable past time.
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« Reply #3013 on: April 23, 2017, 02:00:58 PM »
Macron and Le Pen.

Hamon got obliterated lolz. 6.5%

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« Reply #3014 on: April 23, 2017, 02:25:00 PM »
Nobody actually thought the Socialists had a chance did they? :comeon
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« Reply #3015 on: April 23, 2017, 02:27:36 PM »
Hamon will rebound. He's young and he seems fairly bright. He probably will get a rough time in the party in the coming months.

The upcoming legislative elections just became a lot more interesting tho. Always thought it was a mistake to bind them so closely to the presidential vote and abolish the unofficial midterm.
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« Reply #3016 on: April 23, 2017, 03:06:15 PM »
Nobody actually thought the Socialists had a chance did they? :comeon
Not after Macron started his own bid. When he was toying with running as a Socialist they sometimes got into the runoff in polls. Once he left, him and Bayrou basically eliminated the Socialists and the Greens from hitting double digits most of the time. (Then obviously Bayrou dropped which boosted both Macron and Melenchon imo.)

The upcoming legislative elections just became a lot more interesting tho. Always thought it was a mistake to bind them so closely to the presidential vote and abolish the unofficial midterm.
I've never understood why they didn't align them within the same year. Having four nationwide-focused elections in basically three months.
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« Reply #3017 on: April 23, 2017, 03:13:11 PM »
Speaking of things I don't understand, why the legislative elections don't use a full-on runoff, that system is almost as bad as the Democratic Party's rules for caucus delegate allocation.

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« Reply #3018 on: April 23, 2017, 03:13:48 PM »
Another question : Chirac plainly snobbed Le Pen and refused to even grant him a debate. Not sure Macron can afford that. I hope he gets a cracking debate preparation because Le Pen can sure bark loud.
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« Reply #3019 on: April 23, 2017, 03:21:31 PM »
Here's the one I remember from 2012 before which I thought the legislative ones did a 50%+1 run-off like the Presidency, Hauts-de-Seine 9th:

First round:
UPM - 30.4%*
DVD - 26.9%*
Socialist - 22.1%*
National Front - 5.3%
Centrist - 4.7%
DVD - 3.0%
Green - 3.0%
Communist - 2.1%
Pirate - 1.3%
RPG - 0.5%

Second round:
DVD - 39.4%
UPM - 38.4%
Socialist - 22.2%

Why keep the third place party around? (Or potentially up to eighth place if I remember the criteria right.)

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« Reply #3020 on: April 23, 2017, 03:28:33 PM »
Another question : Chirac plainly snobbed Le Pen and refused to even grant him a debate. Not sure Macron can afford that. I hope he gets a cracking debate preparation because Le Pen can sure bark loud.
Don't do a standard "debate" but do like an appearance on a show together. Whatever the French equivalent of Meet The Press or Fox News Sunday is. Then ignore Le Pen while letting her fight with the interviewer/moderator.

Maybe Russia Today can hold it with Larry King hosting.

Really you could just bury it in "negotiations" you have no intention of ever agreeing to since the time frame is so short. Unless the polls change.

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« Reply #3021 on: April 23, 2017, 03:29:58 PM »
Mélenchon not admitting defeat yet. You go boy.

Edit: Daddy Le Pen interviewed on BFM.

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« Reply #3022 on: April 23, 2017, 03:45:15 PM »
Besides the presidency which is the ultimate form of incarnated politics (absent a king / consul / emperor), French politics aren't big on strict runoffs. Contrary to the current (and rather new) wisdom I hear in the media that the Vth Republic was built on bipartism (actually really conceived as a one governing party system), French politics have long been the affair of at least any 3 or 4 strong in the moment factions. It's only really in the mid nineties that so called gaullist heirs put the center right on a tight leash and that the radical left appeared to have been muted forever.
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« Reply #3023 on: April 23, 2017, 03:56:04 PM »


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« Reply #3025 on: April 23, 2017, 04:13:16 PM »
It begins : Feuer frei on Fillon.
Lots of "It's not our ideas that were defeated (it's the person)".

Lots of socialists going to partake to Macron's soup too or hoping to become the obligatory ally and capture his popularity to the benefit of the party.
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« Reply #3026 on: April 23, 2017, 04:28:27 PM »
Holy fuck what the hell do the voters see in Macron ? Dude is giving his adress and it's the most milquetoast thing ever. He looks like a kid (the bright type) playing grownup with a string of endless and vague banalities.

He's like a corporation made people :/
Yet he arouses crowds like a rock star.


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« Reply #3028 on: April 23, 2017, 05:20:11 PM »
Le Pen also did very well with the votes of rank and file employees, workers and the lowest revenue families -not that it's a recent development- though Mélenchon is doing OK on all of those counts.

Also the official tally (on 70% of ballots) has Le Pen ahead though I guess we're waiting for big cities definitive results where she is more likely to tank.

http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2017/FE.html

500k white votes too, as those are tallied up now.
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« Reply #3030 on: April 23, 2017, 05:43:04 PM »
A few other random bits :

French Polynesia and New Caledonia saw Fillon and Le Pen get a third of the vote each. Polynesia has some autonomous institutions that have been locked by local barons with strong ties to the French right. Fillon was endorsed by the current territory president, Le Pen by the former one (Gaston Flosse, a seasoned politician and even more seasoned crook).
French Guyana, which just underwent a major strike, saw Mélenchon and Le Pen get a quarter of the vote.

All the aforementioned overseas territories had rather low turnout however (40 to 50% compared to the roughly 75% for all of France).

Mélenchon took a third of the vote, easily distancing Le Pen (18%) in Saint Pierre et Miquelon off the cost of Canada thanks to 933 votes.

Apparently Macron was the winner for most of the French citizens living in North America, except in Montréal.
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« Reply #3032 on: April 23, 2017, 06:43:28 PM »


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« Reply #3033 on: April 23, 2017, 07:46:45 PM »
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« Reply #3034 on: April 24, 2017, 01:52:03 AM »
Why is the media calling Macron the "centrist candidate" when he was a member of the Socialist Party for 4 years?

I don't know much about him but I'm having a hard time pegging where he actually falls on the spectrum given his political affiliations vs some of his actions.


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« Reply #3035 on: April 24, 2017, 02:09:06 AM »
Because he left the party to make his own. Which has a more centrist position.

Essentially, he's socially left, economically right.

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« Reply #3036 on: April 24, 2017, 02:36:20 AM »
Why is the media calling Macron the "centrist candidate" when he was a member of the Socialist Party for 4 years?

DAMN YOU MEDIA AND YOUR CORRECT NEWS !  :maf
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« Reply #3037 on: April 24, 2017, 03:58:02 AM »
Why is the media calling Macron the "centrist candidate" when he was a member of the Socialist Party for 4 years?

I don't know much about him but I'm having a hard time pegging where he actually falls on the spectrum given his political affiliations vs some of his actions.


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« Reply #3038 on: April 24, 2017, 05:55:43 AM »
All joking aside Macron is definitely center left by any metric in French politics. He left the Socialist Party 8 years ago after a mere 4 years as a member.
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« Reply #3039 on: April 24, 2017, 08:14:14 AM »
And he's going to compromise on 'social' wherever necessary possible, if he adheres to the patterns in Europe these last few decades.

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« Reply #3040 on: April 24, 2017, 05:08:20 PM »
i thought it was a fair question..
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« Reply #3041 on: April 24, 2017, 06:38:45 PM »
i thought it was a fair question..

Says he's "neither right nor left".

Pro-EU in its current form.

Works with a center right christian democrat and "second left" socialists.

Thinks the 35h / week of labor law (the last progressive one in the workplace voted by socialists in 2002) was a mistake.

Thinks private corporations are great.

Wants to reduce the perimeter of the already mostly symbolic tax on high wealth (voted by socialists in 1982).

Wants to reduce the number of public servants by 120k.

Wants a single & unique, "simpler", unemployment benefit regime. Wants a single & unique, "simpler", pension regime.

Helmed a law as the Economy Minister that was greeted by the big CEO association and that included among other things more lax conditions for companies that want to have their employees work on Sundays.

The first measure on his official website with regards to fighting against low revenue and work insecurity is, I shit you not, to reduce the amount of social safety net budget being picked on wages. Reducing those is his magic ointment to all labor problems too, he wants to reinstitute the exoneration of those payments for overtime hours (something done by Sarkozy); drag them to almost zero on lower wages or give subsidies to companies creating jobs in difficult areas "it would be as if they were not paying for the social safety net" (I quote...).

Etc...

I mean obviously I'm picking the choice bits here but some of those are aggressively not "leftist" in any sense.
And yeah it's a fair question but the way you phrased it originally read loaded TBQH.
He was a party member 8 years ago when barely in his thirties. And while he worked as an advisor then minister to a socialist president, he was often a critic of the already very mild Hollandism.
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« Reply #3042 on: April 24, 2017, 06:52:35 PM »
But he was a member of the Socialist Party! :smug


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« Reply #3044 on: April 26, 2017, 04:24:11 PM »
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Sounds a lot like the "liberals" in the Democratic party. 
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« Reply #3045 on: April 26, 2017, 04:25:06 PM »
https://twitter.com/peatreebojangle/status/857236653395587073

When you have to try to explain that "it wasn't technically kidnapping" then you've pretty much already lost.
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« Reply #3046 on: April 26, 2017, 04:27:16 PM »
https://twitter.com/peatreebojangle/status/857236653395587073

When you have to try to explain that "it wasn't technically kidnapping" then you've pretty much already lost.
It was a long time ago, OK?

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« Reply #3047 on: April 26, 2017, 07:53:08 PM »
"it wasn't technically kidnapping"

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« Reply #3049 on: May 01, 2017, 05:41:25 AM »
French presidential election inter-round :

The big item of discussion in week 1 was "radical left" Mélenchon not outright endorsing Macron (he kicked off the matter to an inner debate in his movement). I'm sparing you the details because really the rough outline of that debate is just the same as the whole "BernieBros voting Trump" / "Far left is actually the closest to the far right" / "Won't someone think of the Republic :brazilcry " and we're all tired of that.

Besides that whole debate was overshadowed this Friday when the right wing sovereignist "maverick" & biggest of the small candidates (or vice versa) Nicolas Dupont Aignan actually endorsed Marine Le Pen after talks for a purpoted negociated platform and government position in case of a win. In absolute it's not too surprising as his position was always between the mainstream and the far right (and containment is bound to decay as years go by), but as a self-avowed Gaullist (of the purest kind, by his own judgement) it's kind of messy to reach so gleefully for the hand of the heirs of German-occupied France. There's been plenty of high profile departures from his party in the following day and scorn from the mainstream right, but he claims to have had "600 new members" (:goty of the head clean shaven kind ?). Short-term he's a pariah but I guess he's betting that it will pay off dividends in the future (and maybe as soon as the National Assembly elections coming) if and when the mainstream right will finally give in to lucrative alliances with neo-fascists.

Otherwise it's funny that an election so dominated by new faces and old parties getting kicked in the nuts should be won by the closest thing to a continuity candidate for the current (unpopular) government.
:yeshrug

Watched one of the economists (From the Collège de France, so not even the half of a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow type) supporting Macron on TV. He said some interesting and decent stuff but the thing that bothered me is that he explained that Macron liberalism was big on more / better "Dialogue social" (= More things negociated by employee unions, company owners and institutions instead of top down laws from the state) but a couple minutes later defended that Macron will reform huge chunks of the labor market by decree (or "executive orders") ASAP once he is in office.

Otherwise : Macron and Le Pen both went to see the workers of whatever factory is in strike and doing headlines at this point (a classic of the last campaign sprint), namely a Whirpool factory in Amiens. Le Pen went on a small fishing boat with a real worker of real France getting up really early. Macron went to the Shoah Memorial and a couple of others similar important symbols* (Le Pen didn't went to it, strangely enough. Maybe she was visiting a former Stalag in memory of all those that died by falling down the guard tower ?).

The big traditional debate is on May 3. It will be animated by less famous journalists that usual. Not important but not being subjected by the usual slimy TV anchors is a blessing. EDIT : Well reading about it, the public authority was concerned that the expected duo of moderators was all-male and ultimately everyone ended up agreeing on the two heads of the domestic politics office on their respective channels.

Macron being an horrible public speaker is a consensus. Supposedly he's much more persuasive & convincing in negociations and one-on-ones. I sure hope so...

* To note, Macron went to a ceremony for the memory of the victims of the Armenian genocide on a monument deidcated to Father Komitas, a member of the church and music composer who died in France while being exiled.
Though it has been more widely known and talked about in France, recognizing those events are still a hot topic for Turkish authorities. It's a little bit reassuring to me that Macron is willing to pay the political price of standing up for pas & present victims of opression.
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« Reply #3050 on: May 01, 2017, 06:30:41 AM »
Le Pen also got the support of Christine Boutin (fundamentalist Christian conservative) & Marie-France Garaud (former advisor of Pompidou & Chirac, has been steadily drifting right through decades).
Dupont-Aignan would be nominated Prime Minister.
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« Reply #3051 on: May 01, 2017, 11:48:07 AM »
Also, far from the peaceful transfer of power... The government led campaign in Chechnya against gay people, in violation of the Russian Federation laws (but without a peep from the Kremlin), sounds more terrible every day. Some Russian outlets suspects the use of black sites (since being gay isn't actually unlawful anyway) where people are tortured and then executed. Gay people who fled the country do confirm (in anonymous testimonies) that families are sometimes brought in after the torture and asked by authorities if they want to "clean the stain on their honor" themselves or let the state do it. Some families have taken up the offer and executed their own in the middle of the woods. That kind of rhetoric has been used by some officials too.

Novaya Gazeta, the Russian paper who broke the story, has received threats.

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Novaya Gazeta will mark its 25th anniversary next year. But Muratov is in no mood to celebrate. “It would have been better if they had closed us down, rather than killed all those people,” he said. “For some people, the closure of the paper would be a catastrophe. But not for me. Screw it. For me, it would be better for me if all those people were still alive instead. But another way was chosen for us — to kill.”

http://www.politico.eu/article/russian-paper-risks-backlash-over-chechnya-gay-torture-story/
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« Reply #3052 on: May 01, 2017, 02:18:58 PM »
Marine Le Pen Surges in Latest French Poll Against Globalist Emmanuel Macron
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Globalist Emmanuel Macron saw his huge lead over Marine Le Pen take a heavy hit this past week – one week before the national election.
The Express reported:

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EMMANUEL Macron’s lead over Marine Le Pen has taken a heavy hit as France prepares to vote in the final round of the election on Sunday.

Recent moves by Ms Le Pen to appeal to a wider audience seem to be working as she has removed herself as the leader of the Front National party, and rebranded her campaign with the new motto “Choose France”.

Pollster Harris Interactive, who correctly predicted the result of the first round, revealed a six points slip by Mr Macron since last Sunday.

Ms Le Pen said: “The country Mr Macron wants is no longer France; it’s a space, a wasteland, a trading room where there are only consumers and producers.”

The latest polls were conducted prior to the announcement that defeated first round presidential candidate Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, would be Ms Le Pen’s prime minister if she wins the presidency.
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The Harris Interactive poll places Mr Macron on 61 per cent and Ms Le Pen on 33 per cent.
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« Reply #3053 on: May 02, 2017, 05:42:31 AM »
French Temporary King Decision Update :

Macron "tried to save Greece out of crippling austerity" :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/angela-merkel-clashed-emmanuel-macron-greek-debt-deal-new-book/

Yanis Varoufakis, former Minister of Finace for Steam & Greece, endorsed Macron.

Meanwhile Marine Le Pen apparently had her latest speech with whole passages lifted from Fillon. And barely 2 weeks old. The first damage control : an "homage".
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https://twitter.com/RidiculeTV/status/859099588002811908

I thought about it and I'll probably be a good Republican boy (and conflicted statist-leftist-liberal) and go vote Macron next Sunday.
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« Reply #3054 on: May 02, 2017, 07:07:04 AM »
Marine Le Pen Surges in Latest French Poll Against Globalist Emmanuel Macron
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Globalist Emmanuel Macron saw his huge lead over Marine Le Pen take a heavy hit this past week – one week before the national election.
The Express reported:

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EMMANUEL Macron’s lead over Marine Le Pen has taken a heavy hit as France prepares to vote in the final round of the election on Sunday.

Recent moves by Ms Le Pen to appeal to a wider audience seem to be working as she has removed herself as the leader of the Front National party, and rebranded her campaign with the new motto “Choose France”.

Pollster Harris Interactive, who correctly predicted the result of the first round, revealed a six points slip by Mr Macron since last Sunday.

Ms Le Pen said: “The country Mr Macron wants is no longer France; it’s a space, a wasteland, a trading room where there are only consumers and producers.”

The latest polls were conducted prior to the announcement that defeated first round presidential candidate Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, would be Ms Le Pen’s prime minister if she wins the presidency.
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The Harris Interactive poll places Mr Macron on 61 per cent and Ms Le Pen on 33 per cent.
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« Reply #3055 on: May 03, 2017, 05:09:38 AM »
WHat's up with Le pen copying Fillon's speech? Does Front national just anything to stay in the news? They can't have thought nobody would notice?
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« Reply #3056 on: May 03, 2017, 05:18:30 AM »
:yeshrug

Who knows. Le Pen claims it's an "homage", a "wink to the mainstream right wing voters". It's claimed that the speechwriter (Paul-Marie Coûteaux) went from Fillon's team to supporting Le Pen after the first round and gave notes, though he denies it. This passage is basically a digested version of something he wrote in a book in 1997.
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« Reply #3057 on: May 03, 2017, 04:40:33 PM »
It's the big French debate. Listened 20mn, it was noisy and kind of shitty. Basically Le Pen does everything to throw back Macron to his participation in the former administration and paint him as a heartless liberal ayatollah / globalist reptilian, Macron is being super condescending and arrogant trying to expose Le Pen as a fraud with an incoherent program.

EDIT : Le Pen apparently went off the rails by the end.

Macron sounds magnificent when playing teacher. As magnificent, I guess, as some other young rising stars of French politics like President Giscard D'Estaing or some of our esteemed career public servants who went through the best schools. It all seems so simple when he explains he'll find 60 billions in savings to lessen taxes on companies and families (yet also invest 15 billions in renewable energies and hire cops, teachers & nurses) or that he want to unify the unemployement benefits system.

I already commented before on Lionel Zinsou, a Franco-Beninese economist (former prime minister of Benin) who is currently a guest in a decent (liberal) radio show. It was a breath of fresh air to have someone optimistic about the election and I was glad he fought back against some of the usual tropes in play in the media ("Divided / Fractured France") and reminded everyone, as minds are already drifting to the upcoming National Assembly election, that French politics actually had a fairly solid coalition culture and that bipartism is a fairly novel state of things (starting in 1981 by the most generous estimation, actually later IMO since you still have in 1995 a bitter rivalry between two major right wing candidates).

Speaking of the National Assembly election, another factor is contributing to the uncertainty : early in the Hollande presidency a law to forbid simultaneous tenure of certain mandates (especially being both a mayor and a member of parliament) was passed*. As a result, a couple of hundred (out of 577) current incumbents in the National Assembly have forfeited their reelection often in favor of their city hall position (longer mandate and easier to pander to your constituents, perhaps). Of course the two major parties are hit the hardest. This goes on top of having 5 potential strong political forces (Macron's movement, Socialists, Mélenchon's movement, Les Républicains and Front National) going in, with a system where any candidate above 12,5% in the first round can decide to run the second one.

* It was fought teeth and nails by some members of the majority despite the fact it was unanimously adopted by the Socialist Party in the platform and the popularity of the idea to voters...
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« Reply #3058 on: May 04, 2017, 04:51:12 AM »
To follow up on my ramblings and to speak of the little substance I got yesterday :

- Macron wants to supress (for 4 households out of five) the "taxe d'habitation" ("inhabitation tax") paid by tenants once a year. The tax is calculated depending on the city you live in and the size and type of place you rent, but roughly speaking it can amount to same sum you pay for monthly rent (in Paris proper much lower). This has two pressing issues attached to it : This will cost 15-20 billions and the tax was collected by local authorities for their budget. The state is supposed to pick up the tab by more money transfers to local authorities but in the past those have always been contentious, with controversies over the amounts and delays.

- As you may know the legal duration of labor hours for a week in France is 35 hours. In practice there's plenty of people working beyond that, even with permanent positions, with overtime factored in their contract. When asked about it, both candidates didn't gave a straight answer and spoke instead of having greater freedom for negociation within each company or sector. So they probably won't take the symbolic hit of messing with the law but will give the tools to go around it at the workfloor level...

- Macron is actually fairly nice to my corporation/sector and hasn't threatened to dismember our "privileges" ASAP unlike a lot of of the usual surface level discussion about it.

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Oh an interesting paper in Le Monde.
http://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2017/05/04/les-franco-algeriens-plus-preoccupes-par-la-presidentielle-en-france-que-par-les-legislatives-en-algerie_5122003_3212.html

Algeria is voting for their parliament and 764000 people in France (binationals and emigrants/expatriates) are called to vote in those. Apparently they're not really aroused by the idea, as only 2500 people went to vote out 84000 to the Algerian consulate in Bobigny (Paris suburb, estimated to have the largest community in France). Poor information and poor knowledge about Algerian politics, the nebulous but autarcic & corrupt nature of Algerian power are apparently some of the factors of the lack of interest. In a franco-algerian café "Nobody speaks of the parliament elections in Algeria here, and we're all binationals", pointing at the TV which is full of coverage of the French campaign "There's already enough on our plate with this one".

A 40 years old man (staying on a long term visa in France) in line to vote at his consulate. "I would have rather liked to vote in the French election, it's more meaningful. Besides I live here."

A 50 years old Franco-Algerian waiting in front of the consulate : "I'll go vote Macron because he won't hurt us, unlike Marine Le Pen and her amalgams." "I'm very scared of the FLN... [A moment of self induced stupor] FN, I meant FN." (The FLN is the movement/party that won Algerian independence in 1962 and its remnant are still very much in control of the political apparatus).

Most Franco-Algerian are more interested in the French election. The head of a community association says Macron scored a lot of points with older binationals by taking a principled stance on colonization ("A crime against mankind", when the debate on the matter is often conflicted as it should be in a former colonizing power, if not outright apologetic).
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« Reply #3059 on: May 04, 2017, 06:31:42 AM »
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