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Re: International Politics Thread - Go! Macron V
« Reply #3120 on: May 17, 2017, 10:54:39 AM »
Bayrou not getting Foreign Affairs (but Justice) is a relief. France top diplomat is now Le Drian (Hollande defence minister for 5 years).

Not much bones for the left in this and the top priority of "reforming the labor market by decrees" is  :doge
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« Reply #3121 on: May 18, 2017, 07:21:44 AM »
In case one doubted that Macron was a choice by default for many :
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN18E1BG?il=0

Les Républicains decided to expel the party members who took ministries.

Meanwhile, the strange adventures of former Prime Minister Valls :
He's not endorsed by Macron's party, but they won't run someone against him.
He's not endorsed by the Socialists, but they won't run someone against him.
He's facing two independents (among others) who have on the ticket (as their back up candidate) Francis Lalanne, fabulously dressed singer with green concerns and Jaden Smith like awareness; Dieudonné, a talented black stand up comic who went down the rabbit hole of the far right and antisemitism some years ago. The candidate Dieudonné is the back up for is a man who slapped Valls once.
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« Reply #3122 on: May 18, 2017, 05:11:54 PM »
Les Républicains decided to expel the party members who took ministries.
Are they people who wouldn't be up for ministries under their own government or what? What if they win the election? Why not wait until after and say some bullshit like you were trying to be above politics or something until then? :lol

edit: Le Maire was Minister of Agriculture under Fillon just a few years ago ???

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« Reply #3123 on: May 18, 2017, 06:11:41 PM »
They're kicking them out not for accepting the job itself, but rather, working with Macron.

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« Reply #3124 on: May 18, 2017, 06:43:43 PM »
Just seems to me like the kind of vengeance you'd take out after the election though, not before it. Though maybe it'll play well with their voters, i dunno. I figure with the Socialists falling apart you'd want to position yourselves as the sensible opposition that can also work with Macron at times to put in as the government. Even if you have no intention to do so, you could point to these guys as an example.

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« Reply #3125 on: May 18, 2017, 07:20:25 PM »
I think the key point is that Macron is not so much creating a coalition but is making PS and LR implode. No love lost here for LR but really they're reacting out of self preservation, because if they let LREM (Macron's party new name) settle in the center right, they're going to be boxed in between him and the FN and marginalized from the strongest party in France (arguably the right has always been better at whipping people in line behind a single party) to a junior partner.

Polls are fairly confident LREM will do well and be able to have a strong enough numbers of MPs to build a majority.
Baroin's argument that they should have waited the June vote to accept jobs is a bit ludicrous though. Macron wasn't gonna wait a month to get to work.

Speaking of... First order of business : New labor reform they want to present by September. Guess this will be a good test to see if unions and the left are not comatose for good.
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« Reply #3126 on: May 18, 2017, 07:28:31 PM »
This OpinionWay poll says the Socialists are going to lose 230 or more seats. That'd be more than they lost in 1993 (207) which was the prior most for any existing party. Ouch.

It also doesn't have Melenchon's group gaining anymore jointly than they've had since they were still the Communists.

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« Reply #3128 on: May 22, 2017, 12:53:10 PM »
Putin will visit Paris and newly elected President Macron on May 29, on the day of the premiere of an exposition about Peter the Great celebrating his visit in 1717 (apparently the start of a permanent diplomatic mission between the two countries). An invite in 2016 was declined after then President Hollande decided reducing its scope in response to Russian moves towards Syria and Ukraine.

Probably not gonna change anything major.
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« Reply #3130 on: May 22, 2017, 08:40:16 PM »
19 confirmed dead

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« Reply #3131 on: May 23, 2017, 03:06:11 AM »
Children and teenagers among the victims, obviously at an Ariana Grande concert.
Fuck  :maf :'(
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« Reply #3132 on: May 23, 2017, 07:21:30 AM »
Reminder that this had nothing to do with Islam
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« Reply #3133 on: May 23, 2017, 07:29:59 AM »
Reminder that you're a piece of shit.

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« Reply #3134 on: May 23, 2017, 11:09:08 AM »
Children killed in the blast.

CBS reporting a name of the terrorist, but no other confirmations.

ISIS taking credit.

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« Reply #3135 on: May 23, 2017, 11:26:26 AM »
My girlfriend was there, happened minutes after the concert ended.


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« Reply #3137 on: May 24, 2017, 11:59:45 AM »
Speaking of, it has been forgotten amidst all the other stuff, but France is still under state of emergency (voted after the 2015 attacks) and Macron wants to extend it once more.

The satirical and investigative newspaper Canard Enchainé reveals thcis week that the new Minister for the Territorial Planning, Richard Ferrand, did employ his son when he was a parliament. Ferrand's cabinet confirms so and as a justification : "It's not easy finding a young man that has good writing/reading skills and knows how to use Internet in the center of Brittany"
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« Reply #3140 on: May 29, 2017, 08:00:15 PM »
Took me a minute to figure out what "b*****ks" was until I remembered what country this was from.
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« Reply #3141 on: May 30, 2017, 03:33:46 AM »
That Frenchie alphamaling Trump, then shit talking him, then shit talking Russia while next to Putin. Balls of steel.  :salute

I like the little shout-out they give to their Canadian brothers' favorite snack by renaming Vlady-chan:


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« Reply #3142 on: May 30, 2017, 03:57:01 AM »
For a rather inexperienced 39 years old dude, he certainly seems to have his international politics game on.
Hopefully he's going to get shit done at the national level.

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« Reply #3143 on: May 30, 2017, 05:59:23 AM »
Taking the joke seriously : We always spelled Putin like that.
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« Reply #3144 on: May 30, 2017, 03:37:24 PM »
For a rather inexperienced 39 years old dude, he certainly seems to have his international politics game on.
Hopefully he's going to get shit done at the national level.

Read the first part and thought I entered the GAF thread.

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« Reply #3145 on: May 30, 2017, 04:22:19 PM »
On GAF the post would have mentioned cishet white.

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« Reply #3146 on: May 31, 2017, 01:59:01 AM »
Chinese activists working for a company monitoring labor conditions in factories (recently over one making shoes, notably for Ivanka Trump labels) have been arrested :
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-labour-idUSKBN18R062?il=0
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« Reply #3147 on: June 01, 2017, 06:52:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/alexDellach/status/870286098693591040

White vote candidates in Alsace.

"Whatever you do, don't vote for us."
Ja mer kenna = "Yes we can."

Among their proposals : buying local products "The Alsatian Hamster will rise against the Chinese Panda".

Meanwhile Putin playfully admits that Russian (and patriot minded) hackers may, in theory, have been involved in all the data stealing surrounding the US election. Also compares them to artists (Can't wait for r/War and #Peace).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/01/putin-says-russian-role-in-election-hacking-theoretically-possible

However, the most important part of the article may be this :

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But on Thursday, the head of France’s cybersecurity agency said it found no sign that the Russian hacking group APT28, also known as FancyBear, was behind a large-scale hack of emails and data from Macron’s campaign.

Guillaume Poupard, director general of the ANSSI agency, told the Associated Press on Thursday that the Macron campaign hack “was so generic and simple that it could have been practically anyone”.

ANSSI experts investigated the hack, which resulted in about 9GB of data being dumped on the internet less than 48 hours before the second round run-off between Macron and far-right candidate Marine Le Pen.

Poupard said the investigation had uncovered no trace of APT28, adding that the attack’s simplicity “means we can imagine it was a person who did this alone. They could be in any country”.

Something bubble something narrative
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« Reply #3148 on: June 03, 2017, 11:23:02 AM »
So Corbyn's Labour is doing decent in polls, with the Tories seeing their grip melt like ice in the sun. They're still expected to lose, mind, but it's much above the expectations of most that Corbyn was gonna crater the party and that's with -as far as I understand- pretty lukewarm support from some in the apparatus.

Any opinion from UK residents ?
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« Reply #3150 on: June 03, 2017, 06:27:04 PM »
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/871117911259262976

Lot of this sad fuckery going on lately. Kabul bombing, the attack in Manilla (though last I heard it was unclear what the motive was).
Hopefully not terrible, but the reports of lots of ambulances leave one a bit weary.
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« Reply #3152 on: June 03, 2017, 06:40:12 PM »
Reports of possible stabbings seems to be verified, it's unfortunately not "just" some nutcase in a van. Possibly several suspects researched and maybe another incident nearby
Best to Londoners, they're in for a rough night.
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« Reply #3153 on: June 03, 2017, 06:45:12 PM »
how many more are people going to tolerate
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« Reply #3154 on: June 03, 2017, 06:49:51 PM »
how many more are people going to tolerate

Before what? What can realistically be done?

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« Reply #3155 on: June 03, 2017, 06:53:26 PM »
Some guy got arrested it seems. Just a couple of mins walk down my street.

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« Reply #3156 on: June 03, 2017, 06:59:59 PM »
how many more are people going to tolerate

Judging by recorded human history, quite a lot. :yeshrug
Not to be cold or insensitive, but that's the truth. Hundreds of people meet violent deaths everyday for political motivations (if we can assume it's what is happening here, which is a pretty safe bet). Terrorism casualties in Western countries are barely a blip on the radar when you put them into that perspective.

Feel terrible typing this because it's humans we're talking about, not just mere statistics.

But reastically there's not a lot more that can be done to prevent such attacks. Intelligence gathering and law enforcement sophistication are both already pretty high as it is while civil liberties are being encroached. I guess you can always hire more coppers, but it's not like Israël is capable of keeping those attacks 100% in check despite having the army occupying the problematic territory and a friggin' concrete wall along much of the border.
Similar past run of attacks in Western countries (Anarchists or Algerian Nationalists against France) flared down when the political cause motivating them slowly died off or was resolved. Whack-a-moling suspected islamists abroad, at great cost, may be disrupting them but it's ertainly not working as a solution.

Problem being it's not clear we know how to resolve this one (or if those who claims to know are right, the cost is deemed too taxing as of now). Letting it die off -again, if we're talking about religious extremists of muslim faith- will probably take a few more decades.
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« Reply #3157 on: June 03, 2017, 07:13:35 PM »
The infringement on liberties seems entirely pointless right now. America hasn't been having these frequent attacks, but it's got two oceans to stand in the way. Even still, it's not just a persons from outside issue. It's a way of thinking that could be helped if we got rid of the gutless spin.

It really can only be changed by honesty about the ideology and Europeans or Americans can't do much compared to what Muslims could do about it.

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« Reply #3158 on: June 03, 2017, 07:20:39 PM »
America hasn't been having these frequent attacks

Is that true though ? Counting Orlando, San Bernardino, the Boston bombing, NY bombings and probably a couple others I am forgetting ?
EDIT : Granted, there's apparently less networks and group actions involved.
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« Reply #3159 on: June 03, 2017, 07:34:37 PM »
I think America is in an earlier state of planning than Europe, in regards to networks and plans. The people who focus on Al Quaeda are heavily concerned that Bin Laden's son is rallying the troops so to speak, and Al Quaeda is more US focused than other groups. There's a cultural element to the planning as well, since terrorism is largely aimed at the psyche of the public than the innocent targets. There's also basic logistic problems due to America's size.

Al Quaeda is heavy planning so it would have to deal with those logistics. ISIS inspired stuff, which is getting more common, is only held back by the individual's competence. (Which makes it more frightening in a way.)

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« Reply #3160 on: June 03, 2017, 07:38:27 PM »

Pub being told to get down

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« Reply #3161 on: June 03, 2017, 08:08:25 PM »
how many more are people going to tolerate

Before what? What can realistically be done?

Actually cracking down on people "known" to authorities might be a start.

They need to get their shit together before people start kicking mosque doors down.

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« Reply #3162 on: June 03, 2017, 08:40:08 PM »
Possibly two suspects gunned down (quite a few reports of firefights throughout the night, though unclear how many and how reliable), three on the loose and loud explosions heard by the press at Borough Market, the site of the second incident. Hopefully the area was well cordoned by police to minimize casualties, as they've been present there for some time now.

EDIT : Apparently lots of eyewitnesses confirm that attackers tried to stab a large amount of people (reports that people in pubs were throwing bottles and tables at them to keep them away for several minutes). Thank god they didn't have rifles this time round.

I guess the only comforting thought is that most of the attacks in the last years only involve a handful of attackers every time and very rudimentary means. At some level the intelligence and police monitoring must be effective to keep the threat so part & parcel.
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« Reply #3163 on: June 03, 2017, 10:34:21 PM »
how many more are people going to tolerate

Before what? What can realistically be done?

Ding.

For more than a decade and a half, we have had nearly the entirety of the Western Security Apparatus completely dedicated to finding, stopping, and prosecuting terrorist threats.

You think that the current environment is a failure in that context?  Hell no.  This is success.  I am thankful and in awe that in 16 years, Canada has only suffered two successful terrorist attacks, with two fatalities.   And, while America has faced attacks, do you think the number of "successful" attacks bears any resemblance to what terrorists have tried to inflict on the USA?  Please.

There is only so much you can do to stop a lone crazy who is dedicated to an idea.

On this site, we're all probably civil libertarians to a degree, when it comes to our concern for privacy from state surveillance (yes, even me).   But increasing our chance of catching terrorists from 95% to 99% would likely mean an intrusion into our privacy which every last one of you would object to.

But that's not on the table anyway.  No matter what Snowden had to say, someone who wants their communications to remain concealed from the state is absolutely able to do so.  "Going dark" isn't the State telling scary ghost stories.  It's real.  It's here. It's just a fact of life.

Gaining 100% security against these attacks is impossible, and to come closer to it than we are now would require an Orwellian nightmare that no one wants.
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« Reply #3164 on: June 03, 2017, 11:01:55 PM »
 6 dead, 20 injured, with 3 suspects dead.  Police killed them with in 8 minutes of getting called.  This looks like it was handled incredibly well and besides prevention, is probably the best that could have been hoped for. 

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« Reply #3165 on: June 04, 2017, 10:26:55 AM »
Do you expect some privacy on the internet ? Judging by May's speech today, and some of past ramblings from western governments, don't.
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« Reply #3167 on: June 04, 2017, 01:32:29 PM »
Just did a quick swing by Borough High Street on the way back from work. You'd think this is a normal sunday. Brits are weird.

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« Reply #3168 on: June 04, 2017, 03:11:06 PM »
how many more are people going to tolerate

Before what? What can realistically be done?

Ding.

For more than a decade and a half, we have had nearly the entirety of the Western Security Apparatus completely dedicated to finding, stopping, and prosecuting terrorist threats.

You think that the current environment is a failure in that context?  Hell no.  This is success.  I am thankful and in awe that in 16 years, Canada has only suffered two successful terrorist attacks, with two fatalities.   And, while America has faced attacks, do you think the number of "successful" attacks bears any resemblance to what terrorists have tried to inflict on the USA?  Please.

2002 me would've been very surprised there haven't been several ≥ 9/11 attacks on the US by now, tbh
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« Reply #3169 on: June 04, 2017, 06:02:23 PM »
According to the BBC one of the terrorists was known, reported several times for his "extremist views".

May might want to look into that before shutting down the internet.

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« Reply #3170 on: June 04, 2017, 06:37:14 PM »
Just did a quick swing by Borough High Street on the way back from work. You'd think this is a normal sunday. Brits are weird.
Quiet determination. As it should be. It can seem foolish or callous, but in this context, I find it very appropriate.

According to the BBC one of the terrorists was known, reported several times for his "extremist views".

May might want to look into that before shutting down the internet.
You can play bingo with these revelations. Prior conviction(s), warnings from peers, violent tendencies, on at least one watchlist, already under observation, contact with islamists, etc. etc.

But then there are depressing twists to these sometimes, like with the Anis Amri case (Berlin Christmas attack). Berlin state police not only had grounds for an arrest (he was a drug dealer), but they also didn't actually observe him for as long as they were ordered to by the state prosecutor. On top of that, they tried to hide their negligence by fudging files.

Live and learn, I guess...

Also:
https://twitter.com/JFXM/status/871411401004396544

But hey, I guess policemen don't grow on trees either...
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« Reply #3171 on: June 04, 2017, 06:56:09 PM »
The Boston Marathon bombers were implicated in a triple homicide that the police sat on for two years because it was just a drug deal gone bad and who cares so they never followed any leads or anything to the boxing gym. That's how the FBI already knew the one guy's address.

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« Reply #3172 on: June 04, 2017, 07:06:10 PM »
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« Reply #3173 on: June 04, 2017, 07:37:35 PM »
The Boston Marathon bombers were implicated in a triple homicide that the police sat on for two years because it was just a drug deal gone bad and who cares so they never followed any leads or anything to the boxing gym. That's how the FBI already knew the one guy's address.

Someone getting shot over drugs isn't a real big red flag for terrorism, but weren't they implicated after the bombing anyway?

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« Reply #3174 on: June 04, 2017, 07:45:06 PM »
I was using it as an example of what Rufus was talking about. (I hope?) Had the police actually investigated the homicide it would have led them to at least one of the brothers arrested because that Boxing Gym was connected, they never went and told the victims families it was a case with no leads drug deal gone wrong blah blah, even though the FBI had their addresses and stuff, and a few years later they're getting into terrorism.

They would have stopped a terrorist plot without ever knowing it. So you can't put it in as something that'll pop up the person.

As an aside. My favorite after the fact terrorism investigation is still the WTC 1993 bombing, the idiot tried to get his deposit back on the truck they used for the bomb.

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« Reply #3175 on: June 04, 2017, 07:52:55 PM »
Well, they did investigate it, they just didn't get any suspects. This isn't even the first time this has happened in the past five years in Boston, or the most high profile https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2017/03/20/aaron-hernandez-murder-trial-new-england/99423920/

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« Reply #3176 on: June 05, 2017, 12:23:46 AM »
What the fuck just happened to the Gulf Cooperation Council?

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« Reply #3177 on: June 05, 2017, 02:36:01 AM »
According to the BBC one of the terrorists was known, reported several times for his "extremist views".

May might want to look into that before shutting down the internet.

To be fair, first call of action, at least in France, is to buff up Europol and intelligence sharing : certainly more efficiency gains to be made here. Though beyond a certain number of supposedly dangerous individuals you probably can't monitor everyone properly.
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« Reply #3178 on: June 05, 2017, 02:53:37 AM »
Also, to stay true to my username, I'm dismayed that politicians and the media towing behind them are not making a lot of efforts to articulate the problem of djihadism/terrorism in actual political terms within the public sphere and instead seem content to just stick to the surface, emotional response of calling terrorists monsterous evil doers part of a death cult which we can only eradicate like pest. There's also a disturbing tendency of slapping labels a few hours after the attacks (partially to open up the use of exception laws out of convenience for the investigation) but little place down the road being made to the actual results of the investigations relative to the actual motivations and being actually linked to a network that can be traced back conclusively to IS or any other.

I'm not sure we would come to any different conclusions with regards to using force as we currently do.
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« Reply #3179 on: June 05, 2017, 04:12:38 AM »
According to the BBC one of the terrorists was known, reported several times for his "extremist views".

May might want to look into that before shutting down the internet.

To be fair, first call of action, at least in France, is to buff up Europol and intelligence sharing : certainly more efficiency gains to be made here. Though beyond a certain number of supposedly dangerous individuals you probably can't monitor everyone properly.

There is certainly a problem in the UK compared to other EU countries. Here's some numbers from europol:



That attacks/arrests ratio isn't looking too good.

Link to the full report