Author Topic: The NBA thread (Read 1520693 times)

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #780 on:** December 21, 2010, 01:26:28 AM »

If it's true, can you prove it to me? 'cause I'm pretty much sure I can prove to you that it's not.

Mandark · « **Reply #781 on:** December 21, 2010, 01:31:03 AM »

Yeah, that sounds like one of those wrong-but-truthy bits of received wisdom that drive Bill James types up a wall.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #782 on:** December 21, 2010, 01:41:23 AM »

Bill James doesn't watch basketball, dude. Also, he contradicts himself with his high ranking of DiMaggio.

Actually I'm a big believer in statistical analysis, which is why I've never been convinced by the Kobe myth despite living in LA.

I admit that statement was lazy but a quick glance at Lebron and Dwyane's game logs show that they both generally shot poorly when only having 15 or less FG attempts per game.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #783 on:** December 21, 2010, 02:01:00 AM »

At least we can all agree Kobe is the greatest clutch player ever amirite

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #784 on:** December 21, 2010, 02:20:12 AM »

btw just because its on my mind since that Orlando trade.

Rashard Lewis is the second highest paid player in the NBA this year and his salary is $19,573,711. (Kobe is first)

This is for a guy who is currently averaging 12.2 points and shooting 42% from the field.

Yeah....

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #785 on:** December 21, 2010, 02:20:57 AM »

Kobe is great, but one of these days Pau is going to take the last shot and Kobe is going to have him executed in his sleep. He's pathological about it.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #786 on:** December 21, 2010, 02:22:45 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:20:12 AM

btw just because its on my mind since that Orlando trade.

Rashard Lewis is the second highest paid player in the NBA this year and his salary is $19,573,711. (Kobe is first)

This is for a guy who is currently averaging 12.2 points and shooting 42% from the field.

Yeah....

I give you...Nick Collison

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1978

I mean, any time you can wrap up 5ppg and 4.5 rpg for less than $14 million, you have to take it

(in fairness, he's on a weird front-loaded deal that will decline significantly from next year...but still, at least people have HEARD of Rashard Lewis)

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #787 on:** December 21, 2010, 02:36:49 AM »

Here is the top ten for this season if anybody is curious.

http://sportige.com/2010-2011-biggest-contracts/

Beezy · « **Reply #788 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:42:27 AM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:36:49 AM

Here is the top ten for this season if anybody is curious.

http://sportige.com/2010-2011-biggest-contracts/

hilarious

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #789 on:** December 21, 2010, 12:32:04 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:36:49 AM

Here is the top ten for this season if anybody is curious.

http://sportige.com/2010-2011-biggest-contracts/

About half of those guys are UNDERpaid in terms of value they create to the franchise. How do you put a price on what Kobe, Pau, KG or Tim Duncan have done for their respective franchises? Ditto for LeBron, Wade, Chris Paul etc etc. They all get paid the max but would you doubt that the Knicks would pay $50 million/yr for LeBron right now, if they were allowed to? Of course not. He'd make that money back for them and more too.

Of the rest, well, the injured guys like Yao and Michael Redd seem like a waste of money at first, and the idiot who wrote that piece seems to agree. But he's not taking into account that the teams all have injury insurance up the ass, and they typically get injury exemptions from the league as well so they can sign replacement players (not that you can easily replace those guys but hey...that just helps make my case that they're appropriately valued). If you're a small market team like Toronto or Milwaukee, you're going to end up paying a gazillion dollars to retain your All-Stars, or else you'll be in the cellar forever. This is just a fact of free agency.

etiolate · « **Reply #790 on:** December 21, 2010, 03:23:10 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:36:49 AM

Here is the top ten for this season if anybody is curious.

http://sportige.com/2010-2011-biggest-contracts/

I found the bottom 10 contracts

http://www.nba.com/kings/roster/

Beezy · « **Reply #791 on:** December 21, 2010, 07:55:39 PM »

New Magics are playing on NBA TV.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #792 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:03:21 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on December 21, 2010, 07:55:39 PM

New Magics are playing on NBA TV.

FG

Hedo: 2-11
JRich: 4-13
Agent Zero: 1-6

Yeah...

Beezy · « **Reply #793 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:27:22 PM »

Give em time!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #794 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:35:13 PM »

they're streaky shooters! they just need to take more shots!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #795 on:** December 22, 2010, 03:42:00 AM »

it was worth watching the Lakers game just to see Kobe yell 'Fuck you!' to the refs and get tossed

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #796 on:** December 22, 2010, 04:24:16 AM »

Dirk passes Larry Bird to become the 3rd highest-scoring white dude of all-time.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #797 on:** December 22, 2010, 04:41:04 AM »

Who's 2nd behind Ron Jeremy?

Beezy · « **Reply #798 on:** December 22, 2010, 09:21:40 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2010, 03:42:00 AM

it was worth watching the Lakers game just to see Kobe yell 'Fuck you!' to the refs and get tossed

This needs to be on youtube.

Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 04:41:04 AM

Who's 2nd behind Ron Jeremy?

ManaByte · « **Reply #799 on:** December 22, 2010, 03:18:38 PM »

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Great Rumbler · « **Reply #800 on:** December 22, 2010, 03:41:37 PM »

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #801 on:** December 22, 2010, 06:45:34 PM »

Quote from: ManaByte on December 22, 2010, 03:18:38 PM

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Greatest moment in franchise history.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #802 on:** December 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM »

I finally got some time to play NBA2K11 this week. It's so fun to annihilate the Lakers with MJ's Bulls. Anyone else plays it other than Stoney Mason?

Here's MJ posterizing the Lakers:

Kobe and Bynum got so embarrassed that they completely lost their heads for the rest of the game.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #803 on:** December 22, 2010, 07:16:03 PM »

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #804 on:** December 22, 2010, 07:18:36 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM

Kobe and Bynum got so embarrassed that they completely lost their heads for the rest of the game.

MJ's like "Da fukk?" in that screenshot.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #805 on:** December 22, 2010, 10:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM

I finally got some time to play NBA2K11 this week. It's so fun to annihilate the Lakers with MJ's Bulls. Anyone else plays it other than Stoney Mason?

Here's MJ posterizing the Lakers:

Kobe and Bynum got so embarrassed that they completely lost their heads for the rest of the game.

lol. Great game. Glad to see it winning so many sports game of the year awards.

Bocsius · « **Reply #806 on:** December 23, 2010, 12:31:31 AM »

Speaking of the Bulls, they've won 9 of their last 10 and 9 of 12 overall since Boozer returned, who is averaging 25 and 11 over his last five games.

Boozer

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Beezy · « **Reply #807 on:** December 23, 2010, 01:13:57 AM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on December 22, 2010, 07:18:36 PM

Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
Kobe and Bynum got so embarrassed that they completely lost their heads for the rest of the game.

MJ's like "Da fukk?" in that screenshot.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #808 on:** December 25, 2010, 12:52:39 PM »

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Smooth Groove · « **Reply #809 on:** December 25, 2010, 05:37:49 PM »

That Wade missed dunk was embarrassing. I've never seen that happen. LOL at the players pretending this is just another game.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #810 on:** December 25, 2010, 07:25:57 PM »

Miami has looked amazing tonight. Probably their most complete game of the season. It helps of course when Lebron is knocking down threes.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #811 on:** December 25, 2010, 08:06:46 PM »

Yeah, Heat's D was really great today. Kobe looked old with Lebron and Wade guarding him. He wasn't able to turn the corner fast enough and had to settle for off-balanced Js almost every time.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #812 on:** December 25, 2010, 11:55:21 PM »

It seems like most of the hyped Christmas games end in blowouts. Miami dominated LA early and never let go. I don't know if they could do that in a seven game series, but they looked very good today. Wade contained Kobe very well

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #813 on:** December 26, 2010, 01:45:21 AM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 25, 2010, 11:55:21 PM

It seems like most of the hyped Christmas games end in blowouts. Miami dominated LA early and never let go. I don't know if they could do that in a seven game series, but they looked very good today. Wade contained Kobe very well

The Celtics Magic game while not aesthetically pleasing was a good tight basketball game.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #814 on:** December 26, 2010, 01:52:05 AM »

Yea but that wasn't The hyped Christmas game. The main event seems to disappoint more often than not

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #815 on:** December 26, 2010, 02:02:19 AM »

Okie Thunder vs. Denver Thug-Nugs

etiolate · « **Reply #816 on:** December 27, 2010, 04:01:47 AM »

The Heat/Lakers game was hardly watchable. Over two hours of people missing jumpshots. The defense wasn't all that intense. I saw a gimpass Bynum score easily inside. It was just an ugly, boring game.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #817 on:** December 27, 2010, 04:06:42 AM »

right, Kobe just misses easy open jumpshots...

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #818 on:** December 28, 2010, 07:17:20 PM »

Who's in for liveblogging Heat-Knicks today?

Got Celts-Pacers on right now but I doubt anyone is interested.

Beezy · « **Reply #819 on:** December 28, 2010, 10:41:02 PM »

Knicks lost, but it was a much better game than last time and much better than Heats vs. Lakers. Knicks "defense" is still extremely frustrating to watch though.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #820 on:** December 28, 2010, 10:46:55 PM »

I forgot about the heat knicks game tonight. $:-\$

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #821 on:** December 28, 2010, 11:13:34 PM »

Lakers fans might have to sweat a little now. The Spurs destroyed them even with Duncan having a very bad game. But maybe it's just an abberation since the Lakers have owned the Spurs ever since they added Gasol.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #822 on:** December 28, 2010, 11:18:34 PM »

I was talking to my brother over Xmas and I admitted to him I'm slightly baffled by the spurs. They normally start off incredibly slow and get better as the season goes on but they are red hot right now. And isn't it the same big three still doing the bulk of the scoring. Why are they suddenly so much better? I haven't seen a spurs game this year so I don't honestly know why they are so good right now.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #823 on:** December 28, 2010, 11:22:10 PM »

The Spurs are an utterly different team. They decided to go young and run. Plus, the Big 3 came in in awesome shape and injury-free for once. They are an offense-first team now, it's kinda fun to watch!

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #824 on:** December 28, 2010, 11:31:53 PM »

Interesting. I'll have to catch a Spurs game.

Mandark · « **Reply #825 on:** December 28, 2010, 11:40:31 PM »

I love that someone as accomplished (old) as Popovich was willing to install a new offense in order to give the team a better chance. Of course, it also helps that Richard Jefferson was bombarded by cosmic rays and can now shoot 3's.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #826 on:** December 28, 2010, 11:40:47 PM »

I recommend it - Parker and Ginobili have been set free, with Duncan mostly concentrating on D.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #827 on:** December 28, 2010, 11:52:03 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on December 28, 2010, 11:40:31 PM

I love that someone as accomplished (old) as Popovich was willing to install a new offense in order to give the team a better chance. Of course, it also helps that Richard Jefferson was bombarded by cosmic rays and can now shoot 3's.

Definitely one of the most respected coaches in the game. He's like the Anti-Phil. No crazy zen shit or constant drama.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #828 on:** December 29, 2010, 01:51:05 AM »

The most amazing thing about the Spurs' offense is how devastating Parker is in transition. He's always had this ability but now he's really getting the chance to cut loose. He's a one-man fast break, which is just weird for a little guy who can barely dunk. He's as good at finishing around the basket as any little guy since Iverson.

Mandark · « **Reply #829 on:** December 29, 2010, 01:54:54 AM »

Iverson was great at drawing contact, but Parker's always looking to finish. He's like French Rod Strickland out there.

Speaking of the Spurs, was anyone else yelling at the TV when their team passed on DeJaun Blair? I don't care if he doesn't have any knees and might have a five year career, most guys picked in the last first round never become solid rotation players to begin with.

Himu · « **Reply #830 on:** December 29, 2010, 01:58:05 AM »

ferrarimanf355 · « **Reply #831 on:** December 29, 2010, 08:15:40 PM »

Haters gonna hate, but the Heat is on!

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #832 on:** December 29, 2010, 11:41:41 PM »

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5968193

This is the reason why I'm skeptical about the Celtics. Yeah if everybody is healthy then they are as likely as anybody to win it, but that team is old and injury prone. I just think by the time the playoffs roll around their luck won't hold up.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #833 on:** December 30, 2010, 02:22:59 PM »

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Stoney Mason · « **Reply #834 on:** January 03, 2011, 02:33:04 AM »

Lakers lost again. Which is a bit weird. I'm sure by the end of the season they will be fine but they've had an amazingly easy schedule this year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded

According to this they have only played 8 teams above .500 this season. Fewest in the league. They should have a record like the Spurs with that level of competition

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Stoney Mason · « **Reply #835 on:** January 04, 2011, 11:11:57 PM »

Heat have won 19 of their last 20.

Just saying.

Edit: And Cleveland is 8-26 with the second lowest win % in the league.

Lebron should record Cleveland tell me how my ass taste.

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Bocsius · « **Reply #836 on:** January 04, 2011, 11:25:01 PM »

Cleveland is also like 1-17 over their last 18. Oddly symmetric.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #837 on:** January 05, 2011, 01:35:09 PM »

Since they beat the Spurs last night

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Beezy · « **Reply #838 on:** January 05, 2011, 01:41:43 PM »

Why are Knicks games so fun to watch? Yeah I'm a fan, but when I watch most other teams play I get bored pretty quick. Is it the fast pace that they try to keep up?

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #839 on:** January 05, 2011, 01:46:19 PM »

Quote from: Beezy on January 05, 2011, 01:41:43 PM

Why are Knicks games so fun to watch? Yeah I'm a fan, but when I watch most other teams play I get bored pretty quick. Is it the fast pace that they try to keep up?

I'm sure the fan thing has something to do with it but yeah its mainly their tempo. They lead the league in scoring and Mike D'Antoni is an offense first coach. When he was with the suns they were also a very fun team to watch.

The long term problem is that this style of offense doesn't tend to work in the playoffs where the game slows down and becomes more about defense but it is entertaining to watch especially during the regular season.

The Knicks are a fun team to watch. And while I don't really think the Knicks will do much damage in the playoffs if they don't get another superstar in there, they've been bad for so long, I think most people are just happy to see a hardworking team there.

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