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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: Smooth Groove on October 19, 2007, 07:01:24 PM

Title: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 19, 2007, 07:01:24 PM
Anyone going to give it a try?  Apparently, it's kinda disappointing because it's still the same old gameplay and the graphics don't look quite as good as the PR bullshots. 

I'm going to DL right now and come back with some impressions.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 19, 2007, 07:02:17 PM
Up already? I thought it wasn't supposed to be up until tomorrow. I'm not a fan of GT, but I'll download it when I get home, I guess.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 19, 2007, 07:03:54 PM
Yeah, people at GAF are DL it. 

Blim Blim posted some videos and screen caps from it

http://www.gamersyde.com/game_1316_en.html
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: hyp on October 19, 2007, 07:12:18 PM
sweet, i'll snag this tonight.  and possibly post impressions.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: TVC15 on October 19, 2007, 07:18:45 PM
I like my racing games to be fun, thank you very much.  I don't think they made any of that sort of racer this year.  At lest there's Trackmania.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Valcrist on October 19, 2007, 07:32:02 PM
Anyone going to give it a try?  Apparently, it's kinda disappointing because it's still the same old gameplay and the graphics don't look quite as good as the PR bullshots. 

I'm going to DL right now and come back with some impressions.

What will be the PS3's first game that doesn't dissapoint. :'(
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 19, 2007, 07:33:11 PM
nice. i'm not a gt fan -- too open-ended and repetitive and BORING -- but i actually had a lot of fun with the last gt5 demo. it was just hotlaps with online leaderboards. beats the usual carwank bullshit
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: TVC15 on October 19, 2007, 07:35:52 PM
Yeah, I'm not much for GT, obviously, but GTHD or GT4HD or whatever that thing was last Christmas was a nice little package for free.  They probably could have gotten away with charging money for that.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 19, 2007, 07:42:29 PM
I like my racing games to be fun, thank you very much.  I don't think they made any of that sort of racer this year.  At lest there's Trackmania.

PGR4 looks like fun.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 19, 2007, 07:43:06 PM
I like my racing games to be fun, thank you very much.  I don't think they made any of that sort of racer this year.  At lest there's Trackmania.

Dirt and PGR4 are pretty good.  I don't care much for sim racers either.  I have no idea how games like Forza/GT can be so popular when so few people even know how to drive a Civic properly.

Yeah, I'm not much for GT, obviously, but GTHD or GT4HD or whatever that thing was last Christmas was a nice little package for free.  They probably could have gotten away with charging money for that.

Hell no, I ain't going to pay a dime for a game with one track.   
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mupepe on October 19, 2007, 07:47:12 PM
Forza is incredible.

GT is gay and is for gay people.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 19, 2007, 07:52:19 PM
I think that I like Mororstorm alot more than I actually do.  It's odd.

It's not bad if you treat it as an arcade racer.  By that, I mean, a game that you would really play in the arcade since there are so few features or customization.  I would probably play it more often if not for the super annoying load times.  I don't even remember a racing game last gen with such terrible load times just in the vehicle selection screen alone. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: TVC15 on October 19, 2007, 07:56:42 PM
I could never get into PGR3.  I don't like breaking racers into "realistic" and "arcadey" because none of them are even close to realistic, even with a wheel.  What this basically means is that "realistic" is a nice way of saying "not fun."  PGR, while still better than Forza and GT, is firmly in the "not fun" genre of racers.  I can understand why MS wanted two first party racers, but two unfun ones?  Bleh.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 19, 2007, 07:58:22 PM
What about PGR4 demo?

did you try it?

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mupepe on October 19, 2007, 08:07:55 PM
Neither one is worth much without a wheel though.
Yup.  Playing a sim racer with a pad is pointless

Edit: and I find both Forza and PGR4 extremely fun.  Forza 2 is as close as it's come to "real" racer.

They got so many small things right.  The fact that when I have too much power with shit suspension I slide out of control realistically is awesome.  The fact that sharp turns make me spin out like fuck when I'm driving a RWD vehicle is awesome.

GT's version of 'sim' is to just make the wheel harder to turn ::)
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 19, 2007, 08:14:33 PM
Maybe you should give PGR4 a try, TVC.  Quite a few people found it to their liking despite not being fans of PGR3.  At the very least, the graphics are much improved in PGR4.   

What did you guys think of Sega Rally Revo and Test Drive Unlimited?  I was thinking of getting Sega Rally for the PC but both the console demo felt really underwhelming.  I never got around to trying TD but I'll give it a try if I hear some good things about it.  I just remembered that I haven't played TD yet because TVC brought up fun vs unfun racers. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mupepe on October 19, 2007, 08:16:30 PM
Maybe you should give PGR4 a try, TVC.  Quite a few people found it to their liking despite not being fans of PGR3.  At the very least, the graphics are much improved in PGR4.   

What did you guys think of Sega Rally Revo and Test Drive Unlimited?  I was thinking of getting Sega Rally for the PC but both the console demo felt really underwhelming.  I never got around to trying TD but I'll give it a try if I hear some good things about it.  I just remembered that I haven't played TD yet because TVC brought up fun vs unfun racers. 
TDU is fucking incredible.  It's a crime that it didn't sell more.  Pick it up.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 19, 2007, 08:37:53 PM
Project Gotham Racing  :-X

I generally hate the sim/arcade hybrids. I play them for a little while and I'm just never satisfied. It's always "PICK A HOT CAR" and "PICK A PRETTY TRACK" and go at it for a while until it becomes boring. There's no motivation for me ever.

I totally played a TON of forza 2 this year (even online, I logged like 20 hours online, even played 2 endurance races with GAF and some 1up staffers), which are like 1-2 hour affairs.

I'm pretty happy with the demo. NEeds some work of course.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:09:20 AM
Give me Burnout Paradise, and I'll be a happy boy.   :)
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: TVC15 on October 20, 2007, 02:11:00 AM
Give me Burnout Paradise, and I'll be a happy boy.   :)

Burnout Paradise exhibits my most hated trend in racing games:  having all the courses in the same general area. 

Also Burnout Dominator was a terrible game, so I'm hoping Criterion doesn't want to be making games similar to that.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:13:23 AM
Give me Burnout Paradise, and I'll be a happy boy.   :)

Burnout Paradise exhibits my most hated trend in racing games:  having all the courses in the same general area. 

Also Burnout Dominator was a terrible game, so I'm hoping Criterion doesn't want to be making games similar to that.

I never played Dominator. I'm still playing Burnout Revenge on my Xbox, though.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 02:24:49 AM
Just finished playing the GT demo.  The selection screen looks really stunning.  PD should have left off the human crew though since they are the only things that look fake in there.  Everything kinda goes downhill after you click start.  The car models drop drastically in quality although they still look quite good.  The track looks like it was lifted from the PS2 games and cleaned up a little bit.  What I found most annoying is that Polyphony still uses excessive darkness to make everything look "real".  All I know is that shadows aren't cast on cars like that in broad daylight.  Image quality and the framerate are actually pretty good.  People that complained about jaggies/tearing/slowdown are really exaggerating. 

In terms of gameplay, there's nothing to say.  It's still the same old game that you either love or hate. 

Download the demo, TVC since you do a much better job of making a game sound like crap.  I want to see how you'll go about magnifying all of GT5's flaws. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: TVC15 on October 20, 2007, 02:29:40 AM
I wouldn't do so hot with a racer because I'm not really into cars or racing.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 02:31:51 AM
I just want to see you rip apart the graphical flaws. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:31:59 AM
It looks nice and all, but I just can't get into the whole "realistic" driving crap. Oh well, it was free.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 02:35:16 AM
Are you only allowed to select between those 3-4 cars or is there a way to unlock every car that's in the race?  My RL car is actually in there but it's not selectable.   
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: TVC15 on October 20, 2007, 02:38:34 AM
I just want to see you rip apart the graphical flaws. 

How big is it? I don't want to be too bad on Sony, but downloading shit from PSN is kind of a chore.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 02:40:51 AM
760mb.  It downloaded really fast but you have to setup a Jap account.  The GAF thread's 1st page teaches you how to do it.  What's your Steam ID?  I just added Cajole and Hyp. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:44:01 AM
Yeah, I've noticed that everything downloads extremely fast from the Japanese store.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 02:46:57 AM
So is there any way to select the other cars, Distantmantra?  I can't tell since everything's in Japanese. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 20, 2007, 02:47:39 AM
I have no idea, I spent all of five minutes on it. I'll play around with some more tomorrow. I'm going to bed.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Valcrist on October 20, 2007, 04:22:32 AM
i just finished a race.
honestly if you don't want your heart broken don't download it.
the in car view is awesome, the car models aren't bad.
but the track is in your face bad.
the people range from looking like 8bit sprites to cardboard cutouts.
other textures, like trees and grass are lifeless.
i still have hope pd can improve because this felt like a step down from gthd. :(
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 20, 2007, 09:57:40 AM
the overall graphical look of the game doesn't match with the bullshots from sony, probably they're from the replay screen with added AA.
anyway, the game still has GT feel in it, i like that, i hope they don't rape us with GT5P price.  :-\
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 20, 2007, 10:13:15 AM
oh no modus has stolen dcharlie's account

someone do something before he demonstrates the unparalleled realism of forza 2's lighting

with many, many screenshots
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 20, 2007, 10:22:05 AM
oh no modus has stolen dcharlie's account

someone do something before he demonstrates the unparalleled realism of forza 2's lighting

with many, many screenshots
that's dcharlie.
Quote
it`s like a time warp
he is the only guy on earth who uses this char "`".
`i`<3`dcharlie`

btw, forza 2 rocks in terms of graphics/gameplay.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 20, 2007, 11:11:50 AM
look -- which of the following scenarios seems more plausible to you:

a. modus has stolen dcharlie's account and is now pulling orthographical tricks

b. there are two people who think forza is legitimate visual competition for gt

no sir -- that's modus

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i haven't even played forza 2. i hear good things...but i also hear good things about saint's row.
[close]
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 11:15:56 AM
drohne, you forgot nozi.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 20, 2007, 11:28:53 AM
look -- which of the following scenarios seems more plausible to you:

a. modus has stolen dcharlie's account and is now pulling orthographical tricks

b. there are two people who think forza is legitimate visual competition for gt

no sir -- that's modus

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i haven't even played forza 2. i hear good things...but i also hear good things about saint's row.
[close]
i'm not comparing GT to Forza 2 in any way.
i'm saying Forza 2 rocks in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 12:21:31 PM
You have to be kidding, dcharlie.

Forza was a jaggy mess running with 12 cars on screen on the fucking Kameo engine, and obviously its stolen lighting model to boot.

GT5P DEMO is less jaggy and has 16 amazing cars on screen.

Really. Sony should just put up the white flags.

Forza 2 is an awesome game. It's not a graphical showpiece. Everyone knows this. The lighting is flat and the cars are less impressive than GT5P.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 12:30:11 PM
You have to be kidding, dcharlie.

Forza was a jaggy mess running with 12 cars on screen on the fucking Kameo engine, and obviously its stolen lighting model to boot.

GT5P DEMO is less jaggy and has 16 amazing cars on screen.

Really. Sony should just put up the white flags.

Forza 2 is an awesome game. It's not a graphical showpiece. Everyone knows this. The lighting is flat and the cars are less impressive than GT5P.

Wrong, MS 1st party titles use something called shared technology between them.

it's not the Kameo engine, just some stuff shared between 1st party titles.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/1953/a_rare_opportunity_on_piatas_.php?page=3

it's probably something to do with the livery editor.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 12:36:58 PM
I've heard from a pretty good source exactly what the technology is. It is sort of irrelevant anyway.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 20, 2007, 12:39:23 PM
You have to be kidding, dcharlie.

Forza was a jaggy mess running with 12 cars on screen on the fucking Kameo engine, and obviously its stolen lighting model to boot.

GT5P DEMO is less jaggy and has 16 amazing cars on screen.

Really. Sony should just put up the white flags.

Forza 2 is an awesome game. It's not a graphical showpiece. Everyone knows this. The lighting is flat and the cars are less impressive than GT5P.
the HDR in Forza 2 wasn't implemented properly, maybe they wanted to maintain a REAL STABLE 60fps.
and yeah, based on what i've seen, Forza is less jaggied than GT5P not on the car models only, but in the environment.
Forza 2 environment is really way better than GT5P.
the car models seems to be the same since they're based on the same blue prints, the HDR lighting in GT5P made it look better.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 12:40:14 PM
I know what you are talking about, i remember BlimBlim saying Rare helped them or something.

but i doubt they would use the Kameo engine, shit is old and i can't imagine it being used for a car sim. game.

btw, Forza 2 is 8 cars not 12 on screen or am i mistaken?

 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 12:48:00 PM
It's 8 online. GT5P is 16 online too.

omg now there are three moduses!


Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 20, 2007, 12:55:58 PM
It's 8 online. GT5P is 16 online too.

omg now there are three moduses!



really you're downplaying forza 2,the game looks gorgeous, and it plays great.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 12:57:19 PM
You keep saying it plays great, which I have already stipulated.

I don't agree that it looks amazing. It looks good.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 01:10:53 PM
Okay, man. I don't know how you can say that professional mode feels like you are driving a car in GT4.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 20, 2007, 01:13:30 PM
i go for maximum unfairness and inconsistency in my gaf posts, but dcharlie takes it to another level, and i'm not even sure he's trying -- i get jealous sometimes

when people complained about halo 3's 640p sans aa, crap texture filtering, and unstable 30fps he threw an epic shitfit

a gt5 demo does objectively better in all of those departments and he's got his magnifying glass out

where do i get that breezy unconcern -- that rakish disregard for any semblance of intellectual honesty :(

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: bud on October 20, 2007, 01:17:32 PM
holy shit, what happened to dc? :rofl
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 20, 2007, 01:29:45 PM
well, you won't have to apologize for bungie's graphical ineptitude on future projects -- you can just blame the rigors of multiplatform development
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 01:47:30 PM
Did i just see Samsung?  :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow

dcharlie  :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 01:51:54 PM
And btw dcharlie, notice how that folus guy says that he can't see any fucking jaggies in GT5P while in every 360 game he bitches about everything.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 01:53:17 PM
holy shit, what happened to dc? :rofl

no fucking clue

i liked it more when he was passive aggressive

Quote
see? don`t you realise what a bunch of fucking casuals you sony cock lords sound like?
"BU BU BU BU GT5P LOOKS BETEAAA"

this is the sort of shit we humiliated the casuals for for YEARS and it`s now the Sony fanboys LAST DEFENSE. Forza SHITS all over GT5P demo. It`s not even funny - and it`s so blatantly transparent that this is the case because the ONLY thing people can talk about is how much "better" it looks.

Hoist the flags man. You know it`s game over if this is all Sony have to offer. Bumber car physics monkey AI jag fest GT4 HD ... in 2009. Shambolic.
dcharlie, shut the fuck up. i don't know what your problem is.

I am not a "fucking casual" race driving fan. And if you think GT5P plays like GT4 with the simulation set to professional, then go eat a dick. Cause you're basically just cock gobbling right now and it's just fucking stupid. I never even said GT5P > Forza 2 in any way other than graphically, so really back the fuck off. You're really just annoying with this shit. Your posts should be 90% shorter and less filled with your apocalyptic ass dribble.

"physics monkey"

wow, nice job, dude. i'll get kaz on the line and tell him his game is a "physics monkey."

The bumper car issues are still problematic and need to be fixed, but your other complaints are just bullshit. If GT5P is a "jagfest" than Halo 3 is a unplayable disaster. Give me a break, you're out of control with your accusations.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 20, 2007, 01:54:02 PM
irony, but since this gen has started, the only games company who were advancing in technical department, are Ubisoft.
GRAW1 a first gen xbox 360 game, it beats MGS4 in every way in the graphical department.
Assassin's Creed too, is fuckin' INSANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE in the graphical department, but fanboys can't see that cuz it's a multiplatform game.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 01:59:08 PM
irony, but since this gen has started, the only games company who were advancing in technical department, are Ubisoft.
GRAW1 a first gen xbox 360 game, it beats MGS4 in every way in the graphical department.
Assassin's Creed too, is fuckin' INSANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE in the graphical department, but fanboys can't see that cuz it's a multiplatform game.

no, sorry, Dcharlie will have to tear that game a new one for its near omnipresent tearing problems and framerate issues.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 02:03:35 PM
Assassin's Creed problem is the rampant screen tearing, if they can fix it, then everything should be alright unless the game sux  :o

but that's talk for another day, kyle, stop derailing this shit.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 20, 2007, 02:06:05 PM
Assassin's Creed problem is the rampant screen tearing, if they can fix it, then everything should be alright unless the game sux  :o

but that's talk for another day, kyle, stop derailing this shit.


okay McDragon, don't kill me, i don't wanna die :'(
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
Sfags get all worked up about a demo because they don't actually have games to play. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 08:24:18 PM
 :lol
Dcharlie's trolling skills are awesome. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: bud on October 20, 2007, 08:28:32 PM
dc is like the only person this thread talking about ''360 dominance over the ps3'' :lol

he's like m0dus and ruzbeh rolled into one amirite
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 08:29:26 PM
but isn't the 360 dominating the PS3 right now?  I'm not just talking about sales either. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: bud on October 20, 2007, 08:32:06 PM
uhm, yeah, it is.

and what's your point
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 08:35:08 PM
what's your point about DC then?
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: bud on October 20, 2007, 08:36:04 PM
that was a response to your post about dc
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 08:38:57 PM
Probably that GAF and stupid/serious system wars should stay at well, GAF

but drama brings in more traffic! 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 08:41:52 PM
I like reading posts like

"If your taste is for actual games, go PC. If you like...um..."potential" or whatever other marketing speak Sony is going on about this month go with ps3."
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 08:50:01 PM
Seriously, I don't think this place will ever be like GAF.  I've faith in the people running this place.   But I don't mind having tiffs like the DC vs Y2KEV just had, every now and then.  Internez drama is entertaining. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 09:07:10 PM
Real talk

The GT5 demo was kinda disappointing but its flaws have also been exagerrated.  The presentation is more stunning than any other racing game out there.  Like I said before, the car and garage in the selection menu almost look real.  However, once you start playing the game, there's a severe drop in visual fidelity.  The cars don't look even come close to looking like the one in the selection menu.  Aliasing is much more apparent and there're worse tearing/slowdown than the PS2 games.  Polyphony is also over-relying on making everything dark in order to achieve a realistic look.  Forza 2 looks like crap at first sight but at least cars aren't covered by shadows in broad daylight.  In terms of gameplay, GT5 is the best GT game yet because of the larger amount of opponents and more natural AI.   However, there are still many old flaws present such as the bumper car physics, lack of penalties, etc. which are unacceptable for a game that is touted as being the best simulation ever.  Also, GT lacks many of the features that've made Forza accessible to sim newbs.  If I had to pick between GT and Forza, I'll go with GT because I'm a graphics whore.  Even with the fake shading, GT is still easily the better looking game.   But at the end, racers that try to be realistic suck as games.  So go out and buy Dirt, PGR, or even NFS and Motorstorm. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 10:38:31 PM
DC, I don't know why you have to be so...uh, crazy sometimes. You become the shitbirds that you hate about GAF.

I like DC too, but I have no idea where that came from. I try not to carry any flag too highly, and I certainly haven't been hoisting Sony's flag any time soon. I expect a little more calculation here, it prevents the type of WeekendGAF threads nobody likes.

Real Talk

GT5 PROLOGUE is a car porn with some serious flaws. It looks fabulous to me and feels great. The bumping physics need major fixing.

I don't care about driver AI so much because I play online. And this will have 16 player online. Which is a big deal. Because I play online. And-- here's a more concrete comparison-- Forza 2 has 8 player online.

So we'll see.

I don't care about "damage modeling"-- it's nice, but ultimately superfluous. What needs to happen is realistic crash physics and real penalties for bumper driving.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 20, 2007, 10:45:02 PM
dcharlie's trolling is unique in that he effectively trolls sony fans, but also somehow manages to troll himself in the process. 'meltdown' is one of the dumbest gaf buzzwords, but it seems to apply

in any case the b3d folks say gt5 runs 4xAA at 720p. wowow. that's twice as much AA as forza 2. the '1080p' mode is 1280x1080/2xAA -- which probably works better than the gthd demo's 1440x1080/no AA. i could tell you if i had a 1080p set :'(

i'm so tempted to pick up that 42" 1080p panny plasma -- it's like $1400 now
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 20, 2007, 10:58:09 PM
you need a special setting to address the image quality of a game that's clearly got some AA...which puts it ahead of dozens of games you had no problem with...i see...

maybe you're going about this wrong -- maybe you should just pretend it's a 360 game. you could leave a vacuum cleaner running to help sell the illusion
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 11:00:33 PM
dcharlie is awesome wowsome (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif)
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 11:23:05 PM
Dcharlie seems pretty sane to me compared to the crazies that think Halo's graphical issues make the game unplayable, while singing the praises of Heavenly Sword's visuals and shooting down anyone that notices slowdown/aliasing in GT5. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 20, 2007, 11:30:44 PM
Dcharlie seems pretty sane to me compared to the crazies that think Halo's graphical issues make the game unplayable, while singing the praises of Heavenly Sword's visuals and shooting down anyone that notices slowdown/aliasing in GT5. 

Does anyone actually say Halo 3 is unplayable?

I mean, it's jaggy, for sure. It has like no AA and it's being upscaled from a non HD resolution. But unplayable?
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 11:32:20 PM
drohne, i wouldn't trust b3d over everything they say.

they said ratchet and clank is 704p and posted three pictures showing black bars on top/bottom, then all of a sudden, pictures were deleted! discussion no longer to be found! (same halo 640p guy i think).

lol wtf hax.

anyway, GT5P isn't problem free, but maybe they will fix everything in the end with GT5.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 11:40:10 PM
J-rzez always whines about how Halo 3 is barely playable the framerate and jaggies.  Yet he thinks that Heavenly Sword is the most amazing next-gen game ever.   Go figure.  That's what I hate most about Sfags.  They buy other consoles to show how unbiased they are yet they can't seem to enjoy anything that's not Sony.  At least Xbots and Ninthings aren't dumb enough to spend money on games/systems from a company that they hate. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 11:41:49 PM
Dcharlie seems pretty sane to me compared to the crazies that think Halo's graphical issues make the game unplayable, while singing the praises of Heavenly Sword's visuals and shooting down anyone that notices slowdown/aliasing in GT5. 

Does anyone actually say Halo 3 is unplayable?

I mean, it's jaggy, for sure. It has like no AA and it's being upscaled from a non HD resolution. But unplayable?

Unfortunately, there was this one guy at gaf, he bitched about the framerate drops to no end (to him, framedrops were almost SOTC level).

after a few days, he sold it via ebay.

true story.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 20, 2007, 11:44:10 PM
Halo 3's image quality is pretty terrible at times but at least I'm not trying to chain a combo or counter something while the game is stuttering along at 10-15 fps. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 20, 2007, 11:51:13 PM
What pisses me the most about Halo 3, is that it's from Bungie, a 1st party developer, and the graphics ain't as good as Lost Planet! a third party game from a Japanese developer (Capcom)

i appreciate the gameplay is ace and everything, but i don't appreciate this level of graphics, heck if they can't make it better, then at least make it clean.

nope, it's a fucking mess, and on top of that, the cutscenes and human models/animation are one of the worst shit i ever seen on the 360 yet.

as for framerate drops, i never encountered any, or maybe i don't mind it in a fps game.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 20, 2007, 11:53:13 PM
i don't know how the b3d guy came up with 4xAA or whether he's right, but you can look at the power lines and see that they're being smoothed -- whether it's 2xAA or 4xAA, it's clearly there. dcharlie's take on gt5's iq runs counter to the facts...which isn't even good trolling, really. spin, slant, whatever -- but maintain a correspondence with reality
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 21, 2007, 12:05:29 AM
Well, if he is right about the 4xAA at 720p then Turn 10 should be ashamed.

i remember them promising 4xAA but they only delivered 2xAA.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 21, 2007, 12:07:52 AM
i don't know how the b3d guy came up with 4xAA or whether he's right, but you can look at the power lines and see that they're being smoothed -- whether it's 2xAA or 4xAA, it's clearly there. dcharlie's take on gt5's iq runs counter to the facts...which isn't even good trolling, really. spin, slant, whatever -- but maintain a correspondence with reality

I guess I"ll stick with 720P then if that's true.  1280x1080 sounds worse than the 620p Bungie came up with.  I'll rather have proper scaling than a few extra pixels. 

Being grounded in reality is not really conducive to trolling.  The whole point of trolling is to piss off your intended targets, regardless of what you yourself really see or believe. 

What pisses me the most about Halo 3, is that it's from Bungie, a 1st party developer, and the graphics ain't as good as Lost Planet! a third party game from a Japanese developer (Capcom)

i appreciate the gameplay is ace and everything, but i don't appreciate this level of graphics, heck if they can't make it better, then at least make it clean.

nope, it's a fucking mess, and on top of that, the cutscenes and human models/animation are one of the worst shit i ever seen on the 360 yet.

as for framerate drops, i never encountered any, or maybe i don't mind it in a fps game.



Capcom almost always makes nice looking games though.  The same can't really be said of Bungie.  Graphical glitches have been as prevalent in the Halo series as good artistic direction and animation.   Halo 1 wasn't even that impressive technically yet it suffered from nasty slowdown.  Halo 2 looked pretty good at first glance but Bungie allowed for a lot of graphical glitches in order to create those high level visuals.  I'm really not sure why people were disappointed that Bungie didn't create the best looking 360 game ever.  Even on the Xbox 1, there were developers that managed to achieve better graphics while avoiding most of Bungie's problems. 
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mupepe on October 21, 2007, 12:12:47 AM
this is the worst thread i have ever read in the gaming section of our forum.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: y2kev on October 21, 2007, 12:14:13 AM
i don't know how the b3d guy came up with 4xAA or whether he's right, but you can look at the power lines and see that they're being smoothed -- whether it's 2xAA or 4xAA, it's clearly there. dcharlie's take on gt5's iq runs counter to the facts...which isn't even good trolling, really. spin, slant, whatever -- but maintain a correspondence with reality

I guess I"ll stick with 720P then if that's true.  1280x1080 sounds worse than the 620p Bungie came up with.  I'll rather have proper scaling than a few extra pixels. 

Being grounded in reality is not really conducive to trolling.  The whole point of trolling is to piss off your intended targets, regardless of what you yourself really see or believe. 

What pisses me the most about Halo 3, is that it's from Bungie, a 1st party developer, and the graphics ain't as good as Lost Planet! a third party game from a Japanese developer (Capcom)

i appreciate the gameplay is ace and everything, but i don't appreciate this level of graphics, heck if they can't make it better, then at least make it clean.

nope, it's a fucking mess, and on top of that, the cutscenes and human models/animation are one of the worst shit i ever seen on the 360 yet.

as for framerate drops, i never encountered any, or maybe i don't mind it in a fps game.



Capcom almost always makes nice looking games though.  The same can't really be said of Bungie.  Graphical glitches have been as prevalent in the Halo series as good artistic direction and animation.   Halo 1 wasn't even that impressive technically yet it suffered from nasty slowdown.  Halo 2 looked pretty good at first glance but Bungie allowed for a lot of graphical glitches in order to create those high level visuals.  I'm really not sure why people were disappointed that Bungie didn't create the best looking 360 game ever.  Even on the Xbox 1, there were developers that managed to achieve better graphics while avoiding most of Bungie's problems. 

I don't know why we're going on about this still, but I at least expected (and was promised by ghaleon lol) that Halo 3 would look like the announcement trailer. While the neato lighting was pretty impressive, the model obviously wasn't there and the IQ was not even close.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 21, 2007, 12:16:26 AM
Smooth, it's because in this gen, when you look at 1st or 2nd party titles for the 360/PS3, they usually deliver in the graphics department (see Gears of War, Viva Pinata, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted), so when you see Bungie and MS huge budget behind them, you will at least expect something as good looking as these titles, but instead, we got worse.

that and with them releasing that bullshot CG trailer.

whatever though, game is out, gameplay rocks and it sold over 3 millions, so who cares lol.



Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 21, 2007, 12:57:19 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove
Being grounded in reality is not really conducive to trolling.  The whole point of trolling is to piss off your intended targets, regardless of what you yourself really see or believe.

i figure you've failed as a troll if you look dumber than your marks

and yeah, i apologize for my contributions this horrible thread
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: demi on October 21, 2007, 01:02:35 AM
So what's the summary of this thread so far?
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 21, 2007, 01:41:31 AM
But you can't change the weather in GT5P  :-\

spoiler (click to show/hide)
lol jk sorry
[close]

still dcharlie, you should post more around here, i love your gaming impressions.  :bow

also, Forza 2 may only have 2xAA but the framerate is 60 fps constant, not even a single drop in framerate through the whole game.



Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mupepe on October 21, 2007, 01:45:56 AM
So what's the summary of this thread so far?
that it should be locked and this kind of discussion on this board should be banned.  yes.  banned.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 21, 2007, 01:49:42 AM
Who cares. GT is boring shit.
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: bork on October 21, 2007, 01:50:33 AM
Who cares. GT is boring shit.

/thread
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MCD on October 21, 2007, 01:54:02 AM
Who cares. racing sims are boring shit.

fixed.

Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 21, 2007, 01:56:44 AM
Now now
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Mupepe on October 21, 2007, 02:33:13 AM
fuck him up, companion cube
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 21, 2007, 03:16:20 AM
I could pretend it`s an X360 game but i`d just switch it off and play a better game like Forza...

uh, so pretend forza's a ps3 game, and you'll suddenly realize it's a tacky knockoff with various imaginary graphical problems?
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: TVC15 on October 21, 2007, 03:23:50 AM
Wow, that's Jon bon Jovi in your avatar?  I thought it was Kevin Bacon with a lot of makeup on.

(Kevin Bacon = Classic Bon Jovi; Jon Bon Jovi = modern day bon Jovi)
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: drohne on October 21, 2007, 03:29:34 AM
yeah. i thought it was funny that he was in the forum's selection of ready-to-wear avatars. i don't know why i'm still using it. i mean, bemulleted slippery when wet bon jovi would be one thing. this is useless short haired bon jovi -- a pale forzaesque shadow of the original
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 22, 2007, 02:24:17 AM
Oh it wouldn't be a GT5 thread without this

(http://i22.tinypic.com/16kum55.jpg)
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 22, 2007, 05:43:47 AM
why does FM2 looks better than GT5 in almost everything?
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Sho Nuff on October 22, 2007, 07:14:41 AM
why does FM2 looks better than GT5 in almost everything?

LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
Title: Re: New GT5 Demo is up on Asia PSN
Post by: Kyle on October 22, 2007, 07:18:55 AM
man i was under the impression that GT5 > FM2, but after seeing the actual gameplay screens and multiple impressions about the game, it leads me to the conclusion that FM2 > GT5.  :-\ sorry if that sounds annoying.