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Title: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 04:06:55 PM
I have to say that I think I'm interested in converting to Islam, but I'm not entirely sure about the decision. It seems like the religion is more appealing to me than Christianity. They are far more strict in their faith and appeals to me. Honestly, I feel that all the monotheistic religions worship the same God, so I don't really feel like I am belittling every thing I have been taught my entire life. Still, I kind of wonder how my parents react if I made such a bold step.

Thoughts? Is there a list on the internet so I can find the nearest Mosque in Houston, Texas? Do all Muslims go to church? What if there is no Mosque nearby?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Mupepe on December 12, 2007, 04:09:55 PM
There's a mosque by my house. 
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2007, 04:10:19 PM
Dude you have a 10 inch long penis. Why waste it  :'(
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2007, 04:11:13 PM
I will be forwarding Himuro's IP address and personal information to Homeland Security, as soon as possible.  Thanks for the heads up, terrorist.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 04:11:31 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2007, 04:13:42 PM
We all know the real reason you want to convert to Islam

Quote from: Himuro
Why are middle eastern women so beautiful? When I saw her pic, I was like,"Damn she was hot." and then I read the article and it said she was 16......................
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=15422.msg368152#msg368152

Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 04:13:58 PM
I GOT FOUND OUT
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 04:20:25 PM
I'd say that was the first ever rational reason to join a religion. But Arab women?  :-\
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2007, 04:21:26 PM
I'd say that was the first ever rational reason to join a religion. But Arab women?  :-\

Himu wouldn't have a chance with arab women, even if he converted. Your best bet is Ethiopian muslims but don't worry, they're pretty hot too
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 04:22:24 PM
No but seriously, I'm interested. I want to visit a mosque and see what it's like. I'm going to talk to my Muslim friend back home when I get back.

Your best bet is Ethiopian muslims but don't worry, they're pretty hot too

 :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 04:27:55 PM
Why do you need to join any religion?

Shouldn't you have good reasons or some sort of evidence before you start believing in an all-powerful entity?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 04:29:24 PM
::)
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2007, 04:29:32 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9440/karoladyethiopiaas0.jpg)

Say hi to granddad. Or is it grandma?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 04:32:35 PM
::)
Why not pray to a bottle of NyQuil instead? Last night I had what can only be described as a spiritual experience. All because of the all mighty power of NyQuil.

Who can ease the suffering of the sick and the sleepless? God? No, NYQUIL!
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 12, 2007, 04:45:20 PM
:drudge HIMUMU SPIRITUAL CRISIS: ANIMU NOT THE ANSWER? :drudge
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 04:49:17 PM
:drudge HIMUMU SPIRITUAL CRISIS: ANIMU NOT THE ANSWER? :drudge
When fictitious lolis are not enough a fictitious god is all you need.

Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Candyflip on December 12, 2007, 04:58:26 PM
::)
Why not pray to a bottle of NyQuil instead? Last night I had what can only be described as a spiritual experience. All because of the all mighty power of NyQuil.

Who can ease the suffering of the sick and the sleepless? God? No, NYQUIL!
I think it's time you started using drugs that aren't artificially flavored.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:00:13 PM
::)
Why not pray to a bottle of NyQuil instead? Last night I had what can only be described as a spiritual experience. All because of the all mighty power of NyQuil.

Who can ease the suffering of the sick and the sleepless? God? No, NYQUIL!
I think it's time you started using drugs that aren't artificially flavored.
You blasphemous fiend.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2007, 05:01:19 PM
If you're seriously interested, start with the Koran. (http://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Glorious-Mohammed-Marmaduke-Pickthall/dp/0452011809/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197493316&sr=8-1)  That particular version is in easy to read English for animu loving stoners like you.  (I have a copy myself, lolz.  But I don't fucking like animu and can't smoke the dope anymore.)
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 05:20:43 PM
 :lol@ this whole thread
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:26:30 PM
:drudge HIMUMU SPIRITUAL CRISIS: ANIMU NOT THE ANSWER? :drudge

You wouldn't believe my reaction when I realized that all my years worshiping the animu god, Doraemon, was all put to waste
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:27:53 PM
If you're seriously interested, start with the Koran. (http://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Glorious-Mohammed-Marmaduke-Pickthall/dp/0452011809/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197493316&sr=8-1)  That particular version is in easy to read English for animu loving stoners like you.  (I have a copy myself, lolz.  But I don't fucking like animu and can't smoke the dope anymore.)

If I become Muslim I'm going to have to kick some habits and smoking dope is one of them.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:29:43 PM
If you're seriously interested, start with the Koran. (http://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Glorious-Mohammed-Marmaduke-Pickthall/dp/0452011809/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197493316&sr=8-1)  That particular version is in easy to read English for animu loving stoners like you.  (I have a copy myself, lolz.  But I don't fucking like animu and can't smoke the dope anymore.)

If I become Muslim I'm going to have to kick some habits and smoking dope is one of them.
Why would someone trade dope in for a dopey belief system?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Gay Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:30:09 PM
good luck finding a strict muslim chick who'll have sex before marriage. Cause you wont.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:30:50 PM
If you're seriously interested, start with the Koran. (http://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Glorious-Mohammed-Marmaduke-Pickthall/dp/0452011809/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197493316&sr=8-1)  That particular version is in easy to read English for animu loving stoners like you.  (I have a copy myself, lolz.  But I don't fucking like animu and can't smoke the dope anymore.)

If I become Muslim I'm going to have to kick some habits and smoking dope is one of them.
Why would someone trade dope in for a dopey belief system?

I dunno. I'm having spiritual problems right now and I wanna know what's what, and I don't need your atheist skepticism bouncing all on my balls.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:32:17 PM
If you're seriously interested, start with the Koran. (http://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Glorious-Mohammed-Marmaduke-Pickthall/dp/0452011809/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197493316&sr=8-1)  That particular version is in easy to read English for animu loving stoners like you.  (I have a copy myself, lolz.  But I don't fucking like animu and can't smoke the dope anymore.)

If I become Muslim I'm going to have to kick some habits and smoking dope is one of them.
Why would someone trade dope in for a dopey belief system?

I dunno. I'm having spiritual problems right now and I wanna know what's what, and I don't need your atheist skepticism bouncing all on my balls.
You won't find out "what's what" in a fictional book.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:32:42 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:34:01 PM
::)
The inabilty to respond intelligently is highly correlated with one's smiley usage. 
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Gay Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:35:33 PM
Himu is only into islam because of Malcom X (who was pretty much batshit insane most of his life) I bet.  :lol
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:35:51 PM
Or maybe it's because this is a lose-lose situation and neither of us can change each other's beliefs, thus there's no reason to respond intelligently in the first place.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 05:36:43 PM
Himuro, have you thought about picking up some intro to different aspects of philosophy books? It sounds like thats what you need.

I would suggest the

"Introduction to..." series of books by Totem. They are really really intro level but they are written like a graphic novel. Very easy reads and very fascinating.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 12, 2007, 05:37:47 PM
yeah you could read through the koran but I'm not a muslim anymore so this thread is kind of awkward.

Dirtymack on OA is also considering (or did) converting to islam.  you should try going to a mosque and talking to the mullah there about what specific questions you have (since he could explain things like faith better than I could).  of course there's the sunni and the shi'a sects and if you're serious about being a muslim, then you have to do independant research on the two or find a good independant source (I honestly only know a few details about the differences).  what exactly appeals to you about it? 

oh, and from what I've seen of converts, they usually privately choose (they don't tell everybody this) which parts from sunni and shi'a beliefs they believe (most of the beliefs overlap but a few details like eating shellfish are debated among the two) so you'd have to research a lot of things.  If you were in the bay area, I could tell you of a lot of converts that are scholars to listen to but most likely if you go to a major mosque in your area and ask the mullah, he can give you the name of scholars who were converts and they usually give much more literal and less cultural explanations of the religion.

most muslims have sex before marriage gay boy, most ME people are actually total sluts with everybody other than their fiance's actually.  smoking marijuana isn't a huge nono.  alcohol is pretty bad but marijuana is much closer to like cigarettes.  I personally avoid ME women from some phobia or the other.

and malcom X was radical until he went on hajj and was amazed at 2 million people from different cultures not totally hating each other.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:39:07 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Gay Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:39:26 PM
Why Islam over say Buddhism?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 05:40:23 PM
Why Islam over say Buddhism?

Buddhism isnt extreme enough!
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:41:07 PM
Why not unicorns? They're ever so pretty.

Don't tell me they don't exist you secularist extremist.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Gay Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:42:29 PM
If he wants a strict & seriouz religion why not SCIENTOLOGY?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2007, 05:44:35 PM
If he wants a strict & seriouz religion why not SCIENTOLOGY?

Come on now, black people can't afford to be Scientologists.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 05:44:58 PM
If he wants a strict & seriouz religion why not SCIENTOLOGY?

Come on now, black people can't afford to be Scientologists.
:lol :lol

Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:47:16 PM
Nintenho: I dunno, I'm interested in how non christians worship works, because that's what I've been exposed to my whole life, but I don't get a kick out of any chrstian church any more. I'm losing faith, thus I'm interested in Islam, another monotheistic religion. I want to test the waters and see if it's for me.

Cheebs: Buddhism isn't monotheistic. I respect buddhism, but it's not exactly something I believe in. Islam however, isn't that different from Christianity, and converting to buddhism would force me to completely change my beliefs and every thing I was taught since I was a kid. Islam? Not so much.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 05:48:57 PM
Yeah, but they'll hide his gay sex videos. So he can't afford to not become a Scientologist!
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 12, 2007, 05:53:09 PM
well he wants an abrahamic religion.  I doubt he's making a big fuss over the "seriousness" of the religion and is more attracted to the way you follow the basic rules of abrahamic religions (group/daily prayers, fasting, harder stuff like that).

I personally can't see why a god would be stupid enough to have us choose a religion but that's a different argument.

I'm not sure what buddhists believe about divinity.

what exactly do you want to know about prayer.  an english koran would explain the sorts of things you say when praying (like the feeling and the meaning).  the basics are that muslims pray 5 times a day, or 3 times with the afternoon and the evening ones paired.  there's the fasting for one month a year, there's a 2-3 week pilgrimage to hajj once in your lifetime if you can afford it where you go to mecca and shave your head and wear a white robe and do a set of religious tasks/prayers, and I think that's all the major beliefs islam needs.  there's a lot of little ones.  I'd say there's a 99% that islam has become more conservative over time so you should be aware that some beliefs (banning certain foods or pre-marital sex) aren't totally wrong and going to automatically damn you to hell since a lot of iffy stuff has happened in determining what is or is not right.

muslim leaders I know don't mind gays but all the gays I know have to be in the closet from their parents so it's definitely taboo.  I think that's the reason there's a huge gay population in iran.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 12, 2007, 05:57:38 PM
so you want to join islam because you're BORED with christianity? i don't think that's how faith works!

oh my goodness

Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:57:53 PM
I got me a few books and tapes from the library. I'll study them tonight and tomorrow. Thanks.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2007, 05:58:39 PM
I believe that cats suck out people's souls at night.  Where's your Allah now, Himuro?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 05:59:12 PM
I love cats so that sounds pretty horrible
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2007, 05:59:23 PM
Also, I demand that if Himuro converts to Islam, we make WHERES YOUR ALLAH NOW the new Internet meme
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 06:01:00 PM
so you want to join islam because you're BORED with christianity? i don't think that's how faith works!

oh my goodness



Well, when you were taught something your whole life, you start to wonder about it as you get older. I'm curious if I'm religious, or if I'm just not Christian enough. This is a test for myself.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2007, 06:03:28 PM
Instead of questioning the dogma of one close minded faith and jumping to another, why don't you spend this time to research and evaluate all religions and philosophies?  Prior to high school, I questioned my faith, but thankfully I was raised in a relatively liberal household, so I was allowed to abandon ship and look at all faiths.  The end result?  I chose none!  And I still get presents for Hannukah and Christmas.  Thanks Jesus and random Hebrew dude that gives me presents and latkes on Hannukah!
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 06:04:32 PM
I took a religion class this semester. I've been examining all faiths for a while now.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 12, 2007, 06:05:49 PM
WHERES YOUR ALLAH NOW
you know I wondered that this morning.  I had to babysit my baby brother and he shit all over himself.  it went through 3 layers of clothes.  it took me 20 minutes to clean up his shit, bathe him, and then clothe him again and then he cried cause he was hungry.  all they do is sleep and shit.  don't see why a god made them personally.

and I agree with you that just because you killed Jesus, doesn't mean you shouldn't get presents on the biggest shopping season of the year.

Quote
Muslim Aids Jews Attacked On N.Y. Subway
Thugs Beat Jewish Group Who Wished Them A "Happy Chanukah"; Student Comes To Their Aid

Comments Comments90

NEW YORK, Dec. 12, 2007

Eight men and two women have pleaded not guilty to assault, menacing and other charges in the case. Prosecutors have said the charges could be upgraded to hate crimes. (AP)

(CBS/AP) A suspected bias attack on four Jewish subway riders in New York City has resulted in a friendship between the Jewish victims and the Muslim college student who came to their aid.

Walter Adler is calling Hassan Askari a hero for intervening when Adler and three friends were assaulted on a subway train in lower Manhattan on Friday night.

The altercation erupted when Adler and his friends said "Happy Chanukah" to a group yelling "Merry Christmas" on the Brooklyn-bound train.

Adler told the New York Post that one of his attackers rolled up his sleeve to display a tattoo of Jesus Christ.

"Happy Chanukah. That's when the Jews killed Jesus," the attacker told Adler.

The 20-year-old Askari, who suffered two black eyes, said he tried to fight off the 10 attackers, giving Adler a chance to summon police by pulling an emergency brake.

"I did what I thought was right," said Askari, a student at Berkeley College in Manhattan, who was allegedly punched and beaten. "I did the best that I could to help."

Eight men and two women have pleaded not guilty to assault, menacing and other charges in the case. Prosecutors have said the charges could be upgraded to hate crimes.

The Post said two of the suspects had been charged with hate crimes in the past.

"That a random Muslim kid helped some Jewish kids, that's what's positive about New York," said Adler, 23, who suffered a broken nose and a lip wound.

© MMVII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2007, 06:07:09 PM
I'm talking about more than a semester of religious teachings at whatever school you attend.  Get your hands dirty.  Go to mosques, go to temples, go to other Christian denominations, etc.  Get some books.  Ask scholars.  Talk one-on-one with religious leaders.

It's not something you can do overnight or in a short period of time.

It seems like you've learned just enough to be dangerous, but not enlightened and are making a decision based on a limited amount of information and experience.

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"Happy Chanukah. That's when the Jews killed Jesus," the attacker told Adler.

 :lol :lol

This reminds me of the time when my grandmother, who is a devout Baptist, told me she thought it was pretty sleazy for Jews to hold Passover so close to Easter.  "They try to put that candle holiday near Christmas too.  Can't they leave Christians alone?"
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 06:08:34 PM
That's a nice suggestion. I should try that.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 06:10:29 PM

A world religions class treats all religions with undue respect. And forget the religious leaders. They're liars and sophists.

Read Atheism: A Philosophical Justification and  Critiques of God: Making the Case Against Belief in God instead.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2007, 06:12:09 PM
Also, just a head's up, lot of colleges have student faith-based clubs.  I used to go various meetings, including one held for Muslims on campus (and Christians too!), just to get a grasp on everyone's religious angle.  A lot of times, they're pretty fun and you learn a lot, even if you don't necessarily agree with their beliefs.  If you're relatively tolerant of people's beliefs and open to looking outside your own upbringing, they can be eye opening experiences.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Gay Boy on December 12, 2007, 06:12:22 PM
Malek, if Nyquil started a religion would you join it?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 06:13:38 PM
Malek, if Nyquil started a religion would you join it?

I already did. I drink the holy water every night.

Willco, should I visit an astrologer if I want to learn the truth about astrology? Should I visit a psychic if I want to learn the truth about psychic phenomena. Best to stay away from frauds, charlatans, ans mountebanks.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2007, 06:31:03 PM
If you're actively pursuing a religious faith, it's best to be well informed on many than to be seduced by one or a few.  Getting wrapped up in the beliefs of one religious group is an easy way to get caught up in a cult Scientology!

There's absolutely nothing wrong with exploring other faiths, philosophies or what have you.  I don't subscribe to any organized religion as a result, because having a open view about all of them led me to a particular point where I realized that none of them had anything to offer to me.  Well, anything to the point where I'd think about enlisting as a member.

Even if leads you to being agnostic, atheist or not, having an open view about other religions other than the one you're raised on does worlds for tolerance and acceptance.  I'd take one well-informed Muslim over a hardcore Baptist who thinks all non-Baptists are heathens that will burn in the fiery depths of hell, completely ignorant of other people's beliefs.

That's why I said Himuro should explore all religions, philosophies and beliefs - not to find out which one is right, but which one is right for him.  You saying that your way is the only way, and all organized religion is dumb hocus pocus is no better than what he might hear from a hardcore member of the cloth. 

Let him find his own way.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2007, 06:36:25 PM
Nintenho: I dunno, I'm interested in how non christians worship works, because that's what I've been exposed to my whole life, but I don't get a kick out of any chrstian church any more. I'm losing faith, thus I'm interested in Islam, another monotheistic religion. I want to test the waters and see if it's for me.

Cheebs: Buddhism isn't monotheistic. I respect buddhism, but it's not exactly something I believe in. Islam however, isn't that different from Christianity, and converting to buddhism would force me to completely change my beliefs and every thing I was taught since I was a kid. Islam? Not so much.

Saying Buddhism isn't monotheistic shows how much you know about Buddhism... there are some Buddhist sects that believe in multiple aspects of divinity (most notably the wacky Tibetan Buddhist faith, which comprises about 5% of all Buddhists worldwide and about 95% of what the West bases their knowledge of Buddhism off of...), but most Buddhists aren't just NOT polytheistic... they're atheists.  Buddhist canon teaches that Siddhartha Gotama reached the highest level of enlightenment that a human being can possibly reach... not that he was a god or something along those lines.  Merely that he realized the full potential of a human being.  And he didn't die from being nailed to a tree or ascend to heaven in a chariot or anything wonky like that... he died from food poisoning.  And didn't come back, dance around and ascend to a mythical realm... he died and was freed from learning, because he had learned all there was to learn.

When I chose to identify myself as a Buddhist, I did so because it did NOT require faith on my part... it allowed me to keep my skepticism and only required a certain way of thinking, which was already mostly in line with my worldview anyhow.

Finally, if you're not ready to challenge beliefs that were forced upon you at a young age, maybe you're not ready to make a decision about your beliefs on your own anyhow.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2007, 06:37:53 PM
Yeah, that's why I said he knows just enough to be dangerous, but not enough to make a well informed decision.  Buddhist chicks are also great in bed.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 12, 2007, 06:41:55 PM
I think Joe Brown, the mayor of Oakland, is Buddhist.  He once gave a speech a mosque where he said something about living with monks or something.  Very charismatic guy.  Is he still Oakland's mayor willco?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 06:42:52 PM
Finally, if you're not ready to challenge beliefs that were forced upon you at a young age, maybe you're not ready to make a decision about your beliefs on your own anyhow.

I have challenged the beliefs that were forced upon me at a young age. Thank you for the input guys.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2007, 06:44:59 PM
Finally, if you're not ready to challenge beliefs that were forced upon you at a young age, maybe you're not ready to make a decision about your beliefs on your own anyhow.

I have challenged the beliefs that were forced upon me at a young age. Thank you for the input guys.

 ???

Quote from: Himumu
...converting to buddhism would force me to completely change my beliefs and every thing I was taught since I was a kid. Islam? Not so much.

It sounds like you're challenging yourself enough to move to another town but not considering the possibility of moving out of state to me.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 06:51:33 PM
While that's true, it's not like I don't have my problems with the religion I was brought up, and it's the reason why I have pretty much stopped going to church.

I haven't said that I *will* become Muslim. This is just an opportunity for me to see what other people believe and see if I fall in the same way. If I don't find anything for me, that's fine.

It's true I never considered becoming Buddhist or anything like that, but that is because I really *don't* believe in that type of thinking, but I find it all so interesting I read books on the subject. Willco's suggestion, that I check out all the different religions, sounds like the best plan. I'll see what fits me the best.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 06:56:06 PM
A pox to you all, my nonexistent god is angry.

There are good reasons to have beliefs and there are bad reasons to have beliefs. There is evidence for beliefs and evidence against beliefs. There are beliefs that clash with reality and there are beliefs that don't. Don't pick and choose based on your personal preference. Life is not a buffet of beliefs. Don't choose the ones that taste good. Choose the ones that are correct.

Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 06:57:37 PM
A pox to you all, my nonexistent god is angry.

There are good reasons to have beliefs and there are bad reasons to have beliefs. There is evidence for beliefs and evidence against beliefs. There are beliefs that clash with reality and there are beliefs that don't. Don't pick and choose based on your personal preference. Life is not a buffet of beliefs. Don't choose the ones that taste good. Choose the ones that are correct.



What's correct?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2007, 06:57:58 PM
Sipping on Nyquil is correct.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 06:59:39 PM
Sipping on Nyquil is correct.
WRONG! CHUGGING on NyQuil is correct.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 07:03:08 PM
To be more specific; factual beliefs are either true or false. Obviously aesthetic beliefs or ethical beliefs, for example, are not true or false. But beliefs about how old the Earth is or whether Mohammed rode on a winged horse are true or false. They are not decided on by personal preferences.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 07:08:26 PM
To be more specific; factual beliefs are either true or false. Obviously aesthetic beliefs or ethical beliefs, for example, are not true or false. But beliefs about how old the Earth is or whether Mohammed rode on a winged horse are true or false. They are not decided on by personal preferences.

It's a good thing most christians dont try to make people believe those things.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 07:11:11 PM
To be more specific; factual beliefs are either true or false. Obviously aesthetic beliefs or ethical beliefs, for example, are not true or false. But beliefs about how old the Earth is or whether Mohammed rode on a winged horse are true or false. They are not decided on by personal preferences.

It's a good thing most christians dont try to make people believe those things.

Yes, I suppose it is a good thing that Christians don't try to force people to believe that Mohamed rode on a winged horse.  :spin

Of course they have forced people to believe in many other things through the ages. Hell the Catholic Church burnt people for believing in atomism.

However I wasn't speaking of compelling people to believe anything.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 07:13:33 PM

Of course they have forced people to believe in many other things through the ages. Hell the Catholic Church burnt people for believing in atomism.
Oh When will the evil catholic church stop burning people at the steak, its 2007 for crying out load. When will this madness end.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 12, 2007, 07:14:58 PM
The madness hasn't ended at all.  Only the methods.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 07:15:28 PM
The madness hasn't ended at all.  Only the methods.

Yea?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 07:16:40 PM

Of course they have forced people to believe in many other things through the ages. Hell the Catholic Church burnt people for believing in atomism.
Oh When will the evil catholic church stop burning people at the steak, its 2007 for crying out load. When will this madness end.
You are the one who brought this up.

Quote
It's a good thing most christians dont try to make people believe those things.

This response was a total non sequitur to my previous post. Why don't you fuck off and go back to posting about a hopeless candidate who has no chance of winning anything, no matter how strong your beliefs in him are.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 12, 2007, 07:20:39 PM
The madness hasn't ended at all.  Only the methods.

Yea?

evolution is the new atomism!
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 07:30:00 PM
I have never felt my view on evolution to be threatened and I went to school in Texas.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 07:31:27 PM
I have never felt my view on evolution to be threatened and I went to school in Texas.
Actually, being around slack jawed Texans should raise some doubts about evolution.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 07:32:38 PM
I have never felt my view on evolution to be threatened and I went to school in Texas.
Actually, being around slack jawed Texans should raise some doubts about evolution.


Huck Huck Huck

See you are more hateful than most christians.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 07:33:01 PM
I have never felt my view on evolution to be threatened and I went to school in Texas.
Actually, being around slack jawed Texans should raise some doubts about evolution.


Huck Huck Huck

See you are more hateful than most christians.

I never said I wasn't hate-filled. I'm as misanthropic as they come.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 12, 2007, 07:36:54 PM
I never said I wasn't hate-filled. I'm as misanthropic as they come.

Then maybe you aren't the best person to talk to when it comes to discussions of the soul and human spirit.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2007, 07:38:24 PM
I never said I wasn't hate-filled. I'm as misanthropic as they come.

Then maybe you aren't the best person to talk to when it comes to discussions of the soul and human spirit.
Soul? Spirit? sigh...
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2007, 03:26:23 AM
If this is what you firmly believe Himu, good for you. If it's all about getting bomb ass arab pussy, good for you. :bow
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2007, 03:33:29 AM
If this is what you firmly believe Himu, good for you. If it's all about getting bomb ass arab pussy, good for you. :bow
Before going to the mosque you may want to stop by the home depot.

(http://www.powertools-china.com/images/cordlessLawnTrimmer_7149.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2007, 03:43:18 AM
bastard  :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: TVC15 on December 14, 2007, 03:48:12 AM
Himuro, if you are seriously considering it, segue from reading about the crusades to the history of Islam.  You only have to jump backwards 400 or 500 years.  If you are interested in something, I believe the best thing to do is to start from its history.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 14, 2007, 04:23:49 AM
Quote
Buddhist chicks are also great in bed.

I am interested in researching this particular point, any suggestions?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2007, 07:27:06 AM
Ruzbeh, do you honestly think new converts for religions are all just random people who just suddenly appeared out of nowhere? No, people are interested in religions because they are attracted to what they believe. I firmly said in the first post that I am someone who believes that the western monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) all worship the same God, so it's not like I'm suddenly changing everything I've believed in my whole life, and pulling shit out of my ass. It's more like, I am tired of this fake ass Christian stuff where i go to church, see preacher make fake ass sermons and "praise the lord" and act like he's having a seizure every Sunday. I get nothing out of it. What the hell is wrong with checking out another religion ,which isn't even that far away from Christianity in the first place, if you feel you don't *get* much out of Christianity?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 14, 2007, 07:34:05 AM
all of those old codger religions are going to seem just as alienating to you as Christianity feels; they've all been rendered meaningless post-Enlightenment, and on some level you realize that.  Just embrace modernity and replace God with some Nietzsche and fulfilling life habits.  It's really not so bad :)
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2007, 07:39:16 AM
So you want to convert to Islam because you don't get much out of Christianity? I'm someone who tries to figure stuff on my own than have some people tell me how and what. So why do you wanna convert? Because you think you'll gain something? Learn more of life's lessons?

Ruzbeh, have you taken your austism meds today? Why does anyone go for ANY religion? FUCK OFF.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Powerslave on December 14, 2007, 07:45:46 AM
Ruzbeh, do you honestly think new converts for religions are all just random people who just suddenly appeared out of nowhere? No, people are interested in religions because they are attracted to what they believe. I firmly said in the first post that I am someone who believes that the western monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) all worship the same God, so it's not like I'm suddenly changing everything I've believed in my whole life, and pulling shit out of my ass. It's more like, I am tired of this fake ass Christian stuff where i go to church, see preacher make fake ass sermons and "praise the lord" and act like he's having a seizure every Sunday. I get nothing out of it. What the hell is wrong with checking out another religion ,which isn't even that far away from Christianity in the first place, if you feel you don't *get* much out of Christianity?

These are very good points.


This whole thing is very interesting Himuro. Although I'm not exactly religious these days, the subject still interests me and I don't consider myself an 100% atheist either.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2007, 07:48:54 AM
What do you find interesting lol
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 14, 2007, 02:05:17 PM
all of those old codger religions are going to seem just as alienating to you as Christianity feels; they've all been rendered meaningless post-Enlightenment, and on some level you realize that.  Just embrace modernity and replace God with some Nietzsche and fulfilling life habits.  It's really not so bad :)
what's changed a lot about Islam?  I didn't know about this.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 14, 2007, 07:38:17 PM
Ruzbeh, do you honestly think new converts for religions are all just random people who just suddenly appeared out of nowhere? No, people are interested in religions because they are attracted to what they believe. I firmly said in the first post that I am someone who believes that the western monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) all worship the same God, so it's not like I'm suddenly changing everything I've believed in my whole life, and pulling shit out of my ass. It's more like, I am tired of this fake ass Christian stuff where i go to church, see preacher make fake ass sermons and "praise the lord" and act like he's having a seizure every Sunday. I get nothing out of it. What the hell is wrong with checking out another religion ,which isn't even that far away from Christianity in the first place, if you feel you don't *get* much out of Christianity?
Gospel Church doesn't equal the whole of Christianity. There are other denominations with a version of Christianity that imaybe more inline with your thoughts, spiritualism etc. 
It isn't like Islam is immune from the 'showman' aspect of religion.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 14, 2007, 07:52:53 PM
it downplays it a lot.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 14, 2007, 08:09:06 PM
They should but various Mullahs have gone in frenetic rants to instigate protests and action, not the calm and considered reasoning to develop consesus. 
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 14, 2007, 08:12:49 PM
all of those old codger religions are going to seem just as alienating to you as Christianity feels; they've all been rendered meaningless post-Enlightenment, and on some level you realize that.  Just embrace modernity and replace God with some Nietzsche and fulfilling life habits.  It's really not so bad :)
what's changed a lot about Islam?  I didn't know about this.

Nothing.  The world around it clearly has though.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: VALIS on December 14, 2007, 08:37:03 PM
all of those old codger religions are going to seem just as alienating to you as Christianity feels; they've all been rendered meaningless post-Enlightenment, and on some level you realize that.  Just embrace modernity and replace God with some Nietzsche and fulfilling life habits.  It's really not so bad :)

Is your Alan Watts avatar out of irony then? Because he appreciated all religions quite a bit. Or, at least, he tended to focus on the positive and interesting facets.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 14, 2007, 09:13:15 PM
Hmm, I've always seen Watts as more of an existential mystic than anything.  I've definitely heard him make light of the Church on a few occasions in favor of a more direct experience with the spiritual.  And I'm sure he doesn't advocate dogma.  I'm a moral relativist and I don't see anything wrong with religion, I just like to promote critical thinking when there's an opportunity.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 14, 2007, 09:14:07 PM
They should but various Mullahs have gone in frenetic rants to instigate protests and action, not the calm and considered reasoning to develop consesus. 
yeah but he's in america so..
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 14, 2007, 09:22:23 PM
They should but various Mullahs have gone in frenetic rants to instigate protests and action, not the calm and considered reasoning to develop consesus. 
yeah but he's in america so..
This guy is in Australia: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article614983.ece
He could of said what he wanted to say in a much more roundabout (and devious) manner, still got his 'message' across but he wanted to get attention.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: VALIS on December 14, 2007, 09:38:19 PM
I've definitely heard him make light of the Church on a few occasions in favor of a more direct experience with the spiritual.  And I'm sure he doesn't advocate dogma.

Indeed, but he also didn't discard the good parts from the world's religions, which is one of the things that's most impressive about Watts and any of the great "spiritual teachers" -- they didn't write or lecture or teach out of bitterness or anger or ego, they just presented their insights and learnings and let you make of them what you wanted to. Not as a reaction to something or an attempt to bring something else down. Which is a concept that unfortunately sails right over the heads of many hardcore theists and atheists these days (or maybe it always did, I don't know).
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 14, 2007, 10:01:39 PM
This guy is in Australia: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article614983.ece
He could of said what he wanted to say in a much more roundabout (and devious) manner, still got his 'message' across but he wanted to get attention.
0_0

well he's probably not at risk of ever seeing a mullah without respect for women in his life.  even if you say that in iran, I'm sure you'll get booed.  the fact is that A. islam tries to downplay "energy" being used to make people excited for religion (you can't even have drawings/sculptures of prophets) and B. he is not likely to find a fucked up mullah unless he searches across america for it.

I personally have never seen a muslim that thinks women are less than equal or any other fucked up "terrorist" types of things.  I've seen hundreds of speeches by people with wildly different views on how to interpret the quran and history and whatnot but none of them said stuff like that so it's safe to assume that himuro is not at risk of seeing islam perverted if he just searches in mosques around where he lives.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2007, 10:56:15 PM
Ruzbeh, do you honestly think new converts for religions are all just random people who just suddenly appeared out of nowhere? No, people are interested in religions because they are attracted to what they believe. I firmly said in the first post that I am someone who believes that the western monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) all worship the same God, so it's not like I'm suddenly changing everything I've believed in my whole life, and pulling shit out of my ass. It's more like, I am tired of this fake ass Christian stuff where i go to church, see preacher make fake ass sermons and "praise the lord" and act like he's having a seizure every Sunday. I get nothing out of it. What the hell is wrong with checking out another religion ,which isn't even that far away from Christianity in the first place, if you feel you don't *get* much out of Christianity?
Gospel Church doesn't equal the whole of Christianity. There are other denominations with a version of Christianity that imaybe more inline with your thoughts, spiritualism etc.

It isn't like that's the only thing unappealing about Christianity to me. My entire life I've questioned Jesus and his supposed sacrificing for my sins. I never understood how his death was a sacrifice for my sins and since he died all people who aren't Jews can now go into Heaven or whatever. I never understood it, and I never believed it. It's hard to be Christian when you don't understand or even believe such a basic aspect of the religion. I've felt this way ever since High School, but this is the first time I've comtemplated looking outside Christianity.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 14, 2007, 11:39:27 PM
It isn't like that's the only thing unappealing about Christianity to me. My entire life I've questioned Jesus and his supposed sacrificing for my sins. I never understood how his death was a sacrifice for my sins and since he died all people who aren't Jews can now go into Heaven or whatever. I never understood it, and I never believed it. It's hard to be Christian when you don't understand or even believe such a basic aspect of the religion. I've felt this way ever since High School, but this is the first time I've comtemplated looking outside Christianity.
From what I remember of Catholic school, Jesus died to primarily give hope of eternal life i.e. Heaven. If you don't believe in Jesus then you don't believe his sacrifice led to eternal life so that's why you don't go to heaven. The forgiving of the sins through his death is the forgiveness of the original sin which also meant you can enter heaven\eden etc. 

Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2007, 11:48:05 PM
I believe Jesus existed but not all of that
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 15, 2007, 12:25:42 AM
I believe Jesus existed but not all of that
Do you think of him as a prophet then as most Muslims do?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 15, 2007, 01:56:38 AM
islam says that god didn't think humanity was worth having jesus die for it or something.  I think the belief is that it was a look alike of jesus that was actually caught but I haven't asked about that in a long time.

I think islam also denies the whole virgin birthing thing or whatever.  I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: MCD on December 15, 2007, 02:01:26 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_of_Jesus
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2007, 02:04:50 AM
islam says that god didn't think humanity was worth having jesus die for it or something.  I think the belief is that it was a look alike of jesus that was actually caught but I haven't asked about that in a long time.

I think islam also denies the whole virgin birthing thing or whatever.  I'm not sure.

Nah, it agrees on the virgin birth as well as many other things. But obviously it disagrees on the major issue of whether Jesus is the son of god. Islam rejects the trinity belief
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: brawndolicious on December 15, 2007, 02:10:50 AM
yeah it says he was a major prophet though.  not from god's balls or whatever.

back on topic, you'd have to talk with a mullah (I'd honestly only trust one that's a black convert because they're the most common converts around here and they are by far the most open minded to what your personal spiritual beliefs are) and figure out whether islam is for you.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2007, 07:20:54 PM
Man, I drove over to what I thought was a mosque today, because there is a huge golden ball on topthat is usually tied to Islam mosque's in the middle east. Turns out it was some Christian church for mexicans wtf

Anyway these pictures are beautiful.

(http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/38428/2001612323383696874_rs.jpg)

(http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/37498/2001661603608365004_rs.jpg)

A part of my attraction to Islam is that it all feels one brotherhood. These pictures show a good example of this.

This is a great site for me (http://www.isgh.org)

I believe Jesus existed but not all of that
Do you think of him as a prophet then as most Muslims do?

Yes.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2007, 08:40:01 PM
So you don't think Jesus=God? Interesting.

Those are awesome pics; reminds me a bit of 2001
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Powerslave on December 15, 2007, 08:43:01 PM
Wait, why do Christians think Jesus=God if he's the son of God?
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Barry Egan on December 15, 2007, 09:11:11 PM

(http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/38428/2001612323383696874_rs.jpg)


woah.  That's a powerful image.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 15, 2007, 09:17:16 PM
Powerfully gay.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2007, 09:39:23 PM
Wait, why do Christians think Jesus=God if he's the son of God?

This is why that shit was always confusing. Some Christians think he's the SON OF GOD which I don't understand since how the hell can God have a son? Especially since they explicitly say that Mary got pregnant with no man? Hence, Jesus is not God's "son"?

Then you have Christians who are like WELL JESUS IS GOD. Which doesn't make even more sense because Jesus DIED and God cannot DIE.

Then you have the fact that in order to go to heaven according to Christian faith, you must believe Jesus is the son of God, and I don't know wtf to think
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 15, 2007, 10:00:24 PM
Jesus didn't die he rose again on the third day and went to heaven which basically 'proved' he was God's son.

Catholicism basically says that 'God' is three in one or trinity. Old Testament God, Jesus son of God and the Holy Ghost\Spirit. There is some sort analogy I remember which I think goes like this the Holy Spirit is the electricity, Jesus is the switch and God is the light or maybe it's mixed around. Something to the effect of one of them being the human/God relationship, the second being 'Gods' energy and the last being the God's will or action.
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2007, 10:25:03 PM
Woot. I found a mosque in my part of town!  :D

http://www.islamic-information.com/

Going tomorrow
Title: Re: Nintenho: I'm interested in Islam, any suggestions?
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2007, 10:32:37 PM

Guys, here's an interesting article on the differences between Christianity and Islam. It's a good read.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/comp_isl_chr.htm
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Powerslave on December 15, 2007, 10:40:57 PM
^uhh that looks more like an hindu woman.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2007, 11:28:25 PM
???
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Powerslave on December 15, 2007, 11:33:57 PM
and now you removed it
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2007, 11:35:24 PM
wrong link

[youtube=425,350]gG_ijIckaSE[/youtube]
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 16, 2007, 12:09:51 AM
Why do I feel like we'll be getting a "So I joined The Nation of Islam" thread in a week or two?




Also I love seeing Malek get all worked up  :lol

A pox to you all, my nonexistent god is angry.

There are good reasons to have beliefs and there are bad reasons to have beliefs. There is evidence for beliefs and evidence against beliefs. There are beliefs that clash with reality and there are beliefs that don't. Don't pick and choose based on your personal preference. Life is not a buffet of beliefs. Don't choose the ones that taste good. Choose the ones that are correct.

Very wrong. 
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2007, 12:17:14 AM
I'm not going to join Nation of Islam. If I'm going to become a Muslim, it will be orthodoxed Sunni.

CNN report on Muslim converts

[youtube=425,350]PN-EfgU7PW4[/youtube]
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 16, 2007, 02:12:44 AM
why sunni?

and NoI are pretty radical and stupid.  at least they were when elijah mohammed was in charge, I don't know what it's like right now.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2007, 02:39:19 AM
why sunni?

and NoI are pretty radical and stupid.  at least they were when elijah mohammed was in charge, I don't know what it's like right now.

Well the NBPP pulled a gun on me a few years ago, so yeah...they're still radical. Just irrelevent
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: captainbiotch on December 16, 2007, 02:46:04 AM
Stop searching for another dumbass myth to fill the holes in your life theories and use your brain.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2007, 03:50:16 AM
why sunni?

and NoI are pretty radical and stupid.  at least they were when elijah mohammed was in charge, I don't know what it's like right now.

Well, aren't 85% of muslims sunni? I just figure Sunni because my chances of being sunni do to the statistics like that are high.

Not that there's anything wrong with Shia
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2007, 04:03:28 AM
I am going to a Mosque tomorrow during final prayer, and I will be speaking to the Imam when they are done. We'll see where it goes from there.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 16, 2007, 04:13:22 AM
Oh Himumu, this is tragic.  There's nothing quite so sad as a grown man turning towards religion, not even out of tragedy, but out of interest.  I can understand indoctrination happening in the wake of death, or during chronic illness, or during other extremely trying times, but for a man at full capacity to desire baseless belief is, well, sad, and even more tragically, the probable cause of many of the shitty problems with the world.  You weren't raised in these things, so rejection should be easy, but you are apparently looking for some sort of set of answers, and instead of looking for yourself, you are going with what is easy even though it is irrational.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 16, 2007, 04:19:18 AM
you should probably research it more himu than just looking at the statistics.

and tvc, this makes more sense than becoming faithful after death or tragedy.  he's already indoctrinated into faith and now he's just looking at other ways of practicing that.  I have no doubt that if he finds that it doesn't match his opinion then he'll reject it.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 16, 2007, 04:23:42 AM
you should probably research it more himu than just looking at the statistics.

and tvc, this makes more sense than becoming faithful after death or tragedy.  he's already indoctrinated into faith and now he's just looking at other ways of practicing that.  I have no doubt that if he finds that it doesn't match his opinion then he'll reject it.

It doesn't make any sense.

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I'm losing faith, thus I'm interested in Islam, another monotheistic religion. I want to test the waters and see if it's for me.

He is losing faith, and instead of looking at more rational and intellectual explanations, he seeks to drug himself with another sourse of the same delusion.  Fate, not faith, has gifted him with a chance to break free, but instead he looks to quickly bond himself to a new dealer.  What he is doing, in short, is against nature.  Enjoy your new artifice, himumu.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 16, 2007, 04:32:46 AM
I also disagree with having faith but this is what people usually do when they question their faith.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 16, 2007, 04:39:02 AM
I also disagree with having faith but this is what people usually do when they question their faith.

And talking to an Imam isn't a good place to look for answers if you are on the edge.  He's just going to tell Himuro what Himuro wants to hear:  Islam has the answers.  It will be some variation of that.  It would be similar to me telling Himuro to go talk to a Philosophy professor for answers.  It's a shortcut, a shitty shortcut.

I, as always, suggest reading.  If you have faith and believe Islam, then faith will come to you effortlessly; then go talk to the Imam.  Do not use him as a "salesperson," because he will only tell you what you want to hear.

If you are interested in going it on your own (brotherhood be damned; we are in this thing alone), I'd suggest starting with Sartre's Existentialism and Human Emotions.  Turning away from religion is easy for people with a fraction of a brain, it is finding a way to fill the gaps that is difficult.  Existentialism will not fill the gaps, it is not a prescriptive philosophy, but it is a useful philosophy, and for many, it opens up a whole world of meaning outside of religion.  A whole world of actually useful meaning.

I went through a crisis of faith as a teenager.  I rejected religion when I was about 12.  When I started pursing intellectual things when I was 18, it became apparent I would have to address the faith and religion issue.  While not offering a ready-made, pre-baked solution, I credit Sartre for making me the best possible Seeker that I could be. 

So, himumu, you don't have to take my suggestion--there are many other roads and paths out there, all of them more worthwhile than Abrahamic religion--but don't think that the first "answer" is the best one.  Question everything.  Do not talk to the Imam if you consider yourself emotionally in a position where you can be taken advantage of, wanting to get drunk off blind faith like the old days.  I just ask you to read.  Read every sentence over and over and over, and do not move on until you understand it.  That's kind of my little rule in life.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: MCD on December 16, 2007, 05:03:17 AM
And remember, in Islam, you can't just go Muslim one day and then abandon it the day after.

well, yes you can do that but the Muslims around you may not take it lightly, so think carefully.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2007, 11:05:08 AM
TVC: I don't know if it's the answer or not. I am getting the Qu'ran and going to a mosque today. When I finish reading the Qu'ran, and all of the reading material I am currently gathering - from comparing Christianity, Judaism, and Islam; to hardcore OPPOSITION to Islam so I hear their views; to different points of view entirely. I am sure I will know if it is for me after all of that. I am far from becoming an Muslm so don't sweat it.

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And talking to an Imam isn't a good place to look for answers if you are on the edge.  He's just going to tell Himuro what Himuro wants to hear:  Islam has the answers.  It will be some variation of that.

Well, I'd PREFER talking to a convert which is why I'm going to an Imam. He will most likely direct me to other converts at the mosque so they can tell me their story and if Islam is for me.

Reading Jack Chick related stuff.

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/default.asp

And remember, in Islam, you can't just go Muslim one day and then abandon it the day after.

well, yes you can do that but the Muslims around you may not take it lightly, so think carefully.

In America, you can leave your faith freely.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 16, 2007, 12:57:20 PM
yeah, trading christianity in for islam seems like a total non-event; like trading in a rusty ford for a rusty chevy. in the end, what difference does it make, other than the very temporary novelty of pointing out you have a different ride?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2007, 01:11:57 PM
[youtube=425,350]dJd3MgIcbnA[/youtube]

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Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 16, 2007, 01:16:37 PM
yeah, trading christianity in for islam seems like a total non-event; like trading in a rusty ford for a rusty chevy. in the end, what difference does it make, other than the very temporary novelty of pointing out you have a different ride?

That about sums it up.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2007, 05:40:05 PM
Picked up the Qu'ran and a guide to American Muslims while Xmas shopping today.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: demi on December 16, 2007, 05:48:32 PM
now you can threaten jihad on those evil godless taco bell workers at the drive-thru
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2007, 05:51:27 PM
Well, not really. Jihad means inner struggle, it does not mean holy war.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: demi on December 16, 2007, 05:55:59 PM
durka durka burrito
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2007, 05:58:14 PM
give me a chalupa or i will commit jihad against your fine mexican establishment
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2007, 05:59:06 PM
give me a chalupa or i will commit jihad against your fine mexican establishment
[youtube=425,350]dJd3MgIcbnA[/youtube]

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what is this from  :lol
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:48:05 AM
I went to the Mosque located in my town tonight. It was a pretty pleasant experience. I thought the way they prayed to be absolutely beautiful. After they prayed I talked to the Imam and we both agreed that I should read the Qu'ran before making my decision. He and a few Muslims gave me multiple pamphlets regarding the religion and told me various phrases and traditions I should know - such as how to treat the Qu'ran - you never put it on the ground since it is a holy book, and also things like "In Sha'Allah" (which translated to If God Wills) which is what Muslims say when discussing future events since we do not know if we will arise tomorrow or not.

It was an overall pleasant experience. The people were very understanding, thoughtful, and extremely friendly. It was amazing how friendly they were. Every time a Muslim walked into the Mosque he shook every single person in the vicinity's hand. I don't think I've ever seen nor experienced such hospitality in a church but this just goes to prove my theory that Muslims all treat everyone as brothers. I truly did not feel like I did not belong there.

This Friday I will be going back at 8:00 am and maybe 1:40 pm. They told me that they will be celebrating a once a year activity and I figured I could go ahead and go. In the mean while I am studying Christianity and Islam so I can make my choice between the two. My father is supportive in my decision to find what is for me, but I can tell he does not want me to leave Christianity and gave me a good talk about Jesus Christ and the meaning behind Christianity's revering of him, something I just don't agree on.

Over all it's been a nice day. I'm currently reading this before I dive into the Qu'ran.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418NNE861YL._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 01:52:48 AM
You do Barnum proud, Himumu.  I hope you find the answers you are looking for; on the other hand I am disappointed that ou have illustrated that you would rather have thinking done for you than to exhibit control over your own life.  I guess the world requires all kinds.  Keep in mind that I'll still be content when you are having your next crisis of faith, in a few years.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 01:55:44 AM
you really ARE shopping for a religion! if you're in it for the superficial trappings -- the prayers, the lore, the ritual -- why not just observe it from afar?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: demi on December 17, 2007, 01:57:08 AM
they are like brothers? do you really miss GAF that much? :x
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 01:57:37 AM
I like how it's between christianity and islam.  Those are the only 2 paths worth following in Himumu's world!

As I just said to someone else:

I am respectful of religious people, but I'll have no pity on people like Himumu.  He has been given an opportunity to explore every option for fulfillment in the world, and instead he decides to walk back into a church.  I'm not sure people come much dumber.  In a decade he'll be a born again christian.


Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:57:51 AM
I'm not shopping for a religion. I agree with pretty much every single thing I've learned about Islam so far, I just don't know if I agree with all of it. What is wrong with noticing something eloquent and important like praying?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 01:58:46 AM
is it eloquent and important? or is it just a paint job you react to?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:58:59 AM
I like how it's between christianity and islam.  Those are the only 2 paths worth following in Himumu's world!

As I just said to someone else:

I am respectful of religious people, but I'll have no pity on people like Himumu.  He has been given an opportunity to explore every option for fulfillment in the world, and instead he decides to walk back into a church.




What other faith should I choose? I believe in only one God, I am not atheist nor agnostic.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 01:59:24 AM
I agree with pretty much every single thing I've learned about Islam so far, I just don't know if I agree with all of it.

This is what we call a non sequitor.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 02:00:12 AM
why choose a specific faith?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 02:00:52 AM
Why not? I've studied through all the various faiths for the past year and a half. As of now, I identify with Islam the most.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 02:01:44 AM
Why are you so caught up in ceremony?  Why not go for a form of religious humanism?  You clearly have not even looked at all SPIRITUAL options.  Nope, islam and christianity, those are the only two religions in the world!
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 02:02:09 AM
because if you have an intellectually vigorous mind, you'll find nothing of worth in ritual and dogma?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 02:05:49 AM
Why is Islam the one, Himumu?  Why not any of the zillion flavors of Christianity?  Why not Judaism?  Why not Bahai?  Why not one of the monistic forms of Hindu?  Sikhism (that is monotheistic, right?)?  Zoroasterism?

If you want to expand your definition of god, why not more eastern mysticisms, like buddhism or taoism?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 02:06:39 AM
and what if you pick the wrong one, huh?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: demi on December 17, 2007, 02:09:49 AM
God is in the drive-thru speaker
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 02:11:36 AM
"i'd like a religion that has the cultural outsider status that is appropriate for my self-aggrandized sense of personal uniqueness, but with the history and ceremony necessary to validate it -- and please don't recommend any boring old flavors of christianity, they're so, so, so unexciting"

"would you like fries with that?"
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 17, 2007, 02:27:54 AM
it doesn't seem to me like he's the type to get convinced because of the way they pray or anything.  if he does convert, it'd probably be because he agrees with the five tenets of islam and  since at that point islam would be the closest religion that he agrees with, he'll believe in that and then decide on every other issue for himself.  that's how another muslim convert I know of thinks (like I said before he doesn't announce his beliefs to everybody).  also himu, don't debate islam with anybody who is not a convert or that you do not know.  I never tried it that hard but it might turn into a "because the quran says so" type of thing.

and prole, I doubt he'll be too enthusiastic about the ceremony aspect of it.  there's like 20 holy days where you're mourning somebodies death and 2 holy days where you're supposed to be happy.  surely there will be some culture shift there.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Barry Egan on December 17, 2007, 02:28:22 AM
Valis -

Quote from: Alan Watts
"In the average church, all you get is talk. There is no meditation and no spiritual discipline. They
interminably tell God what to do, as if He did not know. Then they tell the people what to do, as if
they could do what they're told, or even wanted to. Then they sing religious nursery rhymes. And then,
to cap it all, the Roman Catholic Church which at least had an unintelligible service that was real
mysterious and suggested vast goings on went on to put the service into bad English. They took away
incense, and became essentially a bunch of Protestants, and so now even the Catholics are at loose
ends. As Clare Boothe Luce said, "It is no longer possible to practice contemplative prayer at mass."
You are being advised, exhorted, and edified all the time, and that becomes a bore. Think of God,
listening to all those prayers. Talk about grieving the Holy Spirit. It is just awful; people have no
consideration for God at all."
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 02:30:51 AM
it doesn't seem to me like he's the type to get convinced because of the way they pray or anything.  if he does convert, it'd probably be because he agrees with the five tenets of islam and  since at that point islam would be the closest religion that he agrees with, he'll believe in that and then decide on every other issue for himself.  that's how another muslim convert I know of thinks (like I said before he doesn't announce his beliefs to everybody).  also himu, don't debate islam with anybody who is not a convert or that you do not know.  I never tried it that hard but it might turn into a "because the quran says so" type of thing.

and prole, I doubt he'll be too enthusiastic about the ceremony aspect of it.  there's like 20 holy days where you're mourning somebodies death and 2 holy days where you're supposed to be happy.  surely there will be some culture shift there.

But he clearly is affected by the way they pray, and the ceremony, and he clearly has not looked into other faiths, let along other belief systems.

He still has yet to say why Islam is attractive to him outside of fundamentally superficial things.

My theory, simplified, is that he is just looking for somewhere he will feel like he belongs, the sense of being a part of a group.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 02:31:07 AM
it doesn't seem to me like he's the type to get convinced because of the way they pray or anything.  if he does convert, it'd probably be because he agrees with the five tenets of islam and  since at that point islam would be the closest religion that he agrees with, he'll believe in that and then decide on every other issue for himself. 

I already agree with the five pillars of Islam.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 02:34:08 AM
it doesn't seem to me like he's the type to get convinced because of the way they pray or anything.  if he does convert, it'd probably be because he agrees with the five tenets of islam and  since at that point islam would be the closest religion that he agrees with, he'll believe in that and then decide on every other issue for himself.  that's how another muslim convert I know of thinks (like I said before he doesn't announce his beliefs to everybody).  also himu, don't debate islam with anybody who is not a convert or that you do not know.  I never tried it that hard but it might turn into a "because the quran says so" type of thing.

and prole, I doubt he'll be too enthusiastic about the ceremony aspect of it.  there's like 20 holy days where you're mourning somebodies death and 2 holy days where you're supposed to be happy.  surely there will be some culture shift there.

But he clearly is affected by the way they pray, and the ceremony, and he clearly has not looked into other faiths, let along other belief systems.

He still has yet to say why Islam is attractive to him outside of fundamentally superficial things.

My theory, simplified, is that he is just looking for somewhere he will feel like he belongs, the sense of being a part of a group.

Read what Chipopo posted. These are things that make a huge difference. Maybe not to you, but they are far from superficial. At the final prayer, all they did was pray to god for 10 minutes, and left. No bullshit, just praising God. That appeals to me. What the hell is wrong with that? That is a huge difference from going to church for 2-3 hours singing nursery rhymes and rolling your eyes at the fact people praise Jesus instead of GOD.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 02:36:43 AM
That is the dumbest thing you've said in this entire thread.  The arcane factor, the mysteriousness of a religious service is NOT superficial?  It's the most superficial thing of all!  By your definition, the Mysterious Rite at the orgy in Eyes Wide Shut must be the most RELIGIOUS thing of all since it is nearly incomprehensible.  Sound and fury, sound and fury.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 02:42:59 AM
"In the average church, all you get is talk. There is no meditation and no spiritual discipline. They
interminably tell God what to do, as if He did not know. Then they tell the people what to do, as if
they could do what they're told, or even wanted to. Then they sing religious nursery rhymes. And then,
to cap it all, the Roman Catholic Church which at least had an unintelligible service that was real
mysterious and suggested vast goings on went on to put the service into bad English. They took away
incense, and became essentially a bunch of Protestants, and so now even the Catholics are at loose
ends. As Clare Boothe Luce said, "It is no longer possible to practice contemplative prayer at mass."
You are being advised, exhorted, and edified all the time, and that becomes a bore. Think of God,
listening to all those prayers. Talk about grieving the Holy Spirit. It is just awful; people have no
consideration for God at all."

and yet either way -- proselytic or esoteric -- it matters for nothing, since there are few phrases in this world more fundamentally meaningless (and possibly oxymoronic) than "spiritual discipline"

Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 02:45:18 AM
I agree with the rules of fight club.  Let's worship!
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 02:47:20 AM
given the vast diversity of monotheistic religions, and the even more diverse rituals and ceremony adopted by each sect beneath them, which one do you think god likes best, himu, and why
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 17, 2007, 02:55:25 AM
I personally am not sure how to deal with people having a crisis of faith.  I became an atheist just because I thought if there was a god, he wouldn't be dumb enough to have us choose a religion or else he would have us unable to comprehend the stupidity of that situation (if he was a sadist that just wanted to see us argue and war over religions).  and I went from there figuring go with science.  by that I mean I was figuring out what sorts of things should make sense to me then (scientifically and philosophically).  this of course happened over about year long period that I was deciding whether or not to have a conscience for the rest of my life and become a psychopath.  eventually I came to terms with the fact that there was no easy answer to achieving an identity you're satisfied with and now I feel I need physical proof of a god in order to believe in it.  that moment probably made me the happiest I've ever been in my life.

I figure most converts convert because they thoroughly studied islam and believe it questions their faith in the best way.  which is kind of a stupid thing and I won't sugarcoat that but you can't change somebody's opinion of having that sort of faith.

at the end of the day, we can't change any of his religious opinions.  this is the way he wants to research faith around the world, then we can't change that.  you're thinking about it backwards in my opinion tvc and prole.  you can't deconvert somebody unless they decide to.  it just does not happen.  they can be the most laid back and "open minded" guy ever, you can't just go up to them and explain a bunch of great science and philosophy against religion and have them stop believing in religion.  at least not when they're at a stage where they're considering conversion.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 02:58:02 AM
i'm not trying to deconvert him, habib; he hasn't converted yet. if he has in fact converted, then WHY IS HE BRINGING IT UP i ask
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 02:58:59 AM
I'm not trying to deconvert him, am nintenho.  I'm not trying to give him answers; I'm just tring to make him recognize that he's done an inadequate job of looking around, and he appears to have picked one religion because, pardon the expression, he is judging a nun by the length of her habit; a completely shallow judgement.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 17, 2007, 03:14:53 AM
at this point, it's obvious that he has faith and you can't really take that out of a person.  people are pretty black and white on that.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 03:22:24 AM
at this point, it's obvious that he has faith and you can't really take that out of a person.  people are pretty black and white on that.

I don't think any of us know anything about faith.  I do know that faith leads to any of a multitude of religions, and monotheism is the only thing Himu has said that leads him to Islam.  Five pillars, ten commandments, all very believable rules--all religions have generally agreeable tenets at their core, so the alone aren't the reason you pick one religion over another.  Ceremony and how faith are publicly displayed are as superficial as skin and clothing, and very little that is important is taken solely due to the attractiveness of its cover.  I'm still waiting for the number one question's answer:  why islam? 
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: MCD on December 17, 2007, 03:33:23 AM
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why islam? 


Because he believes in one god and agree to the rules of Islam?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 03:35:29 AM
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why islam? 


Because he believes in one god and agree to the rules of Islam?

The 5 pillars aren't really anything that unique, aside from the praying thing.  As I said about the ten commandments and fight club, agreeing with the rules is not everything.  I am willing to bet that Himu agrees with the rules of Bahai, too.  Why not Bahai?  Because he hasn't looked into it.  He is not making an educated decision.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 17, 2007, 03:39:58 AM
I doubt he'll convert though if he doesn't believe in the other rules in islam.  most people that convert know more about the religion than those that are born into it.  I can only imagine this is because they are more interested in it.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 03:42:38 AM
I doubt he'll convert though if he doesn't believe in the other rules in islam.  most people that convert know more about the religion than those that are born into it.  I can only imagine this is because they are more interested in it.

Well, I'm not wasting my words any further.  Himuro has been given an opportunity here, and he is squandering it by returning to another prescriptive faith.  Similar to a depressed person, he can be prescribed ever good medicine in the world, but he'll only get better if he truly wants to.  Right now, I guess he feels better wasting more years of his life having his will and freedom snuffed.  Here's to hoping the lad comes around.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: MCD on December 17, 2007, 03:44:53 AM
Well, hajj, fast and zakat are unique, at least when compared to Himu's religion (Christianity?).

and most people follow heavenly(?) religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam i think), and at least all three believe in one god(?) which is what Himu believes in.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 03:46:09 AM
And, say, Bahai encompasses all of that. . .but Himu hasn't looked into that because he is not making an informed decision, he is taking the easy way all the way.  Does Islam really need more easily manipulated people?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: MCD on December 17, 2007, 03:51:50 AM
I don't think it's about looking into it, people are affected by what surrounds them, and right now he is surrounded by muslims and christians.

and these are the only options for him now.

besides, people are lazy, why read on all kinds of religions when you can choose the one in front of you?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 03:54:02 AM
besides, people are lazy, why read on all kinds of religions when you can choose the one in front of you?

Because if he really cared about this, it's his immortal soul he is talking about.  If I had faith, I wouldn't take making the decision so lightly.  If I had faith, I'd think, "of all the things to take shortcuts and be hasty when making my decision, I certainly don't want to do that with religion." 
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 17, 2007, 03:55:50 AM
It seems to me, he hasn't also taken the time to properly understand the religion he is leaving either.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 03:56:07 AM
Aslam alaikum Himuro (http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7019/1192692358064rs9.gif)

I've been to the local mosque a couple times, and I found everyone to be very friendly and brotherly. There is this sense of unity among the people that I rarely see in the Christian churches I've visited over the last 15 years. I'm not saying Christian churches aren't united, just that I've gotten the impression that there's definitely more "oneness" in a mosque.

Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 03:57:42 AM
And I've seen the sense of oneness at Mariners games.  That has little to do with religion.  You get that with any organized mob, from mosque to orchestra pit.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: MCD on December 17, 2007, 03:58:48 AM
Well, i don't think he is under any pressure.

himu, this is your life and after life...etc...

do what TVC is telling ya, read up some books/wiki articles, you are young so don't be haste now.

you don't wanna regret this later.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 03:59:58 AM
I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.

Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 04:02:02 AM
I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.



I thought it was what you were getting at.  Read your post and you'll probably realize it's not that odd of an error.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 04:07:35 AM
It seems to me, he hasn't also taken the time to properly understand the religion he is leaving either.

I haven't said I was going to leave it and I said earlier that I am trying to understand it while studying up on Islam as well.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 04:07:53 AM
I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.



I thought it was what you were getting at.  Read your post and you'll probably realize it's not that odd of an error.

I was clearly comparing the differences between mosques and churches, not referencing secular institutions.

But enough of that, I rarely talk about religion online anymore. But Himu's case is rather interesting. I respect all religions and people of faith, but I would still ask Himu many of the same questions that have already been raised. Seems like a big transition to me, I dunno.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 04:09:52 AM
I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.



I thought it was what you were getting at.  Read your post and you'll probably realize it's not that odd of an error.

I was clearly comparing the differences between mosques and churches, not referencing secular institutions.

And I was indicating that I really see little difference between the unity in a church, mosque, or orchestra pit.  I don't see what secular or non-secular has to do with that.  By my terms, writing is a form of prayer, and it's no less holy than you praying on a pew, or himu contemplating facing to the east.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 17, 2007, 04:21:53 AM
I haven't said I was going to leave it and I said earlier that I am trying to understand it while studying up on Islam as well.
Okay I missed it then. If you want this is a Catholic perspective http://www.catholic.com/library.asp

Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 04:25:30 AM
I'm not suggesting it's only seen in religious institutions TVC; I notice that train of logic comes up in every religious discussion online, and frankly it's rather dumb.



I thought it was what you were getting at.  Read your post and you'll probably realize it's not that odd of an error.

I was clearly comparing the differences between mosques and churches, not referencing secular institutions.

And I was indicating that I really see little difference between the unity in a church, mosque, or orchestra pit.  I don't see what secular or non-secular has to do with that.  By my terms, writing is a form of prayer, and it's no less holy than you praying on a pew, or himu contemplating facing to the east.

Holiness? I'm not talking about that, or sincerity in beliefs. I'm just talking about the community aspect of the mosque. Maybe it's because there's a church on every corner in many areas of the country, I dunno; I'm merely giving my observation on the issue, based off visiting a mosque and being friends with Muslims. New people who visit places of worship are usually met with interest and charitable help, whether it's a mosque or church. Yet with Islam there seems to be more emphasis on building that unity to me, especially among the men; NoI blocks in inner city neighborhoods are a testament to that.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 04:30:21 AM
Eh, I'm just saying that community isn't all that important, in the be all end all sense.  I think of religion as, at heart, singular, and mainly of the person.  It's your soul you are bartering with, why base your decision on the quality of the communit.  I may be wording this wrong, but I see that as superficial, possibly similar to, say, picking a frat based on something as arbitrary as who throws the banginest parties.

That didn't come out the way I intended.  I am getting hasty.  I need to go to bed.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 04:36:51 AM
Organized religion vs one's personal religious battle?

We definitely agree on that, although sometimes having a caring community to help you through tough times isn't a bad thing either.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 17, 2007, 04:45:49 AM
what are all these community things you guys are orgasming over?

and you actually face to the north.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 04:48:59 AM
Organized religion vs one's personal religious battle?

We definitely agree on that, although sometimes having a caring community to help you through tough times isn't a bad thing either.

If I need a community, it's pretty easy to find one if I need one.  In the United States, I think some variation of that sentiment is true for everyone.  I don't think a god is necessar to find a community to be a part of.  That seems like finding an excuse to be a part of something, to me.

what are all these community things you guys are orgasming over?

and you actually face to the north.

I thought you faced that building with the black stone in it, in Mecca, which from Florida, and most (if not all) places in the US, would be to the east, by most direct route?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: MCD on December 17, 2007, 04:55:12 AM
Quote
I thought you faced that building with the black stone in it, in Mecca

The Kaaba, and you are correct.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 05:01:05 AM
Am Nintenho is a woman confirmed
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 17, 2007, 05:01:31 AM
^wtf?
I thought you faced that building with the black stone in it, in Mecca, which from Florida, and most (if not all) places in the US, would be to the east, by most direct route?
uhhh, I know on the west coast you face 19 degrees east of north (it's technically closer that way) so I assume that's the direction in most of North America.  I'm not sure.  I thought Himu was in texas?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 11:58:45 AM
In Houston it is NE. In Florida I will have to bring out a compass to see what direction it is, or ask a few Muslim friends at school.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Gay Boy on December 17, 2007, 12:10:42 PM
I thought most american muslims are shia?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 12:36:38 PM
Looks like I'm getting Himuro some C4 for Christmas (or Ramadan)
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Tauntaun on December 17, 2007, 12:38:01 PM
Looks like I'm getting Himuro some C4 for Christmas (or Ramadan)

Or an all expense paid trip to Guantanamo.  :-*
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
Looks like I'm getting Himuro some C4 for Christmas (or Ramadan)

and i'll give you himuroids!

DID SOMEONE SAY HIMUROIDS?!!?

(http://blogs.chron.com/tmi/peewee.JPGcommand%3DGetPreview&library%3DPhoto+Archive&RecID%3D1081018&Filename%3Dpeewee%20(2).jpg)

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:00:41 PM
My best friend is Bahai. Seems pretty cool
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:01:27 PM
My best friend is Bahai. Seems pretty cool
has he ever tried to pull off a jihad?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: demi on December 17, 2007, 01:09:30 PM
has he ever given you a Jihad JO?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:10:30 PM
In Houston it is NE. In Florida I will have to bring out a compass to see what direction it is, or ask a few Muslim friends at school.


 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:10:52 PM
If we ever live on the moon or other planets how will muslims pray?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:12:30 PM
In Houston it is NE. In Florida I will have to bring out a compass to see what direction it is, or ask a few Muslim friends at school.


 :lol :lol :lol

There's nothing funny. Depending on where I am the direction could be slightly different.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:14:30 PM
has he ever given you a Jihad JO?
i'll fire the shot that wins the war
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:16:48 PM
i fired the shot that started a nation
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:19:11 PM

There's nothing funny. Depending on where I am the direction could be slightly different.

I think it's hilarious.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:20:05 PM
why do you think it's hilarious?  it won't change Himuro's targets or how many virgins he gets
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:30:03 PM
why do you think it's hilarious?  it won't change Himuro's targets or how many virgins he gets

He gets one less Virgin for each degree off.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:35:08 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:37:40 PM
why do you think it's hilarious?  it won't change Himuro's targets or how many virgins he gets

He gets one less Virgin for each degree off.

IT MUST BE POINTING STRAIGHT TO MECCA AND THE KA'BAH OR ELSE I GET NO VIRGINS AT ALL

Dont' you see my predicament?!
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:40:37 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

Would you be saying this if he "found" Christianity instead of Islam?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:41:24 PM
Of course he would. He have been buds for almost 10 years now. Fuck off.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:42:32 PM
Of course he would. He have been buds for almost 10 years now. Fuck off.

Somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:45:25 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

Would you be saying this if he "found" Christianity instead of Islam?
Yes.  I don't differentiate between religions.  I really don't know what you're trying to imply about me.  I have been a pretty big defender of religion in general on these forums.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:46:07 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

Would you be saying this if he "found" Christianity instead of Islam?
Yes.  I don't differentiate between religions.  I really don't know what you're trying to imply about me.  I have been a pretty big defender of religion in general on these forums.

Sorry, I wasnt trying to imply anything about you.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:47:13 PM
IMPLICATIONS

IMPLICATIONS
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:50:04 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

Would you be saying this if he "found" Christianity instead of Islam?
Yes.  I don't differentiate between religions.  I really don't know what you're trying to imply about me.  I have been a pretty big defender of religion in general on these forums.

Sorry, I wasnt trying to imply anything about you.
it's all good.  i have no issues with religion as long as it's not being forced on other people.  
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 01:50:23 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:50:40 PM
Pick a Muslim name for me
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:51:26 PM
Pick a Muslim name for me

Animumu X
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 01:52:54 PM
mohammed bohammed
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 01:53:16 PM
Sayeed Al Himumumumumumu Animumu
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 01:57:30 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.
While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 17, 2007, 01:59:48 PM
Religion gets a bad rap on the internet.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 02:05:30 PM
religion is nonsense
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 17, 2007, 02:06:30 PM
Religion gets a bad rap on the internet.
not true
[youtube=425,350]mKjQ-MBz4F4[/youtube]
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 02:06:42 PM
religion is nonsense
worship my nuts.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 17, 2007, 02:11:00 PM
Person a: I believe x

Internet: Why do you believe x?

Person a: Why are you so intolerant?
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 02:26:50 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.
While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.

He's not harming anyone except himself, you mean.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 02:29:59 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.
While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.

He's not harming anyone except himself, you mean.
How so?  Religion doesn't have to be life inhibiting
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Powerslave on December 17, 2007, 02:37:51 PM
Person a: I believe x

Internet: Why do you believe x?

Person a: Why are you so intolerant?

Internet: Why are you so stupid? There is no god and I am RIGHT

fixed
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Gay Boy on December 17, 2007, 02:50:29 PM
Why would Muslims want virgins in heaven? The type of people who would live life and die as virgins were probably ugly and or fat.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: TVC15 on December 17, 2007, 03:00:40 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.
While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.

He's not harming anyone except himself, you mean.
How so?  Religion doesn't have to be life inhibiting

Does it have rules that he needs to follow?  Useless rules?  Even little things like not eating pork, or the restriction of sexual activities?  Alcohol, drugs?  Putting time aside 5 times a day for prayer?  Those aren't even all the restrictions, and already I'd say that particular religion is life-inhibiting.  This is without even getting into the intellectual dishonesty involved.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 17, 2007, 03:02:40 PM
let's not forget two months of fasting
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Powerslave on December 17, 2007, 03:03:19 PM
1 month
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 03:07:55 PM
Fasting isn't so bad. I tend to eat only one meal a day these days anyways. I've been doing it since High School.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Gay Boy on December 17, 2007, 03:08:32 PM
That is going to destroy your metabolism by the time you hit 30 Himuro.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Powerslave on December 17, 2007, 03:09:01 PM
Fasting isn't bad at all. After 3 days you get used to it and you start to appreciate the delicious food you're about to crave more.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Gay Boy on December 17, 2007, 03:11:10 PM
Fasting isn't bad at all. After 3 days you get used to it and you start to appreciate the delicious food you're about to crave more.
I mean him only eating one meal a day since high school.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 03:13:29 PM
That is going to destroy your metabolism by the time you hit 30 Himuro.

Well it's obviously not every day. most days I eat lunch and dinner or breakfast and dinner. during high school for some periods I would only eat dinner since my ADD meds made me lost my appetite, thus forcing me to not eat lunch. I can manage for one month.

Alcohol? I rarely drink alcohol to begin with. Drugs? The only drug I use is weed and that is allowed since it can be compared to a cigerrette. Restricted sexual activities? Depends on the Muslim. Some believe in not restricting sexual activities as they are more liberal, some believe in it as they more conservative. Praying 5 times a day is a good thing imo, it'll keep you in check. It's pretty hard to try to talk badly or do bad things when you pray 5 times a day.

Not eating pork is the only life altering thing, and even then, I prefer chicken anyways.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Gay Boy on December 17, 2007, 03:14:47 PM
That is going to destroy your metabolism by the time you hit 30 Himuro.

Well it's obviously not every day, but I can manage for one month.

I meant the one meal a day thing as I said above. Once you get 30+ you'll regret is severely. You put on weight like there is no tomorrow and it will be impossible to get off.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 03:15:16 PM
read the edit.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 17, 2007, 03:18:17 PM
I prefer chicken anyways.
duh
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 03:23:12 PM
Chicken <3
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 17, 2007, 03:31:13 PM
weed isn't comparable to a cigarette.  it doesn't make you addicted and that's why the first few times you're smoking cigarettes, that's a sin until you get addicted and you can't take it physically to quit or whatever.  but weed isn't that bad.  alcohol is very bad but weed, since not very strong, is not too bad (the amount of sinfulness is measured in how much it alters your mind and so things like blood thinners, anti-depressants, and probably ADD medication is advised against unless needed for "survival").  to smoke weed is really not that bad.  islam is very grey when it comes to mind altering drugs and I might not remember a lot of these rules (doubt it though).  go ask a muslim convert mullah thingy and figure it out.

I think restricting weed is stupid as fuck though.

you can be 20 degrees off when praying to meccah.  when on a plane or on the moon, it doesn't matter what direction you pray in.  it's meant as a unifying thing that every muslim prays in the same direction.  please stop talking until you have spoken with a mullah about your questions on islam FOC (like I told you to).

for fasting, muslims wake up before sunrise (around 5 A.M.) and eat a light breakfast.  then they eat dinner at sunset around 6 P.M. (they follow the lunar calendar which is 2 weeks shorter than the solar one so it goes back 2 weeks every year so it's in the winter now but in the summer in a 5 years or something).  it's not hard at all.  fasting lasts one month and has a bunch of days of mourning in it.  the purpose is to make you feel what the poor/hungry people feel like.  if you're sick/pregnant/old then you're forbidden to do this because it could affect your health but it isn't hard at all.  some might say you're really full of religious self-righteousness instead.  honestly, past 10 years old it's really easy but I was never told to do it until I was like 14.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2007, 03:32:52 PM
Ha I remember at our end-of-semester banquet during HS everyone brought a shit ton of food. So the arab people brought Arab food, the Hebrew people brought Hebrew food, the Asian people brought Asian food, the Italian people brought Italian food...and the black people brought chicken wings, pork chops, greens, cornbread, etc. So I'm dumping Asian food on my plate and notice the Jews and Arabs are looking at the black food all scared, so I go over to them

Me: Sup Ali, my mom made the greens. They're good
Ali: But what kind of meat is in it?
Jacob: Yea uhhh, what's in there...
Me: I don't know lol. There's no meat in the cornbread
Jacob: You guys put meat in just about everything

 :lol
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Powerslave on December 17, 2007, 03:33:31 PM
Quote from: am nintenho
if you're sick/pregnant/old then you're forbidden to do this

also young
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 03:35:30 PM
Ha I remember at our end-of-semester banquet during HS everyone brought a shit ton of food. So the arab people brought Arab food, the Hebrew people brought Hebrew food, the Asian people brought Asian food, the Italian people brought Italian food...and the black people brought chicken wings, pork chops, greens, cornbread, etc. So I'm dumping Asian food on my plate and notice the Jews and Arabs are looking at the black food all scared, so I go over to them

Me: Sup Ali, my mom made the greens. They're good
Ali: But what kind of meat is in it?
Jacob: Yea uhhh, what's in there...
Me: I don't know lol. There's no meat in the cornbread
Jacob: You guys put meat in just about everything

 :lol

lol
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Mupepe on December 17, 2007, 03:37:59 PM
in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.
While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.

He's not harming anyone except himself, you mean.
How so?  Religion doesn't have to be life inhibiting

Does it have rules that he needs to follow?  Useless rules?  Even little things like not eating pork, or the restriction of sexual activities?  Alcohol, drugs?  Putting time aside 5 times a day for prayer?  Those aren't even all the restrictions, and already I'd say that particular religion is life-inhibiting.  This is without even getting into the intellectual dishonesty involved.
You said he's harming himself.  The only one thing that could really be harmful would be fasting.

The intellectual dishonesty is a whole different subject which I'm not prepared to argue because it's the whole reason I don't do organized religion.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: brawndolicious on December 17, 2007, 03:38:23 PM
Quote from: am nintenho
if you're sick/pregnant/old then you're forbidden to do this
also young
oh yeah.  some of them do a pussyified style and fast until noon.
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: demi on December 17, 2007, 03:39:19 PM
Ha I remember at our end-of-semester banquet during HS everyone brought a shit ton of food. So the arab people brought Arab food, the Hebrew people brought Hebrew food, the Asian people brought Asian food, the Italian people brought Italian food...and the black people brought chicken wings, pork chops, greens, cornbread, etc. So I'm dumping Asian food on my plate and notice the Jews and Arabs are looking at the black food all scared, so I go over to them

Me: Sup Ali, my mom made the greens. They're good
Ali: But what kind of meat is in it?
Jacob: Yea uhhh, what's in there...
Me: I don't know lol. There's no meat in the cornbread
Jacob: You guys put meat in just about everything

 :lol

:lol black people
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2007, 11:04:04 PM
This American Muslims book is really interesting. It's shedding a lot of light on the religion, and I'm finding myself shifting to it even more. The Islam views on slavery are very interesting.

Going to read Fresh Prince's catholic stuff soon.,
Title: Re: I'm interested in Islam
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 02:06:43 AM
Wow I never considered that converting to Islam could be seen as a way to reverting and finding ones past African roots. This book puts a lot of perspective on this religion and the American take on it. I'm currently reading a chapter on American views of Hijab, what the Hijab is for and how so many people have misinterpreted the Quran's message regarding dressing modestly.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 18, 2007, 02:45:23 AM
quran basically says dress boobs.  don't get caught up in all the poetry it has of explaining that.  it's a normal religion through and through.

and what exactly did you read about your african roots?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MCD on December 18, 2007, 02:48:54 AM
dress boobs? no, it's whole body + hair.

and poetry?  :lol
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 18, 2007, 02:55:42 AM
yeah, I could see somebody going to islam for the exact same rules in their religion plus the "way" they pray and the poetry in the prayer if they are looking for a religion.

In the original arabic (from 1400 years ago) the word for 'head' translates to 'breast' in modern arabic so muslims decided to take the more conservative meaning.  I need to check up on that source again but realistically, most muslims (at least in the west) aren't going to cover their hair.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 02:55:57 AM
[youtube=425,350]uEQvtdiyKiE[/youtube]

this is himu's fate
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MCD on December 18, 2007, 03:06:42 AM
Quote
In the original arabic (from 1400 years ago) the word for 'head' translates to 'breast' in modern arabic so muslims decided to take the more conservative meaning.  I need to check up on that source again but realistically, most muslims (at least in the west) aren't going to cover their hair.

Well, a lot of Muslims aren't taking their religion words to words, even in the east.

besides, The Quran isn't the only thing, you have the Prophet messages as well, and i am pretty sure you can find messages of him explaining the hijab business in simple words.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 03:12:57 AM
dress boobs? no, it's whole body + hair.

and poetry?  :lol

In the book I'm reading it says simply your arms and chest and also that it indicates this towards men AND women. It brings up the argument,"Why don't men wear Hijab?"

Also, people can say that the Hijab is supposed to make you not sexually attracted to the women so you can concentrate, but fuck man. This is BEAUTIFUL.

[youtube=425,350]WmeRG6WIoKQ[/youtube]

Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 03:15:54 AM
and what exactly did you read about your african roots?

She said that most slaves were taken from western African countries that now practice Islam, and that historians believe that 20-30% percent or more (possibly 60%) of the slaves taken from Africa were Muslim. I'm going to look into that.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 03:17:12 AM
yeah, no.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 03:18:31 AM
Yeah, I'm skeptical. I'm going to look into that.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 03:19:08 AM
I just realized that this could open up a whole new set of possibilities for HIMUMU COMIX
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 18, 2007, 03:22:44 AM
Who cares about cultural ties to religion?  If you truly believe in your God, then you would also believe that every living being was his creation. 
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MCD on December 18, 2007, 03:23:33 AM
why? now that's silly, men are men, they don't need to cover their hair.

and the real hijab is black, no colors so you won't get a hard on like what is happening now.

Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 18, 2007, 03:23:52 AM
Faith is all that matters; organized religions are for people who need validation
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 03:24:13 AM
Who cares about cultural ties to religion?  If you truly believe in your God, then you would also believe that every living being was his creation. 

It's just interesting, especially since I kinda..you know...know jack shit about my ancestors.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 03:26:13 AM
I know jack shit about my ancestors past my grandparents.  Nor do I particularly care.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 18, 2007, 03:27:03 AM
Who cares about cultural ties to religion?  If you truly believe in your God, then you would also believe that every living being was his creation. 

It's just interesting, especially since I kinda..you know...know jack shit about my ancestors.

You shouldn't join a religion just because your ancestors did so.  Religious faith and cultural history are two different things. 
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 03:27:44 AM
why would anyone care about their ancestors?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MCD on December 18, 2007, 03:29:53 AM
I know jack shit about my ancestors past my grandparents.  Nor do I particularly care.

Strange, you love history yet don't care about your own history? no offense meant, just curious
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 03:30:31 AM
my ancestors from Ireland were probably all potatoes and goat fuckers and my frenchie blood probably would have buckled under nazism.  And to think those were parts of civilized europe in the 17th to 19th centuries.  I'd probably be ashamed to know what any potential ancestors in afrika were doing back then.  It's probably best left to mystery, himumu.

I know jack shit about my ancestors past my grandparents.  Nor do I particularly care.

Strange, you love history yet don't care about your own history? no offense meant, just curious

Hmmm, I'm the first gen of my family that hasn't been po' working class.  Such things are like dominos, so it's a safe assumption that most of my ancestors in recorded history were also slaves to the man.  I know enough about general history, at least on one side of my family, to know that the history of my blood is likely not interesting.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 18, 2007, 03:31:06 AM
I dont care about my family history because MY FAMILY IS BORING
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 18, 2007, 03:33:53 AM
my ancestors from Ireland were probably all potatoes and goat fuckers and my frenchie blood probably would have buckled under nazism.  And to think those were parts of civilized europe in the 17th to 19th centuries.  I'd probably be ashamed to know what any potential ancestors in afrika were doing back then.  It's probably best left to mystery, himumu.

Your ancestors might have participated in the Crusades though.  Elitism and sexual deviances are both strong traits of the European nobility. 
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 03:37:20 AM
my ancestors from Ireland were probably all potatoes and goat fuckers and my frenchie blood probably would have buckled under nazism.  And to think those were parts of civilized europe in the 17th to 19th centuries.  I'd probably be ashamed to know what any potential ancestors in afrika were doing back then.  It's probably best left to mystery, himumu.

Your ancestors might have participated in the Crusades though.  Elitism and sexual deviances are both strong traits of the European nobility. 

Yeah, but the history of po' families is difficult to trace backwards more than a few hundred years, much less 1000.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 18, 2007, 03:38:30 AM
I just realized that this could open up a whole new set of possibilities for HIMUMU COMIX

we need to go find that old thread and add it to the classic archives
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 18, 2007, 03:39:35 AM
my ancestors from Ireland were probably all potatoes and goat fuckers and my frenchie blood probably would have buckled under nazism.  And to think those were parts of civilized europe in the 17th to 19th centuries.  I'd probably be ashamed to know what any potential ancestors in afrika were doing back then.  It's probably best left to mystery, himumu.

Your ancestors might have participated in the Crusades though.  Elitism and sexual deviances are both strong traits of the European nobility. 

Yeah, but the history of po' families is difficult to trace backwards more than a few hundred years, much less 1000.

Maybe your ancestors were crusade deserters? 
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2007, 03:40:56 AM
why would anyone care about their ancestors?

It's not hard to see why. Our ancestors for instance were brought here by force and stripped of their culture, language, everything. Personally I think it's important for African Americans to know where we came from. There's so much misinformation and total ignorance with respect to the history of Africa. While history books often speak of the great Roman and Greek empires, little time is spent discussing the African empires, or how Africa was the center of the world for a fuck long time - a place the great scholars like Aristotle and Socrates came to in order to learn from Egyptian and Ethiopian teachers
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Oblivion on December 18, 2007, 03:42:10 AM
why would anyone care about their ancestors?

A lot of people do cause of 'ethnic pride'. Personally, I always found that to be silly, because if we go back far enough, we'd come to realize that we come from the same group of people.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 03:43:54 AM
why would anyone care about their ancestors?

It's not hard to see why. Our ancestors for instance were brought here by force and stripped of their culture, language, everything. Personally I think it's important for African Americans to know where we came from. There's so much misinformation and total ignorance with respect to the history of Africa. While history books often speak of the great Roman and Greek empires, little time is spent discussing the African empires, or how Africa was the center of the world for a fuck long time - a place the great scholars like Aristotle and Socrates came to in order to learn from Egyptian and Ethiopian teachers

Maybe they should have spent less time being the great center of the world and more time learning how to document their history so we could know it today.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2007, 03:55:31 AM
why would anyone care about their ancestors?

It's not hard to see why. Our ancestors for instance were brought here by force and stripped of their culture, language, everything. Personally I think it's important for African Americans to know where we came from. There's so much misinformation and total ignorance with respect to the history of Africa. While history books often speak of the great Roman and Greek empires, little time is spent discussing the African empires, or how Africa was the center of the world for a fuck long time - a place the great scholars like Aristotle and Socrates came to in order to learn from Egyptian and Ethiopian teachers

Maybe they should have spent less time being the great center of the world and more time learning how to document their history so we could know it today.

Hard to do when your country is getting raped and entire libraries are burned to the ground during massive wars...

But still, there's lots of text/documents out there, just not enough recognition I guess
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 03:58:44 AM
Every city on the Mediterranean has been sacked multiple times, but we have plenty of history about the greeks, romans, and the middle east.  And heck, Egypt, too.  But I don't think you were talking about Egypt, were you?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2007, 04:00:58 AM
Well Egypt is in Africa...

Documents from Egypt, Mali, and Ethiopia remain, luckily, and other countries as well
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 04:03:13 AM
I figured you were talking about other parts of Africa, since the US's slaves most likely didn't come from Egypt.  And Egypt also kind of has like Honorary Middle East status.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2007, 04:12:45 AM
I figured you were talking about other parts of Africa, since the US's slaves most likely didn't come from Egypt.  And Egypt also kind of has like Honorary Middle East status.

With respect to slaves you're right: they mainly came from the borderline African countries. With Egypt I was just pointing out that years of wars resulted in the loss of many documents, such as the burning of the Library of Alexandria which was once the largest library/museum
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 04:22:50 AM
Big woop.  Rome burnt down AT LEAST 3 times in under 20 years during the first century AD.  The Romans lit their shit on fire all the fucking time, and we have detailed accounts on who was executed as being responsible for the flames.  Eat that Afrika.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: bagofeyes on December 18, 2007, 04:24:33 AM
Sankei newspaper ordered to compensate foreigner over Al Qaeda slur


The Sankei newspaper has been ordered by the Tokyo District Court to pay a foreigner 3.3 million yen in compensation for implying he was linked to Al Qaeda and plotting a terrorist attack.

The court found the paper had defamed 37-year-old company president Islam Mohamed Himu of Toda, Saitama Prefecture, and ordered it to compensate him.


http://mdn.mainichi.jp/national/news/20071211p2a00m0na027000c.html (http://mdn.mainichi.jp/national/news/20071211p2a00m0na027000c.html)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Vizzys on December 18, 2007, 04:26:04 AM
mods please change himuros name to Mohamed Himu
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 18, 2007, 05:10:40 AM
Well, a lot of Muslims aren't taking their religion words to words, even in the east.
besides, The Quran isn't the only thing, you have the Prophet messages as well, and i am pretty sure you can find messages of him explaining the hijab business in simple words.
right but I hate the idea of a convert spontaneously 'agreeing' with every damn thing about a religion.

*looks down a few posts*

what the fuck is wrong with you himu?  I blame a lot of my unattraction to ME girls on the fact that I never saw their cleavage ffs!

I'll just say this.  please all women show your boobs and make your boobies big.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MCD on December 18, 2007, 10:20:29 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 10:30:41 AM

what the fuck is wrong with you himu?  I blame a lot of my unattraction to ME girls on the fact that I never saw their cleavage ffs!

I'll just say this.  please all women show your boobs and make your boobies big.

What is wrong with that? I have a thing for women who respect themselves and when you wear Hijab it basically forces you - the male - to look at more than her tits and ass. I find it extremely attractive, plus, I have a thing for women who dress modestly than women who always show their tits.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: bagofeyes on December 18, 2007, 10:32:38 AM

what the fuck is wrong with you himu?  I blame a lot of my unattraction to ME girls on the fact that I never saw their cleavage ffs!

I'll just say this.  please all women show your boobs and make your boobies big.

What is wrong with that? I have a thing for women who respect themselves and when you wear Hijab it basically forces you - the male - to look at more than her tits and ass. I find it extremely attractive, plus, I have a thing for women who dress modestly than women who always show their tits.

You sound like a perverted salaryman
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2007, 10:34:07 AM

what the fuck is wrong with you himu?  I blame a lot of my unattraction to ME girls on the fact that I never saw their cleavage ffs!

I'll just say this.  please all women show your boobs and make your boobies big.

What is wrong with that? I have a thing for women who respect themselves and when you wear Hijab it basically forces you - the male - to look at more than her tits and ass. I find it extremely attractive, plus, I have a thing for women who dress modestly than women who always show their tits.
I think that's more of a self control issue that you'll outgrow

but good job on seeing the difference! :D
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 10:35:03 AM
I don't know why the white people in this thread are all going "why would you want to learn your history?" which is a stupid question if you ask me. Even TVC, who apparently has taken his hsitory for granted, knows he's Irish. I don't even know one thing about my ancestors except that they were black, not even what country they're from.

Sometimes people would like to know more than what color their ancestors were since they see them as individuals who could have possibly did interesting things. Finding out they could possibly be Muslim is just interesting because I found an extra link that connects us.

I refuse at acknowledge the basis of my history as slavery. Fuck you.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2007, 10:36:33 AM
my ancestors were mostly killing buffalo and scalping white men :(  savages
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 10:37:23 AM
I have Cherokee blood myself. *beats chest*
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2007, 10:38:19 AM
I have Cherokee blood myself. *beats chest*
well i have that and then I have South American/Central American Indian blood.  They were some crazy fucks.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 10:39:58 AM
lol

No wonder you have that wild frizzy hair. That's obviously a Cherokee indian trait. I'm hairy as fuck.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: bagofeyes on December 18, 2007, 10:40:16 AM
I've got Kentucky blood in me. And my Kentucky cousins sent me a shirt for Christmas that says 'Kentucky - bluegrass state.' And it's way too big.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Powerslave on December 18, 2007, 11:38:15 AM
From what I understood, it seems to me that Himuro is just unhappy with his current life/belief and is looking for a piece of mind. If he's attracted to islam, why bother 'convincing' him that religion is not the way to go? Some of you guys try way too hard. Just let the man be and explore things on his own before enforcing your superior atheist opinion upon him.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 11:39:24 AM
Powerslave aka my number one online buddy
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 18, 2007, 11:39:54 AM
he's unhappy because he walks through drive thrus in the middle of the night. There's some ISSUES at play here that dont have anything to do with organized religion
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: bagofeyes on December 18, 2007, 11:41:07 AM
He's old enough to make his own decisions, isn't he? What's wrong with checking it out if he has an interest in it?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 11:42:43 AM
he's unhappy because he walks through drive thrus in the middle of the night. There's some ISSUES at play here that dont have anything to do with organized religion

 :lol
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2007, 11:49:14 AM
I refuse at acknowledge the basis of my history as slavery. Fuck you.

QFMFT



Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2007, 12:18:25 PM
I refuse at acknowledge the basis of my history as slavery. Fuck you.

QFMFT

Im renting a big ship as we speak  >:(
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 12:47:17 PM
Does Himumu X go to Minnesota?

http://digg.com/educational/Muslims_take_over_meditation_room_at_a_Minnesota_college (http://digg.com/educational/Muslims_take_over_meditation_room_at_a_Minnesota_college)

Muslims take over "meditation room" at a Minnesota college

The room is now split into male and female sections, and features arrows pointing to Mecca, literature describing proper behavior for women ("They should cover their faces and stay at home... [their speech should not] be such that it is heard") and for all Muslims ("the Jews and the Christians" are described as "the enemies of Allaah's religion.")
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 01:10:09 PM
From what I understood, it seems to me that Himuro is just unhappy with his current life/belief and is looking for a piece of mind. If he's attracted to islam, why bother 'convincing' him that religion is not the way to go? Some of you guys try way too hard. Just let the man be and explore things on his own before enforcing your superior atheist opinion upon him.

In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me.  So it goes and all of that.  I just looked at it as a sort of personal duty to try to get him to look at other options rather than have him settle on the first thing he looked at.  Was it not I that mentioned Bahai and eastern religions?  You're being dishonest if you say that I tried only to foist atheism on him; on the contrary, I emphasized the importance of searching good and deeply, so please do not try and paint me any other way.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 01:15:23 PM
I don't know why the white people in this thread are all going "why would you want to learn your history?" which is a stupid question if you ask me. Even TVC, who apparently has taken his hsitory for granted, knows he's Irish. I don't even know one thing about my ancestors except that they were black, not even what country they're from.

Sometimes people would like to know more than what color their ancestors were since they see them as individuals who could have possibly did interesting things. Finding out they could possibly be Muslim is just interesting because I found an extra link that connects us.

I refuse at acknowledge the basis of my history as slavery. Fuck you.

i don't care if my ancestors were slaves, or if they were kings, or farmers, or merchants. i simply don't fuckin' care what they did, because they are FUCKING DEAD and my identity is defined 100% by me me me me me me. i have no such gaping void in my sense of identity that i need to fill it with a contrived sense of genealogical history, which means fuckall in these modern times. it MIGHT matter if i could stand to inherit something, or if identification with something in the past conferred benefits upon me in the modern age, but since it doesn't: WTF. why would i waste my time -- i've got a life in the PRESENT to sort out!
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 01:19:08 PM

i don't care if my ancestors were slaves, or if they were kings, or farmers, or merchants. i simply don't fuckin' care what they did, because they are FUCKING DEAD and my identity is defined 100% by society society society society society society.

Fixed for 100% drinky accuracy.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 01:20:01 PM
identity != freedoms, dipshit.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 01:24:31 PM
identity != freedoms, dipshit.

b-b-b-but we are not in a vacuum!!!
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 01:25:05 PM
From what I understood, it seems to me that Himuro is just unhappy with his current life/belief and is looking for a piece of mind. If he's attracted to islam, why bother 'convincing' him that religion is not the way to go? Some of you guys try way too hard. Just let the man be and explore things on his own before enforcing your superior atheist opinion upon him.

In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me.  So it goes and all of that.  I just looked at it as a sort of personal duty to try to get him to look at other options rather than have him settle on the first thing he looked at.  Was it not I that mentioned Bahai and eastern religions?  You're being dishonest if you say that I tried only to foist atheism on him; on the contrary, I emphasized the importance of searching good and deeply, so please do not try and paint me any other way.

I can tell you this right now I know that the eastern religions do nothing for me. However, it's true I don't know much about Bahai. In fact, I just recently learned about it.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Powerslave on December 18, 2007, 01:32:21 PM
Quote from: TVC 15
In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me.  So it goes and all of that.  I just looked at it as a sort of personal duty to try to get him to look at other options rather than have him settle on the first thing he looked at.  Was it not I that mentioned Bahai and eastern religions?  You're being dishonest if you say that I tried only to foist atheism on him; on the contrary, I emphasized the importance of searching good and deeply, so please do not try and paint me any other way.

I didn't single you out.

Also I'm gonna give the worst analogy ever and don't know if it will fit in with this but w/e.

Let's say I like Heavy Metal and want to explore the genre further, and because I am already somewhat familiar with the genre I want to try Black Metal (ist krieg). Then some jackass comes in and says "NO why black metal? Why not try jazzmusic or big band?".
This wouldn't make much sense since it would be something I must completely start at the beginning with again, and doesn't have much connection to my current taste.

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lulz, I hope this doesn't sound stupid
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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2007, 01:35:55 PM
I don't know why the white people in this thread are all going "why would you want to learn your history?" which is a stupid question if you ask me. Even TVC, who apparently has taken his hsitory for granted, knows he's Irish. I don't even know one thing about my ancestors except that they were black, not even what country they're from.

Sometimes people would like to know more than what color their ancestors were since they see them as individuals who could have possibly did interesting things. Finding out they could possibly be Muslim is just interesting because I found an extra link that connects us.

I refuse at acknowledge the basis of my history as slavery. Fuck you.

i don't care if my ancestors were slaves, or if they were kings, or farmers, or merchants. i simply don't fuckin' care what they did, because they are FUCKING DEAD and my identity is defined 100% by me me me me me me. i have no such gaping void in my sense of identity that i need to fill it with a contrived sense of genealogical history, which means fuckall in these modern times. it MIGHT matter if i could stand to inherit something, or if identification with something in the past conferred benefits upon me in the modern age, but since it doesn't: WTF. why would i waste my time -- i've got a life in the PRESENT to sort out!
proof that once again, i should be fucking and dating prole
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2007, 01:38:35 PM
From what I understood, it seems to me that Himuro is just unhappy with his current life/belief and is looking for a piece of mind. If he's attracted to islam, why bother 'convincing' him that religion is not the way to go? Some of you guys try way too hard. Just let the man be and explore things on his own before enforcing your superior atheist opinion upon him.

In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me.  So it goes and all of that.  I just looked at it as a sort of personal duty to try to get him to look at other options rather than have him settle on the first thing he looked at.  Was it not I that mentioned Bahai and eastern religions?  You're being dishonest if you say that I tried only to foist atheism on him; on the contrary, I emphasized the importance of searching good and deeply, so please do not try and paint me any other way.

I can tell you this right now I know that the eastern religions do nothing for me. However, it's true I don't know much about Bahai. In fact, I just recently learned about it.

Maybe when your muslim contract expires you can sign with Bahai; I hear there's a hefty signing bonus, and you'll definitely be a star
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Tauntaun on December 18, 2007, 01:38:38 PM
Quote from: TVC 15
In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me.  So it goes and all of that.  I just looked at it as a sort of personal duty to try to get him to look at other options rather than have him settle on the first thing he looked at.  Was it not I that mentioned Bahai and eastern religions?  You're being dishonest if you say that I tried only to foist atheism on him; on the contrary, I emphasized the importance of searching good and deeply, so please do not try and paint me any other way.

I didn't single you out.

Also I'm gonna give the worst analogy ever and don't know if it will fit in with this but w/e.

Let's say I like Heavy Metal and want to explore the genre further, and because I am already somewhat familiar with the genre I want to try Black Metal (ist krieg). Then some jackass comes in and says "NO why black metal? Why not try jazzmusic or big band?".
This wouldn't make much sense since it would be something I must completely start at the beginning with again, and doesn't have much connection to my current taste.

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lulz, I hope this doesn't sound stupid
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Well, black metalz sucks donkey dick balls so I'd say your friend was a good one.  ;)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 01:41:30 PM
From what I understood, it seems to me that Himuro is just unhappy with his current life/belief and is looking for a piece of mind. If he's attracted to islam, why bother 'convincing' him that religion is not the way to go? Some of you guys try way too hard. Just let the man be and explore things on his own before enforcing your superior atheist opinion upon him.

In the end, it doesn't matter a whole lot to me.  So it goes and all of that.  I just looked at it as a sort of personal duty to try to get him to look at other options rather than have him settle on the first thing he looked at.  Was it not I that mentioned Bahai and eastern religions?  You're being dishonest if you say that I tried only to foist atheism on him; on the contrary, I emphasized the importance of searching good and deeply, so please do not try and paint me any other way.

I can tell you this right now I know that the eastern religions do nothing for me. However, it's true I don't know much about Bahai. In fact, I just recently learned about it.

Maybe when your muslim contract expires you can sign with Bahai; I hear there's a hefty signing bonus, and you'll definitely be a star

Don't joke about Muslim contracts and the like. I haven't even become a Muslim.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Powerslave on December 18, 2007, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Tauntaun
Well, black metalz sucks donkey dick balls so I'd say your friend was a good one.  ;)

yeah black metal sucks ass

but I think its a somewhat good analogy
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 01:51:29 PM
identity != freedoms, dipshit.

b-b-b-but we are not in a vacuum!!!

i'm pretty sure you don't know how to read for comprehension, hick.

but, since i've apparently taken on your education: my sense of identity does not correlate with my ability to act within society. you do the math.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 01:53:46 PM
Above all things, I only bow before one master. . .

(http://www.theorycards.org.uk/card03.gif)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 01:55:34 PM
i'm still partial to david hume
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 01:57:33 PM
I like Hume, but so many greats came after him, with more interesting ideas.

I like Jung's Special Skill:

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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 02:02:55 PM
lmao @ jung's weakness and special skills
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 02:05:52 PM
Lacan also has teh lol

(http://www.theorycards.org.uk/card17.gif)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 18, 2007, 02:06:28 PM
Does Himumu X go to Minnesota?

http://digg.com/educational/Muslims_take_over_meditation_room_at_a_Minnesota_college (http://digg.com/educational/Muslims_take_over_meditation_room_at_a_Minnesota_college)

Muslims take over "meditation room" at a Minnesota college

The room is now split into male and female sections, and features arrows pointing to Mecca, literature describing proper behavior for women ("They should cover their faces and stay at home... [their speech should not] be such that it is heard") and for all Muslims ("the Jews and the Christians" are described as "the enemies of Allaah's religion.")
right on that page dumbshit:
Quote
"[T]he Jews and the Christians" are described as "the enemies of Allaah's religion." The document adds: "Remember that you will never succeed while you follow these people."

This was either made up by the writer (who doesn't even know how to spell ISLAM) or by some pissed of extremist because the Quran teaches the opposite. It teaches to respect other religions.

I am a muslim and if someone offered me ANY pork products, which, by the way happens quite a bit with co-workers and friends I would just say "no thanks". It wouldn't even offend me a bit. I would probably laugh at someone trying to use a bacon strip to teach me a lesson.

like I said, before you talk about islam again, talk to a mullah.  ask what islam teaches.  then you won't have ignorant views on anything.  or at least you'll know for sure you're ignorant.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 02:09:16 PM
I suggest FoC read this book:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418NNE861YL._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)

It confronts many Muslim stereotypes and tells what Muslims believe. It's pretty short too. I'm half way through in about 2 days.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2007, 02:13:19 PM
I suggest FoC read this book:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418NNE861YL._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)

It confronts many Muslim stereotypes and tells what Muslims believe. It's pretty short too. I'm half way through in about 2 days.

Bigots don't read material that contradicts their world-view, don't waste your time
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 18, 2007, 02:21:41 PM
I think he might have some sort of dyslexia or something because he really doesn't get the sorts of things he reads according to...well pretty much any thread he's posted in.

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plus he's a closed-minded bigot.  As Nick Naylor says, he makes and "argument not a negotiation".
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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Barry Egan on December 18, 2007, 02:39:22 PM
Above all things, I only bow before one master. . .

(http://www.theorycards.org.uk/card03.gif)

 :bow :bow :bow :bow

Have you read the History of Sexuality?  Changed my life, but I haven't gotten around to reading his other works.  What would you recommend?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 02:41:24 PM
I suggest FoC read this book:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418NNE861YL._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)

It confronts many Muslim stereotypes and tells what Muslims believe. It's pretty short too. I'm half way through in about 2 days.

Send it to me when you are done and I promise to read it.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 02:42:24 PM

Bigots don't read material that contradicts their world-view, don't waste your time

Good thing im not a bigot, or close minded.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 03:00:44 PM
i have not read any foucault, sadly. someone loan me one of his books!
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 03:01:31 PM
i have not read any foucault, sadly. someone loan me one of his books!

can we have an evilbore book exchange?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2007, 03:15:45 PM
i have not read any foucault, sadly. someone loan me one of his books!

can we have an evilbore book exchange?

if we do, there will be no ayn rand allowed, because we are not alienated teenagers
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 03:20:25 PM
i have not read any foucault, sadly. someone loan me one of his books!

can we have an evilbore book exchange?

if we do, there will be no ayn rand allowed, because we are not alienated teenagers

Make it happen. I promise no Ayn rand. And I promise to read the muslim book first.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2007, 03:23:53 PM
I'll send FoC my copy of The Noosphere vs The Blogosphere: Is the Devil in Your Labtop? by Lyndon Lacouche

(http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pictures/2dfaa838d1e9ef090cdfad64b76e788b/article.jpg)
:bow
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2007, 03:35:07 PM
I suggest FoC read this book:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/418NNE861YL._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)

It confronts many Muslim stereotypes and tells what Muslims believe. It's pretty short too. I'm half way through in about 2 days.

Send it to me when you are done and I promise to read it.

sure thing
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on December 18, 2007, 04:56:27 PM
Above all things, I only bow before one master. . .

(http://www.theorycards.org.uk/card03.gif)

 :bow :bow :bow :bow

Have you read the History of Sexuality?  Changed my life, but I haven't gotten around to reading his other works.  What would you recommend?
Discipline & Punish is (my opinion) his best book as it is probably the least purely theoretical and most practical of all his books.  At least as practical as Foucault can be.  

I go with either Discipline and Punish or Madness and Civilization.  I think the first volume of A History of Sexuality is probably the best introduction to Foucault, but I think he was operating on a subjective level for too many parts of it, making it kind of not useful. I think Discipline and Punish is the most interesting, Madness and Civilization is the best distillation of his important ideas (and pretty interesting).  Birth of the Clinic is a sorta follow-up to Madness and Civilization and it is also good in a more of the same way, although I guess it is more concerned with spelling out his methodology than Madness and Civilization, which was more like an example of his methodology.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2007, 05:00:53 PM
(http://www.nrbookservice.com/bookimages/21/c6621_full.jpg)
:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 05:01:37 PM
(http://www.nrbookservice.com/bookimages/21/c6621_full.jpg)
:bow :bow :bow

Do you read Michael Savage?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2007, 05:02:52 PM
Yes.  I love Michael Savage
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 05:04:41 PM
Yes.  I love Michael Savage

Serious?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 18, 2007, 05:05:11 PM
Are you conservative?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2007, 05:13:09 PM
Yes.  While I disagree some of his rhetoric.  I think he has generally the right idea regarding a lot of things.  He's just a little crazy and outlandish and takes it to the extreme sometimes.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 18, 2007, 07:55:49 PM
Above all things, I only bow before one master. . .

(http://www.theorycards.org.uk/card03.gif)

 :bow :bow :bow :bow

Have you read the History of Sexuality?  Changed my life, but I haven't gotten around to reading his other works.  What would you recommend?
:duh :duh :duh :duh :duh :duh ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :duh :duh :duh :duh
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 18, 2007, 09:38:09 PM
I saw this on SA
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Barry Egan on December 18, 2007, 11:56:11 PM
Above all things, I only bow before one master. . .

(http://www.theorycards.org.uk/card03.gif)

 :bow :bow :bow :bow

Have you read the History of Sexuality?  Changed my life, but I haven't gotten around to reading his other works.  What would you recommend?
:duh :duh :duh :duh :duh :duh ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :duh :duh :duh :duh

 :punch :punch :punch Foucault is undeniable  :hump :gun :wag
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 01:50:07 PM
Himumu X, did they hand out this DVD to all the kids at the Mosque?


Young girl sings about suicide bombing

http://www.msnbc.msn.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com)
scroll down on msnbc


British children targeted with terror sing-along DVD for would-be suicide bombers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=503195&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=503195&in_page_id=1770)


 :maf
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2007, 01:57:00 PM
Fun fact: it's not exactly funny to attribute all Muslims to being terrorists and it is pretty goddamn annoying. I don't think it's funny at all.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 02:00:11 PM
There is nothing funny to kids singing along to suicde bombing.


 :maf
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
There's nothing funny about acting like all Muslims support this either. So what does the mosque I went to have to do with any of this?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Tauntaun on December 19, 2007, 02:02:53 PM
I knew this was going to happen when FOC entered this thread.  Speak in love nicca.  :maf  Love>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hate.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Hollywood on December 19, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
Do you like ham or bacon? If so, Muslims don't eat it, so that should be enough to sway you from the religion. Plus the whole point towards a city thing and pray 5 times a day - a little exaggerated don't you think? And you're going to have to find a new name - and all the good stuff is taken. You're going to end up with something like Mujahhad Flouride Aggas or something. May as well strap a saddle to your back and prepare for the Derby with the name you're going to have.

Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 03:15:22 PM
He has a new name. It's Himumu animumu Mohammad X
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2007, 03:28:55 PM
Do you like ham or bacon? If so, Muslims don't eat it, so that should be enough to sway you from the religion. Plus the whole point towards a city thing and pray 5 times a day - a little exaggerated don't you think? And you're going to have to find a new name - and all the good stuff is taken. You're going to end up with something like Mujahhad Flouride Aggas or something. May as well strap a saddle to your back and prepare for the Derby with the name you're going to have.



Having a new name is not required.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2007, 03:51:19 PM
I knew this was going to happen when FOC entered this thread.  Speak in love nicca.  :maf  Love>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hate.
:lol
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 19, 2007, 04:26:13 PM
given his posts in this thread, it's funny that FoC still denies he's racist
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 04:29:13 PM
given his posts in this thread, it's funny that FoC still denies he's racist

Yes yes, Im a racist because I linked to a news article about Terrorist sing alongs for muslim kids.   ::)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 19, 2007, 04:42:36 PM
...yeah, that makes you a racist.  I don't get the joke.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2007, 04:45:07 PM
I don't think he's racist. If anything he's severely prejudiced with respect to Islam and its followers, and middle eastern people. There are more than a few documented instances of him generalizing and making ignorant comments about Muslims
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 04:45:51 PM
I am fairly ignorant about islam. Himuro is gonna send me that book when he is done.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2007, 04:50:35 PM
Another fun fact: not all Muslims are from the middle east.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 19, 2007, 04:54:39 PM
he might not show all out hate on the internet but he only posts stories about radicals.  it's obvious he's racist.  his idiotic mind might have decided to tone back what he says online after he got banned on gaf for saying "I don't give a shit about muslims".
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 04:55:55 PM
he might not show all out hate on the internet but he only posts stories about radicals.  it's obvious he's racist.  his idiotic mind might have decided to tone back what he says online after he got banned on gaf for saying "I don't give a shit about muslims".

99% of GAF says "I dont give a shit about christians" on a daily basis. How is that any different.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 19, 2007, 05:00:56 PM
show me one post you dumb fuck.

I've read a couple of the religion threads there, they usually just say that faith is a stupid convention and the worst thing I've heard about christianity is that believing in a virgin birth is stupid or that god had a son.

if he can't show a post saying "I dont give a shit about christians" then the mods should make that his handle.  he seems stupid enough to say that if he was born in another part of the world.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:01:36 PM
I hevent been to GAF in over a year. When I was there, there was a huge double standard with religion.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Gay Boy on December 19, 2007, 05:02:36 PM
I hevent been to GAF in over a year. When I was there, there was a huge double standard with religion.
not one said "I dont give a shit about christians"

I did a search for it just now, you dug yourself a deep hole.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:03:33 PM
Dude, what about that thread where someone was having a shitty day and he said "Why does this happen to me, Im a good christian" and then it turned into a 20 page thread of GAF mocking him for that comment.

Dont act like GAF is some kind of fair community for religion.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Gay Boy on December 19, 2007, 05:05:38 PM
Dude, what about that thread where someone was having a shitty day and he said "Why does this happen to me, Im a good christian" and then it turned into a 20 page thread of GAF mocking him for that comment.

Dont act like GAF is some kind of fair community for religion.
no one said they didn't give a shit about every member of the religion. You took religion bashing into full on prejudice.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:06:18 PM
Dude, what about that thread where someone was having a shitty day and he said "Why does this happen to me, Im a good christian" and then it turned into a 20 page thread of GAF mocking him for that comment.

Dont act like GAF is some kind of fair community for religion.
no one said they didn't give a shit about every member of the religion. You took religion bashing into full on prejudice.

 ::) Please. saying that I dont care about a group of people IS NOT religion bashing.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:07:22 PM
Gay boy, do you care about libertarians?


OMG OH MY GOG OMG WTFBBQ You hate people! Someone call the PC-Police Gay boy isnt not being politically correct. He needs re-education.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 19, 2007, 05:08:32 PM
they don't like religion but I know they never said stuff as bad as what you said.  the only threads you post on islam are about radicals.  it's obvious you never researched it.  if you don't research it, getting sent a fucking book won't convince you.

::) Please. saying that I dont care about a group of people IS NOT religion bashing.
holy shit, you are the most distinguished mentally-challenged thing ever.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Gay Boy on December 19, 2007, 05:08:42 PM
yes because comparing the biggest religion in the world to a small right-wing fringe political party makes lots of sense.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:09:44 PM

::) Please. saying that I dont care about a group of people IS NOT religion bashing.
holy shit, you are the most distinguished mentally-challenged thing ever.

Please tell me how its religion bashing.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:10:37 PM
yes because comparing the biggest religion in the world to a small right-wing fringe political party makes lots of sense.

You hate a group of people! Why are you such a hgater gay boy? Why cant you accept my lifestyle choice?

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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:14:09 PM
I owned all of you.  :lol
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 19, 2007, 05:16:57 PM
Please tell me how its religion bashing.
I'm not saying you hate all religions you shit-dicked moron.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Gay Boy on December 19, 2007, 05:17:06 PM
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Christianity is bigger.  :lolspoiler]
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Uh..no. I could swear muslims were?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:17:40 PM
Please tell me how its religion bashing.
I'm not saying you hate all religions you shit-dicked moron.

Please tell me how the phrase "I dont care about X" Is X bashing.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 19, 2007, 05:18:30 PM
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Christianity is bigger.  :lolspoiler]
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Uh..no.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Worldwide_percentage_of_Adherents_by_Religion.png)

edit
2.3% Atheists... Coincidently, that is the percentage of the population with an IQ over 130.   :spin
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:18:37 PM
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Christianity is bigger.  :lolspoiler]
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Uh..no. I could swear muslims were?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/60/Worldwide_percentage_of_Adherents_by_Religion.png/800px-Worldwide_percentage_of_Adherents_by_Religion.png)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Gay Boy on December 19, 2007, 05:18:52 PM
Please tell me how its religion bashing.
I'm not saying you hate all religions you shit-dicked moron.

Please tell me how the phrase "I dont care about X" Is X bashing.
you didnt say you didnt care. You said "I dont give a shit". Thats negative.

And yeah you are right about size.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:19:20 PM
Please tell me how its religion bashing.
I'm not saying you hate all religions you shit-dicked moron.

Please tell me how the phrase "I dont care about X" Is X bashing.
you didnt say you didnt care. You said "I dont give a shit". Thats negative.

I dont give a shit means I dont care. What language do you speak?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on December 19, 2007, 05:23:20 PM
so you start a thread about religion on gaf and you say that you don't "give a shit" about X religion and that just means you don't care.  wow, you are once again validating your distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Gay Boy on December 19, 2007, 05:24:09 PM
Yeah no difference at all. When at a grocery store and they say paper or plastic its perfectly accectable to say "I dont give a shit" instead of I don't care. I mean, they mean the same thing!

I don't give a shit IMPLIES negativity and anger.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 19, 2007, 05:24:31 PM
Another fun fact: not all Muslims are from the middle east.
yeah some are from Houston!
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2007, 05:25:49 PM
You know, I thought we were doing fine in this thread. There was no Muslim bashing or radical Muslim posts in this thread until, for some reason, FoC thought it was justifiable to post that news in my thread which is entirely unrelated.

Get this shit out of my thread you cunt faces.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:28:05 PM
so you start a thread about religion on gaf and you say that you don't "give a shit" about X religion and that just means you don't care.  wow, you are once again validating your distinguished mentally-challenged.

I didnt start a thread on GAF saying that I dont give a shit about muslims. lol
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Gay Boy on December 19, 2007, 05:29:08 PM
You know, I thought we were doing fine in this thread. There was no Muslim bashing or radical Muslim posts in this thread until, for some reason, FoC thought it was justifiable to post that news in my thread which is entirely unrelated.

Get this shit out of my thread you cunt faces.
There hasn't been a topic FoC has posted in that hasn't gone to the shitter.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 19, 2007, 05:29:55 PM
i like the fact that himuro will still make out with an infidel like me
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2007, 05:32:32 PM
I'll make out with you any time.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:33:00 PM
i like the fact that himuro will still make out with an infidel like me

Does he still let you drive?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Mupepe on December 19, 2007, 05:35:59 PM
i like the fact that himuro will still make out with an infidel like me

Does he still let you drive?
Just because he converted doesn't make him any more of a man.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2007, 05:39:09 PM
i like the fact that himuro will still make out with an infidel like me

Does he still let you drive?

America != Islamic countries

And I have not converted
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 19, 2007, 05:59:43 PM
At least you can make it into next years UNICEF photo of the year.

http://www.unicef.de/foto/2007/english/index.htm (http://www.unicef.de/foto/2007/english/index.htm)

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(http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1048831,00.jpg)

American photographer Stephanie Sinclair is the winner of the international photo competition “UNICEF Photo of the Year”. Her photo shows a wedding couple in Afghanistan who could not be more opposite. The groom, Mohammed, looks much older than his 40 years. The bride, Ghulam, is still a child; she just turned 11
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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Powerslave on December 19, 2007, 06:02:15 PM
I owned all of you.  :lol

lmao
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on January 26, 2008, 04:31:30 PM
I'm getting really depressed. I'm looking for mosque's in my area of Florida and I'm having no success at all. :( This is really making me sad. :(

On top of that I see no muslims around here.   :(

I'm waiting on my Qur'an to arrive here so I can read it.  :(
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2008, 04:38:24 PM
Do you go up to random people of middle eastern descent and ask if they're Muslims?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on January 26, 2008, 04:42:53 PM
I dunno. I can actually usually tell.

Plus, there's no women muslims around that's for sure. One of the best things about hajib is that it tells you the woman is muslim, so you can confront her if necessary. Nope. No hajib here!
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2008, 04:44:40 PM
Explosives are hard to miss
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on January 26, 2008, 04:49:34 PM
A woman who would fuck you is expensive too!
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2008, 04:55:38 PM
It's not my fault you're the only member of the "lil nicca group." Me and Beezy are handsome chocolate, no homo
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on January 26, 2008, 05:03:51 PM
What?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: MCD on January 26, 2008, 05:05:48 PM
I dunno. I can actually usually tell.

Plus, there's no women muslims around that's for sure. One of the best things about hajib is that it tells you the woman is muslim, so you can confront her if necessary. Nope. No hajib here!
a lot of Muslim women don't wear hijab, mostly young women.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on January 26, 2008, 05:18:04 PM
i know but still. it's a good reference
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Powerslave on January 26, 2008, 05:44:39 PM
Here you generalizing muslim chicks, not a good start ::)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on January 26, 2008, 07:08:29 PM
I wasn't generalizing. It's true though. It's always reassuring seeing a woman wearing a hajib.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on January 27, 2008, 06:11:30 AM
I wasn't generalizing. It's true though. It's always reassuring seeing a woman wearing a hajib.
do you often ask women in hijab questions or is this some weird-ass fetish you got?
Himuro, why not join Buddhism? Bettering yourself>Worshiping mythological beings, or if you really want to believe in mythological beings, why not Zeus, and the greek gods? Zeus>>>>>>>>>All other monotheistic gods, he fucked like a dozen goddess' for crying out loud, can Allah say the same?
I honestly don't think most people believe in a religion to better themselves.  Devout people may cause problems for themselves which they then in turn have to better and that's usually not something that happens with a person considering conversion.  I think you're way over-thinking this.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on January 27, 2008, 12:18:59 PM
I wasn't generalizing. It's true though. It's always reassuring seeing a woman wearing a hajib.
do you often ask women in hijab questions or is this some weird-ass fetish you got?

No. It's just that if there's a woman with a hajib, that typically means she is muslim, meaning I can ask her for guidance when looking for a local mosque.

And sorry. I only believe in one god.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2008, 01:52:56 PM
Are you sure?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on January 27, 2008, 01:56:37 PM
Sure of wha?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 04:44:12 AM
Why Islam

[youtube=425,350]p2Clk5lNUdQ[/youtube]

Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2008, 04:49:36 AM
Islam is a religion of Intelligent Design?!
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: drew on February 01, 2008, 04:56:28 AM
Still doesn't sell me on religion.  I guess some people just need some source of guidance in their life.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on February 01, 2008, 05:05:40 AM
Why Islam

[youtube=425,350]p2Clk5lNUdQ[/youtube]



Sorry, Habib, leave the fancy editing to Godard.  I couldn't watch a minute of this garbage.  Muslim is the religion of shitty cut editing.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2008, 08:45:12 AM
himuro, i just saw your new avatar and forgive my being presumptuous, but i just want to make absolutely certain you're aware that Black Islam and Islam are not the same thing
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 09:12:22 AM
I'm sure you realize Malcolm* left the NOI


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* we're on first name basis
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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 09:55:58 AM
himuro, i just saw your new avatar and forgive my being presumptuous, but i just want to make absolutely certain you're aware that Black Islam and Islam are not the same thing

hahahaha

hahahahhahaha

Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2008, 10:04:18 AM
ok, so i don't get forgiven for being presumptuous


ah, my memory JUST got jogged by that

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113699

my bad!
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on February 01, 2008, 11:31:11 AM
for whether mohammed ali was a NOI member, I think he was but then they kicked him out for some reason and he stopped believing in their form of islam.

I have never met an NOI member (seen one guy on a street corner preaching wearing a bowtie while holding a newspaper in Oakland though).  I've seen a lot of normal muslims though, I doubt they sympathize with the NOI beliefs because they usually marry outside of their race and just don't seem insane.

Is NOI seriously big enough to consider a religion (instead of a cult) today?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 11:31:55 AM
oh man every time i read that part in the autobiography i am laughing so hard
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 11:36:59 AM
for whether mohammed ali was a NOI member, I think he was but then they kicked him out for some reason and he stopped believing in their form of islam.

I have never met an NOI member (seen one guy on a street corner preaching wearing a bowtie while holding a newspaper in Oakland though).  I've seen a lot of normal muslims though, I doubt they sympathize with the NOI beliefs because they usually marry outside of their race and just don't seem insane.

Is NOI seriously big enough to consider a religion (instead of a cult) today?

No, Ali and pretty much anyone close to Malcolm left after he was assassinated. After Malcolm was murdered he looked out orthodox Islam.

NOI now accepts white members and stuff like that. It's very very niche. Elijah Muhammod's son Warith was made leader when he died, and he pretty much killed off NOI because he didn't believe in their pro-black principles and formed an orthodox Sunni Muslim organization. In the 1980's Farrakhan, a member of the NOI revived it. It is not less extreme but it still serves the black community.

In some ways they act as patrol. The neighborhood buys them out, and the NOI literally cleans up the block. Drug dealers are scared of them and don't mess with them. They decide to take their dealing somewhere else.

While the NOI is extremist in nature, and assassinated one of my heroes, I still respect them for what they have done for the black community and they pretty much prove that it is possible for the people of my race to come together and prove they're not nappy headed distinguished black fellows.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 01, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
Have you gotten your black belt in Islam yet?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 01, 2008, 03:32:37 PM
Be sure to use mentally distinguished mentally-challenged woman to maximize your effort.  :maf :maf
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 03:39:54 PM
I'd fucking ban FoC - and I never call for the ban of people. jeez
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on February 01, 2008, 03:42:05 PM
FoC, have you ever talked to a muslim with radical beliefs?  Have you even talked talked to a normal muslim about their beliefs?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 03:45:02 PM
Sigh. No, FoC. I'm reading through the Qur'an right now and I find it an enlightening experience.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 03:46:02 PM
Have you been looking for a good woman to settle down with now? Remember she's gotta be half your age, plus seven
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 03:46:38 PM
Haha. No, not really.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on February 01, 2008, 03:52:03 PM
Have you been looking for a good woman to settle down with now? Remember she's gotta be half your age, plus seven
..where did you get that from?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 03:52:32 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 01, 2008, 04:03:56 PM
What has the Qu'ran  taught you?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2008, 04:06:22 PM
I thought it was (n * your age) + 7
where n ranges from 0 to 1/2
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 04:17:59 PM
What has the Qu'ran  taught you?

So far? That Islam only worships one God and doesn't stretch their belief to three while saying they worship one God. And that in Islam you have the right to fight back if someone starts a fight against you.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 01, 2008, 04:25:22 PM
Sounds life changing. I know so many people that worship three gods.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 04:35:30 PM
Aren't you Christian?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 01, 2008, 04:36:42 PM
WTF Hell no.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 04:50:14 PM
Himu: why do you even respond to him? It's not even worth it. Every few weeks a story like this is posted her, FoC starts putting generalizations and ignorance out his ass, EB throws a bitch fest, and the thread page count increases.

I'm not responding to his bullshit anymore, and I'd suggest everyone else do the same. If he wants to talk about his irrelevant presidential pick that's fine, but I'm not stroking his prejudiced ego anymore
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 04:52:29 PM
I do it because I'm dum i guess
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 01, 2008, 05:13:58 PM
Himu: why do you even respond to him? It's not even worth it. Every few weeks a story like this is posted her,

Hmm, yes. How outragous of me to make such  claim every few weeks a suicde mob happens. I must be overlooking all the suicide bombings done in the US by non muslims.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 05:16:39 PM
Himu: why do you even respond to him? It's not even worth it. Every few weeks a story like this is posted her,

Hmm, yes. How outragous of me to make such  claim every few weeks a suicde mob happens. I must be overlooking all the suicide bombings done in the US by non muslims.

Or the suicide bombings done in the US by all 5-8 million Muslims in America.

Oh wait.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 01, 2008, 05:18:40 PM
What? You completely missed the point of how suicide bombings dont take place in america. because we dont tolerate extremist Muslims.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 05:19:14 PM
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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 05:40:43 PM
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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2008, 05:48:41 PM
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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Tauntaun on February 01, 2008, 06:08:04 PM
DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 06:08:15 PM
..........................................................
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 06:11:29 PM
(http://tinyurl.com/2gghcc)(http://tinyurl.com/2gghcc)(http://tinyurl.com/2gghcc)(http://tinyurl.com/2gghcc)(http://tinyurl.com/2gghcc)(http://tinyurl.com/2gghcc)(http://tinyurl.com/2gghcc)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 06:12:17 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2008, 07:32:06 PM
What? You completely missed the point of how suicide bombings dont take place in america. because we dont tolerate extremist Muslims.
It's alright, all one has to do is see what the state of the countries that have a majority of a particular religion to see what's good or not. Countries with majority christians (and to a lesser extent catholics)=prosperous, countries with majority muslims=shit. Hmm...Anyone else see a connection?

Sure, but Europe, Canada, and Japan/Korea are kicking America's ass on the world stage--and they're all secular humanists!

I can't tell if you're actually racist or just taking the piss out of FoC, so, I'll let it slide for now.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
[youtube=425,350]5IvZ3cMzcY[/youtube]

DOT DOT DOT
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on February 01, 2008, 07:41:37 PM
How many fair christian oil-producing nations are there?
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2008, 07:42:25 PM
How many fair christian oil-producing nations are there?

not even the JEWS got any of that middle east oil

god's a bit of a dick

(and for the record south america, bits of asia, africa and canada)
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2008, 07:48:53 PM
I know you're new here, but abject racism is fairly frowned upon around these parts (except for FoC, who was let in due to affirmative action).

Anyways, please tone it down, or leave, it's all the same to me.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Robo on February 01, 2008, 07:51:22 PM
Is he new here?  Let's see those fins.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2008, 07:52:16 PM
i'm sorry is that directed to me?

isreal is the is the one place  without any oil

i'm not being racist

god's being a dick

Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: brawndolicious on February 01, 2008, 07:54:23 PM
How many fair christian oil-producing nations are there?
not even the JEWS got any of that middle east oil
god's a bit of a dick
(and for the record south america, bits of asia, africa and canada)
I thought Israel produced oil but was too small to be a big producer?

The only country I know of in south america is venezuela.  iirc, it was that country's dictator that pat robertson called for the assassination of which does show there are nutty religious people everywhere.  I think venezuela might have some human rights problems too.

for the rest, just look at the members:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opec
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 07:58:08 PM
Eric P may be the most racist conservative online, outside of Stoney Mason
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Robo on February 01, 2008, 08:01:45 PM
I'm sure that was directed at alteran/synbios.  Eric P is good peoples.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2008, 08:05:14 PM
this graph shows i'm wrong but what happened that caused them to stop producing

http://www.indexmundi.com/israel/oil_production.html

Slate has an interesting article based on where does Isreal Buy It's Oil From
http://www.slate.com/id/2145704/
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2008, 08:05:37 PM
I'm sure that was directed at alteran/synbios.  Eric P is good peoples.

thank you

i do know what half of you all look like naked though
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Himu on February 01, 2008, 08:12:22 PM
eric p is awesome

Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 01, 2008, 08:16:18 PM
I'm sure that was directed at alteran/synbios.  Eric P is good peoples.

thank you

i do know what half of you all look like naked though

yeah, that was definitely for synbios
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2008, 08:24:10 PM
as a cracker ass cracker on the internet i am very attuned to the sensitives that can arise on the internet so i try to stay on the side of good.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i mean have you ever seen those people when they get riled up?
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Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2008, 08:36:41 PM
You guys suck SMH
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: TVC15 on February 02, 2008, 06:21:11 AM
Hey Synbios, boo.  Send me some hawt PMs.
Title: Re: Himumumu goes to Mecca
Post by: Ichirou on February 02, 2008, 07:26:31 AM
Those boobs are so fake.  And her ass is nasty. :/