Himumumu goes to Mecca

[TVC15]

in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.

While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.

He's not harming anyone except himself, you mean.

[Mupepe]

in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.

While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.

He's not harming anyone except himself, you mean.

How so?  Religion doesn't have to be life inhibiting

[Powerslave]

Person a: I believe x

Internet: Why do you believe x?

Person a: Why are you so intolerant?

Internet: Why are you so stupid? There is no god and I am RIGHT

fixed

[Gay Boy]

Why would Muslims want virgins in heaven? The type of people who would live life and die as virgins were probably ugly and or fat.

[TVC15]

in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.

While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.

He's not harming anyone except himself, you mean.

How so?  Religion doesn't have to be life inhibiting

Does it have rules that he needs to follow?  Useless rules?  Even little things like not eating pork, or the restriction of sexual activities?  Alcohol, drugs?  Putting time aside 5 times a day for prayer?  Those aren't even all the restrictions, and already I'd say that particular religion is life-inhibiting.  This is without even getting into the intellectual dishonesty involved.

[Van Cruncheon]

let's not forget two months of fasting

[Powerslave]

1 month

[Himu]

Fasting isn't so bad. I tend to eat only one meal a day these days anyways. I've been doing it since High School.

[Gay Boy]

That is going to destroy your metabolism by the time you hit 30 Himuro.

[Powerslave]

Fasting isn't bad at all. After 3 days you get used to it and you start to appreciate the delicious food you're about to crave more.

[Gay Boy]

Fasting isn't bad at all. After 3 days you get used to it and you start to appreciate the delicious food you're about to crave more.

I mean him only eating one meal a day since high school.

[Himu]

That is going to destroy your metabolism by the time you hit 30 Himuro.

Well it's obviously not every day. most days I eat lunch and dinner or breakfast and dinner. during high school for some periods I would only eat dinner since my ADD meds made me lost my appetite, thus forcing me to not eat lunch. I can manage for one month.

Alcohol? I rarely drink alcohol to begin with. Drugs? The only drug I use is weed and that is allowed since it can be compared to a cigerrette. Restricted sexual activities? Depends on the Muslim. Some believe in not restricting sexual activities as they are more liberal, some believe in it as they more conservative. Praying 5 times a day is a good thing imo, it'll keep you in check. It's pretty hard to try to talk badly or do bad things when you pray 5 times a day.

Not eating pork is the only life altering thing, and even then, I prefer chicken anyways.

[Gay Boy]

That is going to destroy your metabolism by the time you hit 30 Himuro.

Well it's obviously not every day, but I can manage for one month.

I meant the one meal a day thing as I said above. Once you get 30+ you'll regret is severely. You put on weight like there is no tomorrow and it will be impossible to get off.

[Himu]

read the edit.

[Flannel Boy]

I prefer chicken anyways.

duh

[Himu]

Chicken <3

[brawndolicious]

weed isn't comparable to a cigarette.  it doesn't make you addicted and that's why the first few times you're smoking cigarettes, that's a sin until you get addicted and you can't take it physically to quit or whatever.  but weed isn't that bad.  alcohol is very bad but weed, since not very strong, is not too bad (the amount of sinfulness is measured in how much it alters your mind and so things like blood thinners, anti-depressants, and probably ADD medication is advised against unless needed for "survival").  to smoke weed is really not that bad.  islam is very grey when it comes to mind altering drugs and I might not remember a lot of these rules (doubt it though).  go ask a muslim convert mullah thingy and figure it out.

I think restricting weed is stupid as fuck though.

you can be 20 degrees off when praying to meccah.  when on a plane or on the moon, it doesn't matter what direction you pray in.  it's meant as a unifying thing that every muslim prays in the same direction.  please stop talking until you have spoken with a mullah about your questions on islam FOC (like I told you to).

for fasting, muslims wake up before sunrise (around 5 A.M.) and eat a light breakfast.  then they eat dinner at sunset around 6 P.M. (they follow the lunar calendar which is 2 weeks shorter than the solar one so it goes back 2 weeks every year so it's in the winter now but in the summer in a 5 years or something).  it's not hard at all.  fasting lasts one month and has a bunch of days of mourning in it.  the purpose is to make you feel what the poor/hungry people feel like.  if you're sick/pregnant/old then you're forbidden to do this because it could affect your health but it isn't hard at all.  some might say you're really full of religious self-righteousness instead.  honestly, past 10 years old it's really easy but I was never told to do it until I was like 14.

[Phoenix Dark]

Ha I remember at our end-of-semester banquet during HS everyone brought a shit ton of food. So the arab people brought Arab food, the Hebrew people brought Hebrew food, the Asian people brought Asian food, the Italian people brought Italian food...and the black people brought chicken wings, pork chops, greens, cornbread, etc. So I'm dumping Asian food on my plate and notice the Jews and Arabs are looking at the black food all scared, so I go over to them

Me: Sup Ali, my mom made the greens. They're good
Ali: But what kind of meat is in it?
Jacob: Yea uhhh, what's in there...
Me: I don't know lol. There's no meat in the cornbread
Jacob: You guys put meat in just about everything

 

[Powerslave]

if you're sick/pregnant/old then you're forbidden to do this

also young

[Himu]

Ha I remember at our end-of-semester banquet during HS everyone brought a shit ton of food. So the arab people brought Arab food, the Hebrew people brought Hebrew food, the Asian people brought Asian food, the Italian people brought Italian food...and the black people brought chicken wings, pork chops, greens, cornbread, etc. So I'm dumping Asian food on my plate and notice the Jews and Arabs are looking at the black food all scared, so I go over to them

Me: Sup Ali, my mom made the greens. They're good
Ali: But what kind of meat is in it?
Jacob: Yea uhhh, what's in there...
Me: I don't know lol. There's no meat in the cornbread
Jacob: You guys put meat in just about everything

 

lol

[Mupepe]

in all seriousness, I respect Himuro that much more for at least being able to recognize that he's spiritually unsatisfied and trying to make a change.

I don't have anything against any religion because they're all pretty crazy in some parts.  And I don't have anything against people who are religious because all have crutches of some sort. 

I dunno.  I find sought after religion a crious concept.  People that are born into religion have little choice.  If they are born into a good life, the have little reason to ever question the usefulness of their faith.  People that seek religion, I do not understand how they sometimes do not weigh rationality as an option when they are looking for their path.  I can talk about this for a long time, bringing Foucaultian technologies of power and making some references to Nietzsche's will to power, Schopenhauer's will to live, and even differance and negative theology. . .but I see no reason to waste words here any more.  Himuro has clearly already made the irrational choice, and it's down to picking his flavor.  He's arrived at an irrational solution, so I have little idea on why I care so much about the more specific choice.

While I personally agree, I also realize that not all people are looking for the same thing in life and as long as he's not harming anyone, more power to him.  And people who seek religion tend to represent the positive aspects of said religion to their fullest.  I don't mind that at all.

He's not harming anyone except himself, you mean.

How so?  Religion doesn't have to be life inhibiting

Does it have rules that he needs to follow?  Useless rules?  Even little things like not eating pork, or the restriction of sexual activities?  Alcohol, drugs?  Putting time aside 5 times a day for prayer?  Those aren't even all the restrictions, and already I'd say that particular religion is life-inhibiting.  This is without even getting into the intellectual dishonesty involved.

You said he's harming himself.  The only one thing that could really be harmful would be fasting.

The intellectual dishonesty is a whole different subject which I'm not prepared to argue because it's the whole reason I don't do organized religion.

[brawndolicious]

if you're sick/pregnant/old then you're forbidden to do this

also young

oh yeah.  some of them do a pussyified style and fast until noon.

[demi]

Ha I remember at our end-of-semester banquet during HS everyone brought a shit ton of food. So the arab people brought Arab food, the Hebrew people brought Hebrew food, the Asian people brought Asian food, the Italian people brought Italian food...and the black people brought chicken wings, pork chops, greens, cornbread, etc. So I'm dumping Asian food on my plate and notice the Jews and Arabs are looking at the black food all scared, so I go over to them

Me: Sup Ali, my mom made the greens. They're good
Ali: But what kind of meat is in it?
Jacob: Yea uhhh, what's in there...
Me: I don't know lol. There's no meat in the cornbread
Jacob: You guys put meat in just about everything

 

black people

[Himu]

This American Muslims book is really interesting. It's shedding a lot of light on the religion, and I'm finding myself shifting to it even more. The Islam views on slavery are very interesting.

Going to read Fresh Prince's catholic stuff soon.,

[Himu]

Wow I never considered that converting to Islam could be seen as a way to reverting and finding ones past African roots. This book puts a lot of perspective on this religion and the American take on it. I'm currently reading a chapter on American views of Hijab, what the Hijab is for and how so many people have misinterpreted the Quran's message regarding dressing modestly.

[brawndolicious]

quran basically says dress boobs.  don't get caught up in all the poetry it has of explaining that.  it's a normal religion through and through.

and what exactly did you read about your african roots?

[MCD]

dress boobs? no, it's whole body + hair.

and poetry? 

[brawndolicious]

yeah, I could see somebody going to islam for the exact same rules in their religion plus the "way" they pray and the poetry in the prayer if they are looking for a religion.

In the original arabic (from 1400 years ago) the word for 'head' translates to 'breast' in modern arabic so muslims decided to take the more conservative meaning.  I need to check up on that source again but realistically, most muslims (at least in the west) aren't going to cover their hair.

[Van Cruncheon]

[youtube=425,350]uEQvtdiyKiE[/youtube]

this is himu's fate

[MCD]

In the original arabic (from 1400 years ago) the word for 'head' translates to 'breast' in modern arabic so muslims decided to take the more conservative meaning.  I need to check up on that source again but realistically, most muslims (at least in the west) aren't going to cover their hair.

Well, a lot of Muslims aren't taking their religion words to words, even in the east.

besides, The Quran isn't the only thing, you have the Prophet messages as well, and i am pretty sure you can find messages of him explaining the hijab business in simple words.

[Himu]

dress boobs? no, it's whole body + hair.

and poetry? 

In the book I'm reading it says simply your arms and chest and also that it indicates this towards men AND women. It brings up the argument,"Why don't men wear Hijab?"

Also, people can say that the Hijab is supposed to make you not sexually attracted to the women so you can concentrate, but fuck man. This is BEAUTIFUL.

[youtube=425,350]WmeRG6WIoKQ[/youtube]

[Himu]

and what exactly did you read about your african roots?

She said that most slaves were taken from western African countries that now practice Islam, and that historians believe that 20-30% percent or more (possibly 60%) of the slaves taken from Africa were Muslim. I'm going to look into that.

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, no.

[Himu]

Yeah, I'm skeptical. I'm going to look into that.

[TVC15]

I just realized that this could open up a whole new set of possibilities for HIMUMU COMIX

[Smooth Groove]

Who cares about cultural ties to religion?  If you truly believe in your God, then you would also believe that every living being was his creation. 

[MCD]

why? now that's silly, men are men, they don't need to cover their hair.

and the real hijab is black, no colors so you won't get a hard on like what is happening now.

[MrAngryFace]

Faith is all that matters; organized religions are for people who need validation

[Himu]

Who cares about cultural ties to religion?  If you truly believe in your God, then you would also believe that every living being was his creation. 

It's just interesting, especially since I kinda..you know...know jack shit about my ancestors.

[TVC15]

I know jack shit about my ancestors past my grandparents.  Nor do I particularly care.

[Smooth Groove]

Who cares about cultural ties to religion?  If you truly believe in your God, then you would also believe that every living being was his creation. 

It's just interesting, especially since I kinda..you know...know jack shit about my ancestors.

You shouldn't join a religion just because your ancestors did so.  Religious faith and cultural history are two different things. 

[Van Cruncheon]

why would anyone care about their ancestors?

[MCD]

I know jack shit about my ancestors past my grandparents.  Nor do I particularly care.

Strange, you love history yet don't care about your own history? no offense meant, just curious

[TVC15]

my ancestors from Ireland were probably all potatoes and goat fuckers and my frenchie blood probably would have buckled under nazism.  And to think those were parts of civilized europe in the 17th to 19th centuries.  I'd probably be ashamed to know what any potential ancestors in afrika were doing back then.  It's probably best left to mystery, himumu.

I know jack shit about my ancestors past my grandparents.  Nor do I particularly care.

Strange, you love history yet don't care about your own history? no offense meant, just curious

Hmmm, I'm the first gen of my family that hasn't been po' working class.  Such things are like dominos, so it's a safe assumption that most of my ancestors in recorded history were also slaves to the man.  I know enough about general history, at least on one side of my family, to know that the history of my blood is likely not interesting.

[MrAngryFace]

I dont care about my family history because MY FAMILY IS BORING

[Smooth Groove]

my ancestors from Ireland were probably all potatoes and goat fuckers and my frenchie blood probably would have buckled under nazism.  And to think those were parts of civilized europe in the 17th to 19th centuries.  I'd probably be ashamed to know what any potential ancestors in afrika were doing back then.  It's probably best left to mystery, himumu.

Your ancestors might have participated in the Crusades though.  Elitism and sexual deviances are both strong traits of the European nobility. 

[TVC15]

my ancestors from Ireland were probably all potatoes and goat fuckers and my frenchie blood probably would have buckled under nazism.  And to think those were parts of civilized europe in the 17th to 19th centuries.  I'd probably be ashamed to know what any potential ancestors in afrika were doing back then.  It's probably best left to mystery, himumu.

Your ancestors might have participated in the Crusades though.  Elitism and sexual deviances are both strong traits of the European nobility. 

Yeah, but the history of po' families is difficult to trace backwards more than a few hundred years, much less 1000.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I just realized that this could open up a whole new set of possibilities for HIMUMU COMIX

we need to go find that old thread and add it to the classic archives

[Smooth Groove]

my ancestors from Ireland were probably all potatoes and goat fuckers and my frenchie blood probably would have buckled under nazism.  And to think those were parts of civilized europe in the 17th to 19th centuries.  I'd probably be ashamed to know what any potential ancestors in afrika were doing back then.  It's probably best left to mystery, himumu.

Your ancestors might have participated in the Crusades though.  Elitism and sexual deviances are both strong traits of the European nobility. 

Yeah, but the history of po' families is difficult to trace backwards more than a few hundred years, much less 1000.

Maybe your ancestors were crusade deserters? 

[Phoenix Dark]

why would anyone care about their ancestors?

It's not hard to see why. Our ancestors for instance were brought here by force and stripped of their culture, language, everything. Personally I think it's important for African Americans to know where we came from. There's so much misinformation and total ignorance with respect to the history of Africa. While history books often speak of the great Roman and Greek empires, little time is spent discussing the African empires, or how Africa was the center of the world for a fuck long time - a place the great scholars like Aristotle and Socrates came to in order to learn from Egyptian and Ethiopian teachers

[Oblivion]

why would anyone care about their ancestors?

A lot of people do cause of 'ethnic pride'. Personally, I always found that to be silly, because if we go back far enough, we'd come to realize that we come from the same group of people.

[TVC15]

why would anyone care about their ancestors?

It's not hard to see why. Our ancestors for instance were brought here by force and stripped of their culture, language, everything. Personally I think it's important for African Americans to know where we came from. There's so much misinformation and total ignorance with respect to the history of Africa. While history books often speak of the great Roman and Greek empires, little time is spent discussing the African empires, or how Africa was the center of the world for a fuck long time - a place the great scholars like Aristotle and Socrates came to in order to learn from Egyptian and Ethiopian teachers

Maybe they should have spent less time being the great center of the world and more time learning how to document their history so we could know it today.

[Phoenix Dark]

why would anyone care about their ancestors?

It's not hard to see why. Our ancestors for instance were brought here by force and stripped of their culture, language, everything. Personally I think it's important for African Americans to know where we came from. There's so much misinformation and total ignorance with respect to the history of Africa. While history books often speak of the great Roman and Greek empires, little time is spent discussing the African empires, or how Africa was the center of the world for a fuck long time - a place the great scholars like Aristotle and Socrates came to in order to learn from Egyptian and Ethiopian teachers

Maybe they should have spent less time being the great center of the world and more time learning how to document their history so we could know it today.

Hard to do when your country is getting raped and entire libraries are burned to the ground during massive wars...

But still, there's lots of text/documents out there, just not enough recognition I guess

[TVC15]

Every city on the Mediterranean has been sacked multiple times, but we have plenty of history about the greeks, romans, and the middle east.  And heck, Egypt, too.  But I don't think you were talking about Egypt, were you?

[Phoenix Dark]

Well Egypt is in Africa...

Documents from Egypt, Mali, and Ethiopia remain, luckily, and other countries as well

[TVC15]

I figured you were talking about other parts of Africa, since the US's slaves most likely didn't come from Egypt.  And Egypt also kind of has like Honorary Middle East status.

[Phoenix Dark]

I figured you were talking about other parts of Africa, since the US's slaves most likely didn't come from Egypt.  And Egypt also kind of has like Honorary Middle East status.

With respect to slaves you're right: they mainly came from the borderline African countries. With Egypt I was just pointing out that years of wars resulted in the loss of many documents, such as the burning of the Library of Alexandria which was once the largest library/museum

[TVC15]

Big woop.  Rome burnt down AT LEAST 3 times in under 20 years during the first century AD.  The Romans lit their shit on fire all the fucking time, and we have detailed accounts on who was executed as being responsible for the flames.  Eat that Afrika.

[bagofeyes]

Sankei newspaper ordered to compensate foreigner over Al Qaeda slur


The Sankei newspaper has been ordered by the Tokyo District Court to pay a foreigner 3.3 million yen in compensation for implying he was linked to Al Qaeda and plotting a terrorist attack.

The court found the paper had defamed 37-year-old company president Islam Mohamed Himu of Toda, Saitama Prefecture, and ordered it to compensate him.


http://mdn.mainichi.jp/national/news/20071211p2a00m0na027000c.html

[Vizzys]

mods please change himuros name to Mohamed Himu