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Title: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2008, 03:25:28 PM: I'm leaning towards Sandman and The Dark Knight Returns. Basically I'm looking for something more in line with Watchmen in terms of more serious (cynical) graphic novels. I'm going to check out stuff like Morrison's run on X-Men and Extraordinary Gentlemen as well, a bit later though

TVC recommended From Hell. Any thoughts on it?
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Reb on October 29, 2008, 03:28:23 PM: I've only read The Dark Knight Returns, and I really liked it. I especially liked how it handles Superman.

I also like the cliché superheroes though, so maybe I'm not the right person to ask.
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Post by: TVC15 on October 29, 2008, 03:28:35 PM: I think you should do like 2 volumes of Sandman and then do From Hell, and then more Sandman, and then something else. Just to, you know, break things up a bit.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2008, 03:30:22 PM: Yea I heard Miller kicks Superman in the balls, which sounds cool. I hate Superman

This is the first Sandman volume correct?
http://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Vol-Preludes-Nocturnes/dp/1563890119

I'll get this during the weekend to celebrate the end of mid terms, and I'll pick up From Hell and TDKR
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 29, 2008, 03:30:51 PM: I'm going to be completely predictable and suggest starting the Hellboy series.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2008, 03:31:20 PM: GET WE3 YOU DIRTY WHORE
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: TVC15 on October 29, 2008, 03:34:31 PM: Seaguy > We3.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Vizzys on October 29, 2008, 03:37:28 PM: i was recommended sandman and fables here, both of which are good

go with sandman though, its great, dont buy just one you will want the next one by the time you finish
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 03:51:25 PM: any interest in breaking out of the standard capes and fantasy stuff?
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 29, 2008, 03:51:29 PM: Fables rox
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 03:52:25 PM: Millar sucks, though Red Son is okay.

Sandman would be an excellent next step. Fables is okay but Sandman is far-and-away better.

You really can't go wrong with Morrison, but I'd recommend his New X-Men arc if you want an "easy" in. Animal Man is also FUCK AWESOME but I think it helps to have a bit more familiarity with the medium before you jump into that one.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2008, 03:52:57 PM: Quote from: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 03:51:25 PM
any interest in breaking out of the standard capes and fantasy stuff?

Definitely. All suggestions welcomed

Patel: you don't like Miller in general?
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2008, 03:54:53 PM: From Hell, V for Vendetta, and for the love of all that is demi, Batman Long Halloween.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Reb on October 29, 2008, 03:57:07 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 03:52:25 PM
Millar sucks, though Red Son is okay.

You liked Red Son better then TDKR?
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: GilloD on October 29, 2008, 04:01:12 PM: FABLES
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 04:02:03 PM: It's Millar, and no, he's a shock artist with very little actual talent. The first time you go "wow, how edgy!" but the twentieth time you're just bored and wish you were reading something with actual characterization and plot.

If you want something outside of capes/fantasy but that's still super enjoyable, my shortlist recommendation would be Queen and Country. Incredibly bad-ass book about a female spy that makes Bourne Identity look like escapist fun. The third super-cheap, super high-quality omnibus edition just came out last week - they are a ridiculous value.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51STQUjntaL._SS500_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Queen-Country-Definitive-Vol-1/dp/1932664874/)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DXTU3y2QL._SS500_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Queen-Country-Definitive-Vol-2/dp/1932664890/)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61UoG%2BvIDbL._SS500_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Queen-Country-Definitive-Vol-3/dp/1932664963/)
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 04:03:32 PM: Quote from: Rebiak on October 29, 2008, 03:57:07 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 03:52:25 PM
Millar sucks, though Red Son is okay.

You liked Red Son better then TDKR?

Oh, sorry, I got Mark Millar and Frank Miller confused.

Frank Miller is okay, though he descends into self-parody too often for my liking (see: The Dark Knight 2, All-Star Batman and Robin).

Mark Millar is a fucking hack.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: bud on October 29, 2008, 04:04:07 PM: one of the few i've ever read: a history of violence

i thought it was better than the film
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: duckman2000 on October 29, 2008, 04:04:30 PM: Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 29, 2008, 03:31:20 PM
GET WE3 YOU DIRTY WHORE

THIS
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2008, 04:05:29 PM: Is that Queen and Country stuff Time Sale artwork?
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 04:05:49 PM: a few things real quick

Persepolis - a young girl growing up in revolutionary iran and her attempt to integrate in europe.

Fun Home - Alison Bechel coming to terms with her father's death and homosexuality and her own. Absolutely Amazing.

Cerebus: High Society - the most self contained portion of the 300 issue multi decade spanning independent comics milestone. it's big it's funny it's political it's packed with pop culture references and it's not yet filled with bizarre misogynistic diatribes which poison the series for many

Black Hole (Charles Burns) the story of teens who contract a sexually transmitted disease which horribly disfigures them. to be turned into a film by David Fincher

from hell - WARNING. DENSE DENSE DENSE DENSE. I love it. many people don't. be prepared for dozens of pages of seemingly unrelated text broken into panels under the flimsiest of pretexts for graphic narrative fiction.

let me see if i can come up with some others.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 04:06:43 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Rebiak on October 29, 2008, 03:57:07 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 03:52:25 PM
Millar sucks, though Red Son is okay.

You liked Red Son better then TDKR?

Oh, sorry, I got Mark Millar and Frank Miller confused.

Frank Miller is okay, though he descends into self-parody too often for my liking (see: The Dark Knight 2, All-Star Batman and Robin).

Mark Millar is a fucking hack.

millar = ass

miller = ass but used to be awesome.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 04:07:04 PM: Quote from: Senator Government on October 29, 2008, 04:05:29 PM
Is that Queen and Country stuff Time Sale artwork?

covers only
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 29, 2008, 04:08:21 PM: The Crow

Desolation Jones
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 04:08:44 PM: I didn't like Fun Home, I feel like this makes me a bad person. :/

It's odd because I love Blankets so much that I want to take it behind the middle school and get it pregnant.

I guess one speaks to my experience and feelings and the other just did not.

I almost recommended Black Hole but I'm not sure what it would do to PD's mind. I'm trying to recommend stuff to ease him into the medium.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2008, 04:09:56 PM: I read Persepolis in HS, and I liked the movie as well

Queen and Country sounds badass. I'm gonna have to look up Black Hole, sounds interesting
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 04:10:18 PM: blankets?

i didn't know you were a girl
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 04:10:43 PM: shut up shut up SHUT UP

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I love The Cure
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Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Reb on October 29, 2008, 04:10:49 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: Rebiak on October 29, 2008, 03:57:07 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 03:52:25 PM
Millar sucks, though Red Son is okay.

You liked Red Son better then TDKR?

Oh, sorry, I got Mark Millar and Frank Miller confused.

Frank Miller is okay, though he descends into self-parody too often for my liking (see: The Dark Knight 2, All-Star Batman and Robin).

Mark Millar is a fucking hack.

That makes more sense. :)
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 29, 2008, 04:11:19 PM: Black Hole was very entertaining
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: TVC15 on October 29, 2008, 04:11:24 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 04:10:43 PM
shut up shut up SHUT UP

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I love The Cure
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Liking The Cure doesn't mean you are a girl. It just means you are probably gay.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 04:12:32 PM: Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on October 29, 2008, 04:09:56 PM
I read Persepolis in HS, and I liked the movie as well

Queen and Country sounds badass. I'm gonna have to look up Black Hole, sounds interesting

Q&C is bad ass. make certain you read the novels that Rucka wrote about the characters as well.

i am going to avoid all rucka talk so that wilco can come make his pitch.

i'd like to suggest Kane by Paul Grist as well. it's a series, not GN per se. It's about a cop who shot his corrupt partner and his return to work. told in an excellent fashion with great art and story techniques which can ONLY be done through Comics.

My friend Johanna Draper-Carlson does Comics Worth Reading which is a blog you may want to look into.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2008, 04:13:05 PM: And also, I'm not new to comics - I collected them for about 5-6 years. But yea, I am new to the graphic novel medium
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 04:14:42 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on October 29, 2008, 04:11:24 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 04:10:43 PM
shut up shut up SHUT UP

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I love The Cure
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Liking The Cure doesn't mean you are a girl. It just means you are probably gay.

but that contradicts the disliking of Fun Home based on personal experience

Check out Stagger Lee, anything by Kyle Baker, the Bluesman, Miss: Better Living through Crime
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Don Flamenco on October 29, 2008, 04:16:50 PM: Quote
Miss: Better Living through Crime

ah! this was so good too, read it years ago.

This thread kicks ass, I gotta pick all this shit up.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 04:17:45 PM: Quote from: Rebiak on October 29, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
That makes more sense. :)

I describe Miller as "okay" because it's a mixture of early, awesome Miller and modern, ridiculous Miller.

I mean:

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(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/787/244122-18164-118697-1-all-star-batman--ro_super.jpg)
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:-X
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 04:18:09 PM: i just found a copy of a 2nd edition (full color) here in nyc. i was floored.

hey, pd. maybe American Flagg! would be of interest as well
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 04:18:45 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 04:17:45 PM
Quote from: Rebiak on October 29, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
That makes more sense. :)

I describe Millar as "okay" because it's a mixture of early, awesome Millar and modern, ridiculous Millar.

I mean:

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(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/787/244122-18164-118697-1-all-star-batman--ro_super.jpg)
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:-X

or the frequent calling 16 year old batgirl a cunt in the printed page
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Reb on October 29, 2008, 04:20:01 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 29, 2008, 04:17:45 PM
Quote from: Rebiak on October 29, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
That makes more sense. :)

I describe Millar as "okay" because it's a mixture of early, awesome Millar and modern, ridiculous Millar.

I mean:

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(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/787/244122-18164-118697-1-all-star-batman--ro_super.jpg)
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:-X

Stop mixing them up! Aack!

I agree though, Miller started off awesome, I just ignore his recent work.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2008, 04:21:59 PM: I just read that he's working on some type of Batman vs Bin Laden comic wtf. Plus I didn't know he was a neocon :-\
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 04:26:02 PM: if you want more Moore-on-superheroes I would recommend

Miracleman - Sadly uncollected due to nightmare legal fuckmines but easily torrentable. More "hardcore" than Watchmen in its "serious" take but pretty memorable due to that. When Kid Miracleman fucks up London there is an emphasis on FUCKED UP. KIMOTA!

Supreme - Somehow Moore takes a third-tier Rob Liefeld Superman clone and turn it into a fantastic metanarrative on the comics history, using a variety of art and writing style he creates a rich 50-year history for the character that pays homage to all the great stories and eras of comics. The best Superman story ever written is Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" one-shot, but I prefer this to "All-Star Superman" as the ultimate "long form" Superman experience. It's just rich and textured and creative and FUN FUN FUN.

And if you want the ultimate Hollywood widescreen superhero experience get the first 12 issues of The Authority

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/The_Authority_Issue_1.jpg)

1-4: Defeat a 100,000-strong army of superpowered clones
5-8: Repel a full-on invasion by an interdimensional Earth attempting to destroy our world :bow Sliding Albion :bow2
9-12: Kill God

Ellis left the series at that point as there was nothing left to accomplish. ;)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2008, 05:09:51 PM: Bone
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 05:12:30 PM: god no
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 05:17:41 PM: Quote from: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 05:12:30 PM
god no

Bone has great art but the plot and characters made me want to DIE

Skip Bone, read Pogo

We3 more like :'( W :'( e :'( 3 :'(
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2008, 05:19:08 PM: thanks for telling me it has a sad ending/outcome guys

smh
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2008, 05:21:45 PM: Sandman, Fables, anything by Alan Moore, anything by Osamu Tezuka particularly Buddha.

If you want good ol' capes and leather boots I highly suggest the New X-Men by Grant Morrison. Iirc it's in graphic novel format now. There are some good Marvel and DC ones I could suggest if you're interested.

Yoshinori Tatsumi's stuff is really really good too. The Pushman and Other Stories is something I read every once in a while.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 05:22:20 PM: it's probably not the sad ending you'll be expecting

I've read it at least a dozen times and I STILL tear up every time

;________________________;

it also has the best action sequences in a comic like ever
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Post by: Himu on October 29, 2008, 05:23:44 PM: I'm gonna have to read this WE3.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 05:27:11 PM: spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/We3%201.JPG)
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 05:29:32 PM: I prefer 1 but then I'm a dog person

omg you posted my favorite page like ever

that page layout is like staring into the mind of God
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Post by: patrickula on October 29, 2008, 05:30:04 PM: I liked Blankets but I dunno if I'll ever reread it.

From Hell is awesome but yeah it's dense as fuck. The annotations are great :-*

League of Extraordinary Gentleman is very good fun. I LOVE Top Ten too and V for Vendetta's good too.

DKR is classic.

I really dig Joe Sacco stuff, Palestine is a good one to read first. That's not superhero or fantasy at all!

Akira is very good though I dunno about the end. Ends better than the movie at least.

WE3 is fantastic :rock :gun :'(
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2008, 05:30:35 PM: wtf @ those pages :o
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 05:31:24 PM: pogo is excellent.

bone is excrement
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2008, 05:32:49 PM: I think DKR is okay. I mean, I like it, but how some people revere it can border on ridiculous.

What about Tin Tin :(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2008, 05:32:51 PM: Quote from: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 05:12:30 PM
god no

god yes :maf
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Post by: Himu on October 29, 2008, 05:34:35 PM: Tin Tin really is awesome
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 05:34:47 PM: couldn't get into it as comics

but adore the TV series.
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 05:35:45 PM: Asterix and Obelix rule
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2008, 05:39:03 PM: I'd like to read more European comics but my bookstores rarely carry the stuff and that's always where I get my graphic novels so I can sneak a peek of the story before I buy.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 05:41:27 PM: I've read EVERY Tin Tin book

:bow me :bow2
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Post by: Himu on October 29, 2008, 05:43:19 PM: Give them to me.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2008, 05:44:47 PM: I got them from the socialist bookstore aka "library"
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 05:46:35 PM: Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 29, 2008, 05:37:28 PM
Have you read The Mysteious Flame of Queen Loana Eric? There is a whole chapter devoted to older european comics. Really good stuff.

it's on my book shelf but i'm tearing through some older moorcock i haven't read yet.

if you go to The Modern Word, there are extensive annotations for that book.

also, in the move, i found my copy of Nazi Literature by Bolano which I need to send to you
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 05:49:35 PM: have you read The Amulet by him? it's the story of a minor character from The Savage Detective. I hadn't read that yet so I fear that most of The Amulet was lost on me.
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 06:08:16 PM: ah, i wasn't aware of which he wrote first.

2666 is getting released this year, isn't it? i look forward to that

edit: nov 18th. can't wait
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Post by: Rman on October 29, 2008, 06:14:54 PM: Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud.
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Post by: Greatness Gone on October 29, 2008, 07:23:25 PM: Have you read The Killing Joke Yet? Best Joker story to date written by Alan Moore with FUCKING INCREDIBLE art.

and don't read tdkr. It fucking sucks. In fact, anything by Miller FUCKING SUCKS. Do read Sandman though. It's the only good thing Gaiman has ever done.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2008, 07:55:02 PM: :-\ :-\ :-\

The Killing Joke is good but even Moore admits that it's a little so-so. Good art but applying a backstory to the Joker is just lame.

And TDKR isn't horrible you poop. It's probably the best Batman comic next to Long Halloween, in my eyes.
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Post by: Greatness Gone on October 29, 2008, 07:57:59 PM: leper brand new
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Post by: Himu on October 29, 2008, 07:59:48 PM: the best part of tdkr
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when batman fights superman
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It has its moments. It's a good comic but not as good as people say it is.
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 08:01:39 PM: it was better the year it was released
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2008, 08:03:08 PM: Granted, I also don't really care for Year One, so blah blah leper brand new etc etc
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2008, 08:11:52 PM: year one is "ok"
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2008, 09:29:29 PM: Paul Chadwick's Concrete, just 'cause no-one has mentioned it yet.
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Post by: modkennylaine on October 30, 2008, 12:13:16 AM: Uhhh, The Goon by Eric Powell is fun. And goofy.

I'll throw in Scott Pilgrim, though there's already been threads about that.

I like Paul Pope's art, but his writing is ???
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2008, 12:47:46 AM: Quote from: Senator Government on October 29, 2008, 07:55:02 PM
:-\ :-\ :-\

The Killing Joke is good but even Moore admits that it's a little so-so. Good art but applying a backstory to the Joker is just lame.

And TDKR isn't horrible you poop. It's probably the best Batman comic next to Long Halloween, in my eyes.

Long Halloween bored me to tears. Stylish, but empty. Name an outstanding Jeph Loeb comic and I'll gladly try it. So far, everything I've read by him has been crushingly average fanservice.
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Post by: Greatness Gone on October 30, 2008, 12:50:15 AM: The Long Halloween has horrrrrrrrrrrible art.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2008, 12:51:30 AM: Quote from: Greatness Gone on October 30, 2008, 12:50:15 AM
The Long Halloween has horrrrrrrrrrrible art.

Good lord, what an extraordinary statement.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Greatness Gone on October 30, 2008, 12:52:19 AM: I'm just tryin to save PD from reading total shit
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2008, 12:54:08 AM: Quote from: Greatness Gone on October 30, 2008, 12:52:19 AM
I'm just tryin to save PD from reading total shit

Too late, he's already read your post. :-\
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2008, 12:57:12 AM: but TDKR looks awesome :(

Sandman vol 1+TDKR or Killing Joke
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Post by: Greatness Gone on October 30, 2008, 12:58:27 AM: Killing Joke, bitch. Get it.
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Post by: Vizzys on October 30, 2008, 12:59:10 AM: sandman 1+ sandman 2
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2008, 01:02:19 AM: Ah, it's a one shot? Cool, the price is so low I could get Sandman+Killing Joke+TDKR
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Post by: Vizzys on October 30, 2008, 01:07:41 AM: also dont get batman year one, read it at borders or something

it should have been called 'commissioner gordon: year one'
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2008, 01:12:35 AM: Quote from: Viz on October 30, 2008, 01:07:41 AM
also dont get batman year one, read it at borders or something

it should have been called 'commissioner gordon: year one'

Heh I was just about to ask about Year One.

Growing up I was never into DC in general, although I liked Batman. My dad had a shit ton of Marvel comics from his youth (mainly Avengers and Thor) and eventually I got obsessed with X-Men; Wolverine has been my favorite superhero since I was like 6
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Greatness Gone on October 30, 2008, 01:14:50 AM: Marvel is all ugh except for Deadpool
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Post by: patrickula on October 30, 2008, 09:54:57 AM: Killing Joke is one of my least favorite Moore comics (that people actually like anyway). He's not crazy about it either. It's got great art though and it's probably worth the read for the price.

Year One is good. TDKR is awesome :gun
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2008, 10:04:37 AM: Quote from: Greatness Gone on October 30, 2008, 12:52:19 AM
I'm just tryin to save PD from reading total shit

It's not much good, but the only redeeming part of it is the art. Which your Philistine eyes appear incapable of appreciating. I shed a salty tear for you.
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Post by: Eric P on October 30, 2008, 11:00:30 AM: Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 30, 2008, 01:02:53 AM
Also read the Invisibles.

god no.

not yet
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2008, 03:56:28 PM: Since I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be stood up on Halloween by my friendgirl, I'm just going to spend the night at Barnes and Noble before going to see a movie I guess; I hate Halloween anyway. That way I'll just read the Killing Joke in the store cafe (48 pages isn't a lot) and preview as much stuff as I can before buying some stuff

And I'll probably pick up the first Malazan book, I need another copy of Black Boy (mine has literally fallen apart), maybe Tigana (someone here recommended it, sounds awesome)
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Post by: Eric P on October 30, 2008, 06:26:16 PM: Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on October 30, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
Since I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be stood up on Halloween by my friendgirl, I'm just going to spend the night at Barnes and Noble before going to see a movie I guess; I hate Halloween anyway. That way I'll just read the Killing Joke in the store cafe (48 pages isn't a lot) and preview as much stuff as I can before buying some stuff

And I'll probably pick up the first Malazan book, I need another copy of Black Boy (mine has literally fallen apart), maybe Tigana (someone here recommended it, sounds awesome)

black boy is my favorite of Richard Wright's books.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on October 30, 2008, 06:30:58 PM: Quote from: Greatness Gone on October 30, 2008, 01:14:50 AM
Marvel is all ugh except for Deadpool
:bow Deadpool :bow2
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2008, 06:34:37 PM: Quote from: Eric P on October 30, 2008, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on October 30, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
Since I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be stood up on Halloween by my friendgirl, I'm just going to spend the night at Barnes and Noble before going to see a movie I guess; I hate Halloween anyway. That way I'll just read the Killing Joke in the store cafe (48 pages isn't a lot) and preview as much stuff as I can before buying some stuff

And I'll probably pick up the first Malazan book, I need another copy of Black Boy (mine has literally fallen apart), maybe Tigana (someone here recommended it, sounds awesome)

black boy is my favorite of Richard Wright's books.

It's my favorite book. I borrowed my cousin's copy from her, when she was in college a decade ago and never returned it; even at that young of an age (11) the book spoke to me. Reading it as an adult was even more insightful and powerful for me in part because I began to experience some of the situations discussed in the book.
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Post by: TVC15 on October 30, 2008, 06:35:44 PM: My favorite book as of right now at 3:14 PM on Thursday the 30th of Cocktober is probably The Crying of Lot 49. I always come back to that one.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Oblivion on October 30, 2008, 06:39:42 PM: I hear that Marvel Zombies series is good.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 30, 2008, 06:44:01 PM: Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on October 30, 2008, 06:34:37 PM
Quote from: Eric P on October 30, 2008, 06:26:16 PM
Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on October 30, 2008, 03:56:28 PM
Since I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be stood up on Halloween by my friendgirl, I'm just going to spend the night at Barnes and Noble before going to see a movie I guess; I hate Halloween anyway. That way I'll just read the Killing Joke in the store cafe (48 pages isn't a lot) and preview as much stuff as I can before buying some stuff

And I'll probably pick up the first Malazan book, I need another copy of Black Boy (mine has literally fallen apart), maybe Tigana (someone here recommended it, sounds awesome)

black boy is my favorite of Richard Wright's books.

It's my favorite book. I borrowed my cousin's copy from her, when she was in college a decade ago and never returned it; even at that young of an age (11) the book spoke to me. Reading it as an adult was even more insightful and powerful for me in part because I began to experience some of the situations discussed in the book.

i couldn't even begin to pick a favorite book
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2008, 06:51:04 PM: Yea I know a lot of people like that. The reason it's easy for me is because while I've read many books that have resonated with me, none have touched me more or influenced my perspective more than Black Boy. Invisible Man and Soul on Ice are probably more acclaimed but imo Black Boy captures the best aspects of both novels.
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Post by: TVC15 on October 30, 2008, 06:51:52 PM: PD, read The Crying of Lot 49. It's only like 170 pages or some shit. You will cum in your shorts.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2008, 06:53:55 PM: Or just go straight for Gravity's Rainbow and explode your mind.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: T234 on October 30, 2008, 06:55:20 PM: I'm going trough 100 bullets right now and I dig it alot. We have similar tastes in porno so give it a shot.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: TVC15 on October 30, 2008, 06:57:32 PM: Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2008, 06:53:55 PM
Or just go straight for Gravity's Rainbow and explode your mind.

I dunno, I take Crying of Lot 49 over Gravity's Rainbow because I'm a big fan of being concise, and Gravity's Rainbow is the opposite of concise. I also find 49 more interesting because conspiracies are fun.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2008, 07:00:05 PM: Ah it's in the library. I'll pick it up although I still haven't finished Kavalier and Clay smh. Great book but my attention span has been sucky lately, making graphic novels perfect for consumption
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Post by: Eric P on October 30, 2008, 07:06:45 PM: Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on October 30, 2008, 07:00:05 PM
Ah it's in the library. I'll pick it up although I still haven't finished Kavalier and Clay smh. Great book but my attention span has been sucky lately, making graphic novels perfect for consumption

oh, then check out Brian K Vaughn's The Escapists. it's about a kid who grows up reading the Escapist and his attempts to bring it into print.

it's really really good
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2008, 07:08:24 PM: Do you like Kavalier and Clay? I'm about a third-way through it. It's definitely really good imo, my mind has just been wandering
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on October 30, 2008, 07:09:14 PM: it's good but a bit rambly

but then i'm a comic history nerd so i liked it
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 30, 2008, 07:35:30 PM: Quote from: Oblivion on October 30, 2008, 06:39:42 PM
I hear that Marvel Zombies series is good.

it's not, at all
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Oblivion on October 30, 2008, 08:20:09 PM: Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on October 30, 2008, 07:35:30 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 30, 2008, 06:39:42 PM
I hear that Marvel Zombies series is good.

it's not, at all

but i heard zombie hulk bites off zombie silver surfer's head : (
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: TVC15 on October 31, 2008, 04:40:29 AM: I'm watching the documentary The Mindscape of Alan Moore. I've been a fan of his for years, but I don't think I'd seen video of him before. I kinda want him to rape me. And he seems like he's drunk all the time, but I think that's just the way people from the UK are.
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Post by: patrickula on October 31, 2008, 10:42:31 AM: I'm gonna make an Alan Moore avatar. While searching for pics, I found photos of his wedding: http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2007/05/some-photographs-from-wedding-of.html
What an outfit :o
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/patrickula/neilandalan.jpg)
[close]
:heartbeat
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2008, 02:56:34 PM: Barnes and Noble was a step ahead of me last night. Killing Joke was wrapped in plastic so I wound up checking out Queen and Country instead. Pretty good although I was a bit bummed the art was more cartoony than the cover art. Reminded more of 24 than Bourne

I thought Sandman and have read 4 issues so far. The first one is pretty good, especially the ending where he breaks out of the magical prison and punishes that dude with eternal waking; fuck that would suck

Second issue was ok, third was good but the fourth issue where he enters hell was great.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Greatness Gone on November 01, 2008, 03:07:22 PM: Vol. 1 of Sandman is pretty boring. Every other volume is amazing.

:heartbeat Season of Mists & A Game of You :heartbeat
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 01, 2008, 03:40:30 PM: Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on November 01, 2008, 02:56:34 PM
Barnes and Noble was a step ahead of me last night. Killing Joke was wrapped in plastic so I wound up checking out Queen and Country instead. Pretty good although I was a bit bummed the art was more cartoony than the cover art. Reminded more of 24 than Bourne

Like Sandman, Queen and Country changes artists pretty much every arc. Generally speaking the art is stylized, yeah, but after a book or two you'll be so engrossed in the characters it won't matter.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2008, 04:43:23 PM: I liked the fact that the art didn't overly sex up the heroine. It's just a badass agent who happens to be female instead of a bikini clad killer in spandex like some manga shite
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Post by: TVC15 on November 01, 2008, 04:54:47 PM: Quote from: Greatness Gone on November 01, 2008, 03:07:22 PM
Vol. 1 of Sandman is pretty boring. Every other volume is amazing.

:heartbeat Season of Mists & A Game of You :heartbeat

Volume 1 has 24 Hours, you stupid slut.
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Post by: Greatness Gone on November 01, 2008, 05:00:15 PM: So? The Sound of Her Wings > 24 Hours
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Post by: TVC15 on November 01, 2008, 05:02:01 PM: That's also in volume 1! Volume 1 is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Eric P on November 01, 2008, 06:34:55 PM: i rather enjoy volume 1

it is essentially prelude as stated in the title

but the diner bit is awesome
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Post by: Reb on November 02, 2008, 04:53:25 PM: http://www.bol.com/nl/catalog/product-recommendations.html?productId=1001004000881847&section=books-en (http://www.bol.com/nl/catalog/product-recommendations.html?productId=1001004000881847&section=books-en)

Could you guys please check out this list and say which one I should buy?
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Greatness Gone on November 02, 2008, 05:00:22 PM: Watchmen and Animal Man.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2008, 05:20:04 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on November 01, 2008, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: Greatness Gone on November 01, 2008, 03:07:22 PM
Vol. 1 of Sandman is pretty boring. Every other volume is amazing.

:heartbeat Season of Mists & A Game of You :heartbeat

Volume 1 has 24 Hours, you stupid slut.

Read it earlier today. Fuck awesome. IMO this volume seems rather episodic, with some hitting, others missing, and some being fuck awesome. The new artist who did that issue really impressed me. And the issue right after that one is awesome (Dee vs Morpheus).
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2008, 05:35:26 PM: 24 Hours>>>Sound of Her Wings

both were great though but 24 Hours was insane.
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Post by: TVC15 on November 07, 2008, 05:39:30 PM: Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on November 02, 2008, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on November 01, 2008, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: Greatness Gone on November 01, 2008, 03:07:22 PM
Vol. 1 of Sandman is pretty boring. Every other volume is amazing.

:heartbeat Season of Mists & A Game of You :heartbeat

Volume 1 has 24 Hours, you stupid slut.

Read it earlier today. Fuck awesome. IMO this volume seems rather episodic, with some hitting, others missing, and some being fuck awesome. The new artist who did that issue really impressed me. And the issue right after that one is awesome (Dee vs Morpheus).

Yeah, most of the other volumes are more arc-based. 2 of the volumes are collections of single issue stories, but the single issue stories are generally pretty great.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 07, 2008, 05:45:31 PM: absolute sandman 4 is out this week

I know where my Christmas bonus is going

Sandman's good and I can always resell them - the Absolutes go out of print and increase in value immensely
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Post by: Eric P on November 07, 2008, 05:51:27 PM: the absolute SMs are just great stuff.

would love to see more in that vein from vertigo
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2008, 05:53:38 PM: Quote from: TVC 15 on November 07, 2008, 05:39:30 PM
Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on November 02, 2008, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on November 01, 2008, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: Greatness Gone on November 01, 2008, 03:07:22 PM
Vol. 1 of Sandman is pretty boring. Every other volume is amazing.

:heartbeat Season of Mists & A Game of You :heartbeat

Volume 1 has 24 Hours, you stupid slut.

Read it earlier today. Fuck awesome. IMO this volume seems rather episodic, with some hitting, others missing, and some being fuck awesome. The new artist who did that issue really impressed me. And the issue right after that one is awesome (Dee vs Morpheus).

Yeah, most of the other volumes are more arc-based. 2 of the volumes are collections of single issue stories, but the single issue stories are generally pretty great.

I'll probably get vol2 later this weekend

The Dee/ruby arc was definitely more interesting than the stuff that came before it, ie Morpheus finding his sand bag and helm; although the journey to hell was badass. But I loved Dee breaking out of prison, killing a lady who helped him (pretty shocking) and then causing total carnage at the diner before confronting Morpheus.

I wish I could find that schadenfreude pic of Dee casually looking at the diner, bodies (and heads) sprawled on the ground and in the booths
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Post by: TVC15 on November 07, 2008, 05:58:00 PM: Doll's House (vol 2) is motherfuck awesome. It has one of the coolest characters evar in it.

I just got Abs Sandman 3 last week. I'll be nabbing 4 on day 1. Does anyone know if it includes Endless Nights? Is that considered part of the official series?
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Post by: Greatness Gone on November 08, 2008, 01:32:37 AM: Who? Desire? :-\
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2008, 12:27:07 AM: I've been reading TDKR

...so yea, Miller sure does hate the academic librul crowd :lol

I'm not a fan of the small frames. I understand it's supposed to create a sense of motion but it serves to shrink the action for me.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 12, 2008, 12:32:22 AM: Quote from: Thanks But No Thanks on November 12, 2008, 12:27:07 AM
I'm not a fan of the small frames. I understand it's supposed to create a sense of motion but it serves to shrink the action for me.

try Chris Ware
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 12, 2008, 12:42:58 AM: Anyone check out that Bat-manga anthology yet? I saw it at Kinokuniya earlier today. Great packaging.

For those who don't know, a Batman manga was made by the creator of 8-Man in the 1960s.
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Post by: Greatness Gone on November 12, 2008, 12:46:23 AM: Yeah, Miller's stuff is totally trashy. Have you gotten the second volume of Sandman yet?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2008, 12:48:37 AM: Quote from: Greatness Gone on November 12, 2008, 12:46:23 AM
Yeah, Miller's stuff is totally trashy. Have you gotten the second volume of Sandman yet?

Nope. I'm gonna finish TDKR first (which I rented from the library).
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 12, 2008, 01:04:01 AM: what do you guys think of Warren Ellis? I liked Desolation Jones, but nothing else is jumping out at me...mostly because he has a ton of books out.
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Post by: Greatness Gone on November 12, 2008, 01:06:29 AM: Transmetropolitan is great.
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Post by: Debaser on November 12, 2008, 01:15:14 AM: Quote from: Kranz Fafka on November 12, 2008, 01:04:01 AM
what do you guys think of Warren Ellis? I liked Desolation Jones, but nothing else is jumping out at me...mostly because he has a ton of books out.

Read Transmetropolitan, Nextwave, his Authority (issues #1-12), and Crecy. Oh, and Planetary.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2008, 01:50:31 AM: Quote from: Debaser on November 12, 2008, 01:15:14 AM
Quote from: Kranz Fafka on November 12, 2008, 01:04:01 AM
what do you guys think of Warren Ellis? I liked Desolation Jones, but nothing else is jumping out at me...mostly because he has a ton of books out.

Read Transmetropolitan, Nextwave, his Authority (issues #1-12), and Crecy. Oh, and Planetary.

All good choices, except I've never heard of Crecy and am now wiki'ing furiously.
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Debaser on November 12, 2008, 02:06:12 AM: Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2008, 01:50:31 AM
Quote from: Debaser on November 12, 2008, 01:15:14 AM
Quote from: Kranz Fafka on November 12, 2008, 01:04:01 AM
what do you guys think of Warren Ellis? I liked Desolation Jones, but nothing else is jumping out at me...mostly because he has a ton of books out.

Read Transmetropolitan, Nextwave, his Authority (issues #1-12), and Crecy. Oh, and Planetary.

All good choices, except I've never heard of Crecy and am now wiki'ing furiously.

It's a big departure for Ellis. It's set in 1346, so he can't do his usual techno-fetishism routine, which is one of the reasons I like it. It's a nifty little history lesson with foul language and nice art.
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Post by: Eric P on November 12, 2008, 08:21:28 AM: Quote from: Debaser on November 12, 2008, 02:06:12 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2008, 01:50:31 AM
Quote from: Debaser on November 12, 2008, 01:15:14 AM
Quote from: Kranz Fafka on November 12, 2008, 01:04:01 AM
what do you guys think of Warren Ellis? I liked Desolation Jones, but nothing else is jumping out at me...mostly because he has a ton of books out.

Read Transmetropolitan, Nextwave, his Authority (issues #1-12), and Crecy. Oh, and Planetary.

All good choices, except I've never heard of Crecy and am now wiki'ing furiously.

It's a big departure for Ellis. It's set in 1346, so he can't do his usual techno-fetishism routine, which is one of the reasons I like it. It's a nifty little history lesson with foul language and nice art.

crecy is one of the better things he's done.
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Post by: GilloD on November 12, 2008, 12:06:53 PM: 100 Bullets
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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2008, 02:34:05 PM: What do you think of Batman's fat, farting self in TDKR Maurice? Do you like the dialogue?
Title: Re: Cultured fellows, what graphic novel should I read next
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2008, 03:35:32 PM: Seems forced at times, although generally I like the way Batman is written. He's this dude who used to be unstoppable before getting older, and I like the fact that for the most part the book is devoid of any idiotic "this used to be easier in the old days!" talk, at least not to the extent of say Indy4. I like the idea of examining Batman from a psychological standpoint and admitting that he's pretty fucked up in the head. His villains are all like him in some way or another, and perhaps he doesn't kill them because he knows he's nothing without them; interestingly he (as Bruce Wayne) supports the release of Two-Face from prison although he knows Harvey is just as incurable as he is.

The various "point counter-point" news segments aren't too far off from current reality, and Miller seems just as comfortable writing Gordon as Batman.
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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2008, 03:43:40 PM: Just wait till you see the Joker. I love that part of the book.