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Title: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2008, 06:57:08 PM
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Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4

System: PS2
Price: 39.99
Genre: Japanese RPG

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The game contents:



* - Whether or not the artbook will delay Persona 4 has not been determined, but it's not out yet until it's in our hands.

I also highly recommend this:

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For any Megaten player, Double Jump guides are always a life saver. Time is put heavily into trying create the best guide possible rather than fill it up with a bunch of pretty pictures -- although those are there too. Even if you rarely use guides for help like me, Double Jump's SMT guides are invaluable if only for their Fusion Charts and Guides.

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What's the story in Persona 4?
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Persona 4 revolves around a series of murders that have occurred in the town of Inaba. At the same time, you and a group of peers from school have strange powers awaken inside. You and your team mates decide to attempt stopping these murders with your newly received powers, both of which appear to be connected.

The game summary on various websites and reviews gives me personally, a Persona 2: Eternal Punishment vibe. Which is good. The soundtrack sounds like old Persona as well. Which is good.

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I didn't play Persona 3, would this be a good starting point for playing the series?
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Every Persona game aside from the two connected Persona 2's has its own self contained story. At most, and this is a guess, the only thing you'll miss are a couple of tie-ins that may be explained through the game anyway.

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I haven't played Persona 3, what's it like?
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Persona is a spin off series to the Shin Megami Tensei series developed by Atlus R&D1. This entry in particular bases most of its gameplay around the framework created in Persona 3, which was a drastic change from the typical Persona formula.

The game followed a sim-like structure, with multiple periods during the day. You go to school, chat and hang out with friends, and kill demons at night time. The game used a unique system for npc interaction system called Social Links which were essentially the bread and butter of the level up system.

Bosses appear only on specific dates, and it's up to you and your party to prepare for the upcoming boss by completing specific increments of a large tower called Tartarus. It's important to stay on top of your game before these nights so you can be prepared for the upcoming battle.

The unique mix of day (social links, stat maxing) and night (battling in the tower), and calendar system helped create an addicting formula that had players pining for "One more day..." in the wee hours of the morning.

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There have been two releases of Persona 3 in the past year. What is so different in Persona 4?
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Wow! Why should I buy this over the other games released this fall/winter?
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Persona 4 is the sequel to the game of the year 2007! It also costs 40 dollars and not 60.

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Media
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Images

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Videos

Game Intro (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37463.html)

Can you ride a bike and carry an umbrella at the same time? (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32362.html)

Exploration trailer (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/37440.html)

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Reviews
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TheTrin's *excellent* review (http://hdrlying.com/2008/08/07/review-persona-4/#more-406)

1up (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3171567&p=2&sec=REVIEWS)

RPGFan (http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/persona4/index.html)
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: littlemathletics on December 01, 2008, 07:09:06 PM
I may actually import this. I can't see it getting a release in Australia.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 01, 2008, 07:10:43 PM
Nobody cares. Kingdom Hearts Remake > Persona re-hash
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 01, 2008, 07:22:20 PM
Nobody cares. Kingdom Hearts Remake > Persona re-hash

Kingdom Hears is this week, Persona is next. Plenty of last gen love for both of these awesome titles.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 01, 2008, 07:22:52 PM
You do know both weeks fall under the same month right

Sorry, only room for one
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 01, 2008, 07:24:45 PM
I forgot Kingdom hearts was even coming out lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 01, 2008, 07:39:42 PM
You do know both weeks fall under the same month right

Sorry, only room for one

Actually, Gundam Musou 2 negates every other title this month for me.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Greatness Gone on December 01, 2008, 07:49:01 PM
This will have to wait until around Christmas day in my backlog because I need to finish Gears of War 2 and buy and beat Kingdom Hearts and Prince of Persia.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 07:51:18 PM
when is it out again?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 01, 2008, 07:54:40 PM
when is it out again?

Persona 4? Next week.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2008, 07:59:00 PM
I'll get this just as soon as I finish Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Last Remnant.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 08:07:44 PM
when is it out again?

Persona 4? Next week.

 :o  I'm still only half way though fes  :'(
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Greatness Gone on December 01, 2008, 08:08:46 PM
Persona 3 looked super distinguished mentally-challenged, so I didn't play it. The only SMT game I've played is Nocturne.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 08:12:41 PM
Persona 3 was awesome.


I met my the only girlfriend I ever had in persona 3.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 01, 2008, 08:19:05 PM
Persona 3 was awesome.


I met my the only girlfriend I ever had in persona 3.

was it yuko?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 08:27:05 PM
 Yukari  :-[
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 01, 2008, 08:27:51 PM
what a homo
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 08:29:53 PM
DON'T MAKE FUN OF ME, ALASKAN.  :maf
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Greatness Gone on December 01, 2008, 08:31:01 PM
I'd dress up as a hipster anibitch for you, mike.

I'd even grow my hair out so I could have double ponytails.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 08:34:10 PM
i am really starting to hate that girl with the bob haircut and the smirk and i haven't even played the game yet
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 08:35:12 PM
Have an outfit like this?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/star_of_heaven/BikiniArmor.jpg)
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2008, 08:36:36 PM
arvie, you are one ronery duder
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 01, 2008, 08:38:59 PM
hipsters  :heart
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 08:39:06 PM
so ronrey   :'(
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Greatness Gone on December 01, 2008, 08:39:12 PM
I only own 2 pairs of panties and a skirt.  :-\
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 01, 2008, 08:40:15 PM
This is the RPG I've been waiting for.  well, this and Fallout 3.  I will not put up with fantasy candyland animu bullshit for good gameplay, ToV. 

They fixed almost every single complaint I had about Persona 3.  Everything except the repetitive music, according to the 1up review.  I don't understand how R+D went from having the best music design in an RPG (Nocturne) to the worst (Persona 3.)  By music design, I don't mean the actual songs, but how they're applied.  Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 08:40:20 PM
pass



...Why do you own a skirt?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: tiesto on December 01, 2008, 08:43:29 PM
Gonna get this for Xmas, but then play Persona 3 on my break since I have yet to play it :P
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: tiesto on December 01, 2008, 08:44:31 PM
Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

Earthbound and Mother 3 do. And I agree, more RPGs should do this.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Greatness Gone on December 01, 2008, 08:51:56 PM
It's my sister's high school drill team outfit. She gave it to me on my birthday as some sort of hate crime joke.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2008, 08:54:20 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Fragamemnon on December 01, 2008, 08:56:24 PM
they need a LE edition of P4 with an included copy of microsoft project (to manage your time while working your relationships), complete with a custom made big-tittied anime demon girl helper instead of Clippy.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 01, 2008, 09:03:12 PM
This is the RPG I've been waiting for.  well, this and Fallout 3.  I will not put up with fantasy candyland animu bullshit for good gameplay, ToV. 

They fixed almost every single complaint I had about Persona 3.  Everything except the repetitive music, according to the 1up review.  I don't understand how R+D went from having the best music design in an RPG (Nocturne) to the worst (Persona 3.)  By music design, I don't mean the actual songs, but how they're applied.  Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

Lots of RPGs have rotating battle themes. Even Earthbound does. TLR has like 4 themes too.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 01, 2008, 09:47:32 PM
it's kinda weird that most RPGs still don't do this, though, even when they feature plenty of musical variety in other parts of the game.  Like Uematsu wrote 140 tracks for FF9 and yet only one of those is used for all the normal battles that consume at least a quarter of playtime.  I'd be curious to hear why --- I'm sure they have a reason as multiple battle themes must've been suggested at some point.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 01, 2008, 10:19:25 PM
they need a LE edition of P4 with an included copy of microsoft project (to manage your time while working your relationships), complete with a custom made big-tittied anime demon girl helper instead of Clippy.

the Japanese version comes with an animu agent, he's DA BESTO

spoiler (click to show/hide)
it's Son Goku
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spoiler (click to show/hide)
the Monkey King, not the Dragonballer
[close]
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 01, 2008, 10:42:04 PM
This is the RPG I've been waiting for.  well, this and Fallout 3.  I will not put up with fantasy candyland animu bullshit for good gameplay, ToV. 

They fixed almost every single complaint I had about Persona 3.  Everything except the repetitive music, according to the 1up review.  I don't understand how R+D went from having the best music design in an RPG (Nocturne) to the worst (Persona 3.)  By music design, I don't mean the actual songs, but how they're applied.  Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

Lots of RPGs have rotating battle themes. Even Earthbound does. TLR has like 4 themes too.

name a some more then if there are lots.  So far we've got mother 3, Earthbound, and TLR. with nocturne that makes a whopping 4.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 01, 2008, 11:09:47 PM
SaGa Frontier II, Breath of Fire, World Ends with You off the top of my head

I think Rudra's Treasure and Live a Live do as well.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 02, 2008, 01:23:13 AM
how could I forget TWEWY? those songs pop into my head randomly and without warning on a weekly basis.  Even takes it a step further by changing the field songs constantly too.  I'm not too big of a fan of that though.

back on topic, I'm rebuying a PS2 for this game as a graduation gift to myself. :)  The slims are like $70 at ebgames now, so that's a pretty good deal.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: trippingmartian on December 02, 2008, 04:16:34 AM
I was expecting the series to grow with its audience. It's skewing towards 14 year olds. In reality, I would have been embarrassed to play this at age 14.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: tiesto on December 02, 2008, 09:18:38 AM
I was expecting the series to grow with its audience. It's skewing towards 14 year olds. In reality, I would have been embarrassed to play this at age 14.

Nearly every game ever made skews towards 14 year olds though...
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2008, 12:26:40 PM
This is the RPG I've been waiting for.  well, this and Fallout 3.  I will not put up with fantasy candyland animu bullshit for good gameplay, ToV. 

They fixed almost every single complaint I had about Persona 3.  Everything except the repetitive music, according to the 1up review.  I don't understand how R+D went from having the best music design in an RPG (Nocturne) to the worst (Persona 3.)  By music design, I don't mean the actual songs, but how they're applied.  Nocturne had a different song for each area and rotating battle themes for every battle, which should be a genre-standard, yet I can't think of other games that do that.

Persona 4, iirc, listening to the ost there's multiple battle tracks like in the others
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 02, 2008, 12:28:09 PM
I was expecting the series to grow with its audience. It's skewing towards 14 year olds. In reality, I would have been embarrassed to play this at age 14.

you've got to be kidding me.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 08, 2008, 01:53:32 PM
rpgamer has a good review up (4.5/5)
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/persona/persona4/reviews/persona4strev1.html

heres the most negative stuff they had to say
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One of the worst changes, however, is what has become of "Shuffle Time," the card mini-game that appears after battles. While Persona 3 regularly supplied cash, weapons, armor, and healing in addition to new personas, the new "Shuffle Time" only provides personas. Furthermore, many of the cards are blank, and in some cases, even penalize the player by cancelling all experience and money earned during the battle. The method in which players choose cards is also much more frustrating, as it usually involves precise timing rather than memory.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 08, 2008, 02:13:06 PM
rpgamer has a good review up (4.5/5)
http://www.rpgamer.com/games/persona/persona4/reviews/persona4strev1.html

heres the most negative stuff they had to say
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One of the worst changes, however, is what has become of "Shuffle Time," the card mini-game that appears after battles. While Persona 3 regularly supplied cash, weapons, armor, and healing in addition to new personas, the new "Shuffle Time" only provides personas. Furthermore, many of the cards are blank, and in some cases, even penalize the player by cancelling all experience and money earned during the battle. The method in which players choose cards is also much more frustrating, as it usually involves precise timing rather than memory.

It's not that hard.  You get the hang of the timing and then you get what you want like in P3.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2008, 02:33:48 PM
Tomorrow!  One last round of homojapuality for me and then it's on to Crimmus, my 360 and the Wasteland of Fallout 3.  Can't wait!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Costanza on December 08, 2008, 03:48:55 PM
Should have this tomorrow. My amazon order is "shipping soon"
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 08, 2008, 11:01:43 PM
My copy arrived today. I'll probably check for bugs on the 80GB PS3s before booting it up.

The art book is pretty cheap-looking by the way.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Costanza on December 09, 2008, 01:31:17 AM
My copy arrived today.

lucky :(
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2008, 02:47:58 AM
TOMORROW
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2008, 09:56:46 AM
Does anyone know if GS will get this today or tomorrow? 
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Costanza on December 09, 2008, 10:11:54 AM
Does anyone know if GS will get this today or tomorrow? 

From what I've heard on GAF, they should have it today.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Jansen on December 09, 2008, 12:01:18 PM
The art book is pretty cheap-looking by the way.

well that's disappointing to hear.

looks like ups will deliver my copy tomorrow.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 09, 2008, 12:15:43 PM
I didn't get the call from Gamestop's automated caller last night, so I'm guess we don't get it in Seattle until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 09, 2008, 12:20:32 PM
Will probably pick this up some time in the future.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 09, 2008, 01:36:05 PM
Just called the Gamestop where I preordered. It's in, but for some reason I didn't get the call. Time to go pick it up after work!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2008, 01:50:03 PM
Just called the Gamestop where I preordered. It's in, but for some reason I didn't get the call. Time to go pick it up after work!

Same here!  Grumble grumble.  Well, off to pick it up in a second, then it's off to sticksville Japan.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 09, 2008, 02:04:20 PM
Just called the Gamestop where I preordered. It's in, but for some reason I didn't get the call. Time to go pick it up after work!

Same here!  Grumble grumble.  Well, off to pick it up in a second, then it's off to sticksville Japan.

Gamestop is really random about calling me about preorders. They called me about MGS4 and Prince of Persia, but didn't call me for Resistance 2 and Valkyria Chronicles.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 09, 2008, 02:04:45 PM
Well, off to pick it up in a second, then it's off to sticksville Japan.

Good thing you're doing this IRL, because that's what the first fifteen minutes of the game is about. :lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2008, 07:39:59 PM
Got my copy today.

Longest game session where all I did was tap X to go on to the next text box, like, ever.

But the first boss is fun. It's hard to give an impression when the intro is like 2-3 + hours of nothing but pressing x, but the story and characters are really interesting, the boss battle was fun, and the music is ownage.

The translation and dialogue, I think, feel like a step up from P3, but it's still too early to tell. But now the classroom actually feels more like a classroom due to students running around, and the characters have these quirks like Yosuke grabbing his nads all the time or Chie doing her kung fu shit. It feels less canned, compared to P3, I guess?

The story does feel like a mix between P2: EP and P3, which is pretty refreshing.

Back to pressing X!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2008, 08:11:11 PM
I'm probably about where you are, Himu. 

So far pretty good.  With my limited playtime so far, I'd have to say that the characters seem more likable in this one, and the dialog is definitely better.  Teddie can be a little off-putting at first, but you have to know that they de-lamed him something fierce from the Japanese version.

So far I'd have to agree with the 1up review on this- if Persona 3 was Harry Potter in the city, Persona 4 looks like Scooby Doo in the sticks.  Chie even looks like Velma, and Yosuke is a ringer for Shaggy.  The chick from the inn is Daphne, I guess, and the main character (I always name my characters "Turd Ferguson") would be Fred. 
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 09, 2008, 09:21:37 PM
I'm a bit further into the game than you guys (7+ hours in). As someone who wasn't really that impressed with P3/FES (liked it overall!), I gotta say Persona 4 is a step in the right direction both gameplay and character design-wise. I can tell that trudging through the game will be a lot sweeter as I couldn't even play P3 for more than 3 hours straight.

Still has a shitty exploration camera though.  :maf
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 01:40:59 AM
I'm liking these small, sometimes subtle changes to the P3 formula that ultimately make the gameplay more interesting.

1. You can only do dungeon crawling, at least so far, in the afternoon. so this means choosing between doing an S link, raising stats, doing a job, or doing the dungeon.

2. Since the game is based around weather, there's more tension since weather is more random, as opposed to the moon cycle. So since there's more tension - there's not a whole month to plan out my activities like in P3 - I have to weigh in and deduce what I want to do every single day in P4 so far to make it count. I'm watching the weather like a hawk.

3. The dungeon crawling actually feels like dungeon crawling. Traps from chests, huge floor labyrinths that don't take 10 seconds to clear like in P3, chests seem to appear less and drop less important stuff like in P3. There's no easy access to the bottom floor any more either and when you do hit the bottom floor your hp/sp aren't refilled. If you're in the dungeon and forget to buy the item that lets you teleport out...good luck. I forgot to get one on my last adventure through the dungeon I'm in. I started to panic because I had zero sp, I was running low on items, so I ran downstairs until I reached the first floor. Because enemies are harder to avoid now this made things scary for me, honestly. Little did I know that later on you can find save points that act as Terminals that take you back to the ground floor, but my point still stands. Compared to P3's relatively easy beginning, it feels like day and night.

4. Things just feel more balanced in general. I mean, in P3 you'd be dead pressed to NOT get a player advantage every battle. It was that simple. But in P4 due to the size of the enemies, the extremely SMALL corridors, it's not only hard to avoid them but also get player advantages. I'm also loving the new Shuffle Time.

Due to the time constraints and limit, the fact items cost wayyyy more now (I'm not sure if I accidentally put it on expert mode or what yet), and the amount of stuff you can do in one day P4 is already starting to feel more tense than the laid back atmosphere in P3.

I'm really glad they brought back the things I love about SMT too, like the "there's something behind this door, go in?" or enemy reinforcements...which are always fun when you're low on supplies.

So far I'm pretty satisfied, but I still haven't died yet. Then again, I'm just about ready to fight this dungeon's boss so we'll see.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2008, 02:35:20 AM
Yeah, it does feel like it's been fine tuned to a better, more even challenge. 

My one minor complaint so far is the wonky camera in the dungeons.  Sometimes it's hard to turn a corner and hit an enemy before they get you- in fact since you're stuck with 2 handed swords as your weapon this time, it's harder to time the hit on the enemies.  I always used one handed swords in P3 because it was easier to time the initial hit.

I guess I am trying to rush things in the first real dungeon- since you don't know for sure when you need to save this daffy bitch, I feel like I need to rush things.  It's only April 20th and I made it to the boss, lolz.  But since I made it with only like two sp restoring items and everybody half dead (and I think the bigger issue was that my personas kind of sucked) I eventually got beat down.  I wanted to make sure that I'll have time to save this dumb girl without trying to rush, so I checked:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You have until the 29th
[close]

Overall a slight improvement over FES, which is saying something.  It helps that the game looks a little better, the dungeons aren't monotonous and boring, and that the characters are more sympathetic this time around.  Also, being part of the save the world secret club isn't as cool as trying to solve a murder mystery, so P4 has that going for it too.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 10, 2008, 02:40:01 AM
Holy fuck I can't tell Triumph and Himu apart any more.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 02:41:35 AM
The instant travel thing really relieves a lot of headaches. When you play a game for 100 hours, sometimes traveling back and forth is annoying, and this feature is making things stress free for me already.

Also, how the hell is it possible to do a player advantage? lol The rules seem different from P3. Sometimes I hit their back, no go. Sometimes I hit their front, I get a player advantage.

Holy fuck I can't tell Triumph and Himu apart any more.

Nothing wrong with getting your homojapual on every once in awhile.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2008, 02:57:57 AM
Holy fuck I can't tell Triumph and Himu apart any more.

Don't worry, I'm getting the homojapuality out of my system by Crimmus, I'm being gifted with a shiny Samsung HDTV and plan on diving into the wonderful world of Fallout 3 immediately on December 26th.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 10, 2008, 03:05:34 AM
Himuro, advantage mainly depends on the level IIRC.  When you get stronger than the enemies you'll get them even if you run into them.  When the enemy is stronger you'll usually just not get jumped when you get a good slash in.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 03:12:20 AM
lol just beat the third boss. that was fun. not as hard as people hyped it up to be though.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Debaser on December 10, 2008, 03:40:41 AM
lol just beat the third boss. that was fun. not as hard as people hyped it up to be though.

The fourth boss is kicking my ass right now though. It's got two helpers and it's a rough time trying to null their buffs, keep myself healed, and get my licks in. I might need to fuse a Persona with a second-tier single-target spell to put more concentrated offense onto one of the helpers.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 10, 2008, 03:41:33 AM
Yeah I had trouble with the first boss too; I didn't buy too much healing items and such (wtf @ not being able to buy items that heal SP) and subsequently got destroyed.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 09:22:57 AM
lol just beat the third boss. that was fun. not as hard as people hyped it up to be though.

The fourth boss is kicking my ass right now though. It's got two helpers and it's a rough time trying to null their buffs, keep myself healed, and get my licks in. I might need to fuse a Persona with a second-tier single-target spell to put more concentrated offense onto one of the helpers.

Awesome. :rock
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 10, 2008, 09:29:38 AM
Holy fuck I can't tell Triumph and Himu apart any more.

LOL you know?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 11:03:27 AM
I'm liking the game a lot, of course, but it doesn't have the same impact as P3 did since that game was fresh and new. Not that I'm complaining, I'm just surprised I like Fallout 3 more.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 10, 2008, 02:34:19 PM
Shin Megami Tensei Videodrome

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I played for like an hour last night, and I hadn't gotten to parts I could really play yet
[close]
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 02:36:27 PM
debaser: is Izunagi is as disposable as Orpheus was? I've fused him into a few Persona already but I actually find him worth keeping because of his buffs/debuffs. He proves to be quite useful, unlike the shitty Orpheus.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Debaser on December 10, 2008, 02:40:09 PM
debaser: is Izunagi is as disposable as Orpheus was? I've fused him into a few Persona already but I actually find him worth keeping because of his buffs/debuffs. He proves to be quite useful, unlike the shitty Orpheus.

I kept Orpheus longer than I kept Izanagi, cause Orpheus had that Fusion Spell with Apsaras that was useful for a long time. But since P4 doesn't have Fusion Spells, I didn't feel a need to keep him. Just make sure you fuse the buffs you like off to the new Persona if they're important to you.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 02:42:25 PM
Ah. I've already done that, but i've been holding out on keeping Izanagi because I assumed P4 had fusion spells.

Consider him wasted. I put all of his awesome buffs on my lovely Valkyrie, who also has media and skull crash or whatever. Basically my Valkyrie is awesome.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Jansen on December 10, 2008, 05:38:38 PM
damn the art book is a cheap pos

i should've known it wouldn't be nice like persona 3s was considering the price
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 05:39:50 PM
damn the art book is a cheap pos

i should've known it wouldn't be nice like persona 3s was considering the price


Are you serious.

P3's artbook wasn't all that hot. P4's artbook is way better, plus it is 100 pages and came with the game for free.

How can anyone complain about something they got for free?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: hyp on December 10, 2008, 05:45:24 PM
ugh my copy still hasn't arrived from amazon. 
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 10, 2008, 05:49:29 PM
ugh my copy still hasn't arrived from amazon. 

when did you order, I bought mine from them the day before it was out and its shipped saying it will be here saturday
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Jansen on December 10, 2008, 06:12:13 PM
p3s was better because it was hardbound. hardbound > this shitty strategy guide style crap

i expected better because this was a preorder incentive from  :bow ATLUS :bow2

ffs i got a cheapo artbook like this when i picked up suikoden 4 :lol

anyways, not a big deal. was just commenting on its shittyness since i have yet to play the game lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 06:13:45 PM
It was hardbound but it was the size of an asian man penis.

Oh man don't remind me of Suiko IV's artbook. P4's is way better than that trash. P4's is 100 pages!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Jansen on December 10, 2008, 06:17:17 PM
true, but i like the fact that it is durable
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 06:19:27 PM
Oh, of course it was! They delayed the game a month for that artbook! It better last long after all that!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2008, 06:41:49 PM
haha, look at you fegs whining about artbooks.  Play the game, bitches!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 10, 2008, 06:43:57 PM
Don't forget that not only did you get a free artbook, but also a free soundtrack CD.  Of course, if the soundtrack is anything like P3, you'd probably be better off listening to like, the Jonas Brothers or even Chinese Democracy.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2008, 06:49:39 PM
Man my persona roster right now ain't half bad. Thanks to Izanagi every persona in my roster now has some good early game buffs. I made Jack Frost on the day of a weather forcecast and he learned fire resist as a result. My guys are awesome.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 11, 2008, 02:30:00 AM
Man, I know himu whipped out his cock and started sprayin' when Yukiko started talking about her "lacy unmentionables."

Also, I want to l fuck Teddie so hard.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 11, 2008, 02:35:44 AM
I've decided from this thread that the only thing to do now is buy this and play the shit out of it over Christmas break. And it's so cheap!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2008, 08:49:07 AM
2nd dungeon spoiler:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kanji's quest for cock is fucking hilarious
[close]

It's interesting to see a game with a homosexual character and not treat them as effeminate cock ticklers with the gay accent and everything.

I got Chie's S link rank up to a good level and she learned the biggest most bad ass move ever. When an enemy is knocked down, sometimes she'll kick another enemy into the sky. It's so awesome. Chie > Yukari
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2008, 09:23:45 AM
Yeah, the Bathhouse dungeon is quite hilarious. 

There are really a lot of minor improvements over P3 that just add up in this game:

-The fact that the dungeons are so different from one to the other keeps me from zoning out.
-It's actually a bit of a challenge to get a preemptive attack now.
-Characters are more likable, by and large.
-Having S. Links with all of your teammates makes more sense, and getting tangible benefits in battle is awesome.

Does anyone know where Yosuke hangs out for his S. Links tho?  Can't seem to find him.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2008, 09:34:48 AM
He hangs on the second floor of the school near the classroom on some days.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2008, 12:11:02 AM
Oh man, the boss of the second dungeon is classic SMT. Excellent boss. Beat him after a few tries. Had to level up a bit though.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 12, 2008, 12:45:18 AM
kanji is awesome
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2008, 10:10:59 AM
Oh man, the boss of the second dungeon is classic SMT. Excellent boss. Beat him after a few tries. Had to level up a bit though.

Yeah, I don't usually like bothering with buffs/debuffs but with him you kind of HAVE to or he'll wreck your sorry ass. 

Is anyone else using the option to give each party member their commands or do you have it set P3 style?  I've found that you can usually muddle through the first couple levels of a dungeon without setting everyone to individual commands, but higher up it gets more difficult.  Also, in P3 I kind of used Turd (the MC) to hit ALL of the weaknesses, but since you don't get your SP refreshed by going back to the lobby now it makes more sense to give everybody commands so as to more effectively conserve SP and exploit weaknesses.

Really, the game is much better than P3 in just about ever way.  Fuck, even demi would like Teddie.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2008, 10:33:25 AM
I agree with everything in that post.

Dude, when he cast that thunder spell cast that hit the whole party I was starting to panic. lol Fucking Yosuke and his thunder weakness...but the second time he did that spell, Yosuke dodged it. :rock Yosuke :rock
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2008, 10:45:27 AM
What level are you guys? I'm level 25 for all characters. Last night I was like level 18 and since the difficulty of the boss I started to grind, but I couldn't stop. every time I saw what spell the character was going to get next I was all,"I'M GETTING THAT." Agilao really helped a lot against the boss. Rampage and Assault Drive are swoon.

Too bad Yosuke's skill set kinda sucks now.

Persona goals today: level up King Frost, finish Jack Frost's skill set, make a Matador.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 12, 2008, 02:00:24 PM
got my copy from amazon :hyper

the artbooks pretty coo
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
My characters are all in the 32-35 range.  I'm about to fight the boss in the stripclub, which is the next stage after the bathhouse.  I wonder what they'll do for an encore- hopefully the next stage will be called "TVC's fuckdumpster".
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 12, 2008, 05:22:14 PM
mr morooka is an amusing teacher, constantly insulting his students :lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2008, 11:16:31 PM
mr morooka is an amusing teacher, constantly insulting his students :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
He dies!  :shh
[close]
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 12, 2008, 11:22:47 PM
interesting

so how many rainy days exactly does it take to make fog, cause like there is a rainy day shortly after yukiko goes missing and chie gets her persona and i dont want to game over here
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 12, 2008, 11:42:43 PM
2 hour intro  :'(

but at least it was interesting, unlike mgs4

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2008, 12:09:18 AM
interesting

so how many rainy days exactly does it take to make fog, cause like there is a rainy day shortly after yukiko goes missing and chie gets her persona and i dont want to game over here

It takes at least 2-3 days of solid rain.  You should be fine.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 13, 2008, 01:07:23 AM
you have until 4/29

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 13, 2008, 03:48:56 AM
beat at level 14, a close call though
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Third on December 13, 2008, 11:49:44 AM
Finally got the game and played for two and a half hours straight.

Game is pretty good and I like the characters a lot. Still haven't got into much action WTF?
But the intro was amusing still.

The detective looks a lot like Junpei too.

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2008, 05:49:22 PM
Dojima is awesome.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 13, 2008, 07:28:18 PM
oh man 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
that midnight channel with kanji was HILARIOUS
[close]

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2008, 09:08:59 PM
kanji owns
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2008, 10:19:14 PM
kanji owns

You think Kanji is cool, wait until you get

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Teddie!
[close]
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 13, 2008, 10:20:32 PM
Do characters tire in this game? I'm on floor 6 of Yukiko's Castle on my first go.

Also, in P3, pressing L1 and waiting a turn or so would give you the enemy weakness. Does teddie not call you up with the win button?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 13, 2008, 10:22:38 PM
not like in p3 I dont think so

when you get back home after a day of dungeon crawling all you can do it sleep though ( no studying/ oddjobs), good to go the next day

press l1 then select a monster and press x to check it, it doesnt waste a turn, it will have question marks for elements you havent tried
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2008, 10:23:00 PM
Do characters tire in this game? I'm on floor 6 of Yukiko's Castle on my first go.

Nope!  No more tiring.  The trade off is that if you leave and go back to the lobby your hp/sp don't replenish so you can really only go so far unless you want to pay that damn fox off.  You'll see later in the game.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2008, 10:25:54 PM
kanji owns

You think Kanji is cool, wait until you get

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Teddie!
[close]

But he's not a bisexual badass.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2008, 01:20:03 AM
teddie is annoying as fuck...easily worse than fuuka.  who thought it would be a good idea to have the supporter react to your every move with some annoying line (again)?   glad you can turn off voices in this one. 
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 14, 2008, 01:48:08 AM
ya, i agree sometimes it bothers me
mostly just when you knock down single enemies one by one, he says the same thing 3 or 4 times in row
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2008, 01:56:37 AM
yeah, that was the breaking point.  that and he's voiced by some annoying default anime comic relief character VA.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 14, 2008, 01:59:22 AM
Gahhh RPGs are so punishing. I just lost hours of progress. That really snaps my will to keep playing. I mean, I guess I didn't lose like....a TON considering I wasn't too far, but just the thought of sitting through those battles and that exposition and stuff again....

Atlus needs to be smacked for this worse-than-kh2 level intro.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 14, 2008, 02:00:27 AM
Gahhh RPGs are so punishing. I just lost hours of progress. That really snaps my will to keep playing. I mean, I guess I didn't lose like....a TON considering I wasn't too far, but just the thought of sitting through those battles and that exposition and stuff again....

Atlus needs to be smacked for this worse-than-kh2 level intro.

hours?

How does that even happen in P4?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2008, 02:03:20 AM
oh shi-- you didn't save at all through the intro?  ouch.  well, if you have to do it again, I think triangle fast forwards.

this game has a particularly brutal opening.  I think it's about 3 hours when all is said and done and the gameplay begins. even for SMT, that's asking a lot. 
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 14, 2008, 02:04:26 AM
Gahhh RPGs are so punishing. I just lost hours of progress. That really snaps my will to keep playing. I mean, I guess I didn't lose like....a TON considering I wasn't too far, but just the thought of sitting through those battles and that exposition and stuff again....

Atlus needs to be smacked for this worse-than-kh2 level intro.

hours?

How does that even happen in P4?

Just keep doing floor after floor after floor and then do a bunch of school stuff and then hit the boss thinking "oh im so overleveled i'll be fine."

If you turn on autoadvancing text, excepting three parts in the entire intro, it would play itself.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Bebpo on December 14, 2008, 02:08:08 AM
Just keep doing floor after floor after floor and then do a bunch of school stuff and then hit the boss thinking "oh im so overleveled i'll be fine."

Shouldn't you have the opportunity to save between school and dungeon?  I save ALL THE TIME in rpgs and I don't remember losing more than 30 mins max.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 14, 2008, 02:09:00 AM
Just keep doing floor after floor after floor and then do a bunch of school stuff and then hit the boss thinking "oh im so overleveled i'll be fine."

Shouldn't you have the opportunity to save between school and dungeon?  I save ALL THE TIME in rpgs and I don't remember losing more than 30 mins max.
Oh, you definitely have the opportunity. Twas arrogance that did me in.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: cool breeze on December 14, 2008, 02:20:44 AM
Losing 30+ minutes of progress is the worst.  I remember in IU there is one section near the end where I was on the verge of death after an hour of nonstop no save fighting.  If I actually did die I would have quit right then and there.

only a few more days of finals then I can start Persona 4
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 14, 2008, 02:36:59 AM
Losing 30+ minutes of progress is the worst.  I remember in IU there is one section near the end where I was on the verge of death after an hour of nonstop no save fighting.  If I actually did die I would have quit right then and there.

only a few more days of finals then I can start Persona 4

Funny, I am at that part now - Underwater Palace - and I am annihilating anything in my path at Level 51. Sounds like you just SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: cool breeze on December 14, 2008, 02:41:12 AM
I don't think I was even close to level 51 at that point.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 14, 2008, 02:57:28 AM
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 14, 2008, 03:44:20 AM
devil arcana s.link is interesting

familiar voice too
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 14, 2008, 04:32:41 AM
my save file said it was corrupted when I tried loading it but then I tried it again and it loaded fine. DON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 14, 2008, 04:34:15 AM
using a ps3? save multiple files

their is a long standing save bug for the ps3 that has yet to be done away with

its not persona specific but ive had it happen for both games already
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 14, 2008, 04:38:08 AM
Thanks for the tip. I'll back up the virtual memory cards I have just to be sure too.

Doubt that Sony's working on the bug, or anything related to backwards-compatibility, so I guess I'll have to live with it.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2008, 02:27:01 PM
teddie is annoying as fuck...easily worse than fuuka.  who thought it would be a good idea to have the supporter react to your every move with some annoying line (again)?   glad you can turn off voices in this one. 

I'm gonna have to rape you with a chainsaw, duder.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2008, 02:27:16 PM
teddie is fuck awesome, stfu.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 14, 2008, 04:12:56 PM
Yukiko is the submissive dirty type. I bet she enjoys doing it in intriguing sexual positions.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 14, 2008, 05:45:31 PM
You guys have convinced me to pick this game up.  I just finished Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon and was looking for a quality lengthy JRPG to settle in with over the holidays (hurray for being unemployed with no job interviews until mid Jan).
I've never played a MegaTen game before and all my excuses for not picking up P3 seem to have been addressed in P4.  Looking forward to digging into this.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 14, 2008, 06:11:29 PM
Any tips for a first time MegaTen player?  Things that are taken for granted by people who've played the previous games, etc?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 14, 2008, 06:18:06 PM
well you might be confused by the skill names, which are very megaten

garu = wind
bufu = ice
agi = fire
zio = volt
megido = non elemental

then theres different levels of each, like agilao then agidyne and so on
press the square button to get more info on a skill
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 14, 2008, 06:24:39 PM
Any tips for a first time MegaTen player?  Things that are taken for granted by people who've played the previous games, etc?

Don't play this and play Digital Devil Saga instead
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 14, 2008, 06:27:02 PM
well you might be confused by the skill names, which are very megaten

Yeah, that did throw me for a loop for a while.  Until I did something I haven't done with a game in ages... I actually opened the instruction booklet.  It includes a chart of skills and items as well as Fusion Table.

What general approach should I take in fusing?  Should I be pretty conservative or just go all out and experiment with Fusion?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 14, 2008, 06:33:58 PM
Any tips for a first time MegaTen player?  Things that are taken for granted by people who've played the previous games, etc?

Don't play this and play Digital Devil Saga instead

Well, I'm already a few hours into this game (and I FINALLY get to go explore the school and town!) so I'm going to stick this out.  However, if I like this I'll definitely explore the other megaten games and check out DDS.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 14, 2008, 06:36:51 PM
DDS is more traditional than Persona is, so if you don't like the japasimfest that is Persona 3/4 then feel free to treat yourself to a much enjoyable experience with DDS
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 14, 2008, 06:45:20 PM
DDS is more traditional than Persona is, so if you don't like the japasimfest that is Persona 3/4 then feel free to treat yourself to a much enjoyable experience with DDS

I don't mind the japaneseyness so much... it's more the fact that all the characters are in high school that's taking some getting used to.  But I think I'll stick with it, it doesn't seem too emo yet... and hey, if I could put up with Crisis Core's over the top emu crap, I think I'll be ok with P4.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Third on December 14, 2008, 07:24:07 PM
Just clocked 10 hours in and I've only finished the first dungeon.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
just saved yukiko
[close]

Damn, I'm already in love with this game. There goes my free time...  :-\

The music in P3 was better, though. Imo.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2008, 08:09:27 PM
teddie is annoying as fuck...easily worse than fuuka.  who thought it would be a good idea to have the supporter react to your every move with some annoying line (again)?   glad you can turn off voices in this one. 

I'm gonna have to rape you with a chainsaw, duder.

teddie is fuck awesome, stfu.


i don't understand how grown men just don't have any standards when it comes to va (something you're supposed to develop over years of watching halfway decent movies) but w/e sensei!  you're right, he's sensei-sational!

it goes past va though...if it comes from japan, there will be a distinguished mentally-challenged sidekick.  the curse continues.



Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2008, 08:12:35 PM
whoops wrong thread
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2008, 08:38:19 PM
What general approach should I take in fusing?  Should I be pretty conservative or just go all out and experiment with Fusion?

It's best to fuse every few floors, I think. When you get a new Persona in the shuffle time, stock up on new Personas, take them down to Igor and try em out.

When it comes to fusion, I think it's most advisable to have a few specific types at one time. That way you can overcome any situation and not be thrown for a loop. ie: have a agi persona, garu persona, bufu persona, and zio persona. Even better is a persona that has all 4 elemental types - which you can mostly only make through fusion experimentation. Physical (attack) based persona are also great, because some have null or repel when it comes to physical attacks. That means every time someone hits you with that persona equipped you block or send back their attack. Very useful, especially on the boss of the second dungeon. Later in the game it's advisable to make, on top of the four basic elemental Personas, light and dark based personas so you can cover your ass and not get a game over whenever a shadow hits you with an instant death spell. But it's still quite early for that so...

Also, one other tip is to make use of buffs and debuffs.

There are two types of buffs in the Shin Megami Tensei games: unda and kaja spells.

Kaja - buff which strengthens a character or the whole party
Unda - debuff, which lowers enemy power

Notable starter buffs/debuffs:

Rakukaja - Improve defense
Rakunda - Lower defense
Sukukaja - Improve hit and evasion
Sukunda - Lowers hit and evasion
Tarukaja - Improves attack power
Tarunda - Lowers attack power
Dekunda - Nullfies all stat changes (buffs/debuffs) on party
Dakaja - Nullfies all stat changes on enemy

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Debaser on December 14, 2008, 08:41:21 PM
When it comes to fusion, I think it's most advisable to have a few specific types at one time. That way you can overcome any situation and not be thrown for a loop. ie: have a agi persona, garu persona, bufu persona, and zio persona. Even better is a persona that has all 4 elemental types - which you can mostly only make through fusion experimentation.

This is more of a P3 approach than a P4 approach. In P3, you needed to be The Man who could strike any conceivable weakness an enemy might have, because you couldn't really trust your teammates to do it when you needed them to. But in P4, if you have manual control on, you only really need to fuse stuff that'll fill holes in your team's overall capabilities. Like if you have Yosuke around, you don't need to be strict about having Dekaja or wind skills "just in case."
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2008, 08:43:04 PM
When it comes to fusion, I think it's most advisable to have a few specific types at one time. That way you can overcome any situation and not be thrown for a loop. ie: have a agi persona, garu persona, bufu persona, and zio persona. Even better is a persona that has all 4 elemental types - which you can mostly only make through fusion experimentation.

This is more of a P3 approach than a P4 approach. In P3, you needed to be The Man who could strike any conceivable weakness an enemy might have, because you couldn't really trust your teammates to do it when you needed them to. But in P4, if you have manual control on, you only really need to fuse stuff that'll fill holes in your team's overall capabilities. Like if you have Yosuke around, you don't need to be strict about having Dekaja or wind skills "just in case."

That's true. I'm just a very cautious man.

I'll admit that in P4 so far, the MC knowing the buffs and debuffs or whatever status related crap is far more important him having an assortment of different types of Persona. It's mostly because since you now can't refill your mp at any time, you have to be cautious with your mp usage. So spreading your mp among different characters is better than one person mostly kicking ass like in P3.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2008, 08:52:50 PM
Debaser, this may be a stupid question but how is xp spread to your mia party members? Like I now have Ryo Hazuki, Chie, Yukiko, and Kanji as my party but I don't want Yosuke to be behind. Does he level up with the rest of the party or am I gonna have to grind him later on?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Don Flamenco on December 14, 2008, 09:04:46 PM
do a fight without him and see if the number next to his exp is higher than it was before the fight.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2008, 10:11:35 PM
Debaser, this may be a stupid question but how is xp spread to your mia party members? Like I now have Ryo Hazuki, Chie, Yukiko, and Kanji as my party but I don't want Yosuke to be behind. Does he level up with the rest of the party or am I gonna have to grind him later on?

You're gonna have to grind him, characters in battle don't gain xp.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2008, 07:33:03 PM
Not a big fan of dungeon 3. I mean, the actual dungeon was cool but the bosses sucked. Too easy, took too long to kill;etc.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2008, 07:35:33 PM
devil is the best slink
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 14, 2008, 10:34:32 PM
30 hours in now

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that third dungeon (rise's) boss was long as fuck,  wasnt hard but yeah does giant teddie take forever to kill.
anyway flat teddie was awesome and human teddie is even better. glad rise is the new person to hear in battle or whatever.

saved right before finals, someone give me the answers (lol)
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I feel like im missing a few arcana s.links how many are there, someone gimme a list
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2008, 11:28:26 PM
The fourth dungeon OWNS.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 15, 2008, 06:03:09 AM
OK... now that I'm about 16 hours into my first SMT game...
I'm officially addicted.  At first the day structure annoyed me because i wanted to do more during the day.  But now I realize the bite size days are exactly what makes the pacing of the game so awesome... this is ultimately what will keep me interested for the 100+ hours this game supposedly lasts.
The gameplay elements aren't anything spectacular in and of themselves... the combat system seems pretty basic so far... no complaints though.  I'm really digging the story so far.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 15, 2008, 09:12:44 AM
30 hours in now

spoiler (click to show/hide)
that third dungeon (rise's) boss was long as fuck,  wasnt hard but yeah does giant teddie take forever to kill.
anyway flat teddie was awesome and human teddie is even better. glad rise is the new person to hear in battle or whatever.

saved right before finals, someone give me the answers (lol)
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I feel like im missing a few arcana s.links how many are there, someone gimme a list

s links:  http://persona4.wikidot.com/slink

Finals answers

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to hang
hamlet

man-yoshu
socrates

insect repellant
jealousy of superior

melons
nautical dawn is the brightest
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I only know that because I actually wrote down the answers.  Couldn't find them ANYWHERE on the internets and I wanted a good score so I could boost my s links and get more phat loot from Dojima.  But in the end I remembered all of them from previous questions, most of which I got wrong when they were asked lol.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 15, 2008, 09:54:22 PM
s links:  http://persona4.wikidot.com/slink

Finals answers

spoiler (click to show/hide)
to hang
hamlet

man-yoshu
socrates

insect repellant
jealousy of superior

melons
nautical dawn is the brightest
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I only know that because I actually wrote down the answers.  Couldn't find them ANYWHERE on the internets and I wanted a good score so I could boost my s links and get more phat loot from Dojima.  But in the end I remembered all of them from previous questions, most of which I got wrong when they were asked lol.

thanks for the answers they are 100% correct, good job

now im currently at the fourth dungeon boss who is kinda tough, I got a game over at least.
Mostly because he uses gigadyne which devastates most of my party. i notice he doesnt use it if you dont let him rebuild his defense though, which only happened because i was busy healing instead of attacking during that process

tips welcome for that, i believe Im around level 38 or so.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Third on December 15, 2008, 09:59:06 PM
I'm now lvl 19 and am 13 hours in. Compendium is only at 7%.
I remember sucking at persona "breeding" in P3 also. I just never take the time to fuse personae at the beginning...

Playing it on normal by the way. No way I'm touching the hardest mode.

When can I finally carry more persona? At lvl 20?

Oh and some of the arcana changes are nasty. I got a less EXP curse. Shit, the battles only give you 1 EXP. Lasted only 6 battles though...
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 15, 2008, 11:31:07 PM
compendium 25% for me

30 hours in, in august.that's pretty damn fast compared to p3 I think. that's half way through the game isn't it? Doesn't the game end in december?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Debaser on December 15, 2008, 11:41:09 PM
now im currently at the fourth dungeon boss who is kinda tough, I got a game over at least.
Mostly because he uses gigadyne which devastates most of my party. i notice he doesnt use it if you dont let him rebuild his defense though, which only happened because i was busy healing instead of attacking during that process

tips welcome for that, i believe Im around level 38 or so.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
My Black Frost was invaluable. He drains two elements and is weak to none, so you've got a 50% chance of his Ma- elemental attack healing you and a 0% chance of hitting your MC's weak spot. He'll also have Agidyne, and the Fool link should be enough to get him the Fire Amp that'll really hit hard. So long as he doesn't have the Red Wall on (and if he does, Yukiko's Fire Break can take care of that) a Mind Charge'd and Fire Amp'd Agidyne can take out his defensive shell when he tries to rebuild it in about one shot.
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: treythemovie on December 16, 2008, 12:17:10 AM
I gotta say, when 2008 began I never imagined that P4 would end up the best game I've played all year. Though I'm not sure whether thats more due to how awesome Persona is or how sucky everything else has turned out
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2008, 09:16:41 AM
compendium 25% for me

30 hours in, in august.that's pretty damn fast compared to p3 I think. that's half way through the game isn't it? Doesn't the game end in december?

Almost 45 hours in, middle of September and I'm mid to upper 40 level wise, close to 40% compendium.  Maxed out Sun, Priestess and Chariot links so far, gonna focus on Rise's link next.  Big pimpin!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2008, 10:55:44 AM
I've got at least 5-6 slinks at rank 5-7 now. I'm close to maxing quite a few.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: hyp on December 16, 2008, 12:30:21 PM
Don't play this and play Digital Devil Saga instead

:bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow :bow

real talk
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 16, 2008, 04:50:10 PM
wow Iam fucking furious

I got the 4th dungeon boss down to the last hit and fucking chie missed and the main character got killed by ghastly wail

:punch
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Third on December 16, 2008, 10:14:22 PM
Just killed the first bonus boss. His rampage attack =  :'(
But I floored him on my second try.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 18, 2008, 04:51:45 PM
HAHAH FAT GIRL ON A DIET

NOM NOM CURRY NOM NOM

Yosuke: some homo?
Kanji: WHAT
Yosuke: dicksucka?
Kanji:  :maf
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 05:05:01 PM
the homophobia from yosuke was pretty :( but hilarious at the same time

DID YOU EAT THE PENGUIN
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 18, 2008, 05:07:28 PM
It's more depressing that they can't have Kanji just be gay. He has to deny it even though the dude is fucking flaming.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2008, 05:11:05 PM
He's bi
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 18, 2008, 05:16:47 PM
He's bi
he'd suck yosuke off if he could just get him to loosen up for a min
get it

loosen up
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 19, 2008, 01:22:54 AM
Will Teddie ever stop?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 19, 2008, 01:24:07 AM
yeah he does, you get a new battle advisor of sorts, less annoying
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 19, 2008, 02:50:41 AM
yeah he does, you get a new battle advisor of sorts, less annoying

I actually find her more annoying than Teddie.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 19, 2008, 02:55:41 AM
yeah, i liked teddie better than rise

she's a dumb whore and i hope she gets tossed back in the teevee
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 02:57:57 AM
:heartbeat TEDDIE :heartbeat
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 19, 2008, 03:01:04 AM
teddie is a much better name than "kuma". i hope he and kanji fuck.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 03:03:13 AM
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human teddie or bear teddie. does bear teddie even have an asshole
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 19, 2008, 03:04:15 AM
Leave it to Persona to ruin something so sacred
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 19, 2008, 03:27:53 AM
himu, either/or
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 19, 2008, 03:28:20 AM
demi, teddie violates many bear rules -- he is more cool young dude than bear, for starters
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 19, 2008, 03:28:53 AM
Oh, well then I take it back

Keep your twinkies
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 19, 2008, 01:11:02 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Teddie is beyond cool young dude in his human form.  He's totally a pedo Hitler Youth.  I feel creepy even having him on my tv screen.
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 19, 2008, 01:35:23 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Third on December 19, 2008, 03:03:16 PM
WTF @ Kanji

spoiler (click to show/hide)
He's gay?
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Never expected that. The dungeon was really flaming, though.
Good thing the developers didn't make a generic/stereotypical looking character...

He's awesome, too.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 19, 2008, 03:12:55 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
he's not so much gay as he really doesn't like/get women, and is more bi than anything. he's actually kinda nuanced -- for a videogame.
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Third on December 19, 2008, 03:17:52 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
his shadow was ULTRA GAY though.
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 03:21:19 PM
You can only be gay if you like flowers then? Color me guilty as charged.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Third on December 19, 2008, 03:23:13 PM
You can only be gay if you like flowers then? Color me guilty as charged.

No, the way he talked and did behave as shadow-twin. Not that was stereotypical.

The boss was awesome. Nice guy was a dipshit.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 19, 2008, 03:25:00 PM
I dunno,
spoiler (click to show/hide)
steamy bathhouse for men only?
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Not saying that's explicitly gay, but he definitely likes ballz.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 19, 2008, 03:39:13 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
well, he's obsessed with manliness and suppressing his homosexual side. he definitely likes dick, but he also seems to be attracted to women -- see the "camp" segment
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2008, 03:43:34 PM
Further complicating the Kanji situation  (don't read unless you don't give a shit about major plot points being spoiled for you)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The "guy" you saw him walking around with ends up being a butch girl with her own gender issues, lolz
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 03:44:19 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The dude blushes when Chie approaches him and compliments. He's definitely going for both teams.
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 19, 2008, 03:46:07 PM
The camp segment rocked  :lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2008, 03:46:28 PM
I think I'm gonna end up beating this thing tomorrow.  Good game, fitting send off to the PS2, etc etc.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 03:47:50 PM
I haven't played since Monday. I've been reading all week instead.

The camp part was awesome.

I'M ON A DIET
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 19, 2008, 03:49:11 PM
Further complicating the Kanji situation  (don't read unless you don't give a shit about major plot points being spoiled for you)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The "guy" you saw him walking around with ends up being a butch girl with her own gender issues, lolz
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That's hardly a spoiler. I called that shit when I first saw it.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2008, 03:52:08 PM
Yeah I called it the first time I saw her.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 19, 2008, 07:15:38 PM
yeah... the real mystery in Persona 4 is...

Why does everyone in the game think that chick is a dude?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 20, 2008, 01:30:52 AM
It's 08/03 in my game and I JUST maxed out my first social link.  Am I behind?  Either way, really cool reward for maxing out a social link.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It was a combat character and her Persona transformed into something totally new and more powerful
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 20, 2008, 02:11:45 AM
11 hours in...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
just saved yukiko, working on the bonus shadow or whatever
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... and I'm worried I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing in terms of character / persona management. But I guess I have time.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 20, 2008, 12:06:55 PM
Concentrate on upping the s. links of your team members first, you get tangible benefits in battle for doing so.  Also whenever you get the chance, work on upping the s. links for Nanako/Dojima.  Make sure you get a job at the hospital so the slutty nurse can jump your bones, lol.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 20, 2008, 03:17:09 PM
ya read the bulletin board in the north part of the shopping district fr jobs (its on the left side)
on rainy days you have nothing to do go for the ramen shop near said board and get the rainy day special its boosts pretty much everything
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 20, 2008, 06:25:47 PM
yeah... the real mystery in Persona 4 is...

Why does everyone in the game think that chick is a dude?

The real mystery is why did they feel the need to like, reuse the Raidou Kuzunoha design.  I know SMT recycles monster models but THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

You can only be gay if you like flowers then? Color me guilty as charged.

This is possibly the least surprising coming out ever.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 20, 2008, 06:53:26 PM
i think it's the whole japanese idiomatic look for a boy detective. that said, i find it roughly equivalent to what i'd think if every western detective in videogames had a deerskin hat and a pipe. or a trenchcoat and had a five-o-clock shadow WAIT
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 20, 2008, 06:59:43 PM
Raidou Kuzunoha is teh awesome.  He would be in my jappy gay bath house dungeon.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 20, 2008, 07:12:40 PM
i would PAY PAY PAY to have you as a character in persona 4, and see himu forced to play your dumpster dungeon level.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 20, 2008, 07:13:33 PM
 I'm getting more addicted to the game as the daily options open up...

How can I bone Yukiko?  :lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 20, 2008, 08:05:06 PM
i would PAY PAY PAY to have you as a character in persona 4, and see himu forced to play your dumpster dungeon level.
:lol :lol the music would be good
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 20, 2008, 08:09:04 PM
shadow tvc would be peter greenaway's head on a roiling mass of vomit and severed child limbs
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 20, 2008, 08:39:22 PM
i would PAY PAY PAY to have you as a character in persona 4, and see himu forced to play your dumpster dungeon level.

 :lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 20, 2008, 08:42:25 PM
I'm getting more addicted to the game as the daily options open up...

How can I bone Yukiko?  :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Keep spending time with her and always have a corresponding persona with you.  If you give her romantic responses along the way, when you max out your social link you can take her back to your room.
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 20, 2008, 10:29:46 PM
Just maxed out Kanji S. Link

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kanji: "Now I can say it straight out.  That 'other me' is me."
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 20, 2008, 10:36:33 PM
now if chie would just embrace her dykey-ness, her and kanji could totally get a gbla gender feud on
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 20, 2008, 10:56:28 PM
hahaha... King's Game

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Teddie and Kanji get drunk and SMOOOOOOCH!
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 20, 2008, 11:00:28 PM
hahaha... King's Game

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Teddie and Kanji get drunk and SMOOOOOOCH!
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commence to fapping
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 21, 2008, 12:34:19 AM
the FUCK. how do i beat
spoiler (click to show/hide)
mitsuo
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?

i've tried this fucking hour-long battle of attrition THRICE now, and got wiped in the final stretch each time. my party is 45 and i have some awesome personas, but he is a distinguished mentally-challenged hp sink AND he gets two attacks per round. argh!

at least my logitech wireless controller still works. THIS TIME.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Debaser on December 21, 2008, 01:50:17 AM
the FUCK. how do i beat
spoiler (click to show/hide)
mitsuo
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?

i've tried this fucking hour-long battle of attrition THRICE now, and got wiped in the final stretch each time. my party is 45 and i have some awesome personas, but he is a distinguished mentally-challenged hp sink AND he gets two attacks per round. argh!

at least my logitech wireless controller still works. THIS TIME.

I used

spoiler (click to show/hide)
a Black Frost, which if you fuse one now should get enough Fool EXP to learn Agidyne, Fire Amp, and Mind Charge. (If he doesn't get Mind Charge, he'll just be a level or so away from it, and it shouldn't take long to grind enough EXP to learn it. A Mind Charged Agidyne with the Fire Amp on (and maybe a Fire Vow accessory, if you have one) will do 400-450 damage, enough to destroy the shell when he's rebuilding it. If he's got his Red Wall up, you can have Yukiko Fire Break it so he doesn't resist.

During the process of charging up for the Agidyne, I suggest (if you can) having one of your party members use some buffing items or skills. Mitsuo will sometimes waste a turn Dekaja'ing it, and every turn he's doing that is a turn he's not setting up Fear status or rebuilding his shell.
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 21, 2008, 02:02:20 AM
i beat him earlier today (4th try)

black frost was a great suggestion (thanks debaser). mind charge plus agilao hits hard

basically whatever wall he puts up will be the attack hes gonna use (red wall=fire attack, so you will block with those weak against fire and pummel him with the rest)

whens hes rebuilding his defense focus completely on attacking if possible, status effects can be a real pain though.
If you let anyone have fear too long he will use ghastly wail which means instant death to those with fear. me patra helps a bit with fear, use royal jellys to heal enervation otherwise your sp will be sapped in no time, but you dont have to worry about that if you dont let him rebuild. If he does rebuild perpare for gigadyne to fuck your party up. you can take him I beat at lvl 43
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 21, 2008, 04:39:50 AM
I'm getting more addicted to the game as the daily options open up...

How can I bone Yukiko?  :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Keep spending time with her and always have a corresponding persona with you.  If you give her romantic responses along the way, when you max out your social link you can take her back to your room.
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YES. That is my total objective. Not beating the game, just boning Yukiko.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2008, 04:07:19 AM
I think some of you fegs need to be sucking my penis.

I just beat Kanji's dungeon in one trip.  Level 24.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note that the first time I tried this dungeon, I got raped by floor 3.  Second time I got killed on 8-9 by a rare monster.  This time, I rocked it, but it was a rather narrow win.
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 22, 2008, 04:50:54 AM
Here's a question for all you who played P3 and P4.  I did not play P3, but P4 is shaping up to be one of the most enjoyable games I've played in a long long time.  I think what I love most about P4 is the story telling and the characters.  When I beat P4, I'm thinking of picking up P3 FES to see what I missed.  Do you think I'll enjoy P3 as much as P4?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2008, 09:20:04 AM
No, I think P3 will be just about impossible to go back to, mainly because of the lack of battle control. 
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2008, 09:39:18 AM
No, I think P3 will be just about impossible to go back to, mainly because of the lack of battle control. 

I disagree, mostly since P4 is HARDER than P3 so having control of each party member is kind of necessary.  In P3, you can have the main character rock everything since your SP will be replenished just by visiting the lobby.  Also he said he liked the characters and story telling in P4, and while I prefer the P4 cast to the P3 cast they weren't terrible.  They just didn't have Teddie.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 22, 2008, 12:23:58 PM
No, I think P3 will be just about impossible to go back to, mainly because of the lack of battle control. 

in P4 I really only take control over my team mates in battle during boss fights.  Other than that I just let them do their thing.  The battles go quicker that way and the AI works pretty well.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2008, 01:38:54 PM
what's the combo for black frost
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 22, 2008, 01:40:37 PM
jack frost, pyro jack, pixie, ghoul, king frost

pentagon fusion
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 22, 2008, 01:45:56 PM
I don't have a king or pyrojack. Where do those come froms?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2008, 01:46:04 PM
I want pyro jack/  how do i got pyro jack
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 22, 2008, 01:47:20 PM
this site should help
http://apps.evilrobotstuff.com/persona4/fission.php

also http://apps.evilrobotstuff.com/persona4/fusion.php
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2008, 01:51:57 PM
Thank you, Viz.  You're pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 22, 2008, 01:53:43 PM
only sometimes
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 22, 2008, 01:55:31 PM
oh yeah, I forgot
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2008, 02:59:05 PM
FINALLY beat him. jesus!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2008, 03:06:02 PM
FINALLY beat him. jesus!

It took me like four tries.  :(  First few times I was underleveled, last time he specifically raped my main character.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 22, 2008, 03:21:03 PM
Here's a question for all you who played P3 and P4.  I did not play P3, but P4 is shaping up to be one of the most enjoyable games I've played in a long long time.  I think what I love most about P4 is the story telling and the characters.  When I beat P4, I'm thinking of picking up P3 FES to see what I missed.  Do you think I'll enjoy P3 as much as P4?

DDS instead
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 22, 2008, 03:24:55 PM
digital devil saga is good.
 it probably has some of the best battle music ever too
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 22, 2008, 03:29:47 PM
Nocturne is better than DDS.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2008, 04:29:26 PM
FINALLY beat him. jesus!

It took me like four tries.  :(  First few times I was underleveled, last time he specifically raped my main character.

i fused a yagatarasu whatever crow persona that had null fear, and a black frost with all the shiz debaser mentioned. he got main the first time, but i trashed his ass the second time. six tries, though -- and with characters at level 47! garrr.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2008, 06:51:12 PM
FINALLY beat him. jesus!

It took me like four tries.  :(  First few times I was underleveled, last time he specifically raped my main character.

i fused a yagatarasu whatever crow persona that had null fear, and a black frost with all the shiz debaser mentioned. he got main the first time, but i trashed his ass the second time. six tries, though -- and with characters at level 47! garrr.

I basically just ground his ass down.  It took me so long that I even used my only soma mid-battle to refuel because I was running out of sp, lulz.  I think I was around 45 or so when I eventually beat him.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2008, 08:33:45 PM
I'd get him down quick, but since I stupidly sold my bravery vessel accessories, I kept having him dump evil smile on the main character followed by ghastly wail for an instakill. 5 times I had him on the ropes and he pulled that shit, so on the last attempt I swapped the null fear persona in even though it killed my damage output. At least I won!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 22, 2008, 09:25:04 PM
I think some of you distinguished effete fellows need to be sucking my penis.

I just beat Kanji's dungeon in one trip.  Level 24.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note that the first time I tried this dungeon, I got raped by floor 3.  Second time I got killed on 8-9 by a rare monster.  This time, I rocked it, but it was a rather narrow win.
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I got stuck trying to do this. I'm at the same level but Kanji and his two fellow fegs keep on killing me. What did you do for the boss battle?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2008, 09:28:43 PM
concentrate on nice guy, then tough guy, and have everyone guard when shadow kanji he charges up his mega-attack.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2008, 09:33:35 PM
I think some of you distinguished effete fellows need to be sucking my penis.

I just beat Kanji's dungeon in one trip.  Level 24.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note that the first time I tried this dungeon, I got raped by floor 3.  Second time I got killed on 8-9 by a rare monster.  This time, I rocked it, but it was a rather narrow win.
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I got stuck trying to do this. I'm at the same level but Kanji and his two fellow distinguished effete fellows keep on killing me. What did you do for the boss battle?

I just played that battle today on my second playthrough.  Yeah, I'm bored and don't have much to do.

What I did: 

MC:  attacked Nice Guy until dead, lowering defense as needed
Yosuke:  used debuff (dekaja?) on Shadow Kanji every turn so that Nice Guy's heat riser would go off
Chie:  attacked Nice Guy until dead
Yukiko:  healed every turn, basically

After Nice Guy goes down, have the MC cast the defense lowering spell on Kanji then hit him with a powerful physical attack or use a -ula spell.  I used Bufula with Jack Frost- he gets Ice boost, too.  Yosuke can attack Shadow Kanji, so can Chie, and Yukiko can keep healing.  I ignored Tough Guy.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 22, 2008, 09:51:37 PM
Alright thanks for the tips guys. Fallout seems to be eating all my gaming time but I'll sneak in a couple of minutes to finish the boss battle at least.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 23, 2008, 01:18:05 AM
Also, I had an inordinate amount of snuff souls, so I was able to basically recharge most of my important characters SP.

Is fishing worth wasting time on?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 23, 2008, 03:55:07 AM
And yikes, Matador owns in this!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 24, 2008, 03:48:02 AM
What's this senpai shit?  Kanji just told me he didn't know we were his senpais or something of the like.  Earlier in the game, Kosuke referred to some whore he liked as senpai.  Does this mean I'm going to get to tear up Kanji's ass like he (and I) want?

EDIT:  Also, at first, I thought the whole Kanji section was well done, but now, after his dungeon's been done and his situation resolved, I kinda feel like Atlus pussed out and backed off by making him not really gay.  I'm kinda puzzled why they didn't just go through with it.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 24, 2008, 06:39:05 AM
Also, at first, I thought the whole Kanji section was well done, but now, after his dungeon's been done and his situation resolved, I kinda feel like Atlus pussed out and backed off by making him not really gay.  I'm kinda puzzled why they didn't just go through with it.

Yeah, I was disappointed in that too.

On a more genderbending note, I just finished the dungeon where you rescue someone from a sex change operation!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Debaser on December 24, 2008, 12:25:27 PM
What's this senpai shit?  Kanji just told me he didn't know we were his senpais or something of the like.  Earlier in the game, Kosuke referred to some whore he liked as senpai.  Does this mean I'm going to get to tear up Kanji's ass like he (and I) want?

All the honorifics are explained in the manual's back matter.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 24, 2008, 12:59:21 PM
What's this senpai shit?  Kanji just told me he didn't know we were his senpais or something of the like.  Earlier in the game, Kosuke referred to some whore he liked as senpai.  Does this mean I'm going to get to tear up Kanji's ass like he (and I) want?

EDIT:  Also, at first, I thought the whole Kanji section was well done, but now, after his dungeon's been done and his situation resolved, I kinda feel like Atlus pussed out and backed off by making him not really gay.  I'm kinda puzzled why they didn't just go through with it.

get his s. link to rank 10, he comes/cums clean
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 24, 2008, 03:38:46 PM
What's this senpai shit?  Kanji just told me he didn't know we were his senpais or something of the like.  Earlier in the game, Kosuke referred to some whore he liked as senpai.  Does this mean I'm going to get to tear up Kanji's ass like he (and I) want?

EDIT:  Also, at first, I thought the whole Kanji section was well done, but now, after his dungeon's been done and his situation resolved, I kinda feel like Atlus pussed out and backed off by making him not really gay.  I'm kinda puzzled why they didn't just go through with it.

get his s. link to rank 10, he comes/cums clean

That's still copping out, relegating it to one text box that it takes a certain amount of effort to get to.

The games motif up until this point has been that the people realize and accept that the Shadows are part of themselves, but for Kanji it gets morphed into, basically "I HAVE COMMUNICATION PROBLEMS WITH DUDES AND CHICKS."  It takes what initially appears to be an interesting little narrative in the story, and then instead of taking it to where it was logically going, uses it as an excuse to tell gay jokes for (what I'm assuming will be) the rest of the game.

It's not affecting my enjoyment of the game or whatever, it's just a smidge of disappointment.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 24, 2008, 04:51:10 PM
oh, i ain't disagreeing, although i read it more as just kanji being confused with his weird ideas of "manliness" until you help him realize that he is mad homo and that it's cool. at first, though, i was irked, because i thought we'd finally get a gay dude played for something other than the occasional homo joke. i think it turned out fairly nuanced, though, for a jappy videogame.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 24, 2008, 04:54:06 PM
Is the next dungeon any good?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 24, 2008, 05:02:53 PM
rise's dungeon? yeah, but make sure you're at full sp for the 2x boss fight

spoiler (click to show/hide)
and when shadow rise does her superscan attack, have everyone guard for three rounds
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 24, 2008, 05:58:13 PM
oh, i ain't disagreeing, although i read it more as just kanji being confused with his weird ideas of "manliness" until you help him realize that he is mad homo and that it's cool. at first, though, i was irked, because i thought we'd finally get a gay dude played for something other than the occasional homo joke. i think it turned out fairly nuanced, though, for a jappy videogame.

I maxed Kanji's s link and thought his final words during that cut scene made it clear that he is really gay.  "That 'other me' is me."  But I'm still running into story scenes that make it seem like he's either confused or bi (same thing, if you ask most gay men).  Don't know if there will be any more clarification as the story goes along.

Either way, I agree with you.  This is probably about as nuanced as we've yet seen from the culture that brought us Cho Aniki, Hard Gay, and Tingle.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 24, 2008, 09:57:14 PM
i think they nailed the "small town is full of clueless, unsophisticated tards that hang out at wal-mart" angle really well, though. after all, you don't get to be flamboyantly gay in a small town; you just seem confused and angry and forlorn and then bugger the hitler youth bishie mascot on a class trip!

kanji's confused sexuality makes sense IF you consider that his only gay role models in bummufukku-cho were PROBABLY cho aniki and hard gay!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Rman on December 24, 2008, 10:05:53 PM
You guys seem to be enjoying this game a lot.  It is better than Persona 3 or more of the same?  Persona 3 wasn't that well received on this board, but this game is getting the opposite reception here.  I only played a bit of P3:FES. Also, is the game connected to P3 or is a stand alone game a la the Final Fantasy games?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 24, 2008, 10:21:59 PM
it's standalone, but

spoiler (click to show/hide)
the p4 cast visit the school from ps3 on a class trip
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my take? the battles are better in p4, since you can control teammates, which i prefer, but i don't like how p4 is quite a bit more inflexible when it comes to time management -- you can't really dick around with the schedule and squander a whole month grinding. likewise, it's not obvious how to grow certain social stats without a guide. p4 has a better approach to dungeons, but character/persona stats and gear seem to mean a lot less. i'm about the same on the casts: p3 had junpei and a kickass dog; p4 has teddie and kanji. p3's worst characters were the bland boxer kid and fuuka, but even together they're not nearly as obnoxious as fucking rise (the "retired" idol). i like p4's small town setting and "mystery," but i'd like more of p3's weird urban horror ambience. both have some great non-party social links: p3 had the nazi student council kid; p4 has a sexy nasty nurse that will let "the protagonist" bone her. p4's interface design is slicker, though. call it a sorta tie, for now.

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 24, 2008, 10:33:08 PM
You guys seem to be enjoying this game a lot.  It is better than Persona 3 or more of the same?  Persona 3 wasn't that well received on this board, but this game is getting the opposite reception here.  I only played a bit of P3:FES. Also, is the game connected to P3 or is a stand alone game a la the Final Fantasy games?

I like it more than P3.  For as much as I liked how different P3 was, not having direct control over my party just irked me too much.  It's not even that their AI was bad or anything, I just could not accept not having complete control
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 24, 2008, 10:34:18 PM
i think they nailed the "small town is full of clueless, unsophisticated tards that hang out at wal-mart" angle really well, though. after all, you don't get to be flamboyantly gay in a small town; you just seem confused and angry and forlorn and then bugger the hitler youth bishie mascot on a class trip!

kanji's confused sexuality makes sense IF you consider that his only gay role models in bummufukku-cho were PROBABLY cho aniki and hard gay!

You just summed up my adolescence and early 20s.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 24, 2008, 10:44:30 PM
nu avatar get
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2008, 10:48:24 PM
I enjoyed it more than P3. 

Pros

-Control your whole team, which you'll pretty much HAVE to do soon after/during the first dungeon.
-Better dungeons.
-Liked the murder mystery/rural setting/Scooby Doo vibe better than the crazy conspiracy/city/Harry Potter vibe of P3.
-Seemed to be a bit harder, probably because your SP don't replenish when you go back to the lobby.  Also less money.
-Team members more likable overall.  Teddie/Kanji > any of P3's main cast.  Also you could have s. links with all your team members, and advancing them gave you tangible benefits in combat.

Cons
-Harder to raise your attributes, and there's FIVE now instead of three
-Because of that, you can take longer to access some s. links.  I pretty much wasn't able to do anything with Naoto until the last week or so of available time.
-If you screw up on time management, you can bork your s. links.  On my first playthrough I was kind of lazy and would advance my non-team s. links as opposed to beating the shit out of the dungeon immediately and then maxing out my team s. links. 
-Rise sucks pretty much as bad as Fuuka, so I guess that's a wash.

I think during my playthroughs of FES I probably died maaaaaybe once.  In P4 I probably died half a dozen times- I don't think I was any more careless in my playstyle; the game just felt a bit harder, which I always appreciate.  Right now (haven't played Fallout 3 yet) this is about tied with Etrian Odyssey 2 for my GOTY.  All that probably changes tomorrow, but whatever!  Awesome game, good send off to the PS2 is my verdict.  Buy it and play the shit out of it.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 24, 2008, 10:52:34 PM
Send off?  Fuck no.  There is more PS2 SMT to be had!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Although even with it being significantly better than the first one, it is unlikely to touch P4
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/DS-LRTAO.jpg)

:bow Raidou Kuzunoha :bow2
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 25, 2008, 03:15:01 AM
I think I'm going to commit and just finish the fucking Kanji dungeon in one go tonight. I don't like how that wolf is extorting me, btw.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 25, 2008, 03:16:25 AM
The Kanji dungeon had a lot of monsters that didn't have weaknesses.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 25, 2008, 03:17:03 AM
nu avatar get

 :lol

KANJI!!!!

:bow
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 25, 2008, 03:23:06 AM
And I did the magic avatar swap php thing, too.  So it's randomly either:

(http://indarktrees.com/pics/kanji_av1.JPG)

or

(http://indarktrees.com/pics/kanji_av2.JPG)

I'mm get a shot of him without glasses tonight, and see if I can't get more reaction shots.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 25, 2008, 03:44:35 AM
The Kanji dungeon had a lot of monsters that didn't have weaknesses.

How many floors am I looking at?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 25, 2008, 03:50:14 AM
11 or 12.  I ferget.  And two of those are boss floors.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 25, 2008, 04:58:56 AM
nu avatar get

I just finished the Cultural Festival.  I wish I'd had my camera ready.  I wanted to use a pic of Kanji in drag as my avatar.  He makes a pretty great Marilyn Monroe!

*update:  went back to an older save and took the pic*
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 25, 2008, 09:21:28 PM
Holy shit.  When is the cultural festival?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 25, 2008, 09:24:43 PM
Holy shit.  When is the cultural festival?

End of October
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 26, 2008, 05:19:01 PM
beat the sixth dungeon last night. the boss was easy! the mitsuo fight was waaaaay worse, pussies
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 26, 2008, 05:23:52 PM
The mitsuo fight was brutal. Regenerating shields/hp stuff always makes me go bonkers. Almost done with the game.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 26, 2008, 05:27:14 PM
shadow naoto was a bit tough, too. man, maf called the ultimate villain before he'd gotten three hours into the game, lol
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 26, 2008, 05:29:14 PM
yeah, the story kind of turned into predictable stuff around dungeon 4/5. I didn't even consider who it was for a while but then it really just hit me as being so right in front of your face. I'm more playing now for the social interaction stuff between the characters (like the cultural festival and campout stuff) than the actual story and dungeon crawling.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 26, 2008, 05:31:11 PM
the cultural festival was awesome

:bow :bow chie's revenge :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 27, 2008, 01:50:44 PM
I'm in the December dungeon.  I for one did not guess the villain and was glad to be surprised.  I'm using a faq now to make sure I can get the true ending after I beat this dungeon.  I love love love this game so much.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 27, 2008, 06:44:02 PM
If you were to play just one, would you chosse P3 or P4?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 27, 2008, 07:16:08 PM
If you were to play just one, would you chosse P3 or P4?
p4. p3 has a few things I liked better but it's definitely the weaker game.

the original kanji concepts were cool.
(http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-08/art/p4-kanji-tatsumi2.jpg)
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 27, 2008, 07:16:30 PM
If you were to play just one, would you chosse P3 or P4?

Neither - Digital Devil Saga
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 27, 2008, 08:30:14 PM
Demi, I love how you tend to give the answer to the question you think someone should have asked rather than the one he actually asked.  You'd make a great politician!

That said, I think I'll probably end up checking out both P3 and DDS 1&2.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 27, 2008, 08:32:53 PM
I just want him to enjoy himself before setting himself up with disappointment...
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2008, 08:43:33 PM
Picked this back up.

:bow
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: siamesedreamer on December 27, 2008, 10:29:55 PM
I put a good 40 hours into DDS back in 2005 while I was waiting for MS to make enough 360s. It was really good, but I haven't gone back to it because I forgot everything that happened.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 27, 2008, 10:30:47 PM
Not much to remember. Go play it.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2008, 05:45:51 PM
Wow, the older drawings of Kanji in the artbook are even more fapworthy. POMPADOUR!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 28, 2008, 08:04:22 PM
Wow, the older drawings of Kanji in the artbook are even more fapworthy. POMPADOUR!

scans or links please
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 28, 2008, 08:57:07 PM
Finally making my way through the Kanji dungeon now...

Edit: HOLY FUCK I JUST DISCOVERED RUSH AND IT IS SO AWESOME.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 28, 2008, 10:21:35 PM
I just started playing this, its my first Persona game. I'm taken aback by how sleek and the game is (mainly the UI). Lots of style. The music is fantastic (from what I've heard so far).
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 28, 2008, 10:46:37 PM
Wow, the older drawings of Kanji in the artbook are even more fapworthy. POMPADOUR!

scans or links please
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r318/vizOA/Picture001.jpg)
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Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2008, 10:53:43 PM
Thanks, Viz.  My camera case is in my car and I don't want to have to put pants on to get it.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 28, 2008, 10:55:37 PM
My post above has a link. Just open the image in a new window. Looks like hotlinking protection. There were at least 3 kanji concepts including the final design.

I beat it. The ending was really sweet. :)
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 28, 2008, 11:03:37 PM
I just lost 2 hours of grinding in Kanji's bath house because God hates me and that FUCKING bear couldn't find an escape route I couldn't find a weakness in this trio of wizard-looking dudes.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 28, 2008, 11:25:08 PM
HOLY FUCK I JUST DISCOVERED RUSH AND IT IS SO AWESOME.

(http://www.rizeproducts.com/images/rush.jpg)
Poppers are bad for you!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 28, 2008, 11:26:19 PM
I just lost 2 hours of grinding in Kanji's bath house because God hates me and that FUCKING bear couldn't find an escape route I couldn't find a weakness in this trio of wizard-looking dudes.

They got me once, too.  If they surprise attack you, they will rape your weaknesses bad.  I think when they got me, I didn't even get a turn.  And after that, I ran whenever I saw the fuckers, at least until I finished the boss of the dungeon.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 29, 2008, 12:11:55 AM
I jsut fucked up.  Went in without a goho-m.  Praying for the arcana card that sends me to the entrance, or a goho-m in a chest.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 29, 2008, 12:15:23 AM
if you are deep enough in, keep going until you get to the save before a boss, usually you can warp out free there
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 29, 2008, 12:16:30 AM
Really?  I'm only on the third dungeon, but I do not recall that happening before.

Do you know if any of the characters have a persona that learns the goho-m equivalent skill?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 12:26:44 AM
Really?  I'm only on the third dungeon, but I do not recall that happening before.

Do you know if any of the characters have a persona that learns the goho-m equivalent skill?

The butterfly right before any boss battle will allow you to save as well as return to the entrance of the dungeon.  Don't think there's a goho-m skill.

*edit:  I stand corrected.  The skill is traesto.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 29, 2008, 12:31:36 AM
Prole said traesto is the skill.

Shite.  I'm only on the 3rd of 11 floors.  I think I am slightly overleveled, but still.  I have a ton of cash so I guess I can abuse the fox if necessary, but still, here's hoping I don't have to do any rejiggering of my current party before the mid-boss
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 12:46:10 AM
I'm on the sixth floor of the last last dungeon and am getting my ass whooped by a miniboss who basically only uses instant kill skills.  It's pissing me off.  One time I fought him, and he had the first attack... he apparently got two attacks which were 1) Evil Smile which inflicted all my party members with Fear... followed by 2) Ghastly Wail which instantly kills anyone who is inflicted with fear... which was my whole party.  So he killed my whole party before I got to make a single move.  Fucking cheap!

*edit:  beat it.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 29, 2008, 01:26:53 AM
I jsut fucked up.  Went in without a goho-m.  Praying for the arcana card that sends me to the entrance, or a goho-m in a chest.

2 hours of gameplay. I'm so pissed. I don't even know if I feel like playing right now... could take a while.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 29, 2008, 01:34:40 AM
Actually, looks like I will make it.  Just beat the level 7 boss and got a soma.  Should be smooth sailing to 11.

:tauntaun :hump TVC15 :hump :tauntaun
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 29, 2008, 01:44:00 AM
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd I just got Upright death which gives me full SP and warps me out of the dungeon.  Chant it, girls, TVC, TVC, TVC

:tauntaun :hump :tauntaun :hump :tauntaun :hump  TVC15 :tauntaun :hump :tauntaun :hump :tauntaun :hump
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 29, 2008, 02:15:30 AM
WOW. Once again killed in Kanji's bath house, this time losing about 30 minutes.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

This time one of the fish-summoned FUCKS did one of those spells that can cause immediate death, which killed me. GAME OVER. LOSS.  :'( :piss this dungeon :piss2
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on December 29, 2008, 02:30:42 AM
WOW. Once again killed in Kanji's bath house, this time losing about 30 minutes.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

This time one of the fish-summoned FUCKS did one of those spells that can cause immediate death, which killed me. GAME OVER. LOSS.  :'( :piss this dungeon :piss2

Yeah Kanji's dungeon pissed me off so much that I just moved on to Fallout 3. Still stuck on fucking Kanji and I think I'm underleveled.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 29, 2008, 02:59:54 AM
Finally made it to where I wanted to be in Kanji's dungeon without dying. Ugh. Got a save in, now I'm going to relax and watch a movie or something.  :)
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 04:40:46 AM
Just finished Persona 4 with my final save file clocking in at 82 hours and 12 minutes.  Since this was my first Shin Megami Tensei game, I thought I'd jot down my thoughts while it's still on my mind.

Though they are totally different games, Persona 4 correctly does with mythology and structure what Odin Sphere failed to do.  I loved the concept behind Odin Sphere in that it's gameplay and story telling devices seemed to mirror the forms as well as the subject matter of epics such as Orlando Furioso and Nibelungenlied.  After I got passed Odin Sphere's still unsurpassed beauty and it's innovative structure, I realized that it just was not fun to play.  The bite sized battles followed by long stretches of inventory management ultimately could not hold my attention long enough to finish the game.  Persona 4 takes this repeating bite sized gameplay and makes it work.  Rather than finding inspiration in the strophic forms of epic poetry however, Persona 4 creates an addictive cycle out of something much more mundane... the daily routines of a suburban Japanese high school student.  At first this structure seemed prohibitive.  You can only accomplish a handful of tasks in one in-game day before the calendar forces you to advance.  While most JRPGs allow you to put saving the world on hold indefinitely while you grind up your stats and do side quests, Persona 4 gives you a genuine sense of urgency as the game propels the player forward to solve the mystery and rescue friends.  I quickly began to appreciate the constraints of this pace and gladly utilized a skill rarely required in a JRPG... time management.  I found myself looking at my clock aghast to see that it was 2, 3, sometimes 4 am and still thinking, "I'll just do one more in-game day."

But what was really compelling me to play day after in-game day was main mystery of the plot.  It's hard to discuss a murder mystery without giving away whodunnit.  But I love how Persona 4 weds Japanese mythology with modern life in a coherent way.  Persona 4 is not the first to combine Animism with modern characters... Miyazaki's Spirited Away accomplished this wonderfully.  But Miyazaki's tale had the modern invading the ancient.  Chihiro left her modern world temporarily and entered a pocket of reality governed by spirits.  In Persona 4, the ancient animist gods are updated for a technological world.  An ancient Japanese creation myth with parallels to the story of Orpheus and Eurydice forms the ultimate basis for a story based on modern understandings of science and human psychology.

Persona 4 is the first Shin Megami Tensei game I've ever even touched.  I'm sure everything I've written here comes as no surprise to veterans of the series.  I'm really glad I picked finally got to see what all the fuss was about.  This was definitely a high point in my game experiences.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 29, 2008, 11:23:21 AM
Nanako chan  :heartbeat I'm gonna max her out first.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2008, 11:47:05 AM
Nanako chan  :heartbeat I'm gonna max her out first.

You should be banned for general creepiness.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 29, 2008, 01:14:38 PM
So you have to use your time wisely in this game? Like, going to the Library and studying will take up a whole day. I'm going to have an aneurysm worrying about if I'm doing stuff right... I'm bad at deciding on things.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 29, 2008, 02:24:28 PM
So you have to use your time wisely in this game? Like, going to the Library and studying will take up a whole day. I'm going to have an aneurysm worrying about if I'm doing stuff right... I'm bad at deciding on things.

Yeah, that's one of my only gripes with the game. I hate that you have to immediately go home and sleep because you're "too tired after studying with Nanako" or whatever. It's frustrating, but I've found that I can get more done if I just do all my grinding in one in-game "day" so I don't waste too much time inside of the TV.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 29, 2008, 03:25:49 PM
So you have to use your time wisely in this game? Like, going to the Library and studying will take up a whole day. I'm going to have an aneurysm worrying about if I'm doing stuff right... I'm bad at deciding on things.

It's not that huge of a deal, really.  You always have plenty of time to do the dungeons.  On rainy days, nearly all activities are not available, aside from dungeon crawling.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 03:43:55 PM
I'm glad they force you along.  I mean, the game took me more than 80 hours as it was.  If it had allowed me to dilly dally as most JRPGs allow, I doubt I'd ever have gotten all the way through the game.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 29, 2008, 07:11:38 PM
So you have to use your time wisely in this game? Like, going to the Library and studying will take up a whole day. I'm going to have an aneurysm worrying about if I'm doing stuff right... I'm bad at deciding on things.

Yeah, that's one of my only gripes with the game. I hate that you have to immediately go home and sleep because you're "too tired after studying with Nanako" or whatever. It's frustrating, but I've found that I can get more done if I just do all my grinding in one in-game "day" so I don't waste too much time inside of the TV.

Yeah, that's what I'm doing now (thanks for the tip). I'm at Suikiko(?) dungeon now and I'm basically running around and conserving my SP enough so that I can grind as much as possible. I've actually made leveled up quite a bit and I figure I can use the Butterfly to warp out when I run out of SP.

So you have to use your time wisely in this game? Like, going to the Library and studying will take up a whole day. I'm going to have an aneurysm worrying about if I'm doing stuff right... I'm bad at deciding on things.

It's not that huge of a deal, really.  You always have plenty of time to do the dungeons.  On rainy days, nearly all activities are not available, aside from dungeon crawling.

That's cool then. I was worried about juggling my job, signing up for Sports practice and worrying about the next person I need to save but it seems like the devs worked it out so they don't really conflict with eachother but it takes initiative on the gamer to keep up with everything. Its pretty cool.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 29, 2008, 07:18:35 PM
mmm Yukiko's lacy unmentionables mmmmmmmmmmm

<shoots stream of semen across BlueTsunami's face>
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 29, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
im close to maxing yukiko and chie, then once I get naoto my harem will be complete

seriously though i havent played in about a week and i have three social links not established, which I need to do to get the true ending so Ive read

tower (tutor kid), moon (ai ebihara, sports team manager), and fortune (naoto)

moon should be as easy as talking to her but it looks like the other require maxed stats, I have knowledge maxed so i need courage to talk to naoto, and i still need a bit of understanding (one more level) to accept the tutor job

anyway I just started the month of September, anyone think I wont be able to pull it off? the previous month had a bunch of wasted time for other slinks I could load an earlier save easily
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 29, 2008, 07:27:30 PM
Do you have to establish those social links or max them out?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 07:29:33 PM
Get the Hermit Social Link started with the Fox as soon as possible and max it out as soon as you can.  Use a faq if you need to figure out all the quests he wants you to do.  It will let you pay to refill your SP while inside the TV.  At the lower levels of the S Link, the price to refill SP is insanely high, but comes down a lot as you level the S Link.  Take the time to max the Hermit S Link up early because it will allow you to spend tons of time in the dungeons leveling up enough to clear a dungeon in one in-game day.  This will clear up precious days later in the game for leveling up other S Links.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 07:31:53 PM
Do you have to establish those social links or max them out?

you do NOT need to max out ANY social links to get the true ending.  Nor to you have to establish any particular social links to get the true ending.

Focus on maxing out the Fox and your combat team mates first as those give you the most tangible benefits in the dungeons.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 29, 2008, 07:42:00 PM
Should I get this game?  Never played any of the other ones, and this seems a little too japafag for me, but I always hear good things
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 07:43:14 PM
Should I get this game?  Never played any of the other ones, and this seems a little too japafag for me, but I always hear good things

Yes, you should get this game.  I never played any megaten games before this.  I was also worried about the japanese teenager story not appealing to me as well.  This is by far my favorite game of the year.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 29, 2008, 07:54:25 PM
Should I get this game?  Never played any of the other ones, and this seems a little too japafag for me, but I always hear good things

No
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 29, 2008, 07:58:08 PM
Nanako chan  :heartbeat I'm gonna max her out first.

You should be banned for general creepiness.

:/

I just beat Kanji and it was awesome. Kanji is awesome.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 29, 2008, 08:00:06 PM
Should I get this game?  Never played any of the other ones, and this seems a little too japafag for me, but I always hear good things

No

okay
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 29, 2008, 08:00:31 PM
You should get The Last Remnant instead.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 08:21:24 PM
demi, I finished P4 last night and just started P3FES.  I'll try DDS another day.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 29, 2008, 08:23:50 PM
I don't even know you anymore
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 08:27:22 PM
I couldn't find DDS anywhere here in stores and P3FES was there on the shelf.  *shrug*  I'll order DDS 1 and 2 from Amazon and get to them eventually.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 29, 2008, 08:36:41 PM
Have you played SMT3?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 29, 2008, 08:38:31 PM
That game sucks too. Fuck off
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 29, 2008, 08:38:42 PM
Have you played SMT3?

Nope... P4 was my first megaten game ever.  May borrow Nocturne from Ferricide.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 29, 2008, 08:50:03 PM
It's really excellent. Darker theme, has some horror elements. Really impressive game from the R&D1 team.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 29, 2008, 08:53:21 PM
Last Remnant looks horrible, right now I'm playing through Prince of Persia and Tomb Raider.

Next game after those will probably be...I don't know, finishing up Banjo.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on December 29, 2008, 08:53:51 PM
distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 30, 2008, 12:21:33 AM
yup
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 30, 2008, 12:26:35 AM
Did the third dungeon in one visit.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Shadow Teddie boss was FUCK AWESOME looking
[close]

Rise is a cunt but I would fuck at full force in vagina, mouth, and ass.

BrandNew, this is my favorite game of the year, but know what you are getting into.  It's a dungeon crawler, but a lot of the time you won't be in dungeons.  You will be socializing and shit.  So if the concept of a vaguely dating simulator-ish dungeon crawl turns you off, stay away.  Also note that it's teh jappy to 11.  On the other hand, the game is pretty damned funny, has a great localization, and is filled with great characters.  And not great in the Himumu "OMG SQUALL IS JUST LIKE ME" sense, but in a really entertaining and often actually funny sense.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on December 30, 2008, 12:31:21 AM
Himumu "OMG SQUALL IS JUST LIKE ME" sense, but in a really entertaining and often actually funny sense.
:lol :lol

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on December 30, 2008, 01:36:11 AM
I just finished P4 last night and now I'm 4 hours into P3FES.  I'm so excited!  I'm so..... scared!  I think I have a problem!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bflYjF90t7c
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 30, 2008, 09:48:03 AM
 :lol

P3 is little different from P4, it only has two save points and you can't take full control over your A.I which you probably already know after spending 4 hours on it. Granted, I'm only 10 hours in P4 so there can be more differences I don't know about. AND IT'S BLUE.

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 30, 2008, 04:09:56 PM
I dont know if it has been mentioned since I havnt been following the thread(spoilers and junk) but if you go back into dungeons you've already completed, you can fight an optional boss. I got a weapon for Yukiko for beating the first one,which was stronger than anything that was currently at the store.

Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 30, 2008, 04:14:04 PM
How far into the game are you, Junpei?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 30, 2008, 04:17:24 PM
I just hit the start of Kanji's dungeon :lol GOTY
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on December 30, 2008, 04:24:30 PM
Kanji would be my favorite character
spoiler (click to show/hide)
if Teddie didn't exist
[close]
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 30, 2008, 07:37:57 PM
How far into the game are you, Junpei?

I just got to the school camp out.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on December 30, 2008, 07:47:04 PM
some interesting stuff has happened in my game today:
three teammates in a row pushed the mc out of the way from a fatal attack, that was cool. I died anyway, but its the thought that counts.

second I had no idea people not in your party other then the fox could show up in dungeon, but I had an interesting conversation with teddie and kanji who were just standing around in a room near the entrance. They give you items when you talk, nothing major or rare thoigh

also upright moon arcana is the best, gives you double xp or something, very helpful.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on December 30, 2008, 08:17:48 PM
I'm probably going to stay in and beat Kanji tonight... gotta get rested up before New Years. Hopefully I'll get some serious play time in, but it's doubtful. Seems like the difficulty will really ramp up after floor 4. :\

I also need to dick around with the fusion stuff more.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 30, 2008, 09:16:07 PM
So I've found that grinding by yourself is a very quick way to level up and in turn get more powerful Persona, earlier in the game. The grinding itch cannot be withheld any longer!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 01, 2009, 07:09:53 PM
I just cooked up a big bad BLACK FROST.

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/megamitensei/images//9/9e/BlackFrostSMT3.jpg)

I had the relevant social link up to 7 so I got mad awesome bonuses.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 01, 2009, 07:30:55 PM
I haven't played DDS since I got my new Sharp 720 16:9. On my old Sony 480 4:3 I don't recall it ever looking all blury. Kinda hurts my eyes. Is this common with PS2 games on newer tvs? I was using full screen, so that may have had an effect.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 01, 2009, 09:15:16 PM
The TV is probably trying to upconvert the resolution of the game to the native one of the HDTV (and doing horribly). Do you have a PS3? That may fare better at upconverting the game.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mondain on January 02, 2009, 04:39:30 AM
I completed this like a week and a half ago, 62 hours for the true ending. Liked it a lot, I also loved all the small gameplay enhancements that were made, but I think that overall the cast of social links was better in P3. And I was disappointed to see that in the end the plot all devolved into complete nonsense
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The fog represents the fact that people don't want to see things for what they really are, the midnight channel represents people's prejudices about people appearing on TV... typical emo animu bullcrap  :yuck
[close]
.

What disappointed me the most is that there are no missions located outside of the randomly generated dungeons, while there were some in P3 and I think they added some much-needed diversity.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 02, 2009, 05:06:35 AM
Ugh, how hard are somas to come by?  I am about to beat Mitsuo on my first try, but I'll need to use my one soma to do so.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 02, 2009, 05:09:49 AM
WHAT THE FUCK HE JUST KILLED MY ENTIRE PARTY IN ONE TURN
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mondain on January 02, 2009, 05:16:04 AM
yep SP accrual items are way too rare in the game, I appreciate the fact that they're a lot scarcer, but you basically spend the whole game trying to come up with new creative ways to spare your SP and it gets very irritating at times... you  can get them all back by paying fuck moneys to the dog but it's useless when it comes to bosses
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 02, 2009, 05:23:34 AM
Well, at least with bosses you can come in with near full SP because you  an start on their floors.  My problem with Mitsuo is that I am using big SP abilities and I am a bit underleveled, so I needed a mid-fight SP boost.  I had one of the items that gives you 50 SP, but that wasn't near enough.  I basically needed one character to get his SP back, and the soma (which is rare and fives full HP/SP to everyone) was really my only option. 

I also make sure I check every chest on every floor and all.  I really wish they sold even a half decent SP item in the store.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Mondain on January 02, 2009, 05:27:13 AM
the only option is to buy soda cans but the machines get sold out real fast and you have a week of waiting needed before they get filled up again... and the cans only give you back either 5 or 10 SP
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 02, 2009, 05:29:46 AM
And 5 and 10 SP really isn't even worthwhile unless you can chug 20 of them outside of battle.  I'm talking about needing SP mid-battle when a mere 5 SP point heal would be a waste of time.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 02, 2009, 06:39:49 AM
The TV is probably trying to upconvert the resolution of the game to the native one of the HDTV (and doing horribly). Do you have a PS3? That may fare better at upconverting the game.

No PS3. I'm just dealing with it. Guess I could just be used to games looking much more crisp this generation...
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 02, 2009, 07:05:10 AM
Matsuo is so busting my balls right now. I dont' know how one would beat him without the exact technique of spamming Mind Charge and some high level spell. I also need one of companions to learn a fucking healing spell that isn't light, Yuikiko, your worthless!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 02, 2009, 11:55:16 AM
yousuke learns diarama at like 38, and teddie learns mediarama at 43. why aren't you using teddie, bt? teddie loves you!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 02, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
The Mitsuo fight is honestly probably the toughest one in the game, at least in my opinion.  Forge a personality that is immune to darkness for the latter half of the fight so he doesn't one shot your mc.  I used my soma mid battle with no regrets, I finished the game with like 3 and didn't need to use one for the last boss.  I didn't bother with the true ending, maybe one day.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 02, 2009, 12:33:56 PM
you get somas/somae? and sp restore items from doing the npc quests
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 02, 2009, 02:53:04 PM
yousuke learns diarama at like 38, and teddie learns mediarama at 43. why aren't you using teddie, bt? teddie loves you!

I think I'll do that. I like using Chie but I think Teddie could probably fill her spot better.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 02, 2009, 03:40:33 PM
Teddie had mediarama when I first got him.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 02, 2009, 05:52:57 PM
I didn't think that was gonna happen to Teddie and I certainly didn't expect him to join the party. Very neato.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 02, 2009, 07:16:49 PM
yousuke learns diarama at like 38, and teddie learns mediarama at 43. why aren't you using teddie, bt? teddie loves you!

Teddie had mediarama when I first got him.

Thanks guys. I didn't think to use Teddie, but his healing ability helped a lot during that boss battle (got through it).
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 02, 2009, 07:38:40 PM
Black Frost is awesome.  I'd totally let him clown around in my ass, ho ho.

I want/need this

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/Zephyr_Elvirion/blackfrost001.jpg)
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 02, 2009, 07:46:32 PM
Who did ya fuse to get him? I maxed out Yumi Ozawa  :pimp
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 02, 2009, 07:49:24 PM
It's a five way fusion. You get them later on.  I think it was Jack Frost, Pyro Jack, King Frost, Ghoul, Pixie.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Akala on January 02, 2009, 07:50:29 PM
Finally getting a chance to crack out on this tonight. If my wife ever stops cursing at Zelda.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on January 02, 2009, 07:51:17 PM
Black Frost is awesome.  I'd totally let him clown around in my ass, ho ho.

I want/need this

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/Zephyr_Elvirion/blackfrost001.jpg)

Is that a Digital Devil Saga 2 symbol I see? Yes... I believe that's superiority
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on January 03, 2009, 04:36:56 AM
Finally reached Kanji, will give it a coherent shot in the morning. FULLY addicted to the whole sim aspect now.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 03, 2009, 07:25:29 AM
Just caught myself a Guardian Fish. Not only can you exchange this fish for kickass gear (varying, each month) it also can completely replenish one characters SP :o

Got this off Gamefaqs, helped a lot

Quote
NAME )
( Timing, vibration strength )

INABA TROUT
1 second, medium

RED GOLDFISH
1-1.5 seconds, light

AMBER SEEMA
1.5 seconds, light

GENJI AYU
2 seconds, medium

HUGE FISH
2 seconds, heavy

GUARDIAN
4 seconds, very heavy

Huge Fish and Guardians can only be fished for on Rainy Days (and supposedly everyday during December). I'm about to exchange it for a piece of Armor that gives you 50% more EXP :o

I was worried that discerning between the Guardian and Huge fish would be hard but hell no, when you've hooked a Guardian fish, you'll know.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ananus on January 03, 2009, 12:48:09 PM
argh, i'm supposed to get one of those to finish the fox s.link but i just can't do it. i couldn't even get a big one, i just bought two off the tv.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 03, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Just caught myself a Guardian Fish. Not only can you exchange this fish for kickass gear (varying, each month) it also can completely replenish one characters SP :o

Be sure to save one Huge Fish and one Guardian for the final quest of the Fox S.Link.  Maxing out Fox is super helpful in later dungeons if you need to grind.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 03, 2009, 08:22:39 PM
Hey, Demi. I picked up DDS2 new today for 49.95 USD. It's going for $89 new on amazon. Lucky me!  Anyway, I'll pick up the first DDS before I finish P3FES and that will be my next game.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on January 03, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
Yeah baby
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 03, 2009, 08:47:15 PM
Yeah baby

Someone told me not even to look at the back of the case of DDS2 unless I wanted a huge spoiler. So I'm resisting. Gonna just hide it away for now.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: demi on January 03, 2009, 08:49:03 PM
Well it takes place like 10 minutes after the first game, so yeah - for some reason they split the game across two seperate retail discs
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 03, 2009, 08:58:06 PM
I'm just now starting to dig P3.  The story takes ages to get off the ground. And I'm definitely missing direct control over my teammates. Even the AI in P4 is WAY better than the AI in P3. In P4 my teammates ALWAYs exploited the enemy weaknesses once I'd uncovered it. P3 not so much. The combat in P4 is SOOOO much better than P3.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 03, 2009, 11:52:30 PM
School ended for summer and my current fox quest involves a girl inside the school.  Am I screwed until school reopens?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 04, 2009, 01:05:00 AM
School ended for summer and my current fox quest involves a girl inside the school.  Am I screwed until school reopens?

I did the exact same thing and thought I would miss the September rare equipment (you need to get to the last Fox quest to get the better fishing gear). Fortunately, if you make it your priority to finish the Fox S.Link before the end of September, you'll be able to do it (there's also a rainy day a few days before October, so you can catch a Guardian). It'll probably be a good idea to catch a Huge Fish or two before you reach this point though. Dexterity helps with fishing, the higher Dexterity you have, the more chances you have at catching fish. I believe you need one Huge Fish and one Guardian to completely finish this S.Link.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 01:05:49 AM
Ugh, fishing?  I haven't done any of that.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 04, 2009, 02:54:43 AM
I didn't realize until really late in the game that you can fish at night... after the game sends you back to the Dojima residence, you can go out the front door and go fishing or to your job at the hospital (if you've taken the job).  This would have saved me many after school times I wasted fishing.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 04, 2009, 03:21:28 AM
Ugh, fishing?  I haven't done any of that.

Its simple once you get the timing down. But higher Dexterity helps to be able to get a few attempts. I also believe there's a Quest at #6 or #7 on Fox's S.Link that's going to require you to fish for a Goldfish (I think its called).
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 03:25:27 AM
I spend my nights at the Silent Hill hospital with evil pedo nurse.

Now i'm going to masturbate while imagining I am pulling down BlueTsunami's A-Team underoos very slowly and then the drinking and Personaing will begin.  I need to beat Mitsuo!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 04, 2009, 03:33:25 AM
 :omg  :-[

Mitsuo was such a fucking pain, even with an optimal setup, he had the ability to wipe me out with his "omg I'm about to die" skills. Bosses that have the ability to weaken you then use an ability to exploit said weakness within the same turn are freakin cheap.

But about the Midnight Nurse, she's a freak-a-leak  :teehee I love how she responds positively to you being at odds with her
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 03:48:54 AM
Yeah, I am fairly sure that beating Mitsuo is possible at my level (heck, I almost beat him my first try, and I've had 2 grinding nights since then), but there's a bit of luck involved.  It's just a crapshoot long fight, and it will always be a long slog since he tends to kill you just before he's almost dead.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 04, 2009, 03:51:25 AM
Mitsuo was a long grind.  I can't remember if it was him who had the Evil Smile followed by Ghastly Wail attack.  I think I had an accessory that prevented Fear.  That was a must.  There's another miniboss in the last dungeon that does that combo as well.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 03:52:58 AM
Ugh, I need to induce toilet tantrum first.  I have my trusty fingers ready.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 04:33:32 AM
That was a 5 alarm toilet tantrum.  I completely emptied myself and there was plenty o bile, too.  My throat is burning bad.  The vomit was hitting the water so hard that the toilet water was splashing all over my face.  And since I had just been masturbating, I imagined myself puking all over BlueTsunami's cock.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 05:15:54 AM
YES!  I BEAT HIM ON MY FIRST TRY!  DID NOT HAVE TO USE SOMA!  YOU ALL DOUBTED THE POWER OF THE TOILET TANTRUM SOCIAL LINK.  I just needed to get it up that one last level.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 05:49:08 AM
And as a bonus:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/5luiyd.jpg)

YAY HE IS HOMO CONFIRMED!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 04, 2009, 06:01:21 AM
hahahahhaha, that's fucking awesome. Kanji  8)
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 06:08:50 AM
No lie--after that, the screen goes black, and a text bubble that says "Kanji stayed a lot longer than expected" pops up, and you hear Kanji enthusiastically yell OH YEAH! in the background.  Someone got Kool-Aid Manned in the ass.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 04, 2009, 10:05:35 AM
Oh my.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 04, 2009, 05:34:55 PM
Kanji is handled a lot better than the queer boy in Persona 3 FES... I just started the social link in P3 with the foreign exchange student from France.  His name is Bebe.  He speaks with a French accent and carries a fan with butterflies on it.  You spend all your S.Link time with him in the Fashion club that meets in the Home Ec room.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 04, 2009, 05:54:37 PM
Kanji is handled a lot better than the queer boy in Persona 3 FES... I just started the social link in P3 with the foreign exchange student from France.  His name is Bebe.  He speaks with a French accent and carries a fan with butterflies on it.  You spend all your S.Link time with him in the Fashion club that meets in the Home Ec room.

Are P3 and P3FES two different games?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 06:00:12 PM
No.  P3 FES is the original game with bonus content, including a whole new separate quest (that blows, apparently).  There's also a new S.Link (the chick in the Velvet Room) and about 25 new personae.  And they change the quiz answers in class to make the old strat guide unreliable.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 04, 2009, 06:01:34 PM
No.  P3 FES is the original game with bonus content, including a whole new separate quest (that blows, apparently).  There's also a new S.Link (the chick in the Velvet Room) and about 25 new personae.  And they change the quiz answers in class to make the old strat guide unreliable.

I haven't gotten to "The Answer" (the new separate quest in P3FES) yet, but everything I've read says it's excellent.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 04, 2009, 06:05:43 PM
Everyone I've heard talk about it hasn't liked it.  The new character sucks, annoying VA, it's just a dungeon slog, no socializing, stupid difficult.  I think there was something else about the general mechanics that sounded lame, too, but I forget.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ananus on January 04, 2009, 06:09:55 PM
the answer sucks. even though i liked p3 i couldn't stand it.

also, the good ending path seems to be great in p4. though i haven't gotten to it yet, i was wondering what would be left after the normal ending and read about it. my mind was blown just by knowing a bit of it, though i guess that might be the best part about the good ending itself.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 04, 2009, 06:11:14 PM
I loved the true ending of P4
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 04, 2009, 06:25:33 PM
bebe isn't a real 'mo, he's just TOTALLY GAY
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: y2kev on January 04, 2009, 06:29:41 PM
And as a bonus:

(http://i44.tinypic.com/5luiyd.jpg)

YAY HE IS HOMO CONFIRMED!

how convenient he reveals this while he has you cornered in your room
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 04, 2009, 08:34:49 PM
Chie chan's my girlfriend  :pimp
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 05, 2009, 01:16:40 AM
This game is so good  :'(
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 05, 2009, 04:24:31 PM
I just maxed out Chie and her persona changed into a new one! Holy shit! It has a dual light saber!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on January 05, 2009, 08:30:50 PM
Finally beat Kanji's dungeon, and my Yukiko ranking is going up. Can I bang both Yukiko and the theater one?  :lol

Now that nearly all of my friends have gone back to school and I have another 5 days left, I have nothing but time to finish this.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 05, 2009, 08:36:02 PM
bought this.  but still no ps2.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on January 06, 2009, 01:10:05 AM
It's kind of lame that you have to go through the whole dungeon again to fight the bonus boss... I guess it's a good way to get Kanji up to par, though. Also becoming increasingly frustrated by the linear structure of the day-to-day sim stuff, like how you can't entirely focus on maxing out any one single relationship. Any tips for that?
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 06, 2009, 01:41:43 AM
Even menial tasks take up a whole day, and yeah it is annoying at first. You'll eventually just live with it and once various S.Links and Stats are raised you don't worry about it anymore. Also, New Game+ carries over stats (Courage, Dexterity, Knowledge.. etc) so on the second pass you should be able to max out all S.Links.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 14, 2009, 08:09:06 PM
It seems only me and BlueTsu are the only still mulling around in TV Land. I remember reading comments that after a while it was obvious who the killer was but don't see how it was obvious. I mean I kinda knew before hand but going through the story, it seemed like a honest mystery.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on January 14, 2009, 09:02:11 PM
I have to shelve this for now... Probably won't be able to finish it until summer.  :'(
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ananus on January 14, 2009, 09:52:16 PM
i have yet to get the good ending. i'm on the last dungeon already though, so i think the next time i have the time to play it this weekend, i'll beat it.

also, about the killer
spoiler (click to show/hide)
figuring out who it is is easy, it's just that it's hard to realize what exactly is going on. also, it's somewhat confusing once he has an alibi when one of the victims is kidnapped.

the game really tricks you about the truth though. the normal ending even finishes as if you've actually got everything sorted out. when i accidentally spoiled myself about it, i couldn't believe it. worse of all is that there are hints here and there but they're just hard to see when you don't know about it
[close]
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Third on January 17, 2009, 10:13:12 PM
Finally finished the game.

Compendium at 88%
Me, Kanji, Naoto and Yukari all at lvl 86
Played the game for about 96 hours.

Got the true ending. Loved the game very much. Just thought P3's OST was a bit better IMO. P4 is superior in everything else.

Bring on P5, in 2010.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Lucretius on January 18, 2009, 03:29:48 AM
It seems only me and BlueTsu are the only still mulling around in TV Land. I remember reading comments that after a while it was obvious who the killer was but don't see how it was obvious. I mean I kinda knew before hand but going through the story, it seemed like a honest mystery.

I had no idea who the real killer was until it was revealed.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 04:47:02 PM
Got the good ending last night, and did all the stuff to get into the dungeon for the best ending.  How is the last dungeon?  I think I am around 76.

The killer was easy to call out, but that didn't prevent the game from making the reveal interesting anyway.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 31, 2009, 10:59:28 PM
The last Dungeon is easy if your main character is high leveled (and you've got some good high level persona with Null Skills). I queefed on the boss of the dungeon though. Double attacks in one turn turned me the fug off.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ananus on February 01, 2009, 12:27:26 AM
the last boss is mostly about -kaja and -kunda. you should use matarukaja (teddie/kanji) and rakunda. he'll boost himself, so you also need dekaja (yosuke). you will NEED dekunda to survive at least once or twice, unless you get really lucky. you probably have dekunda items.

boss is immune to zio, so kanji isn't as useful. its attacks can deal lots of damage, so i wouldn't bring people with low hp either. i did use yukiko, but she had an armor that gave her 100 hp.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: MCD on May 22, 2009, 10:52:41 PM
Watch 1 hour of scripted shit? no problem!
help your bro Yosuke? no problem!
rescue Chie? no problem!

and the game just started, with all that school activity and social shit BUT NEVER MIND THAT I'VE GOTTA RESCUE SOME LONELY BITCH CALLED YUKI BEFORE THAT FOGGY SHIT CLEARS DOWN

so after going up 5 fucking ugly floors with no save points I've gotta fight this knight thing boss, I have cleared all the enemies so far so this shit shouldn't be hard, no?

WRONG, FUCKER IS DEALING 100 with every hit and he takes me out when I was THIS FUCKING CLOSE TO DEFEAT HIM.

shit game, should have listened to demi.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: MCD on May 28, 2009, 07:50:03 AM
giving this another chance, still getting owned a lot but at least i saved this time.
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on June 12, 2009, 02:27:45 AM
Fighting the World Balance, how the fuck do I beat this thing? All of my characters are at least ~65, and he keeps nulling makarakarn, which is super fucking annoying. HELP, EB!
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: Vizzys on June 12, 2009, 02:41:38 AM
cant remember much of how i did it

but i googled a vid of a guy who destroyed it with buffs/debuff then mostly physical attacks and his party is under 60
Title: Re: Persona 4 thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on June 12, 2009, 02:53:53 AM
This is probably one of those moments when I should have played the game for serious instead of maxing out my social links with people like Yukiko to get them back to my room, etc. I'll figure it out tomorrow, I guess.