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Title: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 13, 2010, 07:48:59 PM
Game Informer:
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Loose Talk has learned that Enslaved isn’t the only game Ninja Theory is working on-we’ve heard that the Cambridge, England developer is being tapped for the next Devil May Cry.

It is not totally unexpected, however; Capcom has said that although it is shying away from Western developer for new IP, it would continue to utilize them for known franchises, which DMC certainly is.


This sucks, but I want you all to flip out badly over it so I can laugh
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Purple Filth on April 13, 2010, 07:51:12 PM
 :lol

Would be awesome if true, just for the meltdowns alone
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on April 13, 2010, 08:09:11 PM
Eww. Well we have Bayonetta now so whatever.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2010, 08:12:19 PM
Judging by their previous game, it'll be like Dante Of War.  Heavenly Sword, although it had many flaws, is a game that has been unfairly forgotten by Sfags.  Much of the cinematic stuff that they've come to enjoy in games like Uncharted and GOW were copycatted, almost directly, from HS. 
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 13, 2010, 08:25:12 PM
Judging by their previous game, it'll be like Dante Of War.  Heavenly Sword, although it had many flaws, is a game that has been unfairly forgotten by Sfags.  Much of the cinematic stuff that they've come to enjoy in games like Uncharted and GOW were copycatted, almost directly, from HS. 


that's cause SFags just hump the flavor of the month until its a bloody corpse, then forget about it quickly.

though if the demo was anything to go by, it's understandable in this case. 
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: cool breeze on April 13, 2010, 08:33:21 PM
Heavenly Sword was like three or four hours long and the last boss soiled any enjoyment derived from it.  Ignoring the boring Kai sections, it is about three hours or so of so-so action gameplay.

And Smooth Groove, most people that do acknowledge Heavenly Sword do so for the cutscenes since they were well done.

still, DMC4 has a better cutscene than any in Heavenly Sword
[youtube=560,345]K6CQje8Yz6s[/youtube]
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2010, 08:39:54 PM
Actually, I was thinking more of the QTC sequences and the zooming-in and out crap to make it look like a movie (supposedly). 
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: iconoclast on April 13, 2010, 08:44:39 PM
If they just reuse DMC4's combat while adding some new Capcom-approved moves, and design a bunch of new Capcom-approved enemies and stages, then this might be okay. If they just get free reign to do whatever they want, this game will be garbage.

If this rumor is true, of course. And I really hope it's not.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: WrikaWrek on April 13, 2010, 08:44:59 PM
Bad match.

They don't have the skills.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Sho Nuff on April 13, 2010, 09:05:38 PM
Sorry, they should be disqualified for not even hitting 20fps most of the time in HS
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2010, 09:10:18 PM
Sorry, they should be disqualified for not even hitting 20fps most of the time in HS

But it looked like CG!

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u173/train28/db5dee77.jpg?t=1271203841)
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Rman on April 13, 2010, 09:16:54 PM
Demi is despondent at this news.  He loved DMC4.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2010, 09:18:50 PM
Demi is a poser.  He beat DMC4 w/auto mode.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: demi on April 13, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
Fake
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2010, 10:39:31 PM
Heavenly Sword's motion capturing was alright but it had some of the worst voice acting ever.  It shows you how much gaming nerds know about art when so many of them declared Heavenly Sword to be high drama like a Shakespearean play. 
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Ichirou on April 13, 2010, 10:47:20 PM
Pretty sad if true.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 13, 2010, 10:49:24 PM
Nero's gonna play some muthafuckin' twing twang  8)
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Positive Touch on April 13, 2010, 10:50:58 PM
dmc4 sucked balls so even if this game's terrible it won't be too much of a step down
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on April 13, 2010, 11:45:07 PM
Aide from a little repetition, Devil May Cry 4 rocked yo.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Ichirou on April 14, 2010, 12:03:05 AM
This news better be fake.  I mean seriously.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: cool breeze on April 14, 2010, 12:16:14 AM
Aide from a little repetition, Devil May Cry 4 rocked yo.

yeah, they could have kinda avoided that by having two modes.  The first is you playing as Nero the entire time and the second is playing as Dante.  Fighting the same bosses three times in a single player through is a bad choice, almost as bad as making you switch to a completely different character, then switch back at the end.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Robo on April 14, 2010, 12:42:50 AM
You fight the same bosses over and over in the other DMCs as well (is this a Capcom action staple or what?), but iirc, at least in the others there was some variance to the fights each time you re-encountered them, either via new tricks or a new environment (or both).  They're exactly the fucking same every time you fight them in DMC4, the only difference being you're using Dante instead of Nero --and in the endurance battles, no difference at all!
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: cool breeze on April 14, 2010, 12:56:36 AM
It's generally an action game thing where you fight the bosses again and it is true that DMC4 was the worst at it.

I like what Bayonetta does where bosses return as sub-bosses that are much weaker.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
If they just reuse DMC4's combat

lol

no
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 14, 2010, 01:09:45 AM
my playthroughs of DMC4:

Nero chapters -- fuck yea, awesome. rev rev rev
1st Dante chapter -- *disoriented* fuck
Next few Dante chapters -- okay, getting the hang of this...feels sacrilegious that i like nero better though
last Dante chapters -- just the same shit but backwards, fuck, this last statue fight is fucking terrible.
last Nero chapters-- FUCK THIS MOTHERFUCKING SHIT, fucking dice again and bosses for a third time, and an end boss that's a slightly different version of the one boss that wasn't repeated

*months elapse*

oh, think I'll play some DMC4 again. repeat. 

I like it a lot though...only 360 game on demand I own besides Ninja Gaiden Black.

Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: iconoclast on April 14, 2010, 01:55:20 AM
If they just reuse DMC4's combat

lol

no

Nothing wrong with DMC4's combat engine.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 14, 2010, 01:59:21 AM
If they just reuse DMC4's combat

lol

no

Nothing wrong with DMC4's combat engine.

I'd would like a bit more defensive moves but not to the extent of Heavenly Sword.   HS took defense to the extreme.  Many of the big fights near the end consist of nothing but counter-moves.  You literally couldn't do any damage without countering. 
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 04:39:20 AM
jesus christ
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 14, 2010, 04:43:36 AM
Himu, how badass were you at DMC4?  I beat it on the highest difficulty. 
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: maxy on April 14, 2010, 04:47:25 AM
Western devs  :bow
Japanese devs :piss2
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 04:48:58 AM
Himu, how badass were you at DMC4?  I beat it on the highest difficulty. 

Game got boring. Didn't beat it. Found it monotonous and easy.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Ichirou on April 14, 2010, 05:23:32 AM
Himu, how badass were you at DMC4?  I beat it on the highest difficulty. 

Game got boring. Didn't beat it. Found it monotonous and easy.

"I'm a wimp who couldn't make it past the easiest difficulty level, same reason I skipped Bayonetta."

Himurowned.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: brob on April 14, 2010, 09:43:56 AM
DMC has been getting shittier by each iteration (sans 2, which was a clusterfuck).

I dig the first game with capable enemies and a slight horror tint. 3 was fun, but enemies were so shitty, both in design and as a threat, that I can't be bothered with it. 4 had the rev and the demon arm, but suffered from the same bullshit as 3, and more backtracking.

It's all about Bayonetta though, so capcom can do whatever with DMC.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2010, 11:35:16 AM
I still have to play Bayonetta :'( Not being able to map buttons kills me

3 was fun, but enemies were so shitty, both in design and as a threat
3 was easily the hardest unless you played the special (aka for pussies) edition. Dante's devil trigger and grenade gun were OP in 1.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2010, 11:39:52 AM
DMC3 is still the best action game to date imo.  No other game has created fighting so deep that it's essentially like playing a high level fighting game.  Plus the game has like a gazillion boss fights and they are almost all fantastic.  The level design is very compact which meant very little walking or backtracking.  It's just ACTION ACTION ACTION.

DMC4 is a step down, but it's still pretty darn good.  If DMC5 is outsourced, Capcom sucks.

Himu, how badass were you at DMC4?  I beat it on the highest difficulty. 

Game got boring. Didn't beat it. Found it monotonous and easy.

for shame himuro, for shame.

Like Bayonetta, the starting difficulty is easy in DMC4.  You gotta beat that and play it on hard and up where the real game is to enjoy the combat.  Plus Bloody Palace is totally awesome.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:42:18 AM
Nice rationale:

Beat this easy, boring game to get to the good part!

No wonder you thought FF13 was a 8/10 game.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Positive Touch on April 14, 2010, 11:42:47 AM
dmc4's two different characters both had smaller movelists than dmc3 dante, and were way less fun to play as.  by the time i got to the end of each characters' campaign, i was completely sick of using the same small number of combos over and over.  no way in hell i'd ever go back and play through the other difficulties
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:43:51 AM
I still have to play Bayonetta :'( Not being able to map buttons kills me

3 was fun, but enemies were so shitty, both in design and as a threat
3 was easily the hardest unless you played the special (aka for pussies) edition. Dante's devil trigger and grenade gun were OP in 1.

3 was easier than 1.

From Beowulf on, I didn't die once even against the final boss.

And that was the hard mode for the Japanese version? SMH.

Hard mode is almost as easy.

DMD, however...:rock
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:44:20 AM
dmc4's two different characters both had smaller movelists than dmc3 dante, and were way less fun to play as.  by the time i got to the end of each characters' campaign, i was completely sick of using the same small number of combos over and over.  no way in hell i'd ever go back and play through the other difficulties

word
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2010, 11:44:34 AM
Nice rationale:

Beat this easy, boring game to get to the good part!

No wonder you thought FF13 was a 8/10 game.

You liked Bayonetta.

I found Bayonetta easy and kinda boring the first time through, but I didn't GIVE UP.  Instead I got to hard and then the game was OMFGBBQ awesome.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Positive Touch on April 14, 2010, 11:45:02 AM
also FUCK the way all these action games make you play through the game like six times to get to the good difficulties.  have everything unlocked from the start except the special modes like dante must die and heaven or hell.  i don't want to have to play through the game three times with a slightly higher difficulty just to get to that shit
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
dmc4's two different characters both had smaller movelists than dmc3 dante, and were way less fun to play as.  by the time i got to the end of each characters' campaign, i was completely sick of using the same small number of combos over and over.  no way in hell i'd ever go back and play through the other difficulties

Nero >>>>>> Dante

The Devil Arm mechanics were sooo good.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:46:43 AM
Nice rationale:

Beat this easy, boring game to get to the good part!

No wonder you thought FF13 was a 8/10 game.

You liked Bayonetta.

I found Bayonetta easy and kinda boring the first time through, but I didn't GIVE UP.  Instead I got to hard and then the game was OMFGBBQ awesome.

I haven't PLAYED Bayonetta.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:47:38 AM
also FUCK the way all these action games make you play through the game like six times to get to the good difficulties.  have everything unlocked from the start except the special modes like dante must die and heaven or hell.  i don't want to have to play through the game three times with a slightly higher difficulty just to get to that shit

Word.

Also, Nero sucked and devil arm got old. DMC3 Dante for life.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2010, 11:47:51 AM
How can you still call yourself an action game fan?????
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Robo on April 14, 2010, 11:48:28 AM
I still have to play Bayonetta :'( Not being able to map buttons kills me

3 was fun, but enemies were so shitty, both in design and as a threat
3 was easily the hardest unless you played the special (aka for pussies) edition. Dante's devil trigger and grenade gun were OP in 1.

3 was easier than 1.

From Beowulf on, I didn't die once even against the final boss.

And that was the hard mode for the Japanese version? SMH.

Hard mode is almost as easy.

DMD, however...:rock

Himuro is a gaming god.  :bow  I thought DMC3 (original US version) was hard as fuck.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:49:59 AM
How can I call myself an action game fan? Oh, I dunno. I was playing Uncharted 2 at the time of its release and didn't give a shit.

I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

Also, I highly doubt Bayonetta sends the player to do the same tasks and do the same areas and fight the same bosses OVER AND OVER. God, DMC4 sucks.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2010, 11:51:14 AM
How can I call myself an action game fan? Oh, I dunno. I was playing Uncharted 2 at the time of its release and didn't give a shit.

I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

Also, I highly doubt Bayonetta sends the player to do the same tasks and do the same areas and fight the same bosses OVER AND OVER. God, DMC4 sucks.

Ummm...I hate to break it to you....
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:52:07 AM
I still have to play Bayonetta :'( Not being able to map buttons kills me

3 was fun, but enemies were so shitty, both in design and as a threat
3 was easily the hardest unless you played the special (aka for pussies) edition. Dante's devil trigger and grenade gun were OP in 1.

3 was easier than 1.

From Beowulf on, I didn't die once even against the final boss.

And that was the hard mode for the Japanese version? SMH.

Hard mode is almost as easy.

DMD, however...:rock

Himuro is a gaming god.  :bow  I thought DMC3 (original US version) was hard as fuck.

Seriously? You? Aside from Agni and Rudra I thought the bosses weren't that tough, and Agni and Rudra mostly sucked because of the backtracking.

I'm not even a gaming god. DMC3 is just easy. The enemies are non threatening, combos are easily to use and create.

I think playing DMC1 on DMD is what made me think DMC3 was so easy. DMC3 is peanuts compared to DMC1, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:52:34 AM
How can I call myself an action game fan? Oh, I dunno. I was playing Uncharted 2 at the time of its release and didn't give a shit.

I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

Also, I highly doubt Bayonetta sends the player to do the same tasks and do the same areas and fight the same bosses OVER AND OVER. God, DMC4 sucks.

Ummm...I hate to break it to you....

Haha

:bow ME :bow2

:bow TEAM NINJA :bow2
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2010, 11:53:31 AM
Why don't you understand that the reason they make your replay these bosses multiple times is because they are SUPER FUN fights and the core of the game.  

Look at how fun it is in NG to play the mission mode stuff vs. the bosses in the game.  Bosses are the challenge, the focus and the fun of this genre of action game.  Nothing wrong with fighting them multiple times in the story.  

Do people bitch about having to re-fight the bosses in Mega Man games?
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:55:52 AM
MM bosses can be beaten in 10 seconds.

Fighting the same bosses over and over in DMC4 blows.

Rematch fights are fine. DMC1 does rematch fights as well. You fight the lava spider, for instance, like three fucking times. You fight Nelo Angelo like 4 times. There's a boss gauntlet at the end of game, and heck you revisit locations repeatedly. Despite all of this, the game contains more variety than DMC4. Same goes for Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2010, 11:56:14 AM
DMC 1 is easier. Neither really kicked my ass since I'm a boss and all, but DMC 3 was a notch above DMC 1 if only because you couldn't spam grenade roll and Air Raid and Meteor and Inferno over and over and over and over and destroy everything on DMD

edit: 4 did kinda suck after replaying 1 and 3. I think the only thing that saved it was the freshness of Nero (which was pretty awesome) and playing in HD.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 11:58:40 AM
I think DMC1 is harder because the enemies actually want you to die and pursue you. It's not "let's stand here for 30 seconds" that is found in DMC3/4. I found most enemies in those games to be combo fodder.

You guys wanna talk about a hard pure action 3d game?

:bow ps2 Shinobi :bow2
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Robo on April 14, 2010, 11:58:49 AM
I beat DMC1 on DMD also, but I still thought DMC3 was hard as hell.  The regular enemies are cake, but I had to replay every boss at least 5 times before I could progress.  Maybe I just shouldn't have tried to play through it with Royal Guard the first time through.  Couldn't resist the parrying.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2010, 11:59:03 AM
How can I call myself an action game fan? Oh, I dunno. I was playing Uncharted 2 at the time of its release and didn't give a shit.

I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

Also, I highly doubt Bayonetta sends the player to do the same tasks and do the same areas and fight the same bosses OVER AND OVER. God, DMC4 sucks.

Ummm...I hate to break it to you....
Don't act like it's the same exact shit like DMC4, Bebpo.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 12:00:44 PM
I beat DMC1 on DMD also, but I still thought DMC3 was hard as hell.  Maybe I just shouldn't have tried to play through it with Royal Guard the first time through.  Couldn't resist the parrying.

Holy shit, no wonder you had so much trouble. Mastering RG is the best challenge in DMC3. I'll give it that much.

Maybe it depends on the styles we use. I mostly stuck with trickster with a bit of RG thrown in.

Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 14, 2010, 12:01:16 PM
I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

what? why?  sigma 2 is terrible.  you're talking about DMC3 and 4 being too easy and repetitive...Sigma 2 is hands-down the most boring action game between DMC series, NG series, Godhand, and Bayonetta.  
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 12:02:24 PM
I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

what? why?  sigma 2 is terrible.  you're talking about DMC3 and 4 being too easy and repetitive...Sigma 2 is hands-down the most boring action game between DMC series, NG series, Godhand, and Bayonetta.  

No way. NG2 on 360 rocked despite its problems!  :'(
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Robo on April 14, 2010, 12:04:14 PM
I like how you left out God of War. :teehee
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2010, 12:04:39 PM
I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

what? why?  sigma 2 is terrible.  you're talking about DMC3 and 4 being too easy and repetitive...Sigma 2 is hands-down the most boring action game between DMC series, NG series, Godhand, and Bayonetta.  

No way. NG2 on 360 rocked despite its problems!  :'(
I liked it too, but it was unplayable or annoying as fuck on higher difficulties.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
*flying swallow*
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 12:05:35 PM
AHAHAHAHA GOD OF WAR

God of War came out the same month as DMC3. 50 hours of DMC3 playing, I got GoW and like, DMC3 ruined my experience with it. I went in expecting a pure action game, but got an action adventure game that thought it had the depth of a pure action game but didn't.

Ugh.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 14, 2010, 12:07:02 PM
I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

what? why?  sigma 2 is terrible.  you're talking about DMC3 and 4 being too easy and repetitive...Sigma 2 is hands-down the most boring action game between DMC series, NG series, Godhand, and Bayonetta.  

No way. NG2 on 360 rocked despite its problems!  :'(

what the hell does that have to do with Sigma 2...but we can go there too--

NG2 360 is another game that is baby easy on normal.  Limb removal system is completely exploitable and the enemies have no defense.  But you put up with that to get to the harder difficulties, amirite?  

'cause DMC4, despite it's problems, has enemies that attack frequently with varied move sets on Son of Sparda, DMD, and Bloody Palace.  Not sure if there's even a Blitz in normal mode.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Bebpo on April 14, 2010, 12:07:32 PM
How can I call myself an action game fan? Oh, I dunno. I was playing Uncharted 2 at the time of its release and didn't give a shit.

I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

Also, I highly doubt Bayonetta sends the player to do the same tasks and do the same areas and fight the same bosses OVER AND OVER. God, DMC4 sucks.

Ummm...I hate to break it to you....
Don't act like it's the same exact shit like DMC4, Bebpo.

You re-fight the bosses like 3 times each and they re-use the same cafe fountain area over and over.

The repetition in Bayonetta is very similar to DMC3/4. 


I don't mind fighting the bosses over and over in these games so it doesn't bother me.  But it's not like it's DMC specific.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 12:08:43 PM
I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

what? why?  sigma 2 is terrible.  you're talking about DMC3 and 4 being too easy and repetitive...Sigma 2 is hands-down the most boring action game between DMC series, NG series, Godhand, and Bayonetta.  

No way. NG2 on 360 rocked despite its problems!  :'(

what the hell does that have to do with Sigma 2...but we can go there too--

NG2 360 is another game that is baby easy on normal.  Limb removal system is completely exploitable and the enemies have no defense.  But you put up with that to get to the harder difficulties, amirite?  

'cause DMC4, despite it's problems, has enemies that attack frequently with varied move sets on Son of Sparda, DMD, and Bloody Palace.  Not sure if there's even a Blitz in normal mode.

I wouldn't call NG2 normal baby easy. I thought it was way more tough than DMC4 normal. But then, I didn't get to really go through every mode in NG2, although I wanted to. So you definitely have a more informed opinion on that.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2010, 12:09:52 PM
*Scythe UT*

great game
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 12:10:40 PM
*cuts off werewolf arm*

*one hit kill ot*

great game
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 14, 2010, 12:13:47 PM
 

Quote from: Bebpo
You re-fight the bosses like 3-4 times each and they re-use the same cafe fountain area over and over.

The repetition in Bayonetta is very similar to DMC3/4.


No it's not, it's completely remixed.  Even the graphics/music are different each time.  DMC4 has a pretty limited set of enemies.  The game is literally the entire play field with Nero, then that but backwards with Dante, with no new graphics, music, or enemies, shitty dice game part 2 and shitty boss fight with Nero, end.  



Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2010, 12:14:51 PM
How can I call myself an action game fan? Oh, I dunno. I was playing Uncharted 2 at the time of its release and didn't give a shit.

I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

Also, I highly doubt Bayonetta sends the player to do the same tasks and do the same areas and fight the same bosses OVER AND OVER. God, DMC4 sucks.

Ummm...I hate to break it to you....
Don't act like it's the same exact shit like DMC4, Bebpo.

You re-fight the bosses like 3 times each and they re-use the same cafe fountain area over and over.

The repetition in Bayonetta is very similar to DMC3/4. 


I don't mind fighting the bosses over and over in these games so it doesn't bother me.  But it's not like it's DMC specific.

It's not like DMC4. Don't group it with DMC3 and Bay. NOTHING is as repetitive as that game. Same exact areas with maybe some ice added, same exact boss fights.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Robo on April 14, 2010, 12:17:53 PM
The path would be exactly the same as well if not for the warps in the jungle area.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 14, 2010, 12:19:12 PM
I'd rather buy Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 than Bayonetta.

what? why?  sigma 2 is terrible.  you're talking about DMC3 and 4 being too easy and repetitive...Sigma 2 is hands-down the most boring action game between DMC series, NG series, Godhand, and Bayonetta.  

No way. NG2 on 360 rocked despite its problems!  :'(

what the hell does that have to do with Sigma 2...but we can go there too--

NG2 360 is another game that is baby easy on normal.  Limb removal system is completely exploitable and the enemies have no defense.  But you put up with that to get to the harder difficulties, amirite?  

'cause DMC4, despite it's problems, has enemies that attack frequently with varied move sets on Son of Sparda, DMD, and Bloody Palace.  Not sure if there's even a Blitz in normal mode.

I wouldn't call NG2 normal baby easy. I thought it was way more tough than DMC4 normal. But then, I didn't get to really go through every mode in NG2, although I wanted to. So you definitely have a more informed opinion on that.


I wouldn't wish NG2 360s harder modes on my worst enemies, so don't feel bad about that :lol   shit is the spammiest spam that ever spammed
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2010, 12:20:41 PM
True. I understand why people say the first game was better now. NG2's combat is still superior though.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: cool breeze on April 14, 2010, 12:22:51 PM
Thinking back, Ninja Gaiden 2 wasn't too hard when it didn't suck.  When they would spam you with rockets and stuff non-stop it became aggravating to play.  Also because they made you use the bow too much.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: brob on April 14, 2010, 12:28:05 PM


3 was fun, but enemies were so shitty, both in design and as a threat
3 was easily the hardest unless you played the special (aka for pussies) edition. Dante's devil trigger and grenade gun were OP in 1.
Naw, maybe I had it easier since I played too much SF3 and was a boss at Shinobi PS2 tho'. The game was fun and all - especially royal guard, although I didn't like that the timing was looser on regular enemies - but outside of the boss fights there wasn't all that much to do except fuck around with combos.

I never did the grenade roll thing in DMC so maybe I made it harder for myself there, but I was having fun so sod it.  8)

Shinobi had a similar thing where you'd get good enough to keep your blade blazing through an entire level, but the enemies were at least a little challenging until you mastered that.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: iconoclast on April 14, 2010, 12:42:49 PM
If weapon survivals ran at a solid 60 fps in NG2, it would be action game perfection. Even the otherwise broken-beyond-repair scoring system in NG2 works well in survival.

:bow whoever designed that
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Diunx on April 14, 2010, 12:48:45 PM
I think DMC1 is harder because the enemies actually want you to die and pursue you. It's not "let's stand here for 30 seconds" that is found in DMC3/4. I found most enemies in those games to be combo fodder.

You guys wanna talk about a hard pure action 3d game?

:bow ps2 Shinobi :bow2

Shinobi was the first ps2 game I bought and never could kill the damn final boss :lol, have no idea where the game is right now.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: drew on April 14, 2010, 01:59:16 PM
Nothing wrong with DMC4's combat engine.

nothing right about it either
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: brob on April 14, 2010, 02:41:21 PM
you sound angry. Does it hurt when you pee?  :(
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Positive Touch on April 14, 2010, 03:08:40 PM
boo hoo hoo GoW doesn't have a complex battle system like dmc or ng.  it's still a really good series with its own unique strengths so could all the haters please stfu
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2010, 03:14:32 PM
boo hoo hoo GoW doesn't have a complex battle system like dmc or ng.  it's still a really good series with its own unique strengths so could all the haters please stfu
Combat not being one. So don't bring it up in threads about other action games.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Positive Touch on April 14, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
uhh exactly

people always bash it in dmc/ng threads, but the combat doesn't even try to be on par with those games so why even bring it up?
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2010, 03:23:13 PM
*looks over thread*

I assumed a GoW fan brought it up first since that's what usually happens.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Draft on April 14, 2010, 03:24:26 PM
I'm surprised at all the hate DMC4 got after this announcement. That game was great, but I didn't think it was popular enough to rack up GTAIV style backlash.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 14, 2010, 03:26:12 PM
*looks over thread*

I assumed a GoW fan brought it up first since that's what usually happens.

GOW was brought up because Ninja Theory doing DMC would make it into more of a GOW kinda game. 
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2010, 03:28:54 PM
I'm surprised at all the hate DMC4 got after this announcement. That game was great, but I didn't think it was popular enough to rack up GTAIV style backlash.
It's a good game and I really liked it until I had to do the same exact shit all over again with Dante. GTA4 is just a shitty game.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 14, 2010, 03:33:41 PM
uhh exactly

people always bash it in dmc/ng threads, but the combat doesn't even try to be on par with those games so why even bring it up?

usually a GoW fan brings it up.  Reviewers and GoW fans always try to say it's "up there" with DMC, NG, and Bayonetta.

which is weird because GoW doesn't even have a ranking/point system like the others, which is why a lot of people get really into them.

imo, it's not just the difficulty that makes them hardcore, it's also the (sometimes) balanced point/ranking system that makes you want to keep replaying and getting better.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2010, 03:34:41 PM
I'm surprised at all the hate DMC4 got after this announcement. That game was great, but I didn't think it was popular enough to rack up GTAIV style backlash.
It's a good game and I really liked it until I had to do the same exact shit all over again with Dante. GTA4 is just a shitty game.
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Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Robo on April 14, 2010, 04:40:31 PM
I think I brought it up AS A JOKE.  Chill out, ya fuckers.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Rman on April 14, 2010, 05:53:36 PM
EB's getting way too serious of late.  Let it all hang out, duderz.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 14, 2010, 06:05:25 PM
Who the fuck made you a peace maker? 

STFU!
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 14, 2010, 07:10:02 PM
I think I brought it up AS A JOKE.  Chill out, ya fuckers.

yeah, but we all saw through it, you're just trying to assert your love for GoW, thus making it not a joke and actually quite serious given the ramifications of this discussion.  Nihon superiority in the stylish harducoru action genre must never be tampered with.   
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Rman on April 14, 2010, 07:15:08 PM
Who the fuck made you a peace maker? 

STFU!
I love too much, Smooth. No worries, bro.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Robo on April 14, 2010, 07:15:15 PM
MASH ¨ TO WIN THE THREAD
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
MASH ¨ TO WIN THE THREAD

Sounds like a God of War game.

Do it for the circle button, though. You forgot about qte.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Robo on April 14, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
it's actually DMC5  :shh
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 07:20:57 PM
Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 14, 2010, 07:29:43 PM
Not angrier than Kratos,  'cause he's FURIOUS! GRAAAAAAAAH!
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Himu on April 14, 2010, 07:30:27 PM
Kratos will rape your eye socket with his chalk colored dick
Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 14, 2010, 09:28:42 PM
whatever, japanese games are just about big boobs, it's about time we got games with big dicks.  I'm sick of all this androgynous and effeminate male japanese shit, I want some of that raging man meat!  OH YEAH LOOK AT THOSE SCREENS OF GOW 3 THEY'RE GIVING ME SUCH A HARD ON I'M TOTALLY CUMMING ALL OVER YEAH ALL OVER MY CHEST YEAH BETTAR THAN UNCHARTED 2 GRAPHICS

oh wait, that wasn't supposed to sound gay or anything, just really masculine and manly. 

Title: Re: Rumor: DMC's pure japanese blood to be polluted with gaijin dev Ninja Theory
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 14, 2010, 09:38:01 PM
Me Kratos am so angry that I will stab myself!

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