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Title: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 10:52:23 AM
:bow Fringe :bow2

[youtube=560,345]sn1g7ZeIS8M[/youtube]

Lost still sucks.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 19, 2010, 10:55:20 AM
Holy shit at Action Hero Nimoy :lol :hyper And no doubt Fringe > LOST

Alt Olivia is so fucking cute :heart
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:00:46 AM
I'm still on the fence about whether or not Nimoy is evil. The show hasn't given any indication on why the other Fringe team was at the park, unless they were tipped off.

What I loved about this finale is that Walter basically assembled the X-Men to crossover, and how the writers have been able to juggle two sets of characters without making one side good and one side evil. You can totally justify the other world's actions; in fact, everything has been our side's fault so far. :lol

EDIT: Blue, who would you bang - blonde Olivia or red hair Olivia? The red haired Olivia seems like she's cockier, probably better in bed too.
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 19, 2010, 11:03:42 AM
is this the third season?

i havent watched at all so i'll probs just catch up later
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:05:34 AM
Second season. Has it even been renewed? I wonder if this is the series finale.
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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 19, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
I'm still on the fence about whether or not Nimoy is evil. The show hasn't given any indication on why the other Fringe team was at the park, unless they were tipped off.

What I loved about this finale is that Walter basically assembled the X-Men to crossover, and how the writers have been able to juggle two sets of characters without making one side good and one side evil. You can totally justify the other world's actions; in fact, everything has been our side's fault so far. :lol

EDIT: Blue, who would you bang - blonde Olivia or red hair Olivia? The red haired Olivia seems like she's cockier, probably better in bed too.

Definitely Ginger Olivia. Blonde Olivia comes off as extremely dense (well, any scenarios that isn't about mutated killers), hate that shit.

On another note, I love that piece of Alt Dimension propaganda (with the machine and Peter's face which is spewing fire from his eyes). Its so creepy.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:13:07 AM
Did you catch the bus stop poster for new season of alterna-universe's The West Wing? I wonder if that's some kind of inside joke with the writing staff. :lol
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:25:09 AM
Also, what's the deal with alterna-Charlie's "condition"? I hope they're going to let us see what happens after all this build-up. :lol
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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 19, 2010, 11:28:16 AM
Did you catch the bus stop poster for new season of alterna-universe's The West Wing? I wonder if that's some kind of inside joke with the writing staff. :lol

I missed that (and I remember the Bus scene too) Gotta rewatch it.

Also, what's the deal with alterna-Charlie's "condition"? I hope they're going to let us see what happens after all this build-up. :lol

What was he calling it, "arachnids"? It seems like they were using it as a way to make the alt universe weirder but it would be awesome of they revealed what the hell it is.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:30:39 AM
I kind of hope he vomits spiders or something bizarre like that.

... Yeah, there was a poster for The West Wing that read something like, "RE-ELECTED FOR A NEW SEASON!" :lol
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Post by: Diunx on May 19, 2010, 11:41:37 AM
The only good thing that J.J. Abrams has done in his life.

:bow Fringe :bow2
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 19, 2010, 11:42:15 AM
:bow Science-fiction :bow2

:piss Spirituality :piss2
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:44:25 AM
I agree with all three of the posts above me. :lol
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 19, 2010, 11:47:58 AM
I've been watching it off and on, not nearly as much as I know I should. Keep forgetting when it comes on.  :-\

And yet I watch every episode of Lost like clockwork.  :-\ :-\
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:48:03 AM
I think you'd like it. It's like The X-Files meets Dr. Who, a very cool blend. The caveat is that the first half of the first season is a bit of a chore; the show didn't find its identity until the second half (I think you might be able to find a thread from years ago where I was pretty much ready to dump the show five episodes in). And then it's off to the races.

It follows The X-Files in season structure, with main storyline mythos dispersed between "monster of the week" episodes. I like it quite a bit. I thought the episode two weeks back, "Northwest Passage", was a very genuine and heartfelt tip of the cap to Chris Carter.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Nothing from Lost has topped the last shot from Fringe's season finale last year. So good. Don't watch it if you hate spoilers:

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[youtube=560,345]p_go1SU1oJ0[/youtube]
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Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 19, 2010, 12:04:01 PM
you have piqued my interest in your championing of this television series

alas, it is not available via netflix streaming

i know where it is available, though :teehee
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 19, 2010, 12:29:26 PM
I couldn't watch this season cuz the comedy shows and Supernatural all came on at the same time. Had to give up one. Looking forward to the season coming out.

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Post by: ManaByte on May 19, 2010, 12:36:41 PM
Everyone in this thread must buy the Season 1 BluRay as it's ONLY $25.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 19, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
Everyone in this thread must buy the Season 1 BluRay as it's ONLY $25.

Where?
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: ManaByte on May 19, 2010, 01:33:15 PM
Well, it was. Got it at Walmart for $25 a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 19, 2010, 01:35:04 PM
Well, it was. Got it at Walmart for $25 a couple weeks ago.

Oh. I checked Amazon and saw that it was $40. I don't shop at Walmart, so that's out of the question.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: Yeti on May 19, 2010, 07:04:16 PM
I got my season one blu ray on amazon for $20 around when it first came out, if you're patient it will probably drop price again.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: bachikarn on May 19, 2010, 07:26:25 PM
Nothing from Lost has topped the last shot from Fringe's season finale last year. So good. Don't watch it if you hate spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]p_go1SU1oJ0[/youtube]
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Really? I had no drive to watch an episode this season because of that distinguished mentally-challenged cliff hanger. It was like exactly like the end of season 1 in lost when you see the hatch just leads to a giant hole.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: ManaByte on May 19, 2010, 07:54:03 PM
The Walternate universe is pretty cool.

Eric Stoltz starred in Back to the Future there.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 08:40:10 PM
Really? I had no drive to watch an episode this season because of that distinguished mentally-challenged cliff hanger. It was like exactly like the end of season 1 in lost when you see the hatch just leads to a giant hole.

Guh? It was pretty awesome, and the show is better for it. Unlike Lost, I've never felt the writers were, pardon the pun, lost. If this was a Lost production, we'd find out about Peter's origins sometime in Season 4... after it had been dragged out forever.

I thought it was funny that MLK is on the $20 bill in the alternate universe. :lol
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Post by: ManaByte on May 19, 2010, 08:52:07 PM
And Nixon on the half dollar.

"Who's Jefferson?"

That who's Jefferson comment makes even more sense when you know that the map of the US in Walternate's office lists Louisiana as "Louisiana Territory". 
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 08:55:50 PM
Yeah. By the way, the shot from the cold open, where the camera moves through the sun roof and then pulls out to reveal the alternate universe skyline (with zeppelins!) - and the accompanying Michael Giacchino score - was totally awesome.

I do wish the Walter Bishop school of X-Men wasn't so short-lived. :'(
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: Diunx on May 19, 2010, 09:20:31 PM
Did you guys notice the "first people" during the alternate opening last week? apparently thats going to be a future plot line.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 19, 2010, 09:35:58 PM
Nothing from Lost has topped the last shot from Fringe's season finale last year. So good. Don't watch it if you hate spoilers:

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[youtube=560,345]p_go1SU1oJ0[/youtube]
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Really? I had no drive to watch an episode this season because of that distinguished mentally-challenged cliff hanger. It was like exactly like the end of season 1 in lost when you see the hatch just leads to a giant hole.
Haven't seen S1 of Fringe since it aired, but
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I don't think the whole alternate universe thing really materialized until the last few episodes of the season. In LOST they were jacking us off with the hatch for literally over half of the season
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edit: Sorry about the untagged spoiler
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: ManaByte on May 19, 2010, 09:48:04 PM
I want a MP3 of the 1985 alternate opening theme.
Title: Re: J.J. ABRAMS REDEEMED! EVERYTHING SETUP PERFECTLY! FINALE SOUNDS AMAZING!
Post by: bachikarn on May 19, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
Nothing from Lost has topped the last shot from Fringe's season finale last year. So good. Don't watch it if you hate spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]p_go1SU1oJ0[/youtube]
[close]


Really? I had no drive to watch an episode this season because of that distinguished mentally-challenged cliff hanger. It was like exactly like the end of season 1 in lost when you see the hatch just leads to a giant hole.
Haven't seen S1 of Fringe since it aired, but I don't think the whole alternate universe thing really materialized until the last few episodes of the season. In LOST they were jacking us off with the hatch for literally over half of the season

I thought they brought that stuff up mid-season. I remember them hyping up the meeting with Lenard Nemoy's character, and the final scene was just him saying hi.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers
Post by: chronovore on May 20, 2010, 12:15:57 PM
I'm up to s.2, ep. 19 so I'm just commenting to bookmark. ALL YOUR SPOILERS, they are like LANDMINES to me. And we know how Princess Diana felt about landmines.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: Bloodwake on May 20, 2010, 01:39:40 PM
Has Abrams EVER been the showrunner on Lost other than the first season? Even then?

The answer: NO. He was Executive Producer, but he pretty much didn't do too much with Lost other than help pen an episode in Season 3

It's pretty much been Lindelof since Abrams brought him on, and then Cuse starting with the second season. I don't really think he should be considered as the man behind this finale coming up.

Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2010, 02:27:32 PM
Has Abrams EVER been the showrunner on Lost other than the first season? Even then?

The answer: NO. He was Executive Producer, but he pretty much didn't do too much with Lost other than help pen an episode in Season 3

Quote
Unhappy with the result and a subsequent rewrite, Braun contacted J. J. Abrams, who had a deal with Touchstone Television (now ABC Studios), and was also the creator of the TV series Alias, to write a new pilot script. Although initially hesitant, Abrams warmed up to the idea on the condition that the series would have a supernatural angle to it, and collaborated with Damon Lindelof to create the series' style and characters. Together, Abrams and Lindelof also created a series "bible", and conceived and detailed the major mythological ideas and plot points for an ideal four to five season run for the show.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 20, 2010, 11:24:41 PM
WALTERNATE, YOU DICK!!!
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 20, 2010, 11:33:02 PM
P.S. Finale was awesome, wait until Fall will be painful.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: ManaByte on May 21, 2010, 01:58:34 AM
Spock :(
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 21, 2010, 09:15:07 AM
Awesome swan song for Nimoy now that he's retired. I really liked him in this episode and the exchanges between Walter were pretty good. Walternate is definitely one cold blooded motherfucka.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 10:07:16 AM
Yeah, it's a shame Nimoy is retired. He and Noble had pretty good chemistry together. I love how Noble can make every exchange pretty humorous, even with such a dense episode ("They have such fabulous drugs here!"). The bit about how he discovered all the secret herbs and spices killed me. :lol
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
This shot, and the camera work that followed, is still my favorite part of both episodes:

(http://media.avclub.com/images/articles/article/41392/Episode222_jpeg_595x325_crop_upscale_q85.jpg)
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 21, 2010, 11:13:01 AM
Bleh plot twist.

But i don't where they couldve gone anyway.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 11:45:37 AM
It was predictable, but pretty well done. I liked it a lot, sets up a lot of interesting possibilities for next season. And I've really dug the groundwork the writing staff has put down.

EDIT: I think that the Fringe team is going to start to track down the rest of the Cortexifan kids, and start a school of X-Men!
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Post by: BlueTsunami on May 21, 2010, 12:27:28 PM
Didn't even really feel like a twist. I definitely would have rolled my eyes if some Nolan'esque trailer music up swelled as the camera panned from Walternate to Olivia in the cell.

Though I have a feeling this situation may go on for a few episodes? next season. Unless they plan on having Gingivia really take on the role and does some Monster of the Week stuff :lol
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 01:13:23 PM
I think it will be somewhat resolved by the mid-season finale.

I'd love for the Fringe team to figure things out and use Sam Weiss: Bowling Alley Guru to train the rest of Cortexies and launch a rescue mission for Olivia. Or if Olivia discovers how to use her abilities, and "Arachnids" Charlie helps her launch an insurrection! Parallel universe civil war!
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: ManaByte on May 21, 2010, 01:15:52 PM
Yeah, it's a shame Nimoy is retired. He and Noble had pretty good chemistry together. I love how Noble can make every exchange pretty humorous, even with such a dense episode ("They have such fabulous drugs here!"). The bit about how he discovered all the secret herbs and spices killed me. :lol

Anything with Walter and food is always :rofl

The bit with the chili last season, the milkshake, now KFC.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 21, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
Its funny, Lost hyped things up with the whole "War is Coming" but I guess they were just inadvertently advertising for Fringe :smug
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 01:18:13 PM
O SNAP. :lol

I like how they are still hyping war on Lost, but the island is down to like ten people that are still alive. That's not war. I don't even think that qualifies as a battle. Maybe more like a skirmish or a tussle. Hype that, ABC.

"A SKIRMISH IS COMING!"
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 21, 2010, 03:02:47 PM
Finally got all caught up. I can't believe how good this show has gotten. Probably more goodness in the last few episodes than there has been in the last two seasons of Lost
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: Diunx on May 21, 2010, 04:05:57 PM
The comic book covers :rofl
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 21, 2010, 06:57:27 PM
Spoilers I guess (for those who haven't caught up and watched the S2 finale)...

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Quote from: MrDenny
A DEMON'S TWIST RUSTY = DON'T TRUST SAM WEISS

(http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz6/DennyGT/SamWeiss.png)
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Original post here (dont' click for spoilers)...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21400402&postcount=2362
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 21, 2010, 07:22:53 PM
I don't get it.

Why does it = that
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 07:25:29 PM
But I like Sam Weiss. :(
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 21, 2010, 07:44:15 PM
I don't get it.

Why does it = that

Whoever decoded it approached the words as an anagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anagram)
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 21, 2010, 07:46:05 PM
But I like Sam Weiss. :(

It's written in the alternate world. Which means he is a danger for them, not "us".


I don't get it.

Why does it = that

Whoever decoded it approached the words as an anagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anagram)

There be some braniacs out there
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 07:51:38 PM
Sorry, but comics suck in the alternate world. :lol

(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/05/superman-mosr-no-text_cvr12.jpg)
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 07:53:03 PM
Also, Broyles mentioned that Massive Dynamic had tracked down five Cortexifan subjects and began to re-purpose their abilities, but we saw only three. Who are the other two? :hyper
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: Diunx on May 22, 2010, 01:38:09 AM
Why is every one talking about Weiss I don't remnber he being mentioned on this episdode.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers
Post by: chronovore on May 22, 2010, 11:25:47 AM
Just finished the episode. So good.

Anna Torv is really something else. She's bound for bigger things. I worry about Season 5 and 6 of this being disrupted as hollywood lures her away to larger paychecks. Her depiction of Dunham is always impressive, but taking the character such a subtly different direction and still have it so believable and consistent. Same for Noble; he's had so many variants on Walter, it's hard to know where to start praising him.

I give it one episode before they figure it out, because of the scene with our Olivia and Peter. The other side's Olivia is just not smart enough to keep up the charade and Peter is smart enough to (a) figure it out and (b) not clue in Other Olivia.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 22, 2010, 11:54:26 AM
I don't think so. Altlivia had some clue that Peter and Olivia had the hots for one another, she actually asks Olivia that directly ("Are you guys a couple?"). I don't think Peter's affections will be a surprise for her. Although, someone did point out that Altlivia's speech patterns are different; she regularly drops "g" from pronunciation (lookin' instead of looking) and is not as precise as Olivia (lots of "uh" and "um" inserted into her dialogue). Maybe Peter will pick up on that.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 22, 2010, 12:12:18 PM
Someone pointed out that the opera house used in this episode is the same one that was seen in those BSG dream sequences. That's pretty neat
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers
Post by: chronovore on May 22, 2010, 12:50:19 PM
Altlivia walks differently, too. When she approaches the group at the opera house, it's really clear. Her speech patterns, yeah, they're different, but she also is missing a kind of reserve that Olivia always displays. It's entirely likely they won't have Peter make the connection; it will likely be Olivia's niece and maybe no-one will believe her. It may last two episodes, but probably one -- I'm expecting a two-hour season premiere as well.

The only real issues I had with it were technical, but in a series about cartoon physics, it's hard to worry about logic a whole lot:
Bell says they were monitoring all communication, best not to use a cell, because the monitoring is probably how they knew about the meeting in the park. But while the more totalitarian America in the alternate universe may be monitoring cells, what would that have to do with Nina's weird, one-way email communication? And if they knew Bell was involved with a meeting at the park, why not arrest him at the hospital. Actually, I guess the notification about the park need not implicitly involve Bell, just that an email from the other side specified a meeting in the park.

Olivia's awareness of this parallel world, being in synch with it, sometimes being able to phase into it, have come only accidentally or with guidance from Walter. She was supposedly able to open the door only with the help of the other Cortexapham babies, but instead the plan became "open a crack and set up a doorstop." How does Altlivia open the crack? How does she even know what she's supposed to do on that opera house stage?
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 22, 2010, 02:46:17 PM
Olivia wasn't supposed to open a crack, the crack was already there. That's why they chose the opera house, or else they would have just done it anywhere with Olivia.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: Diunx on May 22, 2010, 03:15:45 PM
Yeah, the crack was there from when Walter's x-men first went to that universe.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers
Post by: chronovore on May 22, 2010, 08:52:28 PM
Bitchin'. I am always happy to have my suspension of disbelief reinforced.

I thought the "matching tattoos with her boyfriend" means of displaying Altlivia was heavy handed.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 22, 2010, 08:58:09 PM
You think that, but then stupid people would go, "I DON'T GET IT HOW DID OLIVIA BECOME A BAD GUY" without it. It sucks, but sometimes you can't be as subtle as you want when you're marketing a product for the masses.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: Yeti on May 22, 2010, 09:42:57 PM
Was her boyfriend someone I was supposed to recognize or just some random schmuck?

Same question for the alternate Fringe leader guy who got fried by pyro girl.
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Post by: chronovore on May 22, 2010, 11:08:06 PM
No, but what was interesting is that Alternate Team Leader recognized either the pyro girl or empathy lad. He looked confused and said, "Lee?" or "Leigh?" and hesitated before firing. He'll be back, I'm guessing. He may even turn to our side, since he'll realize that the Secretary is withholding information (there is more than one of everything (Except Peter)) that nearly cost him his life due to hesitation.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers!)
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 23, 2010, 12:00:27 AM
He recognized Nick Lane, who was a reoccurring character from Season One. Prior to Olivia and James Heath (the guy healing the bunny, who was giving people cancer earlier in the season), he was one of few people that survived the Cortexifan trials. Like Heath, the show left him in a drug-induced coma at the end of the episode.

So yeah, there's a Nick Lane in the alternate universe, but I don't think it'll do Olivia much good since Walternate never did the Cortexifan trials since he neved hooked up with William Bell. I think it was meant to create a way to connect a few of the alternate Fringe officers to Olivia, and see if she can turn a few alternate universe folks in hopes of busting her out (anyone doubt that Charlie might be a good guy?).

I think what might end up saving our universe are the surviving Cortexifan subjects, oddly enough the result of Walter Bishop's most barbaric work. It's one of the few scientific instruments we have up on the other universe.
Title: Re: The only J.J. Abrams' televised finale worth discussing: FRINGE!!! (Spoilers
Post by: chronovore on May 23, 2010, 12:41:53 AM
Yeah, I recall Olivia's pair partner, which is why he was able to project to her. I also remembered about the drug-induced coma; thought it was interesting that they were able to basically trot them out and train them up without really telling anyone what was going on. I mean, I'd have actually assumed a lot darker stuff, if the last thing I heard from Broyles is that they're out of the picture, and now I hear that they've long-since recovered and have been trained up. Then again, Broyles is the king of "need to know" information dissemination.

As Bell says, Walter asked for parts of his brain to be removed because he was afraid of becoming something bad. Presumably that is what Walternate is, since he is in a position of unassailable power, remarkably intelligent, and because of no Bell influence, assumes himself without peer. He is untethered by morality, and very likely feels justifying destruction of our entire world because someone was able to come over to his world and steal his son.

It dawns on me that I'm really looking forward to seeing the Walter and Walternate conversation at some point.
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Post by: chronovore on May 25, 2010, 04:51:39 AM
I was hoping to read more wild speculation regarding the Fringe finale, so I visited the wikia site to see if there were any more recent notes or trivia about the other side. The wikia site was surprisingly undernourished, but there was a funny note about the "Brown Betty" episode where Walter tells the detective story to Olivia's niece.

I'd already made the connection between The Observers and Marvel's "The Watcher" character. They're both weird, aloof, big-bald-headed characters which observe and are forbidden from interfering -- and just as frequently fail to stay on the sidelines. What I finally realized is that the whole premise for the alternate universe is also a big "What If..." scenario, the comic book series where The Watcher almost exclusively made his appearances.

I know JJ Abrams is a big geek, but I'd not known the show creators were big comic geeks until the framed comics showed up on the wall in the season finale. What's funny is I hate the "What If..." comics line, but love Fringe.